[00:01:13] <ssarangi123>	Skizzerz: yeah I could move it. Now a text shows up saying 'redirected from main page'. Anyway to remove that. I guess clicking on mainpage now just redirects it to the new page i created (or the one to which I moved)
[00:01:30] <^demon>	Is your Wiki on a public URL?
[00:01:37] <Skizzerz>	editing MediaWiki:Mainpage will change the links to point to the right spot >_>
[00:01:55] <ssarangi123>	^demon: No i have it on my local m/c
[00:02:36] <^demon>	And editing MediaWiki:Mainpage-description changes what it says in the link :-)
[00:02:37] <ssarangi123>	Skizzerz: yeah its changing the links to redirect to the new page but is there any way to make this page as the default start page rather than being redirected to it
[00:02:52] <^demon>	Changing MediaWiki:Mainpage should do it.
[00:02:59] <Skizzerz>	that's what we're trying to tell you
[00:03:17] <Splarka>	might be memcache, web cache, browser cache, or message cache interfering
[00:03:39] <Skizzerz>	ah, didn't think of that :P
[00:03:43] <ssarangi123>	I guess am doing something wrong.. :(
[00:04:48] <^demon>	Are you using any form of caching?
[00:05:04] <ssarangi123>	no, i disabled the caching
[00:05:09] <^demon>	Hmmm.
[00:05:17] <^demon>	What URL are you pointing to in your browser?
[00:05:20] <^demon>	localhost/something?
[00:05:32] <Splarka>	maybe try a action=purge to MediaWiki:Mainpage 
[00:05:51] <^demon>	I was going to say action=purge on the index.php with no title param.
[00:06:34] <Splarka>	any edit nor null edit to the MW: namespace should refresh message cache, and as of 1.12 or 1.13 a purge too
[00:07:07] <Splarka>	but randomly sometimes it doesn't happen, with some messages, some users, or some user groups
[00:07:16] <^demon>	For reasons unknown (tm)
[00:08:09] <Splarka>	ssarangi123: what is the content of your interface page titled [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]] ?
[00:09:11] <[1]ssarangi123>	Splarka: yes. its titled that
[00:09:34] <Splarka>	yes, but what is the content? if you click 'edit'
[00:09:51] <Splarka>	what is in the <textarea>
[00:10:35] <[1]ssarangi123>	Splarka: the text area initially had the default text of 'successful installation of mediawiki' which i deleted
[00:10:45] <Splarka>	no
[00:10:49] <Splarka>	not on [[Main_Page]]
[00:10:56] <Splarka>	in [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]]
[00:11:09] <Splarka>	it should be one line, no line returns, pointing to the title of your main page
[00:11:14] <Splarka>	default is:  Main Page
[00:11:21] <[1]ssarangi123>	thats empty. No text.
[00:11:30] <Splarka>	well, it has to have something
[00:12:21] <Splarka>	well, okay, what do you want your main page to be called?
[00:12:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Edit" link not working as expected - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13287  (10innocentkiller)
[00:12:55] <[1]ssarangi123>	Splarka: No it just doesn't have any text on that page. Editing it just says Editing MediaWiki:MainPage
[00:13:10] <[1]ssarangi123>	Splarka: wanted it to be a title called "TriSpatics"
[00:13:12] <Splarka>	right, so put the title of your main page there
[00:13:17] <^demon>	And nothing's in the box? Type what you want your main page to be called and save it.
[00:13:51] <Splarka>	and your logo should then point to that (as well as Mainpage in the sidebar, and the default page shown if no title is given)
[00:14:14] <[1]ssarangi123>	typing the title i want in the text box just adds another Heading below the title "MediaWiki:Mainpage"
[00:14:38] <Splarka>	no equals signs
[00:14:51] <Splarka>	TriSpatics
[00:14:56] <Splarka>	just that, only that
[00:15:51] <[1]ssarangi123>	yups, Just that also didn't work. Guess I am doing something wrong. I think i will just setup the wiki on sourceforge and then show you so that its easier to see where i am going wrong.. sorry for the confusion am creating
[00:15:58] <Splarka>	define "didn't work"
[00:16:05] <Splarka>	what does your logo link to?
[00:16:28] <[1]ssarangi123>	Its still links to Main_Page
[00:16:47] <Splarka>	right click your logo, copy link location, and paste it here 
[00:16:52] <Splarka>	we can't access it, but it will give us some idea
[00:17:13] <[1]ssarangi123>	http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
[00:17:52] <Splarka>	okay go to http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php/MediaWiki:Mainpage and right-click 'edit' and 'copy link location'
[00:18:07] <Splarka>	(paste it here, need your ugly URL scheme)
[00:18:57] <[1]ssarangi123>	http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Mainpage&action=edit
[00:19:12] <Splarka>	http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Mainpage&action=raw&ctype=text/css
[00:19:16] <Splarka>	what does that give?
[00:19:49] <[1]ssarangi123>	It gives /* Empty *.
[00:19:51] <[1]ssarangi123>	It gives /* Empty */
[00:20:05] <Splarka>	right, so there is nothing there
[00:20:16] <Splarka>	but action=edit gives "TriSpatics" ?
[00:21:23] <[1]ssarangi123>	Splarka, didn't understand the question.
[00:21:38] <Splarka>	http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Mainpage&action=edit
[00:21:43] <[1]ssarangi123>	action=edit gives me a page giving "Editing MediaWiki:Mainpage"
[00:21:48] <Splarka>	right
[00:21:53] <Splarka>	what is in the big text box?
[00:22:22] <[1]ssarangi123>	Empty as of now
[00:22:46] <Splarka>	add "TriSpatics" without quotes
[00:22:53] <^demon>	And press ave.
[00:22:54] <^demon>	*save
[00:23:28] <ssarangi123>	It just showed TriSpatics as a heading below MediaWiki:MainPage
[00:23:39] <Splarka>	right
[00:23:44] <^demon>	That's the content of the page.
[00:23:45] <Splarka>	now what does your logo link to?
[00:24:12] <ssarangi123>	Yeah, Now the logo links to a page called TriSpatics
[00:24:20] <Splarka>	fixed
[00:24:30] <Splarka>	try http://localhost/mediawiki/index.php
[00:24:55] <ssarangi123>	Yessssss, it brought up the title as TriSpatics
[00:25:02] <Splarka>	the MediaWiki: namespace are treated as regular pages when editing (except for auto-protection)
[00:25:07] <Splarka>	but once edited, they control the interface
[00:25:45] <ssarangi123>	aah ok... I thought when i added the text to the mainpage and saw the preview it used to turn in as a small heading.
[00:26:08] <Niluge_KiWi>	Splarka: I think my goal to use api could not be reached easily: the api doesnt seems to trigger hooks (especially the one for autologin...)
[00:26:09] <ssarangi123>	wow. that was a lot of help from all of you... thanks a lot. I had been trying this from a long time
[00:26:29] <Splarka>	rar
[00:26:59] <Splarka>	Niluge: well, in theory, you could have the CMS log in and edit.. but that'd be dirty too
[00:27:08] <^demon>	Niludge_KiWi: Which hooks, specifically?
[00:27:43] <Niluge_KiWi>	^demon: autoauthentificate
[00:27:48] <ssarangi123>	had just one more question. does sourceforge support only 1.6.10 version of mediawiki
[00:28:09] <^demon>	ssarangi123: You mean which versions you can download?
[00:28:23] <Niluge_KiWi>	(i'm still on the 1.12.0 so no need of the new hook loadfromsession)
[00:28:28] <^demon>	Visit http://mediawiki.org for all the bug fixes and updates now :-)
[00:28:49] <schnittchen>	is there a way to use templates for creating a variable (row) size table without parser extensions?
[00:28:53] <ssarangi123>	^demon: the link http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Sourceforge.net explains with version 1.6.10 for using with sourceforge
[00:29:18] <ssarangi123>	on my local m/c i got the latest one.. was wondering which version i can use with sourceforge
[00:30:57] <^demon>	ssarangi123: Dunno. It might. Docs might also be terribly out of date.
[00:31:36] <ssarangi123>	ohh ok.. cool. Then I will try the new one itself
[00:32:13] <^demon>	Jhs: Ping
[00:32:23] <Jhs>	pong
[00:32:46] <^demon>	I was looking at your sharedupload messages bugs.
[00:33:08] <Jhs>	yeah. do they make sense?
[00:34:51] <^demon>	14981 does for sure. Having a parameter for the name that can be passed would be helpful.
[00:39:22] <^demon>	Jhs: That area is a mess. 4 messages for 1 small area.
[00:39:26] <^demon>	Two should suffice.
[00:39:41] <Jhs>	yeah, i absolutely agree
[00:40:06] <Jhs>	it's been annoying me since the last one was added (shareduploadwiki)
[00:40:22] <^demon>	It would make more sense to have 2 longer messages than 4 short ones.
[00:42:12] <^demon>	The if ( $descUrl ) useless. I can't see any reason why you _wouldnt_ have a description URL...
[00:44:21] <^demon>	I could be very wrong, but it seems odd.
[00:44:23] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38405 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/maintenance/ (reviewAllPages.inc updateLinks.inc): Update due to function changes
[00:45:29] <^demon>	Not to mention, there _seems_ to be some redundant calls to $this->loadFile() scattered about.
[00:48:29] <^demon>	Jhs: ImagePage sucks and seems much less efficient than it could be.
[00:48:56] <Jhs>	probably, yeah
[01:04:37] <CIA-55>	03jhsoby * r38406 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Adding messages for new global group 'sysadmin'. Brion, Tim, Kate and JeLuF are all in it from the beginning.
[01:06:48] <CIA-55>	03jhsoby * r38407 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Linker.php: Gah, committed Linker.php by mistake. Reverting.
[01:06:58] *Splarka 	snickers
[01:07:39] <Splarka>	pretty soon svn will need a cluebot
[01:08:16] <Jhs->	cluebot, why?
[01:08:17] <Charitwo>	it does, it's called brionbot
[01:08:23] <Jhs->	:D
[01:08:35] <Splarka>	a brion-AI, not even brion can 24/7
[01:08:45] <Splarka>	(not until we put his brain in a jar anyway)
[01:10:11] <Charitwo>	Splarka: they already took off a chunk in the back and attached it to a terminal in the colo
[01:10:56] <Splarka>	well, in the last two days:
[01:10:59] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=38213
[01:11:01] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=38238
[01:11:04] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=38274
[01:11:27] <Charitwo>	everytime someone makes a bad commit, brion magically grows another gray hair
[01:11:43] <Splarka>	those were all self-reverts or self-immediate-fixes by demon
[01:11:44] <Jhs->	i''m glad i'm not the only one doing it
[01:11:53] <Splarka>	mmm
[01:11:59] <Splarka>	Charitwo: ever read Trigun?
[01:12:14] <Charitwo>	nope, i just have a bad sense of humor
[01:13:35] <^demon>	Splarka: Why did you pick me out specifically?
[01:13:41] <^demon>	This has been a bad week for me it seems...
[01:13:49] <Splarka>	-> As a meter of spent energy a plant's hair color gradually darkens as their internal power is spent until reaching a final color of black when fully depleted. To illustrate the power of the Angel Arm, Vash's hair began to darken after the second time he fires it, using enough energy to blast a hole in the moon. [] ... though his hair continues to grow darker until almost completely black.
[01:14:13] <^demon>	Splarka: Do you keep a tally of all my bad commits? I already am convinced Nikerabbit stalks my commits. I believe the two of you are out to get me.
[01:14:16] *Splarka 	gives ^demon a cookie
[01:14:31] <Charitwo>	!cookie | ^demon 
[01:14:31] --mwbot--	^demon: I don't know anything about "cookie".
[01:14:36] <Charitwo>	:(
[01:14:39] <Splarka>	^demon: actually I just remembered the one, so I grepped the logs of the last 2 days for any pairs of commits and found those 3!
[01:14:50] <Charitwo>	i'd make an alias, but Simetrical would delete it :(
[01:15:10] <Splarka>	maybe I should stalk <3
[01:15:22] *Splarka 	doesn't care, just finds amusement
[01:17:43] <^demon>	I really am getting fed up with Cingular.
[01:22:23] <Xiong>	is it possible to protect a page in a state of nonbeing?
[01:22:50] <Xiong>	purpose: to create a demo redlink
[01:23:36] <^demon>	Yes.
[01:23:41] <^demon>	Protect it like you usually would.
[01:23:58] <Splarka>	you could also just redlink to a MediaWiki ns page
[01:24:08] <Splarka>	[[MediaWiki:nosuch|red link]]
[01:25:11] <Xiong>	ah, that would violate my sense of stuff in the right bin
[01:25:28] <Xiong>	i'll put the target in [[Meta:Redlink]]
[01:25:45] <Skizzerz>	Xiong: on mediawiki versions 1.12 and above, the protect tab should be visible on nonexistant pages. on versions 1.10 and above, you can protect a page with cascade protection on and then transclude the protected (nonexistent) page into that
[01:25:59] <Xiong>	skiz, no go
[01:26:08] <Skizzerz>	what version are you running?
