[00:00:13] one moment, please, it seems i'm not getting the concept of localhost, users, db and pass right :) [00:00:33] in the phpMyAdmin panel i have this info: [00:00:41] Server: localhost (localhost via TCP/IP) [00:00:49] Server version: 5.1.30-community-log [00:00:59] User: root@localhost [00:01:38] MySQL charset: UTF-8 Unicode (utf8) [00:01:52] question: [00:02:11] all the databases i create will have the username root@localhost? [00:02:19] AaronSchulz: where is the message stabilization-rest-short used? Can't find it grepping.. [00:02:29] Thats the user you're currently logged in as [00:03:12] (beeing on irc, seeing my ip, hopefully people will not poke now my ip ..and stuff) :) [00:03:17] siebrand: btw, I'm doing some message restructuring in AbuseFilter -- you don't mind if I do some of the dirty work for other languages, right? [00:03:34] *siebrand hugs werdna [00:03:35] ok, and i've created the database "darkdb" [00:03:44] and i set a pw for it [00:03:56] what infos do I type in the wiki config? [00:04:07] user: root@localhost? [00:04:10] 03(mod) Link with action=edit&redlink=1 leading to existing page should redirect to plain view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15242 +comment (10happy-melon) [00:04:14] just root? [00:04:26] just root, in theory, but you will probably want to create a seperate user [00:04:30] werdna: just make certain that if you adapt a message in another language, it is not out of date. If it is, best remove it from the i18n file. [00:04:32] not the best idea to use it as root [00:04:56] 03aaron * r48905 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/language/Stabilization.i18n.php: Forgot to remove 'stabilization-rest-short'; ended up not using it [00:05:02] werdna: otherwise we probably have it marked fuzzy in twn, and your change will be imported, removing that marking. [00:05:02] it's just for testing purposes, so not for going public at the time, just to play around with it [00:05:11] AaronSchulz: thanks [00:05:16] doesn't wiki accept "root"? [00:06:43] siebrand: what I'm doing is renaming abusefilter-log-detailedentry to abusefilter-log-detailedentry-meta, and expanding $3 to include the entire link, with a new message abusefilter-log-detailedentry-local to hold the current link text, and a new message busefilter-log-detailedentry-global to hold an alternate link txt [00:07:19] werdna: too complex a sentence at 1 AM :) Reads like a master piece ;) [00:07:25] haha [00:07:26] ok [00:07:44] never mind [00:07:54] you have to look all the info up to understand it [00:07:58] werdna: renaming usually has no drawbacks, unless it would be a key that has been used before. [00:08:20] it's being renamed because the usage of the message has changed [00:09:08] werdna: that's a fine reason. [00:13:11] 03(NEW) Enable GRAMMAR magic word in MediaWiki:Sharedupload message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18190 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (uv.wiki) [00:14:52] thanks for the good intentions folks [00:15:09] maybe another time, when i'm not this sleepy :) [00:15:13] ciao [00:43:51] 03siebrand * r48906 10/trunk/phase3/ (251 files in 3 dirs): [00:43:52] * add lower cased messages for Special:Contributions where needed instead of reusing a capitalised message [00:43:52] * duplicate translated messages where available [00:44:46] siebrand: <3 [00:45:10] overdue indeed. [00:45:23] 251 files [00:45:23] lol [00:45:55] *siebrand grumbles. [00:46:02] could just put them in a text-transform'd class, heh [00:46:07] the twn vps does not like the load. [00:46:08] *Splarka hides [00:46:37] siebrand: gah, I still have to change these abusefilter messages in like 8 languages [01:06:08] Freaky, some random dude making an Ubuntu bug report has a box named the same as my old one, odin. [01:06:12] I guess I need to be more creative. [01:06:27] there are probably a few hundred thousand computers called that [01:06:52] That seems like an excessively high estimate. [01:06:57] Greek mythology is more popular. [01:07:26] for machine names? i don't know. the norse ones are nicer. [01:07:57] 03siebrand * r48907 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Clarify 'tog-fancysig' [01:10:37] 03siebrand * r48908 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/Translate.i18n.php: Update 'translate-sidebar-alltrans' [01:16:23] I love Slashdot sigs. "Want to hear the voice of GOD? cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp" [01:17:11] haha [01:17:32] -bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied [01:17:36] a mac thing undoubtedly [01:18:20] try it as root [01:18:22] A Mac thing to allow it or deny it? [01:18:27] I think you need to be root, though, yeah. [01:18:50] Wait, it says vmlinuz, how could it work on Mac? [01:19:21] tee: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy [01:19:22] :( [01:20:22] tim I did suiddo [01:20:35] werdna, sudo doesn't affect redirection. [01:20:35] let's try that again [01:20:47] sudo cat foo > bar tries to open bar with your permissions, not root's. [01:20:53] it works for me, as non-root [01:20:58] You need to do cat foo | sudo tee bar>/dev/null or similar. [01:21:08] oh yeah [01:21:13] that's annoying [01:21:15] This is Linux sound, anyway, of course it's totally inconsistent. [01:21:19] Sigh. [01:21:27] werdna, well, the shell doesn't know what sudo means . . . [01:21:29] well, /dev/dsp is a legacy interface [01:21:35] Although maybe it should, to stop spoofing if nothing else. [01:21:36] bash: /dev/dsp: Operation not supported [01:21:50] i think on ubuntu there's a driver that redirects it back to pulseaudio and back down again to the hardware [01:22:46] Simetrical: sudo sh -c 'cat foo >bar' [01:22:58] tstarling@shimmer:~/src/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/languages/messages$ cat MessagesEn.php > /dev/dsp [01:23:21] much more interesting sound than some compressed file [01:23:41] i wish there was a /dev/tts [01:24:33] I wonder if there's an equivalent to /dev/dsp on mac [01:25:00] 03(NEW) Patroling a page shouldn't load a "Marked as patrolled" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18191 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (byrial) [01:25:09] well, all you really want is something that can play raw sound files [01:25:33] but what's a 'raw sound file'? [01:25:40] ulaw? mlaw? 8/16/32 bit? [01:25:53] whatever makes it sound nicest [01:26:35] well, if you play a ulaw file to something expecting PCM, you'll just get garbage [01:26:41] right, I was thinking there would be domething I could pipe it to. [01:27:13] interpreting it as PCM, as /dev/dsp does, creates tones for repetitive text [01:27:34] a format without whole-byte alignment isn't going to do that [01:28:24] andrew-macbook:~ andrew$ afplay wm-svn/phase3/includes/User.php [01:28:24] Error: ExtAudioFileOpen failed ('typ?') [01:28:44] bah [01:28:51] it doesn't matter :P [01:29:09] try it as 8 bit unsigned PCM at 22050 Hz [01:29:51] afplay doesn't hae that option [01:30:19] I think it's meant for playing mp3s and stuff [01:32:10] http://tstarling.com/stuff/MessagesEn.wav [01:32:55] TimStarling: haha, thanks. [01:33:08] the dulcet tones of MediaWiki localisation. [01:33:48] *werdna hides from Mike_lifeguard [01:34:23] whatdididothistime O.O [01:34:40] nothing :) [01:35:10] he's guilty of being a lifeguard impersonator [01:35:29] *Mike_lifeguard is a real live lifeguard [01:36:03] werdna: have you seen this page lately? http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/ [01:38:35] go werdna! [01:38:46] TimStarling: yes, somebody pointed it out to me already :) [01:39:12] although you do look at a little drugged in it [01:39:24] <^demon> dfsaaaassssssssssssfvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvdvdfvffffffffffffffffffffffffdnymjjjjjjuuuuui,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.ooooooooooooooooo''''''''''''' [01:39:29] <^demon> ,iop/o{p [01:39:46] did you know the filter is snagging a Bill Henson fan site now? [01:40:05] werdna knows many things [01:40:19] <^demon> Blah, apologies. Cat walked on the keyboard while I wasn't looking. [01:40:39] ^demon: I thought it would have to be either a cat or a child [01:41:06] hmm walking on desks... i havn't done that since High school [01:41:12] <^demon> Definitely the former :) [01:41:29] *werdna tries to avoid the thought of mini-^demons [01:42:43] <^demon> Werdna offspring are no less frightening :) [01:43:16] hey that'd be the offspring of one wiki person [01:43:21] imagine tim and angela's kids. [01:43:29] They'll be editing wikipedia before they go to school [01:43:31] *werdna hides. [01:43:53] computer programmers are the worker bees of society [01:43:56] Conroy says he wants to only filter RC material [01:44:25] it's hard to say how Wikipedia would be affected by that, since there is some consideration given to educational context [01:44:42] If that's true that it's not such a huge deal, but the ACMA blacklist shows otherwise, doesn't it? [01:44:51] an image description page, out of context, would be more likely to be banned [01:45:48] the ACMA blacklist is not just RC material, it's all prohibited content [01:46:03] that includes R18 and online gambling [01:46:38] RC material isn't all illegal either. [01:47:18] My understanding is that anything sexual and just a little bit "weird" fits into that category. Fetishes and stuff. [01:47:20] ...depends what you mean by illegal [01:47:32] currently illegal to view online [01:48:06] well, the laws don't seem to restrict viewing anything, they restrict distribution [01:48:20] it's certainly illegal to distribute physical copies of RC websites [01:49:54] well there are 3 wiki pages on the blacklist already [01:50:14] 1 gay porn image that has been removed, and two user pages of porn collections [01:51:08] yeah, but most of that would be R classified [01:51:13] not RC [01:51:15] the ACMA blacklist is not just RC material, it's all prohibited content http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_90102 [01:51:54] prohibited in the sense defined by the broadcasting services act 1992 [01:52:32] R18+ material which is not protected by an age verification system is prohibited online content [01:53:49] Of course, as Conroy said, this stuff is 9 years old. [01:54:31] In my eyes, that doesn't mean it's tried and tested or that it's not his fault, like he suggested, but that it is in desperate need of reform rather than expanded enforcement [01:54:59] "Big Brother? more like Big Bother!" [01:56:57] 14(DUP) Show number of edits since last view in "you have new messages" message and link to first in sequence - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8216 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [01:57:00] 03(mod) "(last change)" in new messages box should link to combined diff of all changes since last visit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12701 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [01:58:51] it seems pretty unnecessary to ban most of that content [02:00:18] well, that's your view [02:00:27] it's not the view of Fred Nile: "The world has ten years to overcome the evils of pornography before it collapses ... The civilisation will crumble in ten years unless we eliminate pornography." (Melbourne Herald, 1974) [02:00:59] *Prodego notes that the world didn't collapse [02:01:01] 1984 heh [02:01:06] http://libertus.net/censor/rdocs/follies.html#AboutFOL [02:01:08] Prodego: it did, look what is going on [02:01:19] *Prodego collapses Splarka [02:01:28] in Australia anyway, there are crazy politicians trying to ban pictures of simpsons characters naked [02:01:35] I'd call that a collapsed society [02:01:54] FOL have made pro-censorship submissions on internet censorship, for many years Fred Nile was an executive [02:02:45] O<-< there, she is 17 and naked, you're all sex offenders [02:03:16] help w/ advanced template syntax please - am I in the right place? [02:03:33] yah, stump the developers and win a prize [02:03:37] this is why australia needs to review and ditch all classification systems and choose one system for all formats [02:03:45] <^demon> Splarka: We ran out of prizes. [02:04:08] there is still a box of $5/off at Hot Topic cards [02:04:08] :-) sec, will make a demo of my 2 q's [02:04:11] ^demon: what about werdna's first born child as a prize? [02:05:47] <^demon> Splarka: Nobody wants those. [02:05:59] <^demon> p858snake: You'll have to take that one up with werdna :p [02:06:09] plus that's probably a while off [02:06:17] *werdna is 18 for godsake. [02:06:24] OK; 2 questions; english wikipedia; 1. Is it possible to add notes to the bottom of one table, in a template that contains several - template will be transcluded on several pages. Example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stu.W_UK/Sandbox the last one - has been done here using _under_ but the user would like to do it using a more standard format; any ideas? [02:06:35] even Trevor waited until he was 22 or 23 or something [02:06:40] ie 3rd of the 3 tables on that page [02:07:29] 03(mod) "(last change)" in new messages box should link to combined diff of all changes since last visit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12701 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [02:08:59] hmm, can do that I think? [02:09:37] hey [02:09:41] Hello. [02:09:45] Splarka: could you demo pls? [02:11:28] *Splarka thinks [02:11:50] think you could help out implement hiding of fields in this infobox? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Idol_season [02:12:40] chzz: [02:12:41] *fooCONCACAF full members. [02:12:41] *bar [02:12:41] [02:12:44] Splarka ty; appreciate it [02:12:54] see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources for more spammy info [02:13:25] Splarka looks good; I'll try it; Want Q2? :-) [02:14:02] then you can have other names (different notes) in the same group, like defunct [02:14:02] Q2 is there a way to make, for example, the 'Europe' group display uncollapsed on all the pages for teams in that group, with all the other groups collapsed? in same e.g [02:14:30] though you may want a smaller group name, since it appears in the [] [02:14:48] Splarka understood; will try it [02:15:05] hmm, Q2 might be possible with parserfunctions editing the navbox classes [02:15:56] but probably better would be a parameter like {{templatename|nocollapse=groupname}} [02:16:11] chzz: by hiding you mean, hiding if not used or a hidden with a dropdown "[show]" button? [02:16:37] p858snake the latter [02:16:38] Splarka: that be infobox he is showing not navbox [02:17:10] p858snake: you mean Viper? [02:17:48] p858snake: chzz means collapsed, as in "collapsible tables", via javascript [02:17:55] Viper550 is asking about the infobox with hidden fields [02:18:49] yeah... [02:18:52] Splarka p858snake correct [02:19:02] 03(NEW) Transfer bug's votes on duplication - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18192 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (Wiki.Melancholie) [02:19:09] Viper550: by hiding you mean, hiding if not used or a hidden with a dropdown "[show]" button? [02:19:14] heh [02:19:15] anyway [02:19:36] chzz: it might not be possible using this {{Navbox with collapsible groups}} template [02:19:57] *Splarka checks der code [02:20:11] *Splarka also pokles MrZMan [02:20:42] Hmm. Clarifying: How to have templates appear initially collapsed or not depending on the category that an item in the template is within [02:20:46] oh, there is a parameter [02:20:55] werdna: more pro-censorship: http://www.cdp.org.au/fed/mr/2009/090313fff.asp [02:20:56] chzz: you can't [02:21:08] but you can set a parameter to have a specific group uncollapsed, it seems [02:21:22] as in, only show specific fields if it is filled in [02:22:34] as in, in this example, football teams; the template shows multiple navigation templates; it would be nice if it could show the groups that the team is not in as collapsed, and the ones they are in as expanded [02:22:53] TimStarling: yes, there are plenty of crazies. [02:23:03] yah, I get that, you just can't do that based on category [02:23:16] Fred Nile is the one who wanted the age of consent increaseed to 21 and/or for married couples only, right? [02:23:17] Viper550: you can using the a if statement [02:23:27] *using a IF [02:24:03] {{#if:||}} [02:24:38] 03(mod) Transfer bug's votes on duplication - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18192 (10Wiki.Melancholie) [02:25:40] chzz: for example.... [02:25:47] | abbr3 = island [02:25:47] | selected = island [02:25:54] add that to the top box, and that one will then be uncollapsed [02:26:28] you can then call this hypothetical template with {{templatename|show=island}} and have> | selected = {{{show|}}} [02:26:49] how would I format that within this template? [02:26:52] (you have to give them abbreviations via abbr# to use selected) [02:27:28] Splarka: k; understand; thx. Making a 'demo', will get back to you. [02:27:33] k [02:28:35] like inserting a | in it [02:28:53] {{!}} [02:28:58] welcome to hell [02:30:51] *MrZ-man throws a } at Splarka [02:31:28] *Splarka watches it fly past him, curve around, and come back and smack MrZ-man in the face [02:31:53] Tim made most of those you know, and he's from Aus, so yknow, boomerang joke [02:32:49] heh [02:35:10] *^demon sends Splarka to Parser::doAllQuotes() as punishment for a bad joke [02:36:59] sigh, lemme get my headphones and all Rush SD card [02:39:14] Eh? [02:40:52] werdna: crazies with federal senate seats? http://www.familyfirst.org.au/documents/INTERNETPORNOGRAPHYANDCHILDREN.pdf [02:43:01] wow, they don't even like underage letters [02:45:37] 03(NEW) Spacing issue when no results returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18193 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CheckUser; (mikelifeguard) [02:46:06] 03(mod) Spacing issue when no results returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18193 (10mikelifeguard) [02:46:28] TimStarling: yes, being in the senate doesn't prove sanity, only slight popularity [02:47:38] *werdna sighs. People banning mention of harry potter characters, swear words and such from edit summaries using the abuse filter. [02:47:53] Fortunately people caught it. [02:50:03] werdna killed snape [02:50:15] something like that [02:50:30] NawlinWiki of course [02:51:05] *Splarka did say AbuseFilterFilter, or maybe AbuseFilterAbuseFilter [02:52:02] <^demon> werdna: People need to realize that using swear words can be perfectly acceptable in everyday speech :) [02:52:35] Hiya [02:52:39] Got a quickie question [02:53:49] <^demon> Ask it then. [02:54:08] What extension can I use to temporarily hide the rollback button on wiki in a monobook.css page? [02:54:14] .mw-rollback {display: none;} is what someone gave me [02:56:23] where? Special:Contributions, action=history, diff, recent changes? [02:56:51] RC [02:57:10] nvm [02:57:12] Got it [02:57:15] Thanks anyways :P [02:57:19] body.page-Special_RecentChanges .mw-rollback-link {display:none;} [02:57:20] wtf [02:57:35] quitter [03:00:41] Splarka, sorry, it was because I gave him the answer in #wikipedia-simple :P (that was where the question originated) [03:05:04] heh, yah, he told me [03:05:46] so now that there is global.css for many people, how long until sitename-en-wikipedia is a body class [03:08:12] Splarka, probably won't happen because you could just override global.css on wikipedia with your monobook.css ... [03:08:45] bah, made something that does what viper wanted be he/she left [03:10:11] nixeagle: sometimes, but not always... some stuff is hard to undo [03:10:23] css, it cascades you know... [03:10:31] 03(mod) central-auth ALT message for browsers with images disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14597 (10innocentkiller) [03:10:41] Splarka, right... which is why if you set the casading order right it would not be an issue... [03:10:42] no such thing as 'override', heh [03:10:55] oh, but it can be [03:11:08] eg start with the default site CSS, then casade to global.css... then casade to your monobook.css on the local site [03:11:23] just for fun, try turning monobook/main.css into myskin with just overrides [03:11:55] 03(mod) central-auth ALT message for browsers with images disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14597 +need-review +patch (10innocentkiller) [03:11:55] <^demon> Is wikibugs not reporting keyword changes? [03:12:00] <^demon> Ah there it is. [03:12:08] it waits until it makes you look sill [03:12:09] y [03:12:12] new feature ^_^ [03:12:35] <^demon> wikibugs: go sit in the corner [03:17:03] AARGH; I'm shite at coding; Splarka: whilst I appreciate your help, I am too stupid to make an example to demonstrate the idea to the user; I have been trying for the past hour, and cannot get the syntax correct; I want to show your answer , but am apparently incapable. . An article with references which contains a template of collapsed tables with references within itself. :-s my brain hurts. [03:19:07] heh, mine too, I've never done it, but I know it can be done [03:21:17] Splarka what have I done wrong in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chzz/stu1 ? simple e.g. [03:21:50] Splarka pls edit/fix [03:22:50] http://p.defau.lt/?yG1IAoUe5m4QZkzVJhyJLw [03:22:54] simple example [03:27:10] hmm [03:27:39] Sorry for quitting earlier [03:27:43] kthanksbai :P [03:27:50] heh [03:28:02] Just wanted to apologize [03:28:08] Before I went on with my business [03:28:51] Are there any disadvantages to POSTing everything to the API, rather than GET sometimes and POST other