[01:26:11] <Xiong>	wait, as usual i'm in the wrong place
[01:27:28] <Xiong>	still no go
[01:27:31] <Xiong>	http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Meta%3ARedlink
[01:27:38] <Xiong>	MW 1.12
[01:27:50] <Splarka>	http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Red_link
[01:28:08] <Xiong>	MW 1.12.0
[01:29:04] <Xiong>	that's a really funny page splarka
[01:29:15] <Xiong>	i wish i wasn't working, so i could have time to enjoy it
[01:29:48] <Xiong>	i don't seem to have any protect link available
[01:29:57] <Xiong>	for the non-created page
[01:30:02] <Xiong>	http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Meta%3ARedlink
[01:30:04] <Splarka>	http://www.beyondeuclid.com/wiki/Meta%3ARedlink?action=protect ?
[01:30:29] <Xiong>	ah, the old bang it into the browser bar trick
[01:31:42] <Xiong>	ooh
[01:32:00] <Xiong>	it even gives the correct message when *i* follow the redlink
[01:32:10] <Xiong>	WARNING: This page has been locked so that only some users can create it.
[01:32:27] <Xiong>	ty ty
[01:33:23] <Xiong>	the older i get, the less i like to try stuff to see what happens and the more i like to RTFM
[01:33:46] <Xiong>	is there a page documenting all the tricky stuff that can be done in the browser bar?
[01:34:32] <Splarka>	http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php
[01:34:35] <Splarka>	is the closest
[01:34:40] <Splarka>	but really, it is far from complete
[01:34:59] <Splarka>	that's basically asking "what all can you do in mediawiki?"
[01:35:32] <Splarka>	almost all GET parameters can just be appended to the URI, as of 1.6 I believe
[01:35:44] <Splarka>	some exceptions include action=raw, which as to be via scriptpath instead of articlepath
[01:38:25] <Niluge_KiWi>	Splarka: I think the end of the story is that I'll work on a MW Auth extension for xoops, and remove all the dirty hacks, and for my form, I tried to POST to the edit page, and it works!its not perfect, but grat enough for me
[01:38:51] <Xiong>	complete or not, a useful page, ty
[01:38:55] <Xiong>	bookmarked
[01:39:41] <Xiong>	naturally that kind of tricky stuff comes festooned with cautions
[01:39:43] <Xiong>	nm
[01:42:25] <Splarka>	rar
[01:47:01] <ssarangi123>	Splarka, I just tried getting mediawiki to work on sourceforge and am getting a page like this
[01:47:06] <ssarangi123>	http://cadengine.sourceforge.net/wiki/
[01:48:28] <^demon>	ssarangi123: Do what it says?
[01:48:49] <^demon>	Move LocalSettings.php from the /config directory up one level (in the same directory as index.php)
[01:48:49] <ssarangi123>	^demon: index.php doesn't exist in that path
[01:48:53] <ssarangi123>	i did
[01:49:15] <OverlordQ>	any docu for $wgExtNewTables around? is it just array('tablename','schemafile')?
[01:49:18] <^demon>	That's odd. It can't find defines()
[01:49:33] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Yes, FlaggedRevs uses it (I was looking at it earlier)
[01:49:42] <ssarangi123>	yes. the tutorial said to copy the index.php to the LocalSettings.php in the parent directory which i did
[01:49:50] <ssarangi123>	and then remove the config directory which i did too
[01:50:04] <ssarangi123>	and now its trying to search for the index.php in a folder above the current one
[01:50:36] <^demon>	OverlordQ: $wgExtNewIndexes and Fields both take 3 params (table, column/index, patch)
[01:52:25] <CIA-55>	03stipe * r38408 10/branches/MetavidWiki-exp/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (5 files in 2 dirs): skinning layout progress
[01:52:27] <OverlordQ>	^demon: thanks
[01:52:30] <ssarangi123>	i have the folder under htdocs named wiki
[01:52:36] *OverlordQ 	goes to add to MW.org
[01:52:42] <ssarangi123>	and i have the LocalSettings.php there in that directory
[01:53:01] <^demon>	OverlordQ: I'm trying to find the revision it was added in so I can update it with proper version numbers, etc.
[01:53:22] <^demon>	ssarangi123: You have a folder called includes, right?
[01:54:24] <ssarangi123>	^demon: yes. its inside the wiki folder
[01:55:36] <^demon>	ssarangi123: Is there a file called Defines.php in it?
[01:56:06] <^demon>	OverlordQ: r23759, 1.11alpha
[01:56:35] <ssarangi123>	^demon: yeah its there
[01:56:56] <^demon>	Hmmm, it's saying it can't find the file, but the include_path has it there...
[01:57:35] <^demon>	Um, it's changed to a SourceForge error page...
[01:57:37] <ssarangi123>	^demon: yeah the directory structure is like this /htdocs/wiki
[01:58:00] <ssarangi123>	^demon: i had copied the LocalSettings.php to the /htdocs and renamed it as index.php
[01:58:10] <ssarangi123>	and it was not finding the right include directories
[01:58:25] <^demon>	Ok, your structure is /htdocs/wiki
[01:58:30] <OverlordQ>	Yay, very horrible minimal documentation
[01:58:34] <ssarangi123>	but then i removed the index.php from /htdocs and thats why the sourceforge error since index.php is not hthere
[01:58:52] <ssarangi123>	^demon: yeah... thats how the tutorial recommended to do it :)
[01:58:59] <^demon>	The config folder is /htdocs/wiki/config. Move the LocalSettings.php from that config directory to /htdocs/wiki/, next to index.php and api.php and all the other stuff :-)
[02:00:04] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Any clue when image redirecting was added?
[02:00:35] <ssarangi123>	LocalSettings is already in that directory (/htdocs/wiki). So then where do i move the other stuff from ?
[02:01:22] <^demon>	That should've been the only thing to move...
[02:02:34] <OverlordQ>	You can redirect images now?
[02:02:36] <ssarangi123>	^demon: yeah i did that.. also i copied LocalSettings.php to index.php and put it in /htdocs/wiki
[02:03:06] <OverlordQ>	nonono, LocalSettings.php just needs moved, not renamed to index.php
[02:03:26] <ssarangi123>	ohh ok
[02:04:17] <ssarangi123>	ok now it just shows the directory listing ( http://cadengine.sourceforge.net/wiki/ )
[02:05:16] <OverlordQ>	yea because you overwrote the original index.php with your local settings :-/
[02:06:30] <ssarangi123>	:).. yeah what to do now :(
[02:06:42] <^demon>	ssarangi123: Upload a new copy of index.php :-)
[02:07:54] *OverlordQ 	adds nonexistant {{manual-stub}} template to new MW pages
[02:09:38] <ssarangi123>	^demon: uploaded a new one
[02:09:49] <ssarangi123>	but now its back to the same error with the link
[02:10:00] <Xiong>	once, when i went to see a movie at an art house in chicago, there was a midget standing in line
[02:10:23] <Xiong>	i'm embarassed to say, it took all my willpower not to stare
[02:10:48] <Xiong>	i kept sneaking looks and thinking of conversation starters
[02:11:09] <Xiong>	that was ten years ago and i'm still ashamed
[02:11:22] <Xiong>	she was actually very good looking
[02:14:09] <^demon>	That's really odd.
[02:14:45] <ssarangi123>	^demon: yeah, i don't understand why it is redirecting it to the parent directory.
[02:16:15] <^demon>	ssarangi123: Also, seeing as define( 'MEDIAWIKI' , true ) happens in WebStart.php, not LocalSettings.php
[02:17:00] <Niluge_KiWi>	Good bye everyone, and thanks to those who helped me!
[02:17:05] <ssarangi123>	^demon: ohh. i was following this tutorial ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Running_MediaWiki_on_Sourceforge.net )
[02:19:39] <OverlordQ>	yay added the documentation, hopefully I'm not 100% wrong on em
[02:24:04] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Looks good to me. I'm adding the rev # and see also's between the 3 related settings.
[02:24:23] <OverlordQ>	that makes sense :)
[02:34:29] <ssarangi123>	^demon: any ideas ?
[02:34:39] <^demon>	ssarangi123: Not a clue
[02:34:47] <^demon>	OverlordQ: Done updating with that stuff :-)
[02:35:27] <ssarangi123>	^demon: not a problem. Thanx a lot for helping me out though
[02:36:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add variant of MediaWiki: Pagetitle for customizing the main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15007 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (rememberthedot)
[02:37:04] <^demon>	No problem :-)
[02:37:13] <Xiong>	can i create an internal link to this:
[02:37:15] <Xiong>	http://www.beyondeuclid.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup
[02:37:53] <Xiong>	or more generally, can i append that sort of URL parameter to any internal link?
[02:38:32] <Splarka>	Xiong: no, but you can use Fullurl
[02:38:43] <Splarka>	[{{fullurl:Special:Userlogin|type=signup}} signup]
[02:38:58] <Xiong>	that will do well enough, i suppose
[02:39:09] <Xiong>	i'd just like to generalize the help page
[02:39:13] <Splarka>	works if you move servers or have variant entry domains
[02:39:24] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38409 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Take Article::viewRedirect() public and have it return a string so it can be used other places, like EditPage for proper rendering of redirects on preview (bug 2333). +Docs here and there.
[02:39:26] <^demon>	\o/
[02:39:27] <Splarka>	OCD + mediawiki = tweaking forever
[02:39:49] *Splarka 	waits 10 seconds form ^demon to revert part of that
[02:39:51] <Xiong>	autism + mediawiki = one perfect page
[02:39:59] <Splarka>	"oops, didn't mean to blank Parser.php"
[02:40:07] *Splarka 	hides
[02:40:15] <Splarka>	heh
[02:40:15] <Splarka>	definitely 47 bytes
[02:40:17] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Redirect graphic not shown in preview - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2333  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[02:40:26] <^demon>	No, but that definitely just spammed some people ^^^ :-P
[02:41:09] <^demon>	That took me all of 10 minutes...I'm kinda surprised that bug's been open 3 years :-P
[02:41:31] <Splarka>	^demon: what about a # on the second line, etc? 
[02:41:44] <Splarka>	#REDIRECT [[foo]]\n#REDIRECT [[bar]]
[02:41:58] *Splarka 	not looked at your code, just guessing
[02:42:05] <Charitwo>	hey ^demon, do you have any ideas for bug 14970 ?
[02:42:16] <^demon>	When rendering a page, all non-redirect and non-category content are stripped anyway. Preview keeps this similar.
[02:42:40] <^demon>	I mean, you _are_ previewing the output :-)
[02:43:34] <Splarka>	hmm
[02:43:45] <Splarka>	well, that is sort of like the conundrum with user.js/css
[02:44:10] <Splarka>	eg /* {{delete}} */ actually puts the delete template on the page, registers links, and categorizes it
[02:44:18] <Splarka>	but you can't easily see that
[02:44:39] <Splarka>	(not in preview or view, or in edit except as wikicode)
[02:45:18] <^demon>	Charitwo: Not tonight is my only thought ;-)
[02:45:28] <Charitwo>	heh
[02:46:20] <Splarka>	lazy ^_^
[02:46:33] <^demon>	Yes, and?
[02:46:50] *Charitwo 	gives Splarka a fish
[02:47:19] <Xiong>	that's it, charitwo
[02:47:21] <Xiong>	you did it
[02:47:30] <Xiong>	now i'm going to go get some chicken fried rice
[02:47:33] <Xiong>	and you can't stop me
[02:47:43] <Charitwo>	i'm calling the police?
[02:48:06] <^demon>	There's something you don't see every day....
[02:48:11] <^demon>	Firefox can't find the server at localhost
[02:53:37] *Splarka 	wonders lazily what the fish is for
[02:56:50] <^demon>	Oooh, this is a fun bug
[02:57:27] <Charitwo>	Splarka: Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he better not ask for anymore fish.
[02:57:50] <Splarka>	but give a man a fisherman, and he can sit inside and play tetris
[02:58:33] <^demon>	Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Give a man religion, and he'll starve to death praying for another fish.
[03:01:59] <qsheets>	lmao
[03:04:28] <qsheets>	^demon: is that how it went... hmph
[03:04:34] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Redirect images not subject to Bad image list rules - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15008 normal; normal; MediaWiki: Images; (innocentkiller)
[03:04:35] <^demon>	Whoo, fun bug here :-P
[03:05:10] <Splarka>	*ahem*
[03:05:19] <qsheets>	LMAO
[03:05:20] <Splarka>	<imagemap> IIRC suffers the same problem
[03:05:34] <Splarka>	and has for like, a year?
[03:05:54] <Splarka>	(BEANS abound youknow)
[03:06:07] <MZMcBride>	Heh.
[03:06:09] <MZMcBride>	That was it.
[03:06:31] <MZMcBride>	I kept thinking <imagemap> could bypass the Spamblacklist. But it's the Bad_image_list.