times? [03:30:22] Splarka: ok, looks kinda like an answer. I''ve made http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chzz/stu99 - I wll paste that to the user. thx, hope it works [03:32:02] chzz: sec [03:32:10] k [03:32:11] might have a better example [03:33:46] *Splarka tests if it works [03:33:57] 03(NEW) Enable NewUserMessage extension on Arabic Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18194 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (cipherswiki) [03:35:03] damn cite extension, heh [03:36:00] *Splarka fixes the simple integers [03:36:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chzz/stu1 [03:36:38] *chzz looks [03:36:38] the groups do make the inline bits kinda ugly [03:36:48] [t1 1] [t1 2] etc [03:36:52] 03(mod) Enable NewUserMessage extension on Arabic Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18194 +shell (10innocentkiller) [03:37:13] Pathoschild: can't use importScript with GET [03:37:23] also, can't test stuff inline or show examples [03:37:28] unless you mean, for you personally [03:38:09] in which case be aware some valueless parameters like &indexpageids need dummy values in POST [03:38:10] my brain hurts [03:38:20] mine too [03:38:21] For a private bot. Rather than code it up to send either POST or GET as needed, it's easier to just POST everything. [03:38:48] (It prints the GET URL to terminal, so I can easily GET them in my browser for debugging.) [03:40:11] no disadvantage then that I know of, except the null value thing you have to be aware of [03:40:45] roan said anything GETtable must be POSTable IIRC [03:43:25] chzz: IIRC there is an open bug about (creating or installing) a parallel "footnote" extension for that sort of thing [03:44:26] Splarka: ok [03:45:14] Splarka: is about football templates; used all over en WP, so I;m sure it'll have to be dealt with [03:48:03] whats the urlencode magic word stuff again? [03:48:20] urlencode [03:49:35] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#URL_data [03:52:18] Splarka: Thanks. [03:52:39] yeah i thought of that after, bah how do you do external urls with equal signs in them when they are in templates? [03:52:49] Splarka: Thaks for the help; I'll monitor it. Cheers, [03:53:05] p858snake: 1= [03:53:29] best to use named parameters whenever you're dealing with urls or html [03:54:37] oh no i'm not making a template i'm just placing information in a pre-existing one [03:55:00] then use 1= [03:55:18] only the first equals is the delimiter [04:02:48] 03(NEW) Allow properties assignment via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18195 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (lilewyn) [04:06:46] /join #wikimedia-steward [04:06:50] oops :( [04:11:33] mmm, badly named bug [04:26:19] Splarka: {{sofixit}} [04:28:32] lazy [04:28:45] I was sure it was a dupe but the only one close is the api query based special pages [04:28:56] and preferences is really out of the scope of that one [04:29:15] if Werdna redesigns the preferences system then an API module will be easier, but as is it is rather futile [04:29:40] *werdna hides. [04:29:43] brb [04:36:45] 14(DUP) Patroling a page shouldn't load a "Marked as patrolled" page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18191 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [04:36:45] 03(mod) Option not to receive confirmation of marking an article patrolled (or Ajax?) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7851 +comment (10Wiki.Melancholie) [04:43:54] 03(NEW) Please provide information about the most searched words - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18196 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Usage Statistics; (fryedpeach) [04:46:46] such information may be displayed on a [04:46:47] special page like WantedPages. [04:46:47] " <...isn't wanted pages disabled on all wikimedia wiki installs... [04:47:13] {{failpasteage}} >.> [05:59:58] 03werdna * r48909 10/trunk/phase3/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Revert r48746 (API userrights). Breaks Special:GlobalGroupMembership by changing overridden methods to static methods, which cannot be overridden. Also reverts r48747, r48814, r48778, r48775 [06:01:35] 03werdna * r48910 10/trunk/extensions/CentralAuth/SpecialGlobalGroupMembership.php: properly revert r48775 r48778 [06:56:01] 04(REOPENED) Set user rights via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15935 +comment (10pathoschild+wmbugs) [06:57:33] anyone awake? [06:57:43] !ask | JamesonTai [06:57:43] --mwbot-- JamesonTai: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [06:58:21] lol [06:58:22] hi [06:58:44] how do you add information and links on the nav column? [06:59:08] i've got almost 20k edits in enwiki... [06:59:24] do you mean [[Mediawiki:Sidebar]]? [06:59:29] just started my own - you never fully appreciate the intricacies of wiki until you make your own [06:59:30] :) [06:59:36] !link [06:59:36] --mwbot-- http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Link [06:59:48] !sidebar | JamesonTai [06:59:48] --mwbot-- JamesonTai: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see . [07:09:35] Somehow I am unsurprised that the latest version of MediaWiki starts by throwing a Require() error when unzipped. [07:10:43] somehow i am since no one else has brought it up [07:10:53] It works fine on localhost, but dies on my webhost [07:11:04] Installation script worked, but index.php throws a big fat one [07:11:10] are you sure you uploaded all the files [07:11:13] http://www.chaoschaoschaos.com/ [07:11:15] Yup. [07:12:03] Oh.... heh. [07:12:05] did you upload a fresh copy to your server or the one you installed in your local host? [07:12:17] *EugeneKay does a +x [07:12:59] Derr [07:15:14] That seems to have fixed it. [07:15:22] +duncecap [07:16:54] :o php 4 [07:19:36] Yeah. Crappy webhost [07:20:05] I have to cook up the .htaccess still anyway [07:20:20] moin [07:20:29] morning [07:34:56] For a mediawiki bug, what does a resolution status of "Later" mean? [07:35:22] that it will be worked on/fixed later [07:35:35] usually, after something else is done [07:35:38] in theory [07:35:43] in practise they are just forgotten [07:36:10] hrm [07:36:17] well could this one do with re-opening? [07:36:20] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 [07:36:41] it was requested by a celebrity fan of wikipedia :)\ [07:38:18] "Pain in the Ass" [07:38:24] At least that's how I read it. [07:38:48] is it worth re-opening it? [07:39:04] it wouldn't change anything [07:39:22] uh, if it's marked as resolved, nobody will look at it] [07:39:29] at least if it's open it might get some attention... possibly. [07:39:39] that feature is requested all the time [07:39:43] it'll probably never happen [07:39:46] is it? [07:39:54] There are none that are marked as duplicates. [07:40:17] as in "people ask for it", not "people open bugs" [07:40:21] (nm, one is) [07:40:36] BRB [07:45:28] archive.org ^_^ [07:46:47] I wrote a javascript to do that, but it can't time travel the templates used or the images [07:48:03] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Splarka/timetravel.js [07:50:49] if you're on an oldid it sends an API request to get the date of that revision > prop=revisions&rvprop=timestamp|ids, when that query returns it adds a p-caction button to that URL with &timetravel and a timestamp (previously fetched) [07:51:52] on visiting a page with the &timetravel link, all links on the page that are regressable are marked in green and given a javascript: href [07:52:28] clicking on any of those links sends an API query to see the oldest revision prior to that date: &prop=revisions&rvstart=(ts) [07:52:40] does anyone here know why I might get 'Could not determine the numeric version from !' on all pages on my wiki? This is after restoring my database from a backup. [07:52:57] if one is found, you are then taken to that page with the appropriate &oldid and the same &timetravel parameter, where the cycle is repeated [07:54:12] Splarka: the timetravel.js script sounds pretty cool :) [07:56:58] it's mostly just a curiousity [08:08:46] hello everybody, yesterday i had a question about create a group in mediawiki, but i don't know which file i have to edit, can someone help me? [08:11:09] !localsettings [08:11:09] --mwbot-- All configuration is done in LocalSettings.php (near the end of the file). Editing other files means modifying the software. Default settings are not in LocalSettings.php, you can look in DefaultSettings.php. See , , , and [08:11:36] . [08:12:19] ok thaknks ;) [08:28:03] 03(mod) set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17888 (10catlow) [08:35:42] 03(mod) Link with action=edit&redlink=1 leading to existing page should redirect to plain view - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15242 (10mormegil) [09:11:32] 03(mod) Mediawiki accepts to create thumbnails with the wrong extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18127 (10thomasV1) [09:46:07] 03(mod) Hide globally hidden user names on Special:Log/globalauth - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18183 15enhancement->normal (10wikipedia_emails-nachfrage) [10:21:06] 03aaron * r48911 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Fix r48837: Add target param back, still needed in some places [10:22:56] 03aaron * r48912 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Title.php: Make Title::newFromID only use one query [10:30:33] 03(mod) CSS Gadget disabled when browsing Special:Preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18186 (10subfader) [10:36:46] Hi there, how to escape {{}}? [10:37:04] {{templatename}} [10:37:10] thanks [10:37:36] Works with all wiki markup, incidentally. [10:38:05] except *snicker* [10:38:21] (for that use </nowiki>) [10:38:24] Uh [10:39:16] "" is wiki markup, and you can't escape it with , being pedantic [10:39:29] You could just use [10:39:46] Shouldn't display it, there not beign a matching [10:39:59] that's bad practice, like not closing your html, ick [10:40:13] *EugeneKay flips the W3C the bird [10:40:19]