[03:07:18] <CIA-55>	03werdna * r38410 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialUserrights.php: Use content language for rightsnone
[03:15:24] <^demon>	Splarka: What if I said the fix for that took 2 minutes?
[03:16:21] <Splarka>	in that case I'd guess brion's revert will take 1 minute
[03:16:37] <Splarka>	</snarky>
[03:16:44] <^demon>	;-)
[03:16:50] <^demon>	Is there an open bug for it?
[03:17:28] <Splarka>	if you mean <imagemap>, I reported it, was told "BEANS"
[03:17:39] <Splarka>	but someone else mighta zilla'd it
[03:18:53] <Splarka>	note that you might wish to fix the other similar extensions, like click, icon, whatever
[03:19:46] <^demon>	I'll commit the fix to ImageMap, but I'm done for tonight :-)
[03:19:52] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LinkedImage  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Icon
[03:19:55] <^demon>	Just tested it on localhost, works great.
[03:23:19] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38411 10/trunk/extensions/ImageMap/ (ImageMap.i18n.php ImageMap_body.php): Make ImageMap behave and obey the Bad image list.
[03:24:27] <^demon>	Splarka: I can't find an open bug for it. Meh. Anyway, I'm off. Night all.
[03:34:06] <CIA-55>	03werdna * r38412 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/ (CentralAuth.i18n.php SpecialEditWikiSets.php): (log message trimmed)
[03:34:06] <CIA-55>	Polish wiki sets a little bit:
[03:34:06] <CIA-55>	* Fix up some of the English.
[03:34:06] <CIA-55>	* Add a selector for adding wiki sets to the list. Presenting a TEXTAREA for
[03:34:06] <CIA-55>	some type of data which isn't plain text (like, say, a list of wikis) is a
[03:34:07] <CIA-55>	little bit off-putting. Users who get the idea from the selector may use the
[03:34:11] <CIA-55>	textarea, too.
[03:49:05] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38413 10/branches/REL1_13/extensions/StableVersion/language/ (ar.php en.php fr.php nl.php pt.php ru.php): typo
[03:49:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Internal error when creating accounts by e-mail with $wgMinimalPasswordLength > 0 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15009 normal; normal; MediaWiki: User login/settings; (Emufarmers)
[04:02:21] *No1Viking 	is away: BBL
[04:11:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Patch for UsernameBlacklist to support multiple blacklist sources - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15010 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsernameBlacklist; (francine)
[04:24:43] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) $wgAPIMaxDBRows doesn't seem used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15011 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: API; (innocentkiller)
[04:25:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Username Blacklist creates huge regexes, which could unintentionally crash PCRE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14941  +comment (10lilewyn)
[04:36:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) $wgAPIMaxDBRows doesn't seem used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15011  +comment (10overlordq)
[04:46:45] *qsheets 	segregates, integrates, and devours OREOs
[05:30:31] <sentinel100101>	is there an extension to integrate a forum say a phpbb one such that users account created in the wiki are auto added to the forum and vice versa.. i knw abt iqbwiki bt can this be done in mediawiki
[05:31:08] <Charitwo>	I think Wikia has something like that setup, but I am not sure how it's done.
[05:33:12] <sentinel100101>	hmm..
[06:06:44] <sentinel100101>	hmm... well any ideas how to integrate a phpbb in mediawiki such that users in mediawiki are auto added to the forum and vice versa?
[06:07:05] <Krimpet>	sentinel100101, you can use an extension to do that :)
[06:07:22] <Krimpet>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration
[06:08:34] <kjdavies>	a question about Extension:DynamicPageList
[06:08:53] <kjdavies>	I've got it displaying articles in a specific category, which is cool
[06:09:04] <kjdavies>	but it's also picking up *categories* with the specific category
[06:09:06] <kjdavies>	which is less cool
[06:09:40] <kjdavies>	can I set DPL to return only those articles that are part of the category I'm looking for, iff the articles contain a specific template?
[06:10:51] <Splarka>	kjdavies: wouldn't it be more efficient to have it only return pages in a certain namespace?
[06:11:02] <kjdavies>	that solves half the problem
[06:11:04] <Splarka>	I believe DPL can filter for namespace
[06:11:13] <kjdavies>	the bigger half, true
[06:11:19] <Splarka>	alternately, you could modify the template
[06:11:37] <kjdavies>	(I also don't want it to try to pick up articles that lack the template that DPL mines for article information)
[06:11:50] <Splarka>	{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Category|[[Category:Categories about flibble]]|[[Category:Articles about flibble]]}}
[06:11:53] <kjdavies>	however, filtering on namespace is a good first step
[06:12:12] <Splarka>	put only categories into a different categiry
[06:12:16] <Splarka>	^o
[06:12:20] <Dantman>	uses=
[06:12:44] <Dantman>	^_^ there is a very helpful manual you can look at
[06:12:45] <Dantman>	Hmmm
[06:12:47] <Dantman>	!dpl
[06:12:47] --mwbot--	The DynamicPageList (DPL) extension outputs reports based on criteria given in a special tag. For more information, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList> and <http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=Dynamic_Page_List>.
[06:13:26] <Splarka>	kjdavies: if you are set on the particular template...
[06:13:26] <Krimpet>	perhaps you could filter out the Category: namespace?
[06:13:32] <Dantman>	bah
[06:13:33] <Splarka>	I just said that, bah!
[06:13:37] <Splarka>	kjdavies: if you are set on the particular template...
[06:13:45] <Dantman>	http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=DPL:Manual
[06:13:51] <Splarka>	have the template also include a __HIDDENCAT__ category
[06:13:52] <Splarka>	and then have DPL  require both categories
[06:14:18] <Dantman>	ugh... does noone listen...
[06:14:33] <Splarka>	indeed, they don't
[06:14:38] <Dantman>	http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=DPL:Manual_-_DPL_parameters:_Criteria_for_page_selection#uses
[06:14:39] <Splarka>	no one reads scrollback either
[06:14:49] <^demon>	I do, when I'm here for it ;-)
[06:14:57] <kjdavies>	thanks everyone.  I knew where the documentation was, just not which particular bit I was looking for
[06:15:05] <Splarka>	yah, but you don't read your commits, demon!
[06:15:32] <Krimpet>	I've been meaning to ask, BTW - who/where does one apply for commit access?
[06:15:44] <Splarka>	Dantman: using uses= seems very inefficient
[06:15:58] <Splarka>	Krimpet: bribe brion, tea and cookies
[06:16:13] <Dantman>	^_^ Splarka, DPL isn't meant to be efficient in any way at all
[06:16:15] <Splarka>	he's been very generous with it lately
[06:16:22] <Splarka>	fair
[06:16:27] <Krimpet>	ooh, does he accept tastykakes?
[06:16:35] <Dantman>	If you want something to the point, use SMW
[06:16:46] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) $wgAPIMaxDBRows doesn't seem used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15011  +comment (10innocentkiller)
[06:16:49] <Splarka>	I think he's starting to enjoy the daily game of whack-a-mole he plays with the new committers
[06:16:59] <Dantman>	heh...
[06:17:11] <^demon>	Krimpet: He does like pies.
[06:17:12] <Dantman>	I can tell... 75% of the things I commit get reverted the next day
[06:17:14] <Splarka>	srsly, about all he does all day is revert all the changes
[06:17:26] <^demon>	Splarka: Once again, I ask you to not make fun of me :-P
[06:17:31] <Splarka>	wasn't!
[06:17:42] <Splarka>	he reverts everyone
[06:17:44] <Splarka>	you revert yourself
[06:17:54] <Krimpet>	other than little patches, I'm particularly interested in helping keep the doxygen comments consistent and thorough, I read http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/ all the time and it's patchy in places. :)
[06:17:56] *Splarka 	did there, heh
[06:18:04] <Splarka>	haha
[06:18:07] <Splarka>	riiiiiight Krimpet
[06:18:08] <kjdavies>	hrm
[06:18:09] <Splarka>	that is what they all say
[06:18:17] <^demon>	Krimpet: Yay docs :-)
[06:18:19] <kjdavies>	notnamespace=Category
[06:18:24] <kjdavies>	is that the right syntax?
[06:18:34] <Splarka>	Dan: "I promose to only work on my branch" brion: "Okay" *gets access* dan: "Omg, change core! woot!" Brion: "..."
[06:18:36] <kjdavies>	because it just failed unpleasantly
[06:18:43] <Krimpet>	what do they all say? :)
[06:18:50] <Splarka>	that they'll stick to their niche
[06:18:56] <Splarka>	next thing you know they're breaking the parser
[06:19:21] <Krimpet>	well, the doxygen comments are core, and everything else as well. :p
[06:20:00] <Krimpet>	should I e-mail Brion?
[06:20:05] <Splarka>	sure, but you claim niche and "small patches"
[06:20:14] <^demon>	Splarka: I asked originally because of the InterwikiList extension I wrote.
[06:20:14] <^demon>	And because Simetrical was tired of me pestering him for my minor patches :-P
[06:20:25] <Splarka>	and look at you now demon ^_^
[06:20:30] <kjdavies>	oops, my mistake
[06:20:32] <Splarka>	it is a common pattern
[06:20:33] <Jack_Phoenix>	Splarka, what do you mean that blanking Parser.php is not a small patch? :P
[06:20:46] <kjdavies>	tripped on another category someone was using, but without the template I look for
[06:20:52] <Splarka>	Jack: major improvement, but some people dislike that sort of fix
[06:21:02] <^demon>	Splarka: Dan had it right. You see "Oooh, trunk/phase :-)"
[06:21:05] <Jack_Phoenix>	<g>
[06:21:27] <^demon>	Jack_Phoenix: You also don't suggest removing legacy code for 1.4 => 1.5 upgrades. Apparently this breaks stuff.
[06:21:29] <^demon>	;-)
[06:21:37] <Splarka>	Krimpet: if neutrinos and antineutrinos have mass, where does the mass (or energy-mass) come from for sequential beta+/beta- decays which both emit neutrinos/antineutrinos?
[06:21:44] <Jack_Phoenix>	eww 1.4
[06:21:58] <Jack_Phoenix>	that's like...ancient, from the dark times of wikipedia
[06:22:16] <Krimpet>	Splarka, um... "yes."
[06:22:22] <Krimpet>	is that the right answer? :)
[06:22:28] <Splarka>	fair
[06:23:03] <Krimpet>	so, should I e-mail Brion? (with the tea and cookies attached as a tarball, presumably?)
[06:23:11] <Splarka>	anyway, brion sometimes likes to see a history of patches you've submitted to bugzilla for bug fixes to core, or at least some indication you know what php is
[06:23:22] <^demon>	Krimpet: Sure. As Splarka said, he's been rather generous about handing it out recently.
[06:23:36] <^demon>	(Hint, first line begins with <?php ;-))
[06:24:03] <Splarka>	which rules me out, I prefer css/js fixes, bwahaha
[06:24:07] <Krimpet>	I've submitted a couple patches before, one particularly big one just earlier today
[06:24:21] <Splarka>	right, point to them in your email
[06:26:20] <^demon>	Splarka: Just remember to bump wgStyleVersion ;-)
[06:26:39] <Splarka>	on-site fixes, heck with core
[06:27:00] *Splarka 	grins
[06:27:20] <^demon>	Krimpet: Read over http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Commit_access if you haven't. It's got some good tips (plus things Brion will need, like your SSH key).
[06:27:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add variant of MediaWiki: Pagetitle for customizing the main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15007  +comment (10dan_the_man)
[06:27:43] <^demon>	It's also moderately funny...especially some of the mailing list references for the rules :-)
[06:30:29] <Krimpet>	^demon, yep, I saw that - thought it funny that it didn't actually cover how to request though ;)
[06:35:52] <^demon>	Hehe. MW.org docs can be terribly outdated :-P
[06:36:31] <Shiroi_Neko>	MW.org docs were always outdated
[06:36:34] <Shiroi_Neko>	even when created
[06:36:54] <sentinel100101>	Krimpet:Thanks a ton.. that just what i needed!
[06:37:00] <Krimpet>	sentinel100101, no problem. :)
[06:37:07] <Shiroi_Neko>	MW.org docs are the dictionaary deffinition of being outdated
[06:37:19] <Krimpet>	I think it'd be interesting to integrate MW.org with Doxygen somehow.
[06:37:22] <^demon>	Shiroi_Neko: Like when we discover globals that have been around for 2 versions already ;-)
[06:37:45] <Splarka>	en.wiktionary.org/wiki/outdated ->  #REDIRECT [[mw:documentation]]
[06:37:49] <^demon>	Shiroi_Neko: It's gotten better than it used to be, that much can be said.
[06:38:05] <Splarka>	the mw.org documentation is oudated because it is predated
[06:38:06] <^demon>	Splarka: IW redirects are disabled on WMF, you know that ;-)
[06:38:09] <Splarka>	+t
[06:38:09] <Shiroi_Neko>	^demon MW.org docs should be deleted. NonNotable-Mediawiki-cruft
[06:38:16] <Splarka>	^demon: soft redirects
[06:38:23] <Splarka>	but the documentation says they work! hah
[06:38:35] <^demon>	The documentation says a lot of things.
[06:38:41] <Splarka>	but they are predated because: people write the documentation when they commit, before it goes live
[06:38:45] <Splarka>	and then brion reverts it
[06:38:56] <^demon>	been there...
[06:39:02] <Shiroi_Neko>	Splarka brion is actualy an edit warrior like that
[06:39:12] <Shiroi_Neko>	3rr should apply to commits :)
[06:39:16] <^demon>	I've now adapted the habit of not writing the MW.org docs until after it scaps :-)
[06:39:18] <Splarka>	also, half the good stuff is still on meta
[06:39:37] <Krimpet>	I strongly suspect the only reason interwiki transclusion isn't enabled is because they named it "scary" transclusion. kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. :p
[06:39:48] <Splarka>	no, it is scary
[06:39:54] <Splarka>	ever used it? it is so horribly broken
[06:39:57] *qsheets 	wants access...
[06:39:59] <^demon>	Krimpet: No, it's very scary.
[06:40:07] <Krimpet>	oh, it is scary. :)
[06:40:10] <Splarka>	images, magicwords, styles, parameters... there is almost nothing that actually works
[06:40:11] <^demon>	I've been meaning to rewrite that to use the API and be less scary.
[06:40:15] <Splarka>	unlessed subst'd of course
[06:40:26] <^demon>	I'll rename the global $wgEnableSlightlyLessScaryTransclusion :-)
[06:40:28] <Splarka>	the main problem with that is, the API requires script path
[06:40:30] <Dantman>	^demon: How do you intend to find out where the API is?
[06:40:36] <Splarka>	and interwiki tables only use the article path
[06:40:47] <Dantman>	TransWiki ftw!
[06:40:47] <Splarka>	so you'd need to change the interwiki schema drastically
[06:40:48] <^demon>	Dantman: Wishful thinking.
[06:41:07] <Splarka>	or make a Special: gateway for API
[06:41:17] <Dantman>	^_^ tried that.... didn't work
[06:41:20] <^demon>	Splarka: True. I think Roan's been throwing around ideas of how to make the API's intercommunicate, but it would need some work.
[06:41:21] <Shiroi_Neko>	^demon people should gang up against devs and tricking them to making 3 commit reverts :)
[06:41:29] <Shiroi_Neko>	:P
[06:41:36] <Splarka>	rrr
[06:41:41] <Shiroi_Neko>	</really bad idea>
[06:41:58] <^demon>	24hr block, uncivil commit messages!
[06:42:12] <Shiroi_Neko>	de-devship?
[06:42:17] *Krimpet 	figured SVN operated on a 0RR, with the lead devs exempt. :)
[06:43:00] <Dantman>	svn: The wiki world where wiki rules don't apply...
[06:43:04] <^demon>	Hehe, I was up late one night (like tonight) and put in like 5-6 commits on a few different things. Came back to it the next afternoon and saw all but like 1 reverted...I was crushed.
[06:43:28] <^demon>	Dantman: svn:flamewar-style: wiki
[06:43:35] <Shiroi_Neko>	^demon you mean your world collapsed on you?
[06:43:42] <qsheets>	lol
[06:43:51] <^demon>	Shiroi_Neko: My worldview had been devastated.
[06:43:51] <Dantman>	housing failure?
[06:44:06] <Shiroi_Neko>	world wide view (WWV) ?
[06:44:09] <qsheets>	nuclear attack?
[06:44:41] <Splarka>	^demon: if you saw all 5 survive 24h you'd die of shock
[06:45:02] <^demon>	Krimpet: In all seriousness, no, not really. Anyone can revert bad code if they see it. Part of committing with a group of people (and everyone's on the mediawiki-cvs list for the most part) is that _someone_ will complain if you break 12 parsertests, for example :-)
[06:45:26] <^demon>	Btw: is there a method somewhere that gives you a list of all groups that have the XYZ right?
[06:45:32] <gbear>	03I've newly installed mediawiki onto my page
[06:45:43] <str4nd>	Don't use colours, please.
[06:45:44] <gbear>	03and I'm having problems finding the default logo variable... 
[06:45:49] <Krimpet>	a green copy of MediaWiki, I see. :p
[06:45:56] <^demon>	Al Gore would be thrilled.
[06:45:57] <qsheets>	gbear: $wgLogo
[06:45:58] <Jack_Phoenix>	environment-friendly ;)
[06:46:04] <qsheets>	lol
[06:46:10] <^demon>	!logo | gbear
[06:46:10] --mwbot--	gbear: The logo that appears in the top left of each page is determined by the $wgLogo configuration setting in the LocalSettings.php file. To change this you simply need to change the value of $wgLogo to point to the URL of your own logo image. See <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgLogo> for more information.
[06:46:15] <qsheets>	or unique
[06:46:18] <Splarka>	talking in color prompts faster help to shut them up
[06:46:31] <Jack_Phoenix>	"91 files selected" -- this is gonna be a nice commit, heh heh
[06:46:38] <Splarka>	^demon: that Special: page, and ctrl-f in browser ^_^
[06:46:48] <Jack_Phoenix>	(admittedly, 55 or so of those files are images, but still)
[06:46:49] <^demon>	Which one?
[06:47:15] <gbear>	03ok so by default the @wglogo line is not present in the local settings page?  aka you have to add it?
[06:47:15] <Dantman>	Jack: what the hell are you committing?
[06:47:25] <Jack_Phoenix>	SocialProfile changes, heh
[06:47:31] <^demon>	Jack_Phoenix: I prefer my typo at work today, where I accidentally requested "Please make at additional copies 92 please) of the CD"
[06:47:32] <qsheets>	yes
[06:47:38] <^demon>	gbear: Yes
[06:47:40] <str4nd>	hi Jack_Phoenix
[06:47:41] <Dantman>	Heh... ^_^ someome was thinking of hiring me to fix SocialProfile
[06:47:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	^demon, lol
[06:47:51] <Jack_Phoenix>	str4nd, hey there :-)
[06:47:54] <^demon>	Shift is such a funny key ;-)
[06:47:55] <Splarka>	Special:ListGroupRights
[06:48:06] <str4nd>	Jack_Phoenix: Where are you now? :)
[06:48:08] <Shiroi_Neko>	^demon even I?
[06:48:12] <Shiroi_Neko>	can I revert too?
[06:48:27] <Shiroi_Neko>	:D
[06:48:28] <Jack_Phoenix>	str4nd, physically or what? ;-)
[06:48:33] <str4nd>	yes
[06:48:46] <Jack_Phoenix>	still in Turku, Finland
[06:49:02] <str4nd>	Okay, hmm :(
[06:49:15] <str4nd>	We have a meeting today in Helsinki
[06:49:27] <^demon>	Splarka: That doesn't help me ;-)
[06:49:33] <Splarka>	^demon: in what way?
[06:50:07] <Splarka>	if a right isn't on the list it isn't defined/assigned
[06:50:49] <^demon>	No no, I mean is there a method _within_ code to find it?
[06:51:02] <Splarka>	sure, check the source of that Special: page ^_^
[06:51:04] <^demon>	for example: User::getGroupsWithRole('read').
[06:51:11] <^demon>	Turns out now.
[06:51:13] <^demon>	*not
[06:51:21] <^demon>	It's a nested foreach, basically.
[06:51:29] <Jack_Phoenix>	{{sofixit}}
[06:51:34] <Splarka>	...
[06:51:36] <Splarka>	yes, that is the way to find it
[06:51:53] <Splarka>	iterate over $wgGroupPermissions
[06:51:57] <kjdavies>	heh
[06:52:03] <kjdavies>	'Category::Review' doesn't work
[06:52:06] <Splarka>	or call another function that does
[06:52:10] <kjdavies>	wrong namespace syntax
[06:52:16] <^demon>	Splarka: Would getGroupsWithRole() even be useful for anything except what I'm writing?
[06:52:39] <Splarka>	maybe
[06:52:56] <Splarka>	rewrite the Special: page to have an externally callable function like that
[06:53:04] <^demon>	I _could_
[06:53:05] <Splarka>	so that you can piggyback it
[06:53:18] <Splarka>	and then hack in Special:Listusers... heh
[06:53:30] <Splarka>	Special:Listusers?right=blockemail
[06:53:37] <Splarka>	if you can justify it then it might stick
[06:55:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Mailing list for Malayalam projects - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15012 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Mailing lists; (shijualex)
[06:56:36] <Splarka>	mmm... ^demon, maybe Special:ListGroupRights might have a second table sorting each possible right and listing the groups that have them
[06:57:46] <^demon>	Splarka: The thing is, most rights are only given to single groups.
[06:57:47] <Splarka>	eg, anywhere a userCan() check is performed, or a right assigned in *Settings.php, list that right on ListGroupRights, and then check which groups have that right
[06:57:48] <^demon>	For example, you don't give 'read' to sysops, because they inherit it from *
[06:58:09] <Splarka>	that way, you can list rights with no groups
[06:58:19] <^demon>	True.
[06:58:30] <Splarka>	(if that is even possible, some rights might not exist outside userCan() until assigned eh?)
[06:58:31] <^demon>	And vice-versa, groups that have no rights given to them yet.
[06:58:42] <Splarka>	well, that's already done
[06:58:46] <Splarka>	see en.wp's LGR
[07:00:22] <^demon>	User::getAllRights() is a start :-)
[07:00:35] <Shiroi_Neko>	^demon btw
[07:00:41] <Shiroi_Neko>	maybe you can enlighten me a bit
[07:00:49] <Shiroi_Neko>	can you please check the contributions of [[User:Computer]] on english wikipedia
[07:00:56] <Shiroi_Neko>	that account was recently renamed
[07:01:01] <Shiroi_Neko>	but there is one left over edit
[07:01:06] <Shiroi_Neko>	I am trying to figure out why
[07:01:14] <Splarka>	probably undeleted
[07:01:22] <Splarka>	check deletion log of page it belongs to
[07:01:55] <^demon>	I thought deleted edits were carried over now?
[07:01:59] <Shiroi_Neko>	its not
[07:02:06] <Shiroi_Neko>	its not deleted
[07:02:14] <Shiroi_Neko>	^demon yes it was fixed
[07:02:30] <Shiroi_Neko>	however old deletions/undeletions are an outstanding issue
[07:02:34] <^demon>	Hmmm. No clue.
[07:02:51] <Shiroi_Neko>	I have plenty of edits under [[User:Cool Cat]] that needs to be atributed to my current account [[User:White Cat]]
[07:03:03] <Shiroi_Neko>	^demon can you do that actualy?
[07:03:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Mailing list for Malayalam projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15012  (10shijualex)
[07:03:51] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=&page=User:Computer  wtf
[07:04:23] <Splarka>	it was usurped in 2007, and then abandoned a year later, but no one else is allowed to have it?
[07:04:30] <Splarka>	that's not very nice
[07:04:52] <Splarka>	the stray edit is karma ^_^
[07:05:38] <^demon>	Shiroi_Neko: I just looked. No clue :(
[07:05:39] <^demon>	brb
[07:05:51] <Shiroi_Neko>	you just looked
[07:05:52] <Shiroi_Neko>	awww
[07:06:00] <Shiroi_Neko>	it is as if the world doesnt revolve around me...
[07:06:24] <Splarka>	helps if you ask someone with shell access instead of a random commit monkey
[07:06:50] *Splarka 	insults ^demon again ^_^
[07:14:29] <Shiroi_Neko>	I thought ^demon had infinite access to space/time...
[07:15:12] <Krimpet>	OK, e-mail sent. I'm crossing my fingers :)
[07:17:42] <Shiroi_Neko>	Krimpet is that like a railway crossing?
[07:18:24] <Krimpet>	Shiroi_Neko, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossed_fingers ;)
[07:19:18] <Shiroi_Neko>	seems like a joint disorder
[07:27:01] <Dantman>	Damnit, Jack_Phoenix, you couldn't have just used the same name previously used for that hook?
[07:27:37] <Jack_Phoenix>	brion didn't like it, so I changed it to one that he liked (actually, he suggested that name, heh)
[07:27:56] <Dantman>	I already committed it once as SkinGlobalVariables and that was fine
[07:28:17] <Dantman>	Brion only reverted cause he thought that there was already a way to add js variables
[07:30:18] <Splarka>	heh
[07:30:47] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add variant of MediaWiki: Pagetitle for customizing the main page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15007  (10N/A)
[07:31:33] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[07:31:34] <Dantman>	:/ Now we have 3 names for the same hook
[07:33:14] <str4nd>	hello Nikerabbit 
[07:33:36] <Splarka>	mmm... how does flaggedrevs store/serve an old version of a page, if unapproved changes are made to templates or images ?
[07:33:48] <Splarka>	does it just refuse to invalidate the cached rendered version?