just looks dumb. [10:40:38] I'm breaking a line, not my eyeballs. [10:40:40] hmm, re 18186 [10:40:47] *Splarka checks something [10:40:53] yeah, SGML is ahh good, user css/js isn't loaded in Special:ChangePassword [10:42:53] but gadgets are [10:43:58] *Splarka wonders if that is bad [10:45:04] Why any worse than loading Common.js? [10:45:54] well, they're disabled on Preferences for a reason, as is user css/js [10:45:59] which is also disabled on Special:UserLogin. [10:46:05] so it should be consistneyt [10:46:09] consistent, bah [10:47:00] Damn you, Splarka ! [10:47:12] Can't you tell I'm wasting sannse's time? [10:48:04] what with now? heh [10:48:16] oh, the spheres? [10:48:26] ^_^ [10:48:37] bah, can't you change product and component at the same time? [10:56:05] oh, nice [10:56:10] it asks you to choose a component [10:56:11] 04(REOPENED) Disable Gadget wherever user css/js is disabled, or at least aim for consistency - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18186 summary; +comment (10herd) [10:56:15] *Splarka hates bugzilla less [11:46:58] 03jojo * r48913 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: fix: allow adding of articles in categories that are not in NS_MAiN [12:02:16] *Splarka showers RoanKattouw in api bugs ^_^ [12:02:26] (well, bugzilla requests) [12:08:27] 03(mod) Allow properties assignment via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18195 +comment (10roan.kattouw) [12:19:19] werdna: You there? Do you have any suggested solutions for the static-methods-can't-be-overridden problem in my API userrights commit? [12:21:13] 03siebrand * r48914 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/ (README Translate.php): Update history and version. Working on version 11 now. [12:36:47] How can I prevent a template that adds to a category from showing up in that category [12:37:08] [[Category:Blah]] [12:37:09] [[Category:]] damn [12:37:19] *Splarka bites Reedy [12:37:20] whee [12:37:29] yay thanks [12:38:38] 03jojo * r48915 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/ (Collection.body.php Collection.i18n.php): show error page if download is a 404 [12:44:52] 03(mod) Imported edits can be incorrectly attributed to whoever creates that account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13798 (10beesley) [12:46:16] Sorry, a question :-) : The name of the site ($wgSitename) can be changed after??? [12:47:07] 03jojo * r48916 10/trunk/extensions/Collection/Collection.body.php: support return_to GET parameter in add_category [12:50:33] Marco27: Yes, change $wgSitename in LocalSettings.php [12:51:44] RoanKattouw: Thus the original name may also be temporary? [12:53:12] beware of the project namespace, you don't wanna change that, and it can be linked to the sitename (by default?) [12:55:56] Ok, thanks :-D [13:04:30] Hello [13:04:49] Question: Are tiff files thumbnail supported? [13:05:58] Duduman: not yet, no. [13:06:10] Hey Duesentrieb [13:06:11] Duduman: it's not trivial, because tiffs may contain multiple images [13:06:21] Any way to upload pdf? [13:06:23] I sent you a message on meta [13:06:32] pdf is supported [13:07:09] Dueasentrieb http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Duesentrieb/Tools#fetching_descriptions_for_images [13:07:20] !fileextensions | uwjweq [13:07:20] --mwbot-- uwjweq: I don't know anything about "fileextensions". You might try: !filetype [13:07:28] !filetype | uwjweq [13:07:28] --mwbot-- uwjweq: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgFileExtensions [13:07:32] better ;) [13:08:17] Is the script for the thing on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Duesentrieb/Tools#fetching_descriptions_for_images possible? [13:08:58] Duduman: well, if your browser can show it, a script can download it. copying descriptions may have copyright issues thoough. [13:09:21] it's ok [13:09:25] also, being able to link to the original source is pretty important. requireing a login session simply to look at it seems very silly... why do they do that? [13:09:39] don't know [13:09:44] bad government I guess [13:09:51] :P [13:10:13] They even say they have copyright on the images [13:10:14] as to generating a good image description and mass uploading, perhaps talk to Multichill. He did something similar recently for a bunch of plants or something [13:10:36] oh, only one "l" today. [13:10:44] Duduman: find Multichil on [13:10:50] err, on #wikimedia-commons [13:11:01] or on his user page [13:11:06] I think he said it's not possible [13:11:29] o_O [13:11:31] huh? [13:11:52] you sure? what exactly shouldn't be possible? [13:12:23] don't know [13:12:28] I talked a lot on commons [13:12:32] about this [13:13:07] maybe he didn't understand what I meant because I didn't draw it like on your talk page [13:13:24] Is muchhill in the US? [13:13:30] Ich kann auch Deutsch [13:14:51] Duduman: Multichil is dutch. he speaks good english, but little german. [13:15:10] ah ok [13:15:16] Are u german? [13:15:21] yes [13:15:22] Ja [13:15:28] hey [13:15:38] we are a bit off topic here, btw [13:15:38] Multiplikation [13:15:39] Ich bin Aegypter und kann Deutsch [13:15:44] ok [13:15:46] back again [13:15:46] super :) [13:15:48] sorry [13:16:02] we should better talk in #wikimedia-commons really [13:16:11] I'm there [13:18:12] The channel is dead [13:22:45] uwjweq: silent != dead [13:29:56] How does one go about setting the CC license that appears at the bottom of the page? [13:34:50] 03(mod) set $wgMaxRedirects = 2 on en.wiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17888 (10russblau) [13:34:56] Duesentrieb, ping? [13:41:48] hi guillom [13:43:09] => pm [13:43:11] :) [13:53:29] Hoi, I have a request [13:54:11] could someone run this script in the extension directory of en.wikipedia .. for item in *; do test -d $item && svn info $item| echo $item `grep Revision`; done [13:54:35] this gives output that I want to use to rebuild a working test system [13:54:51] a testsystem that should mimick en.wp [13:55:21] GerardM: that's a question for #wikimedia-tech [13:55:29] ok [14:02:17] GerardM: you want a list of all the extenstions that are installed on en.wiki? [14:02:27] 03raymond * r48917 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [14:02:27] * Add missing 'right-' and 'desc' messages [14:02:27] * Add three desc messages defintions for translatewiki [14:02:45] yes with the revision numbers as specified by SVN [14:03:10] 03sergeychernyshev * r48918 10/trunk/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added format selector drop-down to Special:Ask page in Semantic MediaWiki. [14:03:24] GerardM: have a look at [[Special:Version]] it should tell you [14:03:44] Sadly it does not.. it is broken [14:04:51] CategoryTree (Version r48218) no that's wrong [14:08:14] How would I go on allowing prefix search in commons? [14:09:57] a bug request asking for it to be enabled i guess [14:13:35] hey [14:14:44] thanks [14:16:12] 03(NEW) Revert recentchanges limit to 5000 (id.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18197 normal; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (stanley) [14:18:05] 03(mod) Revert recentchanges limit to 5000 (id.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18197 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [14:34:53] Another question: I've created my wiki, and it is on "localhost". Can I transfer it to a site? [14:35:46] !move [14:35:46] --mwbot-- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki [14:36:23] Thanks werdna :-DD !!! [14:53:01] 03(mod) Revert recentchanges limit to 5000 (id.wikipedia) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18197 (10stanley) [15:09:29] anyone out there [15:11:54] Likely not. [15:12:48] !ask | WikIT [15:12:48] --mwbot-- WikIT: Don't say "I have a question", or ask "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just ask the question, and someone will help you if they can. Also, please read < http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc > for a good explanation of getting help on IRC. [15:13:05] hey there we go [15:13:24] wasn't sure if i was getting through the vpn [15:14:19] I need to make a diagram that allows users to click on it a be directed to different pages in the wiki. Does any have a good way to do this, I'm not having much luck [15:15:37] Best I have for now is ppt that redirects. this works but the way I'm displaying the ppt, the redirect opens in the viewer control and it's giving me a mirrored look with double sidebars and page headers [15:17:51] Can anyone help with this, surely I'm not the first to try this on a windows box [15:22:43] what a shame, you guys have been a big help so far:( [15:26:39] 03(mod) rdf export does not generate valid XML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17953 (10markus) [15:28:01] WikIT: can your diagram posted on a wiki? [15:28:34] The diagram format is totally open [15:28:51] you can use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap for that [15:29:05] if your diagram is a graphic file [15:29:23] Yeah thats what I'm reading about right now [15:30:01] it looks like it will work but my diagram will change alot and it would be nice if I could use visio or someother drawing software [15:30:26] i tried the dia but i can't find the extension code anywhere [15:31:32] 03(mod) Error with links in semantic template fields - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18040 (10markus) [15:33:48] for some drawings [[:mw:Extension:TimelineTable]] or something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ahnentafel-compact4 [15:34:33] 03(NEW) Spezial:AddData for delted pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18198 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Semantic Forms; (dasch_87) [15:35:49] Yeah that might be a possiblity [15:39:13] 03(mod) Exhibit: Wrong HTML redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17446 (10markus) [15:40:43] 03(NEW) Provide the ternary operator (condition ? then : else) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18199 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: ParserFunctions; (rene.kijewski) [15:41:03] 03(mod) Exhibit: Linking is not correct - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17144 (10markus) [15:44:02] 03(mod) Property E-Mail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17848 (10markus) [15:49:25] 03(mod) Property E-Mail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17848 (10markus) [16:03:54] 03rotem * r48919 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localization update for he. [16:07:58] what does the wgAllowJs variable do? I mean, I'm guessing it enables user javascript.. but what does that mean? [16:10:33] Can I have an ilustration in my article that is not a thumbnail? [16:12:31] zhansen, user javascript pages allow users to add pages like User:YourName/monobook.js that is loaded whenever you access a wiki. Of course it only is loaded for yourself then and others cannot edit those pages (except sysops) [16:12:47] Same works with user css pages which are loaded too and allow users to change the appearance [16:12:59] interesting [16:13:36] uwjweq, You can simply add any type of image in an article. You don't need to use the "thumb" parameter in the image call. So [[File:Name.jpg]] shows the full size image for example [16:13:49] yay thanks [16:14:02] 03(mod) Provide the ternary operator (condition ? then : else) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18199 (10rene.kijewski) [16:42:48] 03(FIXED) Privileged users should be allowed to see any diffs against deleted edits - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18068 (10JSchulz_4587) [16:48:33] When I installed mediawiki on my server, it came minus help pages. For example, there's a reference to a page Help:Editing which is missing.. Is there an addition help expansion pack for mediawiki installations? [16:48:52] Help: pages are available at MW.org. [16:49:04] But I don't believe they're in any easy form to get. [16:49:12] They are public domain, though. [16:49:46] <^demon> Marybelle: Why wouldn't they be. Just export them. [16:49:59] That's not easy. [16:50:09] 03dale * r48920 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Improved media inserts via wizard [16:50:18] <^demon> :-\ says who? [16:50:32] Well, you'd have to get a list of all of them. [16:50:36] And then export them all. [16:50:47] <^demon> There is a list of all of them. And you can export them in one batch. [16:50:47] And I imagine if you try to do too many at once, it'll likely stab you in the face. [16:52:14] Huh. [16:52:18] Easy enough. [16:52:47] <^demon> It's only 50 pages, and they're all in [[Category:Help]] [16:53:40] <^demon> joomlaman: Take a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:PD_help/Copying Should help you out :) [17:07:41] 03aaron * r48921 10/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckUser_body.php: Added 'clear:both' to js form [17:08:27] 03(mod) Spacing issue when no results returned - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18193 (10JSchulz_4587) [17:14:34] hi [17:16:57] who is from mediawiki? [17:25:41] Are there any Mediawiki-IRC bots (if available with tutorials about how to set em up?) [17:27:15] <^demon> ady1111: Pretty much everyone in the room. [17:27:57] <^demon> DW-Staff|Gara: Not really. You can send notifications to UDP, if you have something listening on UDP to send it to IRC. [17:28:22] <^demon> *over UDP, rather. [17:29:58] <^demon> DW-Staff|Gara: Actually, I take that back...see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:IRC_RC_Bot [17:30:10] wow, thanks [17:31:37] <^demon> No problem. [17:33:01] Mh, too bad there's no way to filter which Recent Changes entries get displayed by the bot [17:33:16] mdale: what seems like a good timeout for the URL fetch? [17:33:19] 10s obviously too short ;) [17:33:30] hmm 30 min? [17:33:33] There are tons of small/irrelevant changes which dont need to get posted to irc [17:33:38] 1 hour? [17:33:46] 30 min probably better for now [17:35:26] hmmmm [17:35:43] i think the php req will time out in 30s :P [17:35:59] if we need to support very long uploads we may need to spawn it as a background job of some kind [17:36:03] yea... [17:36:19] oky well 30 seconds would be an improvement over 10 :P [17:36:23] <^demon> Default of 10s is too short for almost everything :) [17:36:41] :D [17:36:44] let's try 30 for now then... [17:37:46] oky... I will add that to the expanding todo list for the "new-upload" branch [17:38:13] can we open up test.wikimedia.org copy by url to logged in users? [17:38:16] <^demon> imho, bug 16875 (transwiki import timeout) is related to the default timeout being so low. [17:39:01] sure [17:39:20] ^demon: *nod* both of those could benefit from background processing [17:39:35] also allows for interactive feedback to the user which is better than "wait a long time and then some output shows up" [17:39:43] yea... [17:39:50] curl_setopt( $ch, CURLOPT_TIMEOUT, 10); # 10 seconds timeout [17:39:53] yay hardcoded values [17:40:02] <^demon> Wth? [17:40:37] 03vyznev * r48922 10/trunk/phase3/includes/CategoryPage.php: properly HTML-escape titles in categories, just in case something bad somehow sneaks past title validation [17:40:46] allow me to make this a config variable :) [17:41:42] <^demon> Fwiw, that entire think dies if you don't have cURL. [17:41:51] <^demon> Abstracting to Http would be nice. [17:42:15] yeah [17:42:18] 03brion * r48923 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php specials/SpecialUpload.php): Make upload-by-URL fetch timeout configurable as $wgCopyUploadTimeout, default to 30s instead of 10s [17:42:27] it needs a lot of lovin' :) [17:43:07] yea ... have not had time to give it as much lovin' as it needed.. but they are at least abstracted into different files in the new-upload branch [17:43:28] \o/ [17:43:34] <^demon> To some extent. Still has hardcoded curl options which will explode on installs w/o curl. [17:43:40] getting it in use should help get it some lovin' ;) [17:44:31] hello brion [17:45:13] hmm [17:45:20] is there actually size limit enforcement ? [17:45:58] 03dale * r48924 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/includes/ (DefaultSettings.php UploadFromUrl.php): consistent Make upload-by-URL fetch timeout configurable [17:45:59] seems to enforce w/ $wgMaxUploadSize [17:46:16] which defaults to... 100mb [17:46:21] guess we want to increase that :D [17:46:29] <^demon> The only problem is that we don't know how big the file is until after we've tried copying. [17:46:47] true :) [17:46:47] it should have a content-length header [17:46:57] (when doing curl op) [17:47:02] it may or may not have a content-length header... [17:47:06] if it does, it should be possible to kick out early [17:47:11] <^demon> I know Bryan had been playing with an upload callback in the new-upload branch so we can check as it's downloading, rather than download-then-check. [17:47:13] if not, we have to keep copying until we reach the limit and then abort [17:47:19] right [17:47:22] [which is what it lokoks to do now] [17:47:54] <^demon> The only problem being that we should move that callback to Http and make it generic, instead of hard-coding the curlopts in Upload code. [17:48:41] ^demon: r48924 [17:50:14] <^demon> I see it. I think the stuff should be moved to Http, so it works for installs w/o curl. Hardcoding curl functions will make it die entirely, not just fail to work. [17:51:02] true [17:51:30] <^demon> Can do you something with file_get_contents() or fopen() similar to CURLOPT_WRITEFUNCTION? [17:51:31] need to extend http to do things like curl callback and file size checks? [17:52:00] 03(NEW) Upload-by-URL has a different file size limit from HTTP POST uploads, needs to be shown in UI - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18200 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (brion) [17:53:45] 03aaron * r48925 10/trunk/phase3/includes/specials/SpecialRevisiondelete.php: Minor cleanup & refactoring of revisiondelete [17:54:25] 03(NEW) Upload-by-URL should enforce $wgMaxUploadSize early when Content-Length header provided - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18201 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (brion) [17:56:37] 03(mod) Disable Gadget wherever user css/js is disabled, or at least aim for consistency - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18186 (10subfader) [17:57:15] 03(NEW) Upload-by-URL should run in background, report feedback interactively to user - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18202 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (brion) [17:57:26] mdale: feel free to take any of those bugs :D [17:57:51] (i'd just turn around and talk to you, but you've got your headphones on ;) [17:57:55] yea ... probably should be integrated into the new-upload branch ;) [17:58:57] The new upload branch is going to have headphone compatibility? [17:59:32] fyi everybody -- http://www.wikisym.org/ paper & workshop submission deadline has been pushed back to april 2nd. get your submissions in! [18:03:02] 03shinjiman * r48926 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese [18:06:01] brion: I have worked out a solution for djvu text extraction. the text is html-escaped (with sed) before it is saved to disk. the browser sends an ajax request to the extension, and the extension fetches the text with curl. (because ajax does not work cross-domain) [18:06:37] that should work :) [18:06:46] roundabout but functional [18:06:46] hmm [18:07:04] ThomasV_: a sajax thingy, or an API interface? [18:07:24] ajax [18:07:35] i tend to prefer we do new things plugging straight into the api since it's easier to make for general use [but you then need to think about making it fairly stable interface] [18:09:41] how would that work ? I do not know the api well [18:09:50] Just ask me when you're lost ;) [18:10:31] I mean, do I need to plug the api part in the extension or in mediawiki core ? [18:12:14] werdna: You there? Do you have any suggested solutions for the static-methods-can't-be-overridden problem in my API userrights commit? [18:12:23] ThomasV_: In the extension [18:12:35] $wgAPIModules['modulename'] = 'ModuleClass'; [18:13:14] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Calling_internally#Creating_API_modules_in_extensions [18:13:35] ThomasV_: i added some in the CodeReview extension, but i'm not sure they're examples of best practice ;) [18:13:42] iirc RoanKattouw fixed them up for me ;) [18:15:13] I'll have a look [18:15:18] Those CR modules look good enough now :P [18:15:28] but later; for the moment I have a flu [18:15:32] ApiCodeDiff is probably the simplest one [18:15:34] :( [18:16:26] brion: I think we maybe wanna require write rights (and thus !wfReadOnly() ) for ApiCodeUpdate? [18:19:22] mmm [18:19:35] Hi -- Not sure when it started ( i don't normally use IE ) but with an update from the svn, loading mediawiki with IE7 or IE8 fails to load the default skin ( monobook ) -- if I use other skins, it renders fine, but it seems to be defaulting to 'simple' when it tries to get monobook. [18:19:35] well checking readonly is certainly wise [18:19:50] not sure about rights; it's meant as a ping point that can be hit at any time by a script [18:19:57] if we need to add authentication that makes life slightly harder :) [18:20:21] Biny3: on current svn trunk? [18:20:23] @ 48927, looks like it's fine on test.wikipedia.org which is 48811 [18:20:26] yep. [18:20:31] *brion fires up windows vm [18:20:52] if I force it to have everyone use say, cologneblue [18:20:55] it loads fine [18:21:01] but if I use monobook, it loads as 'simple' [18:21:10] and it works fine in firefox, fails in IE7/8 [18:21:33] afk a few. [18:21:47] brion: Making it a write module would require 1) $wgEnableWriteAPI = true; 2) !wfReadOnly() and 3) the 'writeapi' right, but anons have that right on WMF (I even think that's the default) [18:23:27] \o/ [18:23:29] prolly fine then :D [18:24:01] i am trying to embed html in a mediawiki page -- any ideas of how to get that to work? [18:25:09] No changes made to any of my skin files, just really odd that it's not loading monobook in IE but does in firefox, what's the svn command to revert to a different revision? just going to drop back to 48811 [18:25:56] Biny3, you can specify the revision with svn update [18:26:11] 03(mod) Possibility to link to particular section of [[Special:Preferences]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16013 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [18:26:12] r48921 + ie8rc on xp looks ok [18:26:22] 03(FIXED) Exhibit: Problem with 1.15 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17753 +comment (10dasch_87) [18:27:31] 03(mod) Exhibit: Wrong HTML redirect - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17446 (10dasch_87) [18:29:46] strange. [18:31:04] yeah does it on 48811 too then, not quite sure what's up! [18:31:46] *RoanKattouw curses BSODs [18:33:00] &useskin=monobook fails and loads either simple or MySkin type layout, &useskin=cologneblue loads cologneblue fine. [18:37:25] 03(mod) HTML tweaks / Clean up ImagePage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17617 +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp) [18:41:35] 03catrope * r48928 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ApiCodeUpdate.php: CodeReview: Make action=codeupdate a write module so it checks wfReadOnly() and $wgEnableWriteAPI [18:45:43] 03(mod) HTML tweaks / Clean up ImagePage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17617 +comment (10poke) [18:46:08] meh [18:46:13] Is there an Semantic-Mediawiki IRC channel? [18:46:23] Can't find it on their website >.