[07:34:03] <Splarka>	or does it actually time travel
[07:36:06] <Dantman>	Hmmm...... maybe I should look into Drupal
[07:44:18] <deepfreez>	Hi, i have some problems with spammer... how i can rezolv this problem
[07:44:22] <deepfreez>	i install Wikipedia webpage
[07:46:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) arz.wikipedia has been approved - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15013 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: Language setup; (Gerard.meijssen)
[07:46:30] <deepfreez>	how i can closed the registraton?
[07:47:52] <Krimpet>	deepfreez, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Restricting_access#1.5_upwards_2
[07:47:59] <deepfreez>	tnx
[08:08:16] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38414 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.class.php: Be stricter on tags
[08:10:59] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38415 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Remove unused global.
[08:18:36] <guyvdb>	is it possible to catch a fatal out of memory exception, clean up some data and continue execution?
[08:38:00] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38416 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevsPage.php: code refactoring
[10:13:43] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38417 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: bolden legend
[10:29:50] <sentinel100101>	how do i change Log in/ create account in mediawiki to Log in/ New Account ?
[10:30:04] <sentinel100101>	how do i change Log in/ create account in mediawiki to Log in/ Register
[10:30:17] <Splarka>	Special:Allmessages
[10:30:43] <sentinel100101>	well i did.. and search for login cant find the page
[10:30:58] <sentinel100101>	should i be searhcing for userlogin?
[10:31:19] <Splarka>	search for "Create account"
[10:31:22] <Splarka>	or the text you want to change
[10:31:24] <sentinel100101>	since the page name is Special:UserLogin
[10:31:30] <sentinel100101>	ok
[10:31:30] <Splarka>	don't go by the page name
[10:31:37] <Splarka>	it won't always be intuitive
[10:31:46] <Splarka>	also a good place to look is:  http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php?view=co&content-type=text%2Fplain
[10:32:00] <Splarka>	or your local copy of languages/messages/MessagesEn.php (don't edit it though)
[10:32:21] <Splarka>	the message you want is MediaWiki:nav-login-createaccount
[10:32:45] <Splarka>	but that phrase is also used in MediaWiki:userlogin for other placement
[10:32:59] <sentinel100101>	ok so u suggest no to mess wit it?
[10:33:30] <Splarka>	no, I mean don't edit languages/messages/MessagesEn.php
[10:33:46] <sentinel100101>	so do i change mediawiki:nac-login-createaccount?
[10:33:47] <Splarka>	of course you can edit the messages, as  MediaWiki:userlogin and MediaWiki:nav-login-createaccount
[10:36:37] <sentinel100101>	what is DotMOTBP?
[10:47:20] <Reedy>	Grrr, not really a MW question.. But anyone any suggestions why php/browsers wont show unicode characters as they should be? when they are fine via php cli?
[10:47:56] <Reedy>	http://typoscan.reedyboy.net/ - Black backgrounded ?, not the plain text ? (i know what these are)
[10:47:57] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	Reedy basic encoding issue
[10:48:07] <Reedy>	then some like accented a's are shown as a
[10:48:10] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	php isnt generaly unicode friendly
[10:48:27] <Reedy>	its just getting to be a cunt
[10:48:40] <Reedy>	as if i do php index.php it shows as expected
[10:48:50] <Reedy>	just when its sent to a browser, its not
[10:49:52] <Reedy>	It might be the webserver that is being used by my hosting company..
[10:50:10] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	Reedy thats probably unicode getting screwed big time
[10:50:18] <Reedy>	hmm
[10:50:21] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	it could be a server issue too
[10:50:33] <Reedy>	just done it via a small c# app
[10:50:34] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	DB2 is like that for example
[10:50:38] <Reedy>	which is getting it as utf-8
[10:50:43] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	very picky
[10:50:52] <Reedy>	its showing white squares
[10:51:04] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	what is the sql datatype?
[10:51:15] <Reedy>	Of what?
[10:51:21] <Reedy>	The DB is encoded in utf8
[10:51:44] <Reedy>	the text is being kept as a blob
[10:51:54] <Reedy>	looks fine when viewed straight from the database
[10:51:56] <Reedy>	and also via php cli
[10:52:07] <Reedy>	so its their apache which is screwing things up it would possible seem
[10:52:17] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	does it not use an sql server?
[10:52:17] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	Reedy briliant
[10:52:17] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	:P
[10:52:17] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	datatypu
[10:52:17] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	soo... try running the query manualy
[10:52:18] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	what does that return?
[10:52:27] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	use AQT
[10:52:33] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	I see
[10:52:38] <Reedy>	its mysql
[10:52:39] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	then it gets messed up in c# phase
[10:52:44] <Reedy>	no
[10:52:49] <Reedy>	no c# used here
[10:52:49] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	what do you do to assign "string" a unicode char?
[10:52:59] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	AQT works with any sql database
[10:53:08] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	[2008-08-02 13:50:49] <Reedy> just done it via a small c# app
[10:53:11] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	dont lie
[10:53:13] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	:P
[10:53:13] <Reedy>	yes
[10:53:20] <Reedy>	getting the html :P
[10:53:33] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	what connection do you use to pull the data
[10:54:00] <Reedy>	http://pastebin.com/d1356fc0
[10:54:07] <Reedy>	Thats how it looks if i do php index.php in shell
[10:54:17] <Reedy>	The normal "?" im not bothered about
[10:54:23] <Reedy>	as they were like that before it went into the DB
[10:54:36] <Reedy>	as you can see there, all characters are shown nicely
[10:54:58] <Reedy>	its the same as you'll get from http://typoscan.reedyboy.net
[10:55:11] <Reedy>	which from 9 onwards, shows the black backgrounded ?
[10:56:02] <Ryokou-no-Neko>	your problem is 98.76% an encoding issue
[10:56:20] <Reedy>	by the web server
[10:58:35] *Reedy 	facepalms
[10:58:59] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38418 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
[10:58:59] <CIA-55>	* Use AJAX for reader feedback
[10:58:59] <CIA-55>	* Tighten validation
[10:58:59] <CIA-55>	* Performance tweaks
[10:58:59] <CIA-55>	* Move two functions
[10:59:34] <Reedy>	Ryokou-no-Neko, think its worth complaining to dreamhost?
[10:59:46] *Reedy 	has an idea
[11:00:18] <lymeca>	Where can I edit the login user message?
[11:01:10] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38419 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.css: reduce padding
[11:04:26] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38420 10/branches/REL1_12/phase3/languages/messages/ (209 files): 
[11:04:26] <CIA-55>	Backporting localisation updates for core to REL1_12.
[11:04:26] <CIA-55>	* 19253 new translations (roughly 10 full localisations), unknown number of changes
[11:06:06] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38421 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.php flaggedrevs.js): 
[11:06:06] <CIA-55>	* Disable selects on submit too
[11:06:06] <CIA-55>	* Bump style version
[11:06:06] <CIA-55>	* Bump version
[11:10:57] <CIA-55>	03werdna * r38422 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Fix deadlocking with shell out to native parser
[11:11:54] <Werdna>	Oops, there was quite a bit of other stuff in that commit.
[11:12:00] <AaronSchulz>	wee
[11:12:16] *AaronSchulz 	is glad he figured out how to use that sajax stuff
[11:13:20] <Werdna>	yeah, I saw that recently
[11:13:29] <Werdna>	and I was like "hey, cool! I should try that out sometime!"
[11:17:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Requesting FlaggedRevs be enabled on en.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15014 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (brian.mcneil)
[11:17:40] <Reedy>	Werdna, i couldn't possibly pick your brains/get some advice for 5 minutes could i please?
[11:18:27] <Werdna>	absolutely not
[11:19:26] <Werdna>	Reedy: what are you after?
[11:19:33] <Reedy>	lol
[11:19:41] <Addshore>	:P
[11:19:43] <Werdna>	you would like to laugh out loud?
[11:19:47] <Werdna>	You don't need me for that.
[11:19:51] <Reedy>	no, just hang on a minute :P
[11:19:58] <Reedy>	I seem to have an encoding issue with something im doing in php
[11:20:03] <Reedy>	It displays fine if run via shell
[11:20:10] <Reedy>	just when its put onto a webbrowser its borked
[11:20:28] <Reedy>	the utf-8 header and xml header are set
[11:20:32] <Reedy>	http://typoscan.reedyboy.net/
[11:20:40] <Reedy>	its the black backgrounded ?
[11:21:14] <Reedy>	All non english a-z etc are being either simplified (accented a to a), or shown as that black backgrounded question mark
[11:21:19] <Werdna>	what's it supposed to look like?
[11:21:28] <Reedy>	http://pastebin.com/d1356fc0
[11:22:00] <Reedy>	that is what running it via shell shows (what it should be)
[11:22:13] <Werdna>	Reedy: Try copying and pasting, and changing the font.
[11:23:25] <Reedy>	It either changes to ? or stays the same
[11:24:13] <Werdna>	oh wait, duh
[11:24:19] <Werdna>	try utf8_encode( $my_string );
[11:24:56] <Werdna>	I expect that you're advertising UTF-8 encoding, but spitting out ISO-8859 data.
[11:25:12] <Reedy>	Werdna, thankyou!
[11:25:14] <Reedy>	refresh the page :)
[11:26:16] <OverlordQ>	so what about the remaining question marks :P
[11:26:21] <Nikerabbit>	hmm?
[11:26:25] <Reedy>	OverlordQ, blame mboverlord :P
[11:26:39] <Reedy>	Its from the original page list
[11:26:56] <Reedy>	So not my fault atm
[11:27:27] <CIA-55>	03ialex * r38423 10/trunk/extensions/ (5 files in 3 dirs): svn:eol-style native
[11:29:41] <CIA-55>	03vasilievvv * r38424 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Show $wgAddGroups and $wgRemoveGroups on Special:ListGroupRights
[11:31:21] <ialex>	\o/
[11:32:24] <^demon|busy>	Morning all.
[11:32:31] <ialex>	hi ^
[11:32:36] <ialex>	hmm
[11:32:40] <ialex>	hi ^demon|busy 
[11:32:46] <ialex>	:)
[11:33:01] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: Did you forget to set up your auto-props?
[11:34:53] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: yes
[11:35:28] <Werdna>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion/auto-props
[11:35:37] <VasilievVV>	I have them, but under Windows :)
[11:35:54] <VasilievVV>	I know :)
[11:35:56] <^demon>	VasilievVV: I'm on windows too, I have no problems ;-)
[11:37:30] <VasilievVV>	^demon: I set up them on Windows, but I installed Linux for testing AbuseFilter and other Linux stuff and forgot to set up autoproms
[11:37:53] <Werdna>	mmm, abuse filter is pretty sexy :)
[11:37:56] <^demon>	Hehe.
[11:38:27] <ialex>	Werdna: {{POV}} ;)
[11:38:57] <Werdna>	I just have a bit left to do
[11:39:21] <VasilievVV>	Linux is easier than Windows
[11:39:37] <VasilievVV>	On Windows, you have to download all dependaencies
[11:39:52] <VasilievVV>	On Linux, apt-get or something else will take care of it
[11:40:20] <Werdna>	hehe
[11:40:26] <Werdna>	<3 apt-get
[11:40:30] <Werdna>	VasilievVV: type apt-get moo
[11:40:33] <Reedy>	lol
[11:54:59] *VasilievVV 	looks at code he has just written
[11:54:59] <VasilievVV>	Is $settings[$varname][$override['target']][$groupname] = array(); with 8 tabs before it ok?
[11:55:15] <Werdna>	shrug
[11:55:22] <Werdna>	is it, in context, clear what that does?
[11:55:51] <Werdna>	it doesn't look like you can make that any simpler, though.
[11:57:42] <VasilievVV>	Werdna: I simplifired it using $setting = &$settings[$varname]; and $grp = &$setting[$override['target']][$groupname]; since I use it multiple timnes
[11:58:17] <Werdna>	fair enough
[11:58:21] *VasilievVV 	looks at the window
[11:58:21] <VasilievVV>	I can see nothing further than 200 meters because of rain
[11:58:51] <AaronSchulz>	ahh, there was a nice lightning storm last night
[11:59:13] <VasilievVV>	And my APC is switching between "electricity", "no electircity" and "low electricity" mode. I feel the rain will break my roof soon :)
[12:11:15] <CIA-55>	03nikerabbit * r38425 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ffs/Gettext.php: 
[12:11:16] <CIA-55>	* Add u to regexp just to be safe even if non-ascii flags are unlikely
[12:11:16] <CIA-55>	* Fixed a bug where messages were not parsed because the exported files have X-Message-Group which triggered "use ctxt as id" codepath, which obviously failed for
[12:11:16] <CIA-55>	normal po files. Worked around by disabling that code path, because poimport.php doesn't even yet use this class.
[12:17:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make DPL extension aware of FlaggedRevs for use on Wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14943  +comment (10tooby87)
[12:40:31] <CIA-55>	03vasilievvv * r38426 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/WebRequest.php): 
[12:40:31] <CIA-55>	* Fix WebRequest.php
[12:40:31] <CIA-55>	* Add RELEASE-NOTES for my previous commit
[12:42:55] <Nikerabbit>	VasilievVV: mm quite cryptic
[12:43:08] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38427 10/trunk/phase3/includes/User.php: Create User::getGroupsInRoles(). Given an array of roles (edit, read, delete), return the groups allowed to do each.
[12:43:19] <VasilievVV>	Nikerabbit: ?
[12:43:37] <Nikerabbit>	VasilievVV: fix how? what was broken?
[12:44:00] <VasilievVV>	Nikerabbit: $basequery was undefined
[12:47:18] <Werdna>	 you should put that in your commit massage.
[12:59:53] <wikibugs>	03(mod)  Cite anchors should be numbered starting at 1 to correspond with on-screen labels - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10537  +comment (10tim)
[13:06:21] <CIA-55>	03ialex * r38428 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
[13:06:21] <CIA-55>	Fixes for r38424:
[13:06:21] <CIA-55>	* $wgAddGroups[$group] can be true if the user can add all rights, show this in Special:ListGroupRights
[13:06:21] <CIA-55>	* added messages to messages.inc
[13:06:21] <CIA-55>	Somehow related:
[13:06:22] <CIA-55>	* Setting $wgAddGroups = $wgRemoveGroups = array(); in DefaultSettings.php seems to put a reference between these two variables.
[13:08:35] <Werdna>	^demon: what's the use for that new method?
[13:09:54] <VasilievVV>	How to describe meaning of $wgAddGroups and $wgRemoveGroups in a few words?
[13:10:06] <VasilievVV>	Something like "Groups that specific groups may add or remove"
[13:10:30] <Werdna>	What context?
[13:10:46] <VasilievVV>	List of settings available to change
[13:11:29] <Werdna>	I'd put it in the same place as $wgGroupPermissions
[13:11:43] <VasilievVV>	Good idea
[13:12:18] <Werdna>	Group modification: Allow users in this group to do the following modifications of user group membership:
[13:12:26] <Werdna>	Can add users to: [checkboxes]
[13:12:32] <Werdna>	Can remove users from: [checkboxex]
[13:14:57] <^demon>	Werdna: I was thinking for Special:Listgrouprights, allowing to sort by right, rather than sort-by-group :-)
[13:15:04] <^demon>	Also, something I'm playing with for the API.
[13:15:18] <Werdna>	interesting
[13:15:29] <Werdna>	could also be used in the badaccess-groups-x messages
[13:18:54] <^demon>	Werdna: Plus, there was already a "get permissions by group" method. I figured the reverse made sense ;-)
[13:19:34] <CIA-55>	03nikerabbit * r38429 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAm.php: * Fixing namespaces (constants instead of strings)
[13:21:57] <Werdna>	gah, compiling takes forever
[13:22:09] <CIA-55>	03nikerabbit * r38430 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/SpecialMagic.php: * Fixed a bug that causes invalid export which was fixed in r38429
[13:28:47] <CIA-55>	03nikerabbit * r38431 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesIa.php: 
[13:28:47] <CIA-55>	* Removing linktrail which doesn't make any sense
[13:28:47] <CIA-55>	* Adding number separators by the request of McDutchie@Betawiki
[13:34:31] <CIA-55>	03jhsoby * r38432 10/trunk/extensions/ (CentralAuth/CentralAuth.php Translate/aliases.txt): 
[13:34:31] <CIA-55>	* Adding special page name aliases to CentralAuth
[13:34:31] <CIA-55>	* Changing default name of Special:GlobalGroupMembership to Special:GlobalUserRights
[13:34:57] <CIA-55>	03jhsoby * r38433 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.alias.php: * Adding the alias file as well
[13:35:56] <guyvdb>	???is it possible to catch a fatal out of memory exception, clean up some data and continue execution?
[13:36:38] <OverlordQ>	without hacking php? I doubt it.
[13:36:46] <guyvdb>	that sucks
[13:36:47] <ialex>	guyvdb: i don't think
[13:36:58] <guyvdb>	:'(
[13:37:08] <OverlordQ>	tis why they're called fatal errors, not "KindaFatal" errors
[13:37:17] <voraistos1>	Hi, do you know where i could grab the monobook theme so i can customize it ?
[13:37:22] <Werdna>	svn
[13:37:24] <Werdna>	!svn
[13:37:24] --mwbot--	Subversion is a version control software that allows users to download the very latest version of a branch without having to wait for someone to get around to packaging it. Advantages to using Subversion include the latest version, vastly simplified updating, the ability to roll back an upgrade, the ability to create and submit patches. See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Subversion for more information.
[13:37:34] <guyvdb>	OverlordQ: in Java I can catch an outofmemoryexception
[13:37:41] <guyvdb>	it's not inconceivable
[13:37:52] <voraistos1>	thanks.
[13:37:53] <OverlordQ>	there's a big difference between exceptions and fatal errors
[13:37:58] *^demon 	pegs his error reporting up to E_KINDA_FATAL
[13:38:12] <voraistos1>	however, both suck :D
[13:38:33] *voraistos1 	is talking about exceptions and fatal errors.
[13:39:13] <guyvdb>	i find php so limiting
[13:39:50] <voraistos1>	that reminds me of a story i wrote for french class. One of the characters made a "fatal error". The teacher commented that my speech was too "microsoft" for her taste lol
[13:40:26] <voraistos1>	guyvdb you should try python/zope/plone then.
[13:42:57] <^demon>	guyvdb: It has its moments. :-)
[13:45:22] <CIA-55>	03werdna * r38434 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.parser.php: Fix some erroneous deprecated pass-by-reference syntax
[13:51:42] <CIA-55>	03werdna * r38435 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (3 files): Fix more deprecated pass-by-reference syntax
[13:57:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting FlaggedRevs be enabled on en.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15014  +comment (10paul)
[14:11:56] <jftsang>	hello
[14:12:06] <jftsang>	how do I change the special pages
[14:14:38] <ialex>	jftsang: what do you mean by "change the special pages"?
[14:15:50] <jftsang>	for example, change what is displayed on them, for example, put extra text
[14:15:57] <jftsang>	or put PHP code
[14:17:42] <ialex>	text can be changed with MediaWiki: messages
[14:18:39] <ialex>	if you want to change the code, look at includes/Special*.php (<=1.12) or includes/specials/Special*.php (1.13)
[14:19:28] <jftsang>	thanks
[14:20:28] <CIA-55>	03rainman * r38436 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php): * (bug 14972) Use localized alias of Special:Search consistently (on all search forms)
[14:20:33] <jftsang>	presumably then, I can also make a new special page and put it there?
[14:22:05] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Use localized alias of Special:Search consistently - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14972  +comment (10rainman)
[14:22:47] <ialex>	jftsang: see an extension that add new special page
[14:23:00] <ialex>	(you don't need to put it there)
[14:23:53] <jftsang>	ok, what's the extension called?
[14:32:11] <ialex>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages
[14:38:50] <Nikerabbit>	rainman-sr: are you passing title object to Xml??
[14:39:02] <Nikerabbit>	isn't that going to break in some versions of php?
[14:41:00] <rainman-sr>	hmm
[14:43:23] <jf_n>	hi, is there a possibility to copy all contents of one wiki into another?
[14:43:58] <jf_n>	or: merging two wikis into one
[14:51:54] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38437 10/trunk/phase3/includes/api/ApiMain.php: Tweak the version info for MW just a bit, bring it more in line with the module listings in terms of formatting.
[14:51:56] <hippietrail>	the api query limits seem a bit nondeterministic - anybody know more about them?
[14:53:07] <hippietrail>	any api.php people here?
[14:54:02] <CIA-55>	03rainman * r38438 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php: 
[14:54:02] <CIA-55>	Seems we cannot relay on __toString() to do its job on all PHP versions, now gets prefixedText() the safe way.
[14:54:02] <CIA-55>	Thanks Nikerabbit for pointing it out.
[14:56:20] <CIA-55>	03rainman * r38439 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialSearch.php: Whoops, committed this by mistake.
[15:00:40] <CIA-55>	03rainman * r38440 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Another shot at bug 11035, added descriptive HTML title in standard page format.
[15:01:03] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Questions about technical practicability - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15015 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (vanger)
[15:01:07] <hippietrail>	is there a javascript example for api.php login?
[15:02:47] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Special:Search should have descriptive <title> - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11035  +comment (10rainman)
[15:29:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Language code of Taiwanese/Holo, Cantonese, Classical Chinese Wikipedias - 10http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8217  +comment (10klneast)
[15:30:41] <siebrand>	^demon: same error just occured. PHP Warning:  file_get_contents(http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?titles=Image%3ATim+Shell+Wikimedia.jpg&amp;iiprop=timestamp%7Cuser%7Ccomment%7Curl%7Csize%7Csha1%7Cmetadata%7Cmime&amp;format=json&amp;action=query&amp;prop=imageinfo) [<a href='function.file-get-contents'>function.file-get-contents</a>]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error
[15:31:20] <^demon>	siebrand: I'm about to head out for awhile. Can you shoot me that in an e-mail so I'll remember to look later?
[15:31:27] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: hmm
[15:33:08] <siebrand>	^demon: 'a while' as in 'days/week', or a few hours? In case of the latter: just bug me again.
[15:33:24] <siebrand>	^demon: in case of the former: anyone else who works on it?
[15:33:29] <^demon>	Probably not tonight. Tomorrow most likely :-)
[15:33:39] <siebrand>	^demon: np.
[15:33:48] <^demon>	And Brion's really the only other person who plays with ForeignAPIRepo stuff.
[15:33:51] <siebrand>	^demon: will keep trying to find out how to repro it.
[15:36:29] <^demon>	VasilievVV: Poke poke. Did you ever start playing around with bug 14025?
[15:37:03] <adambro>	quick mw question, for users who don't have the right to move pages on a wiki, is it possible to still give them the "move" tab but redirect to another page explaining why the can't move pages?
[15:38:38] <hippietrail>	i can't find info on api's limits for action=query without revisions
[15:39:44] <^demon>	hippietrail: depends on the query. For sysops and bots, it's 5000 for fast queries and 500 for slow. For regular users, it's 500 for fast and 50 for slow.
[15:40:07] <^demon>	for sysops and bots, it's because they have the apihighlimits role.
[15:41:01] <hippietrail>	^demon: where is it documented? at the moment i'm working on my code but later i might get it to log in as me to get my sysop limit. but if i can find docs i'll be able to make it smart in the case that limits change for some sites at some times
[15:41:24] <^demon>	It's not well documented :(
[15:41:35] <hippietrail>	and for instance what determines whether a query is a fast or slow one
[15:42:40] <hippietrail>	i'm just doing action=query&titles=...&redirects which i might've assumed was fast since i'm not requesting the actual revision text
[15:45:31] <hippietrail>	i want to avoid hardcoding values into my code if it can find them deterministically somewhere
[15:46:48] <hippietrail>	^demon: this is the best info i can find: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Specifying_titles
[15:47:47] <hippietrail>	but the docs are unclear that the titles limit is a different beast to the limits talked about here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Limits
[15:48:00] <hippietrail>	if i grok it that is
[15:48:27] <^demon>	I don't really know :(
[15:51:03] <hippietrail>	thanks anywhere i'll do some experiments and comment on the talk pages
[15:55:29] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) 'Templates used on this page' list in view source should be wrapped in a div with class "templatesUsed" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15016 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (b-jorsch)
[16:03:27] <VasilievVV>	^demon: I had some work done, but I'm not sure if I have it now and I abandoned it a while ago
[16:06:21] <hugge>	Hello guys, im quite new on this wiki-stuff, anyone got a good example on how to mark a document as "probably outdated, needs some more work before its considered as done"
[16:08:01] <hugge>	ist just so dull to write it in the header of the page, i want something that looks good :)
[16:10:12] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38441 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.js: JS fix
[16:11:13] <hugge>	i looked abit at the stub-tempplates and such but its not exactly what im looking for
[16:11:56] <hugge>	The ideal would be if all hyperlinks to a outdated page could be marked somehow, perhaps with a flashing exclamation-mark or such.
[16:13:03] <AaronSchulz>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
[16:13:05] <AaronSchulz>	hehe
[16:13:26] <AaronSchulz>	Jhs-: :)
[16:14:08] <CIA-55>	03demon * r38442 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Tweaking description for apihighlimits, as people are constantly asking what the limits are.
[16:18:02] <Jhs->	AaronSchulz, i'm making the most awesomest skin in the history of MediaWiki. but it takes some testing.
[16:18:15] <Jhs->	or well, i'm adapting modern.css
[16:18:17] <Jhs->	but same shit
[16:18:21] <AaronSchulz>	it better be awesome :D
[16:18:30] <Jhs->	yup :D
[16:19:52] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: no changing numbers in messages please
[16:23:17] <^demon>	Nikerabbit: They're not changing. They're class constants, not set by config :-)
[16:23:57] <Nikerabbit>	^demon: and when someone changes those... all translations are invalid
[16:25:23] <^demon>	I'll poke it later. Naptime.
[16:25:38] *Dantman 	wonders why named variables can't be used instead
[16:25:53] <^demon|sleep>	Dantman: It's more fun to memorize what params $1-7 mean ;-)
[16:26:01] <^demon|sleep>	Later everyone.
[16:26:03] <Dantman>	heh
[16:32:55] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: compacter syntax
[16:33:03] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: and more incentive to really document them properly
[16:33:03] <Dantman>	bah
[16:33:28] <Nikerabbit>	the con being slighty worse usability
[16:41:40] <guyvdb>	is there an api to easily get articles from wikipedia as wikicode?
[16:48:06] <guyvdb>	there seems to be an api for everything except receiving the actual pages?
[16:49:59] <Dantman>	&action=query&prop=revisions
[16:50:29] <BarkerJr>	one of the extensions needs updating in the svn... how can I do that?
[16:56:15] <Dantman>	What extension?
[17:04:00] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38443 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/ReaderFeedback_body.php: Better error handling
[17:04:08] <BarkerJr>	glossary
[17:04:41] <BarkerJr>	it needs a single line added to it, for compatibility with the javascript library it uses
[17:26:04] <Subfader>	How is the user option "editondblclick" working? No info on the website. At least not working when i double click an article link
[17:29:19] <Skizzerz>	Subfader: I thought it's if you double-click the article itself, not the link
[17:30:48] <Subfader>	oh. yes. how useless since the edit link is on top (saves you 2 clicks. pos1 + edit). it would be useful to edit it by double clicking the articles link e.g. when you're in a category for maintenance work...
[17:33:47] <Subfader>	well i use it anyway :) i was happy when i found the option and disappointed that it wasn't what i look for. I'd liek to have such a gadget: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Subfader#Gadget:_Edit_.26_Move_A_Lot_.5B25.E2.82.AC.5D
[17:38:38] <CIA-55>	03leon * r38444 10/trunk/extensions/SelectCategory/SelectCategoryFunctions.php: 
[17:38:38] <CIA-55>	* Made the SelectCategory extension work with categories containing spaces in their names
[17:38:38] <CIA-55>	* Fixed a possible raw sql injection error
[18:03:14] <ronparker1>	hi
[18:08:59] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38445 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/CentralAuth.alias.php: Add Arabic (ar)
[18:09:17] <siebrand>	Dantman: ping?
[18:09:55] <Charitwo>	siebrand: ^
[18:10:48] <siebrand>	Charitwo: you're here 3 times?
[18:11:11] <Charitwo>	i was pointing to dantman's new nick, seeing as how the other one appeared to have timed out
[18:11:37] <siebrand>	Charitwo: ah. :)
[18:11:38] <Dantman>	:/ Damn connection
[18:11:50] *siebrand 	comforts Dantman.
[18:12:02] <Dantman>	heh... I don't need comfort... I need a laptop...
[18:12:24] <siebrand>	Dantman: trying to make an AdSense extension using SkinBuildSidebar.
[18:12:39] <Dantman>	Mkay
[18:12:42] <siebrand>	Dantman: but I am kindof a php noob.
[18:13:06] <siebrand>	Dantman: got the skeleton for the extension, but filling the methods is always the hardest thing for me :)
[18:13:37] <Dantman>	siebrand: http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/mediawiki-extensions/trunk/SidebarDonateBox/SidebarDonateBox.php?view=markup
[18:14:17] <Dantman>	The only real /work/ you'll need to do is adapt something to work with adsense options
[18:15:06] <CIA-55>	03mfarag * r38446 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesAr.php: Update
[18:15:13] <siebrand>	Dantman: can you give me your value for $egSidebarDonateBoxContent;?
[18:15:40] <Dantman>	^_^ Exacly what I coppied from the PayPal button factory
[18:16:10] <siebrand>	Dantman: ok, lemme prepare a pasty.
[18:16:12] <Nikerabbit>	Goooooooooooooood eveeeeeeeeeeeeening all!
[18:16:22] <Dantman>	So likewise you'll use the code that the AdSense generator outputs, and have an option to substitute in a id for the account
[18:16:37] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: wow, you must be in a good mood :)
[18:16:46] <Dantman>	heh
[18:17:10] <AzaTht>	A Schr??dinger bug is a bug that disappears as soon as an developer looks at it; An Heisenberg bug is an Schr??dinger bug that will reappears as soon the developer closes the bug replort
[18:17:13] <AzaTht>	report*
[18:19:26] <Dantman>	heh
[18:19:59] <siebrand>	AzaTht: sounds familiar.
[18:20:31] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: mmm
[18:20:59] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: yeah I'm very happy that I've not managed to piss off anybody today
[18:22:02] <siebrand>	Nikerabbit: hmm. Do you usually do that? Haven't noticed.
[18:22:58] <Nikerabbit>	siebrand: probably because I whine a lot
[18:26:44] <siebrand>	Dantman: http://rafb.net/p/MZUzFx13.html
[18:27:06] <siebrand>	Dantman: haven't bothered to try and load it yet, as it probably does not even compile.
[18:27:21] <Dantman>	ADWORDS, why not ADSENSE?
[18:27:35] <siebrand>	Dantman: typo
[18:27:59] <siebrand>	Dantman: anyway, that should be $wgGoogleAdSensePortletHeader.
[18:28:20] <Dantman>	I don't see why
[18:28:42] <siebrand>	Dantman: hmm, ok. I 5though that would make the header of the portlet?
[18:28:48] <Dantman>	that's what we have the MediaWiki: namespace for
[18:29:33] <siebrand>	Dantman: ah, right. Didn't know that.
[18:29:36] <Dantman>	Also... the class is overly useles...
[18:29:49] <Dantman>	Just stick with a function
[18:30:05] <Dantman>	In this case little is gained by offloading it...
[18:30:38] <siebrand>	Dantman: hmm. Guess you're right. Only not loaded when using API, I guess.
[18:30:58] <siebrand>	Dantman: still, will keep it in :)
[18:31:14] <Dantman>	Well... that and the code is so puny it's probably more work to include the other file than it is to define the simple function
[18:31:24] <siebrand>	Dantman: so $bar['GOOGLEADSENSEPORTLET'] will be filled with MediaWiki:Googleadsenseportlet?
[18:31:31] <Dantman>	probably
[18:32:06] <Dantman>	I don't know if the capitalization will call for the use of MediaWiki:GOOGLEADSENSEPORTLET, or if it'll be lcased
[18:32:58] <siebrand>	Dantman: don't think so (at least, haven't seen it used like that)
[18:56:29] <HD|Laptop>	hello. unfortunately unilinky's settings database got lost. this includes URL parameters and expansion disabling for this channel. if you need assistance with restoring the settings, query HardDisk_WP or use /msg unilinky help. sorry for the inconvenience
[19:01:03] <siebrand>	Dantman: am giving things a test drive... Running into a strict notice: Strict Standards: Non-static method GoogleAdSense::SkinBuildSidebar() cannot be called statically in D:\mediawiki\phase3\includes\Hooks.php on line 117
[19:01:35] <siebrand>	Dantman: just using "function SkinBuildSidebar( $skin, &$bar ) {". Fix how?
[19:01:52] <Dantman>	fix your $wfHooks
[19:02:09] <Dantman>	Ohwait
[19:02:18] <Dantman>	I thought you meant you removed it from the class
[19:02:25] <Dantman>	static function ...
[19:02:42] <Dantman>	need to declare the method as static
[19:03:08] <Dantman>	^_^ Don't worry... I'm king of strict standards bugs...
[19:03:33] <Dantman>	They creap into my core commits without me knowing... heh
[19:03:40] <siebrand>	Dantman: thanks. Well, we currently report all errors to channel for Betawiki, so I don't like them :)
[19:04:01] <Dantman>	heh
[19:04:12] <siebrand>	Dantman: hmm, in that case you should probably set error_reporting( E_ALL | E_STRICT );
[19:04:13] <Dantman>	oohh... betawiki...
[19:04:31] <Dantman>	Nah... I consider my box to be production in these cases
[19:04:52] <Dantman>	the dev wiki runs off the same php as the normal sites
[19:05:20] <siebrand>	Dantman: hmm. You can just add that line in the LocalSettings.php of your dev wiki.
[19:05:32] <Dantman>	meh
[19:05:43] <Dantman>	I suppose, never thought of that
[19:06:03] <Dantman>	^_^ though I don't doubt that I'll start getting red lines on all my pages
[19:06:31] <siebrand>	Dantman: that's a good thing, actually.
[19:06:52] <Dantman>	On a sinde note...
[19:07:18] <siebrand>	Dantman: for production you can use something like:
[19:07:19] <Dantman>	who was it in /charge/ of betawiki? I had a query I wanted to make on the backburner
[19:07:20] <siebrand>	ini_set( 'error_log', '/var/log/betawiki/error_log' );
[19:07:26] <siebrand>	ini_set( 'display_errors',          0);
[19:07:32] <siebrand>	ini_set( 'ignore_repeated_errors',  1);
[19:07:33] <Dantman>	;) I already have errors logged
[19:07:36] <siebrand>	ini_set( 'log_errors',              1);
[19:07:49] <Dantman>	^_^ That's how I know I'm likely going to get red errors on every page
[19:07:50] <Dantman>	heh
[19:07:55] <siebrand>	Dantman: also with error_reporting( E_ALL | E_STRICT );
[19:08:37] <siebrand>	Dantman: it will probably also improve your code quality with little effort.
[19:09:29] <siebrand>	Dantman: Nikerabbit and I are in charge. MinuteElectron, LeonWP have shell. jhs and Raymond_ will probably have shell soon.
[19:09:47] <Dantman>	mkay...
[19:11:17] <Dantman>	someone noted that betawiki can translate for just about anything, not just Wikimedia's SVN repo... I just generally asked what was allowed into betawiki as a general, just got a reply that for the most part as long as something is open-source...
[19:11:24] <siebrand>	Dantman: which query?
[19:11:44] <Dantman>	I've got my own SVN repo, wondering if betawiki can support it to...
[19:12:06] <siebrand>	Dantman: that's correct.
[19:12:30] <siebrand>	Dantman: for mediawiki we would like to stick to the repo at svn.wikimedia.org.
[19:13:15] <siebrand>	Dantman: unless you are prepared to play an active role in the commits. We are looking into providing middle ware to enable web approval for commits.
[19:13:31] <siebrand>	Dantman: by means of Transifex.
[19:14:04] <Dantman>	well that's not really an issue... I'd either have to go to the trouble of giving out access, or do it myself anyways...
[19:15:06] <siebrand>	Dantman: have to watch the Sex and the City movie now with the wife... Can you write up a proposal and some context on Betawiki somewhere? We'll see what we can do.
[19:15:47] <siebrand>	Dantman: but please also consider to use svn.wikimedia.org as a repo. Having things together gives more exposure...
[19:16:22] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[19:16:58] <Dantman>	auto-updates, and better support for checkout of the extensions I work on... those are focal reasons why I use my own repo
[19:17:27] <Dantman>	All my extensions actually work in either /extensions/ExtensionName or /extensions/wiki-tools/ExtensionName
[19:17:43] <Dantman>	((Though actually, they are generally coded to work anywhere))
[19:17:48] <Nikerabbit>	doesn't svn support some kind of external repositories?
[19:18:07] <Dantman>	Yes... though it's a horrid feature
[19:18:17] <Dantman>	what for?
[19:18:20] <ronparker1>	Help please, how to add/enable the Right box on each article? like the red box at right here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wiklets
[19:20:49] <Nikerabbit>	Dantman: dunno
[19:20:54] <CIA-55>	03skizzerz * r38447 10/trunk/extensions/WatchSubpages/WatchSubpages_body.php: * bugfix, it did not test to see if the user had access to it, so unprivileged users could still use the page
[19:23:59] <Dantman>	Take a look at http://wiki-tools.com/wiki/SwarmExport yet it's lack of code in http://wiki-tools.com/edit/SwarmExport
[19:25:15] <Dantman>	I go for an ease of use and clean standardization which wouldn't work out at MediaWiki.org, or with the SVN repo
[19:25:17] <Dantman>	actually...
[19:26:46] <Dantman>	http://svn.nadir-point.com/viewvc/mediawiki-extensions/branches/stable.tar.gz <- I use one of ViewVC's features I don't believe Wikimeda has enabled, it makes for great accessibility for people who use the extensions
[19:31:10] <ronparker1>	Help please, how to add/enable the Right box on each article? like the red box at right here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wiklets
[19:31:51] <BarkerJr>	that's a template
[19:39:22] <Nikerabbit>	hello
[19:40:32] <Neur0n_>	hi everybody there
[19:40:38] <Neur0n_>	good evening!
[19:41:27] <Nikerabbit>	night almost
[19:42:11] <Neur0n_>	sure
[19:42:47] <siebrand>	Dantman: see www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ExtensionDistributor...
[19:43:12] <siebrand>	Dantman: (without the trailing dots :P)
[19:43:51] <Dantman>	I know... though that's misleading
[19:46:02] <Neur0n_>	I am getting a mistake in my page
[19:46:22] <Neur0n_>	in www.neurohost.org
[19:46:39] <Neur0n_>	would anybody be so kind to give me a piece of help with that
[19:46:43] <Neur0n_>	i have no idea what happened
[19:46:51] <Neur0n_>	yesterday was running perfectly
[19:49:09] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38448 10/trunk/phase3/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move wfSupportsAjax() to ajax.js
[19:50:09] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38449 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/flaggedrevs.js: 
[19:50:09] <CIA-55>	* Unlock form as needed
[19:50:09] <CIA-55>	* Update per r38448, remove dup ajax function
[19:51:08] <Dantman>	Extensions like SemanticMediaWiki use actual tagging that isn't caught by ExtensionDistributor
[19:52:12] <Dantman>	And the way it lists things is fairly misleading... it tags things as 'For' certain versions of MediaWiki... but those are merely what branched code was working at the point in time of the commit...
[19:53:52] <Neur0n_>	:)
[19:54:02] <Dantman>	The branched stuff is far from 'For' a version of MW... it works, but it's stagnated code... missing updates which actually may be meant for that version of MW, even worse security stuff
[19:55:12] <CIA-55>	03mark * r38450 10/trunk/routing/twistedbgp/src/ (bgp.py test.py): Primitive support for sending UPDATEs
[19:55:31] <Dantman>	I do stable releases of my code, inside of /branches/stable/ in my repo... I can actually say those are 'the' stable  things to checkout, which isn't the case for the branches of extensions
[19:56:03] <Neur0n_>	this was not for me, wasn't it?
[19:56:14] <jlerner>	guyvdb: use action=raw
[19:56:35] <jlerner>	http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=raw
[19:56:58] <guyvdb>	thanks!
[19:59:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Requesting FlaggedRevs be enabled on en.wikinews - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15014  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:01:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Flagging revision should use AJAX - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14003  (10JSchulz_4587)
[20:06:28] <Neur0n_>	does anybody of you have an idea about the following error?
[20:06:52] <Neur0n_>	
[20:07:22] <Neur0n_>	/mounted-storage/home52a/sub/sc.../includes/WebResponse.php on line10
[20:07:33] <Neur0n_>	it's an error in my index.php
[20:08:03] <codeispoetry>	AaronSchulz: could you give me a pointer to the "reader feedback stuff"?
[20:08:55] <AaronSchulz>	it was supposed to be on testwp and labs, but some old redhat boxes make it hard to enable gd
[20:09:52] <codeispoetry>	ok
[20:11:37] <CIA-55>	03aaron * r38451 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Add &redirect=no to tab
[20:13:58] <Wegge>	Neur0n_ Yoy have added some text outside <?php ... ?> in some file.
[20:14:38] <Wegge>	Probably after the closing ?> in LocalSettings.php
[20:21:02] <Neur0n_>	nop
[20:21:25] <Neur0n_>	Wegge: but sometimes people edit my files and then the site is disrupted
[20:21:28] <Neur0n_>	like this time
[20:21:46] <Neur0n_>	I will have a look
[20:21:47] <Wegge>	Somewhere else then - the error indicates that php cannot change the response header, because output has already happened
[20:22:28] <DarkoNeko>	...check if you ssaved your file in ANSI mode
[20:22:36] <DarkoNeko>	if utf8 or something, that error happens too
[20:23:17] <Neur0n_>	okis
[20:25:01] <Neur0n_>	hum..
[20:26:18] <Neur0n_>	I think I will try the old copy of my index.php
[20:27:05] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38452 10/trunk/extensions/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Google AdSense extension using hook SkinBuildSidebar
[20:28:37] <silentace>	hello everyone, i got a question. i only have one account on my install of mediawiki (sysop/buerocrat) and now i have manually disabled registration so that only i can modify the pages. I also made it to were all other groups can't read the site at all (i am basically using this for a nice portable notes/info page for myself) how secure do you think this is?
[20:29:09] <silentace>	is it possibly with enough knowledge for someone to get into my site still? like if i put sensitive information there do you think it can still be found?
[20:29:35] <DarkoNeko>	dunno, check http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions ?
[20:30:46] <DarkoNeko>	mediawiki isn't primarly designed to protect data, so it's always at your own risk
[20:30:50] <DarkoNeko>	...I suppose
[20:33:15] <silentace>	thanks
[21:14:41] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38453 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.php: No longer hide Special:Allmessages
[21:32:20] <jftsang>	Hi
[21:32:33] <jftsang>	when I'm trying to do math on my wiki, I get "Failed to parse (PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex, dvips, gs, and convert): 2 + 2 = 4"
[21:32:50] <jftsang>	texvc is installed
[21:32:56] <jftsang>	latex is installed, gs is installed
[21:35:39] <DarkoNeko>	have you activated all the error trace systeme ?
[21:36:20] <jftsang>	all-clear now
[21:36:24] <jftsang>	but error trace system?
[21:37:55] <DarkoNeko>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker
[21:38:08] <DarkoNeko>	oops, wrong link
[21:38:12] <DarkoNeko>	wait a minute
[21:39:03] <DarkoNeko>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_debug here
[21:39:32] <DarkoNeko>	the 3 first var should be enough
[21:41:39] <DarkoNeko>	you should hav ea much more precise info about the source of that problem
[21:45:29] <boogieman>	hi, anyone knows if there is a "live chat" that i can add to mediawiki ??
[21:49:25] <VasilVV>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/List_of_extension_to_be_merged_to_the_core
[21:50:09] <boogieman>	;/
[21:50:10] <Charitwo>	extensions*
[21:50:12] <boogieman>	:/
[21:53:16] <DarkoNeko>	err
[21:53:32] <DarkoNeko>	try a link to mibbit with a channel of your choice pre-entered ?
[21:53:51] <DarkoNeko>	why looking for complications ?
[21:58:16] <gouki>	Can anyone tell me where do I changed the options I configured when I first installed MediaWiki? Specifically, the email address used by the system. Thank you.
[21:58:30] <gouki>	s/changed/change
[22:26:16] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Error in refreshlinks.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14841  +comment (10lugusto)
[22:35:25] <siebrand>	Hmm, should NewestPages be considered obsolete? (Special:NewPages)
[22:36:10] <siebrand>	Only extra functionality it appears to have is being able to show/hide redirects.
[22:49:46] <Dantman>	The extension?
[22:50:16] <Dantman>	I believe that had the advantage that it did not use the recent changes, and thus the contents of the special page do not dissapear when the rc rows do
[22:51:01] <Dantman>	I heared that a lot of smaller sites installed the extension for that very reason
[22:51:06] <siebrand>	Dantman: yeah, well, it had its own table :)
[22:52:00] <siebrand>	Dantman: isn't RC keep configurable?
[22:53:14] <Dantman>	Yes... but it still expires nonetheless
[22:53:32] <Dantman>	It is quite possible for a wiki to go over that even if they extend it to over a month
[22:54:51] <Nikerabbit>	huh?
[23:02:47] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Static HTML dumps for non-Wikipedia projects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15017 15enhancement; normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (lugusto)
[23:13:58] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Limiting which namespaces can be searched - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15018 15enhancement; normal; MediaWiki: Search; (Emufarmers)
[23:16:58] <Freddy1990>	Hello, I'm hoping to get a mediawiki installation on my server, however, I'd like to keep it automatically updated, now I was adviced not to have my server use the development svn in it's autoupdater to avoid unstable version, so I'm hoping to use the tags... However, I'm somewhat confused how to get the latest stable version...
[23:17:22] <Freddy1990>	If I follow the naming scheme then I end up with the release candidate of version 1.13, while the currect release is 1.12 ...
[23:20:01] <gouki>	Can anyone tell me where do I change the options I configured when I first installed MediaWiki? Specifically, the email address used by the system. Thank you.
[23:20:25] <Reedy>	gouki, LocalSettings.php ?
[23:20:45] <gouki>	Reedy, thank you.
[23:20:54] <Reedy>	Fr3d, you'd have to periodically get it to update to the newest tag
[23:21:09] <Reedy>	oops
[23:21:27] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38454 10/trunk/extensions/GoogleAdSense/GoogleAdSense.class.php: Return true instead of $bar.
[23:21:47] <Freddy1990>	gouki, you meant me?
[23:22:13] <Lady_Aleena>	Is there a way to check to see if one or another page exists?
[23:22:23] <gouki>	Freddy1990, no, I meant Reedy. Who answered my question.
[23:22:32] <Reedy>	Lady_Aleena, isnt there {{ifexists}} parser function?
[23:22:46] <Lady_Aleena>	Reedy, yes, that is what I am planning on using.
[23:23:13] <Lady_Aleena>	{{#ifexists:pagename or pagename|stuff|other stuff}}
[23:23:17] <Lady_Aleena>	Would that work?
[23:23:33] <Reedy>	dont think so
[23:23:54] <Reedy>	{{#ifexists:pagename|{{#ifexists:pagename|stuff|other stuff}}other stuff}}
[23:24:04] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38455 10/trunk/extensions/AutomaticGroups/: Remove AutomaticGroups. Obsolete since 3 February 2008 (r30477). Last available code can be found in 1.13 branch.
[23:24:05] <Reedy>	or something
[23:24:09] <Skizzerz>	ifexist, it's singular ;)
[23:24:10] <Reedy>	cant remember which way round they are
[23:24:50] <Reedy>	{{#ifexists:pagename|stuff|{{#ifexists:pagename|stuff|other stuff}}}}
[23:24:58] <Reedy>	if the first exists do something
[23:25:09] <Lady_Aleena>	Actually, I need if one or the other exists, something happens.
[23:25:11] <Reedy>	else if the 2nd exists, then do something else do a 3rd thing
[23:25:44] <Skizzerz>	you could always do a switch on a bitfield result of the page's existance
[23:26:03] <Freddy1990>	Is there a way to find what revision in the developers svn the actual release a version was?
[23:26:04] <Skizzerz>	but that's if you want something to happen for every possible case
[23:26:06] <Lady_Aleena>	Will an or work in an {{#if}}?
[23:26:31] <Skizzerz>	Freddy1990: yes, use the /branch/ directory instead of the /trunk/ directory :)
[23:27:08] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38456 10/trunk/extensions/LuceneSearch/: Remove LuceneSearch. Obsolete since 22 March 2008 (r32332). Last available code can be found in 1.13 branch.
[23:27:09] <Skizzerz>	Lady_Aleena: try this: {{#if:{{#ifexist:pagename1|1}}{{#ifexist:pagename2|1}}|at least one of them exists|neither of them exist}}
[23:27:29] <Lady_Aleena>	Skizzerz, YES!
[23:28:20] <Skizzerz>	:)
[23:28:26] <Lady_Aleena>	Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!
[23:28:53] <Nikerabbit>	dot com
[23:29:13] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38457 10/trunk/extensions/SubpageList/: Remove SubpageList. Obsolete since 10 February 2008 (r30807). Last available code can be found in 1.13 branch.
[23:30:52] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38458 10/trunk/extensions/Userip/: Remove Userip. Obsolete since 29 December 2007 (r29006). Last available code can be found in 1.13 branch.
[23:31:16] <Lady_Aleena>	Nikerabbit, what dot com?
[23:32:25] <Freddy1990>	Is there a bridge for MediaWiki 1.12 to use an smf database?
[23:32:43] <Reedy>	you mean combined auth?
[23:33:02] <Freddy1990>	yea
[23:33:16] <Skizzerz>	not that I know of
[23:34:19] <Freddy1990>	ugh, I do'nt want to have to go modify the whole thing myself, there's limits to me enjoying php -_-"
[23:35:27] <Schroeder3>	I'M OSCAR!
[23:35:29] <Schroeder3>	DOT COM!
[23:35:42] <Freddy1990>	...
[23:38:56] <CIA-55>	03leon * r38459 10/trunk/extensions/SelectCategory/SelectCategoryFunctions.php: * Make SelectCategory survice category loops
[23:39:21] <Lady_Aleena>	I was about to ask someone to check to make sure that I have everything properly closed, I think I do, but I don't have any software that does bracket matching, yet. The thing is that the code is a bit long, so I wouldn't know how to get it to the volunteer, if there were one. ACK!
[23:46:39] *Lady_Aleena 	blurbles and then searches for a way to do a wild card.
[23:48:31] <CIA-55>	03siebrand * r38460 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/FreeCol.php: Add ignored for FreeCol
[23:50:02] <Lady_Aleena>	Okay, which help page has the wild cards on it?
[23:55:32] <gouki>	Is it possible to edit the sidebar?
[23:57:24] <siebrand>	gouki: edit MediaWiki:Sidebar. Need to be sysop.
[23:57:42] <siebrand>	mwbot: !sidebar | gouki
[23:57:53] <siebrand>	!sidebar | gouki
[23:57:53] --mwbot--	gouki: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[23:58:24] <gouki>	siebrand, thank you