< [18:46:32] How can I remove myself from the CC list of buzilla again? :/ [18:47:02] [ ] Remove selected CCs [18:47:04] Below the list. [18:47:20] yeah, but do I have to commit then? [18:47:47] Yes [18:48:08] Only if you want your e-mail address removed. ;-) [18:48:12] ah, okay :) [18:48:33] I feared I would post a new comment or get everybody pinged again when I commit :P [18:48:48] thanks ^^ [18:54:47] yeah totally stumped, ie7 or ie8 doesn't even attempt to load monobook.css, but if I use cologneblue or something it tries to load it just fine, monobook loads fine in firefox [18:57:55] 03(mod) Transfer bug's votes on duplication - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18192 +upstream; +comment (10brion) [19:07:35] i just want to download wikipedia to view on a local network. i dont want any images. i have a linux machine. Need only the articles and that too only english. what do i download? [19:07:50] !dump | balki [19:07:50] --mwbot-- balki: For information on how to get dumps from Wikimedia Wikis, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps [19:11:32] 03(NEW) CategoryTree js-generated expand links always hidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18203 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CategoryTree; (rockmfr) [19:12:16] download page says: 2009-03-15 07:11:07 enwiki: Dump complete, 1 item failed [19:12:28] can i still download that? [19:13:12] my internet connection is not that stable and expected to get cut at times.. [19:13:14] Is there any way to have random numbers embedded into an article page that are refreshed every time a wikipage is reloaded? [19:13:37] That's something that's at least not going to happen on Wikipedia, too much load [19:13:47] custom wiki [19:14:32] i read that Extension:Parserfunctions had a {{#rand: function which got discontinued [19:14:53] You could write one yourself, wouldn't be too hard if you have basic PHP knowledge [19:14:55] in general, all wiki pages are cached [19:15:18] so even if you have a rand function, the result will be cached until the page is purged or edited [19:15:47] Not if you write it well [19:15:53] A parser function can tell the parser never to cache a page [19:17:12] Ah, $parser->disableCache() [19:17:24] well, I'm used to USING parser functions, but I'm a complete newbie to actually writing em [19:17:36] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parser_functions [19:17:42] Also read Manual:Extensions [19:18:37] thanks [19:20:35] *Biny3 stabs css [19:21:44] hi [19:22:10] :) [19:22:15] :) [19:26:26] 03(mod) HTML tweaks / Clean up ImagePage.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17617 (10innocentkiller) [19:26:42] 03(mod) hover pseudo-class for TablePager causes slowdown in IE7 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17294 (10rockmfr) [19:26:45] 03(mod) Internet Explorer (IE) issues on Windows (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640 (10rockmfr) [19:27:27] rahdlksfd! [19:27:39] just going to tell all my users to use firefox I guess! [19:28:10] 03(RESOLVED) Logo problem on IE7 in Arabic Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8427 (10rockmfr) [19:28:13] 03(mod) Internet Explorer (IE) issues on Windows (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640 (10rockmfr) [19:31:56] 03(NEW) other message for user without 'editinterface' right - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18204 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (umherirrender_de.wp) [19:39:00] 03(NEW) can edit a filter, but not save - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18205 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (umherirrender_de.wp) [19:44:36] <^demon> Mike_lifeguard: I wonder how we were luckily chosen for the Russian spam? [19:46:20] 03(NEW) "Templates used on this page" should used different message - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18206 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page editing; (umherirrender_de.wp) [19:47:10] 03(mod) "Templates used on this page" should have edit links after them if they editable. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11904 (10umherirrender_de.wp) [19:49:22] huh? [19:49:27] russian spam where? [19:51:25] <^demon> Your g-mail account. I already deleted it. It was sent to like 10-12ish MW devs. [19:51:32] <^demon> Maybe your spam caught it. Mine didn't. [19:52:09] oh, I got one [19:52:21] but I don't really use gmail any more... which was a mistake [19:52:30] they have excellent spam filtering - fastmail doesn't [19:53:16] they also read you mail... [19:53:47] yes, that's why I switched [19:54:04] was around the time I first got CU & I didn't feel comfortable with that [19:55:31] argh. monobook loading in firefox 100%, fails to load in ie7/8, didn't modify any of my skin files. [19:55:50] <^demon> Biny3: Worksforme. [19:56:19] yeah, its my internal wiki [19:56:42] have no idea what's causing it / how long it's been happening since I personally don't use IE when doing anything with the wiki. [19:56:58] <^demon> My internal wiki too, running current trunk. [19:59:33] yeah, not really sure what's going on! watching apache logs it reads /monobook fine in firefox [19:59:45] but when I load it in IE, the log shows that ie doesnt even try to load the css [20:00:13] <^demon> :-\ [20:00:25] <^demon> Sounds like you have a botched IE. Any kind of plugins, etc for it? [20:01:09] have you tried clearning the cache, deleting temporary internet files, etc? [20:01:27] it's every IE in the office :P [20:02:23] haven't tried IE6 yet, but will shortly. IE7/8 both do it [20:03:57] went and used a fresh install of mediawiki's /skins folders so its nothing specific in there [20:04:01] disabled all extensions, nothing in there [20:05:07] haha well fixed it, no idea why it broke, but. [20:05:14] removed DefaultSettings.php and got a new one [20:06:39] ah. hrm. [20:06:45] found the culprit. [20:07:18] $wgHandheldForIPhone = true; [20:08:08] 03(NEW) Strange spacing before [[irc:...]] links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (mikelifeguard) [20:08:42] 03(mod) Strange spacing before [[irc:...]] links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207 (10mikelifeguard) [20:08:58] 03(mod) Strange spacing before [[irc:...]] links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207 (10mikelifeguard) [20:09:09] <^demon> Biny3: Interesting regression if it breaks IE7/8. [20:09:28] 03(mod) Strange spacing before [[irc:...]] links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207 (10mikelifeguard) [20:09:33] indeed. [20:10:01] only diff in my DefaultSettings from mine to trunk revision was that, flipped it back to false and problems solved [20:10:48] <^demon> Biny3: I'd go ahead and file a bug for it. [20:10:51] hi * [20:10:56] is there a separate channel for pywikipedia? [20:11:07] Don't have a bugzilla account, you can file it for me if you'd like :P [20:11:14] (too busy to register one right now) [20:11:28] For some reason, get.py trashes unicode characters [20:11:34] I would like to know why :) [20:11:41] the comments around that variable indicate weirdness though [20:12:26] And this only happen when I redirect its output to pipe [20:12:34] 03nad * r48929 10/trunk/extensions/SimpleSecurity/ (SimpleSecurity.i18n.php SimpleSecurity_body.php): change protect-unchain message to security-unchain to avoid conflict in i18n [20:12:37] <^demon> Biny3: It's Brion's baby, I'll add him as a CC on it. [20:12:39] It outputs unicode to console just fine [20:12:47] thanks demon! [20:15:16] <^demon> No problem. Just added it. [20:15:21] 03(NEW) Enabling $wgHandheldForIPhone breaks Monobook in IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18208 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (innocentkiller) [20:15:37] ilyak_: : looks like #pywikipedia -- http://www.appropedia.org/Appropedia:Pywikipedia [20:16:14] Biny3: thanks [20:16:32] they also say it's quiet there, so not sure where the best place for you to get help would be unfortunately. [20:19:20] Is there any way to set read-only permissions for one specific user? [20:19:33] I mean, read-only for the entire wiki [20:20:00] <^demon> For the entire wiki, see $wgReadOnly. [20:20:08] but only for one user. [20:20:17] <^demon> Make a group that only has read rights, I suppose. [20:20:22] <^demon> Put the user in that group. [20:20:34] Won't work, you have to do it the other way around [20:20:45] Make a group for people that *can* edit [20:21:10] (people can edit if *one* of the groups they're a member of can edit, which includes '*' and 'user') [20:21:13] RoanKattouw: put everyone in a read-write group, and give read-only permissions for the group "user", right? [20:21:39] Yes [20:23:05] 03ialex * r48930 10/trunk/phase3/ (5 files in 4 dirs): [20:23:05] * (bug 17163) Added MediaWiki:Talkpage which will be displayed when viewing talk pages [20:23:05] This will be very use on the French Wikipedia to display links to realted pages, e.g. deletion request without having to add a template on every talk page [20:24:48] 03(mod) Strange spacing before [[irc:...]] links - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207 (10ahmad.m.sherif) [20:25:51] 03(mod) Several channels missing from irc.wikimedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13646 +comment (10rjd0060.wiki) [20:26:54] 03(FIXED) To create a new message displayed in reading mode for article's talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17163 +comment (10alex.emsenhuber) [20:27:45] ialex: it seems the new message has no CSS class/id [20:28:58] Raymond_: should it have one? [20:30:06] ialex: sure... because I hear the cries of people "how can I block this message. I do not need it, I do not like it, I do not xxx." *grumpf* [20:30:31] hehe [20:30:45] good point ;) [20:31:08] I do not like my green eggs and ham. [20:31:53] Biny3: eat them or the summer will be rainy... [20:32:10] <^demon> omg, must have classes and id's on EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT [20:32:43] hey guys. I'm curious about some specs for a mediawiki server running video [20:33:47] I will be installing a knowledge base-type wiki with instructional videos in a school district with about 3000 users. We only expect MAX ~100 users to access any given video. Any idea on what kind of hardware I might need? [20:34:29] 03aaron * r48931 10/trunk/phase3/includes/LogEventsList.php: Don't show unclickable show/hide links for suppression log [20:35:01] 03demon * r48932 10/trunk/extensions/Interlanguage/Interlanguage.php: Fix my own stupid error. I *always* call it wfMemc() instead of wfMemcKey(). [20:35:10] hello, is it possible to do pagination in mediawiki? I have the front page full of images and for each visit it consumes an enormous amount of bandwidth. If pagination is not possible, is there a way around this? Thanks [20:36:50] Agadr: edit the page [20:36:53] and make smaller pages [20:37:20] 03(mod) clear "File history" h2. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17021 (10hartman) [20:37:52] brion: I found the problem I was having with monobook, I had demon^ submit it. have fun! [20:38:35] <^demon> brion: Put you as a cc on it. It's bug 18208. [20:43:04] 03(FIXED) Allow exporting pages in Oasis format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3042 +comment (10brion) [20:44:46] 03(mod) Allow for exporting pages with substituted transclusions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5065 +comment (10brion) [20:45:39] tx ^demon i'll take a peek [20:45:52] 03(RESOLVED) ODF export function desired - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7627 +comment (10brion) [20:45:56] 03(RESOLVED) Allow exporting pages in Oasis format - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3042 +comment (10brion) [20:46:06] 03ialex * r48933 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Article.php: Per raymond, tweak for r48930: add "mw-talkpageheader" arround the newly added message [20:46:15] lol [20:46:17] 03aaron * r48934 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [schema change] Added 'verified' status level. Used and renamed existing SQL file since they don't build on each other. [20:46:18] <^demon> brion: No problem. [20:46:26] \o/ [20:46:34] thanks ialex :) [20:46:39] no problem :) [20:46:46] *^demon stabs ialex for id and class creep [20:46:59] ^demon: stab Raymond_ ;) [20:47:13] *^demon throws a grenade near Raymond_ and ialex both [20:47:19] o_O [20:47:20] *Raymond_ restabs ^demon [20:48:20] 03(FIXED) Distinguish "ok" revision status between "looks ok" and "I've tested it and it works" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18134 +comment (10JSchulz_4587) [20:48:25] irc.getUserByNick('^demon').className = 'mw-dev'; [20:50:22] 14(INVALID) "Paragraphs" in citations should not break into separate columns - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18162 +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp) [20:58:12] 03(mod) Enabling $wgHandheldForIPhone breaks Monobook in IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18208 (10brion) [20:59:26] We should have "we dont care about ie" [20:59:28] as a status [20:59:49] <^demon> See "Deferred" [20:59:52] haha [20:59:53] Isn't that called WONTFIX? [21:00:54] <^demon> RoanKattouw: For Bugzilla yeah. But for CodeReview, I guess deferred would suffice. [21:01:32] yeah [21:03:35] Reedy: what version of IE is that bug for? [21:03:43] not a clue [21:03:47] ah [21:04:01] Ie7/Ie8 do it for sure [21:04:07] didn't test Ie6 yet! [21:05:02] ugh [21:05:04] IE just sucks [21:05:36] microsoft should just not bundle a browser and then have a utility for installing a browser of the user's choice [21:05:51] the latter is redundant ;) [21:06:35] <^demon> Reedy: If IE didn't come bundled into Windows, it would be rather difficult to install Firefox on a virgin install ;-) [21:06:58] memory stick ftw :P [21:07:27] <^demon> Touche. [21:08:43] only reason I don't use firefox exclusively at work is because of GPO unfortunately :( [21:08:47] When reinstalling stuff I always install Firefox from a memstick so I won't have to use IE [21:08:51] 03(NEW) Provide consistent native way to attribute offsite users in revision history - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18209 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Database; (brion) [21:08:53] 04(REOPENED) Imported edits can be incorrectly attributed to whoever creates that account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13798 (10brion) [21:10:52] 03(mod) Transwiki image import - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6071 (10brion) [21:10:54] 03(mod) Add image data option to Special:Export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13827 (10brion) [21:12:43] 14(INVALID) Import and Export - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15937 +comment (10brion) [21:13:13] Anybody want https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17374 ? Looks like it's probably an easy fix [21:14:05] brion: the IE bug? [21:14:09] 03(mod) Enabling $wgHandheldForIPhone breaks Monobook in IE - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18208 +comment (10brion) [21:14:11] 03(mod) Internet Explorer (IE) issues on Windows (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640 (10brion) [21:14:15] chuck: nope [21:14:19] <^demon> chuck: No, double copies of pages in export [21:14:20] an export issue [21:14:33] <^demon> brion: I poked it, but I didn't see an immediate fix. Ideas? [21:14:44] a test for the xml problem in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16554 would be awesome too [21:14:49] ^demon: lemme double-check ... [21:18:29] ^demon: doExport() initializes the input page list from the test box, then adds template links if requested [21:18:42] the template link addition consistently normalizes them to title form [21:18:54] however, the initialization didn't [21:19:09] so if you specified them non-normalized say with underscores, they'll get listed again [21:19:33] normalizing the input set and removing duplicates at the start should clear it up [21:25:03] <^demon> brion: are array_filter callbacks passed by ref (ie: I can normalize in filterPage along with removing empty strings?) [21:25:18] i don't think so [21:25:33] <^demon> well damn :p [21:25:45] :D [21:25:52] well you could do it as a foreach easy enough :D [21:26:13] or run an array_map, then array_unique and array_filter [21:28:12] brion: hi... i sent you a mail a week ago, about coordinating for what features wmde may offer people money in some form. would you have a look? it would be kind of nice to have that info a bit before the dev meeting :) [21:28:27] sure :D [21:28:27] sec [21:30:29] Duesentrieb: Speaking of which, I said I'd do a little talk about the API next weekend, but what is expected (roughly) and when's that gonna be? [21:31:11] RoanKattouw: when what is going to be? [21:31:56] Well obviously there's a schedule, and in that schedule there's a certain time allocated for talks (or there isn't, in which case you'd better tell me before I prepare one :P ) [21:32:17] I guess I mean when mostly in terms of on which day [21:33:15] RoanKattouw: saturday. all of saturday is open space. just grab a pen and jump a slot in the grid :) friday is basically about saying hello and sorting out what people are interested in. so, mainly about planning saturday, really. [21:33:45] Right; how long are those slots? [21:33:59] 45 minutes [21:34:08] +15 minutes breaks. [21:34:09] :O [21:34:22] it's supposed to be discussions, remember :) [21:34:26] Right :P [21:34:27] <^demon> More devs should live in the along the mid-atlantic seaboard :p [21:34:43] ^demon: Which of them, the west (you), or the east (me)? [21:35:06] It's quite a difference between DC and Amsterdam :P [21:35:51] RoanKattouw: it's probably best not to give a full description of all of the api. better focus on individual aspects or features. basically... prepare what you like, but be ready to change your mind on friday :) [21:36:02] Yeah, I got that :P [21:36:21] What I was going for was explaining a bit about what it is and does without going into too much detail [21:36:29] Gotta be careful not to bore people too much [21:36:46] reduces the need to do nasty html scraping :D <3 [21:37:17] <^demon> RoanKattouw: I was referring to the west, seeing as I'm about 2hrs south of DC. [21:37:30] Yeah, I knew you lived near DC [21:37:45] (starting a Wikimania bid page for DC kind of gives that away) [21:37:45] We have some way to make a per-namespace message at the top of each page, don't we? [21:37:51] Like a template that's auto-included? [21:37:57] Not that I know of [21:38:02] We do have per-namespace editnotices though [21:38:08] Ah, just for edit. [21:38:52] Duesentrieb: But if each slot takes an hour, that basically means we'll only have 6 slots = 6 talks? That's not very much [21:40:14] 03(RESOLVED) To create a new message displayed in reading mode for article's talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17163 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [21:40:42] RoanKattouw: fixe at once. ten people each. [21:40:45] small groups [21:40:58] *five [21:41:10] Duesentrieb: replied [21:41:31] RoanKattouw: we could have shorter slots, but i want people to be able to actually discuss stuff. [21:41:41] but yes, you have to decide what session you want to attend [21:41:42] Yeah [21:42:00] But basically this means you've got 5 talks per 45-minute slot? [21:42:01] attend all sessions simultaneously [21:42:03] put a webcam at each [21:42:07] and many screens open at your laptop [21:42:10] Oh [21:42:12] <^demon> RoanKattouw: I never got serious enough to really bother putting work into that. [21:42:16] INFORMATION OVERLOAD [21:42:18] RoanKattouw: yes. well, not talks. discussions. maybe presentations. [21:42:24] You've got 5 45-min talks *simulatenously* [21:42:35] My slow mind finally gets it :P [21:42:44] ^demon: Yeah, I noticed [21:42:45] indeed [21:42:53] lol [21:42:55] only one of them will have a beamer and a mic :) [21:43:08] the rest will just be people sitting at a table. [21:43:10] I guess I should spell words right when I emphasize them [21:44:16] Do the non-beamer sessions have a whiteboard? [21:44:22] RoanKattouw: btw, are you planning on supporting accessing special page data via the API? [21:44:38] Skizzerz: Yes, I'll probably code that in the train to Berlin next Friday [21:44:44] awesome :) [21:44:45] brion: thanks. who should i poke abotu wiki access? [21:44:56] Otherwise those 8 hrs would be kinda boring [21:45:02] RoanKattouw: hm......maybe :) [21:45:09] Duesentrieb: which wiki access? [21:45:16] internal? did we forget to finish that? :D [21:45:20] RoanKattouw, :D [21:45:22] brion: yep :) [21:45:25] 03raymond * r48936 10/trunk/extensions/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [21:45:25] * Add a description message for Special:Version [21:45:25] * Add it to translatewiki.net [21:45:29] hehe lemme do that for ya [21:45:31] Though.. thats gonna make me a lot of work.. [21:45:47] or i can make cary do that, he loves that community stuff ;) [21:46:46] Duesentrieb: So basically you're telling me that I should write up a presentation, but that there's a 4/5 chance I won't get to actually present it? xD [21:47:15] looks like we've got a few overdue reqs in there :D [21:48:53] how can I get flexibale galleries like on WMC? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Featured_pictures_on_Wikimedia_Commons the ammount per row changes to your window size :) [21:48:55] RoanKattouw: if everyone wants to do a proper presentation, then yes. but that's not the plan. just grab a slot in the right room. or talk without a slideshow - what's there to show anyway? [21:49:14] Subfader: that's some javascript hack. [21:49:39] Yeah, I guess there isn't much to show except demonstrating the actual thing; which would be nice, but is not required [21:49:41] oi oi me wants [21:49:43] RoanKattouw: i mean, most presentations are just keywords. that's not absolutely necessary to have :) [21:49:55] Subfader: dig in, then :P [21:50:02] I would appreciate a whiteboard, though, especially for discussion time [21:50:28] RoanKattouw: yes, it's one the list of stuff we want. well, if all else fails, we'll tape paper to the walls :) [21:50:29] 03(NEW) Unexpected level in FlaggedRevs on pl.wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18210 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (danny.leinad) [21:50:53] RoanKattouw: and for presentations... yes, that's what the beamer is intended for. for that it makes sense. [21:50:57] so, grab it :) [21:51:04] heh [21:51:17] Well I guess having a full-blown presentation may not make as much sense [21:51:21] note that all of firday evening is not accounted for. you can do whatever with that time. [21:51:29] the venue is open, the beamer is ready. [21:51:32] I don't need a list of bullet points to tell people the basics of what the API is and does [21:51:38] right :) [21:52:10] same on sunday, btw, if you are still around then. [21:52:19] Yeah [21:52:29] I guess the JS code for teh gallieries is not public? [21:52:29] I'll be around till Monday morning [21:52:41] (consequence of free train travel in NL except weekends) [21:53:13] Subfader: sure it's public. otherwise your browser coudn't run it :) [21:54:06] brion: should i poke cary? he's active in the commons channel [21:54:18] or can you just throw something at him? [21:54:29] 03(RESOLVED) Distinguish "ok" revision status between "looks ok" and "I've tested it and it works" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18134 +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs) [21:54:40] can't you communicate without poking? :P [21:55:08] hehehe [21:55:19] *Duesentrieb pokes poke` [21:55:27] 03simetrical * r48937 10/trunk/extensions/CodeReview/codereview.sql: [21:55:27] Add comment for r48934 [21:55:27] Also add comment for 'reverted', although that's pretty [21:55:27] self-explanatory. [21:55:36] :D [21:55:51] Oh, cool, "Follow-up revisions" on Code Review is automagical. [21:55:59] Yeah [21:56:08] *Simetrical wasn't sure he saw the point at first, but now likes CodeReview a lot [21:56:14] It'd be nice to e-mail notify for followups though [21:56:23] Like get an e-mail when Brion (or Werdna in my case) reverts you [21:56:30] *RoanKattouw files that [21:56:47] and irc notifications for comments and status changes :) [21:57:48] Yeah, that too [21:57:48] 03(NEW) E-mail notify when a followup rev is made - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18211 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CodeReview; (roan.kattouw) [22:01:26] 03demon * r48938 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES includes/specials/SpecialExport.php): (bug 17374) Special:Export no longer exports two copies of the same page [22:01:32] 03(FIXED) special:export exports two copies of pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17374 +comment (10innocentkiller) [22:01:42] well, can't seem to find it on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js at least [22:02:16] Duesentrieb: i poked cary, cary's poking dungodung [22:02:25] not sure what happened after that ;) [22:02:52] brion, you'll get poked by someone else about it ;) [22:02:57] <^demon> brion: Mind poking 2 of my patches? One should only take about 30 seconds. [22:03:48] brion: Just out of curiosity and not pushing either way, what happens to the money Google gives to WMF for the GSoC projects ($500 per project IIRC)? Is that poured into the WMF machine or does it flow back to the mentors? [22:05:10] RoanKattouw, I think mentors just get a T-shirt. [22:05:12] \o/ [22:05:26] *Simetrical hopes he picked the right size [22:05:34] Yeah, it's not like I'm expecting or demanding anything, just curious [22:05:40] RoanKattouw: afaik we can do whatever we like with it :) [22:05:44] nothing specific planned [22:05:55] at least not yet [22:06:04] ^demon: sure show me [22:06:34] <^demon> bug 14597 (Alt message for CentralAuth images) <- that's the quick one [22:06:50] <^demon> bug 13750 (The capital links stuff) <- might take longer [22:07:39] 03daniel * r48939 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordBuilder/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/store/builder/ (3 files): force index for resolve-alias [22:07:56] ok sec [22:08:20] <^demon> RoanKattouw: Fwiw, the SemanticLayers code is a mess :-\ [22:13:49] 14(DUP) missingsummary conflicts with Extension:ConfirmEdit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18126 +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp) [22:13:50] 03(mod) Edit summary reminder preference conflicts with CAPTCHA extensions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10729 +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp) [22:19:28] 03(RESOLVED) Inputbox search forms do "go" when hitting Enter in Internet Explorer - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17161 +comment (10umherirrender_de.wp) [22:19:29] 03(mod) Internet Explorer (IE) issues on Windows (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640 (10umherirrender_de.wp) [22:19:43] 03(mod) central-auth ALT message for browsers with images disabled - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14597 (10brion) [22:19:50] ^demon: http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=5972 [22:20:04] i dunno, that's not too attractive imo :) [22:21:06] *^demon shrugs [22:21:21] <^demon> jidanni is the one always complaining about people who have edge-case browsers. I just implemented the suggestion :) [22:28:03] heh [22:29:34] 03(NEW) Configuration search form suggest - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18212 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Search; (abutko) [22:32:02] 03(mod) Upgrade Bugzilla to 3.2 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16777 +comment (10brion) [22:34:00] brion, i think Rob will love you for saying that ;) [22:35:37] 03(mod) To create a new message displayed in reading mode for article's talk pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17163 (10alex.emsenhuber) [22:35:58] 03dale * r48940 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/ (11 files in 7 dirs): [22:35:58] * some form processing refactoring [22:35:58] * set commons as default [22:35:58] * added basic layout control [22:37:54] hehe [22:38:17] I like the Monobook-ness. :-( [22:38:32] offer to migrate the themes then :P [22:38:39] *Marybelle hides. [22:44:27] 03(mod) Database dump processes halted since 26-Feb-09 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17535 (10brion) [22:46:00] 03(mod) Dump the article titles lists (all-titles-in-ns0.gz) every day - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13693 (10brion) [22:50:12] 03dale * r48941 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/add_media_wizard.js: fixes for easy gadget copy-config (without an extra js request) [22:52:04] 03(mod) Too much spam via Mailing List bounce/moderation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11845 (10brion) [22:52:40] 14(INVALID) Mailing lists search does not support Arabic properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13888 +comment (10brion) [22:55:45] 03(mod) Mailing lists need search function readded - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17390 +comment (10brion) [22:55:52] poor aZaFred ... i'm finding all the ancient sysadmin issues to assign to him ;) [22:57:06] 03(mod) Subscribers reporting receiving multiple copies of messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17801 (10brion) [22:57:49] 14(DUP) UTF-8 for the mediawiki-cvs-request digest mode - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16142 +comment (10brion) [22:57:53] 03(mod) Bad unicode rendering in digest and mail send to name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15223 +comment (10brion) [22:58:12] 03(mod) Bad unicode rendering in digest and mail send to name - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15223 (10brion) [22:58:21] 03dale * r48942 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/includes/MV_Index.php: fixed instance referenced in static context [22:58:33] yeah, I really feel bad for him... [23:09:11] 03(NEW) Make Resize Galleries default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18213 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: General/Unknown; (subfader) [23:10:13] 03(mod) Make Resize Galleries default - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18213 (10subfader) [23:12:20] 14(DUP) Special:Watchlist enhancement - show new changes starting from... - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10015 +comment (10kceczolx) [23:12:23] 03(mod) Add "show new changes starting from" links to Watchlist and Newpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4903 +comment (10kceczolx) [23:12:49] why is the thumbnail size setting in the user prefs not applied to galleryboxes? I would assume so setting this pref [23:13:34] or why is there no seperate setting for this? [23:15:12] it's just a hardcoded 120px, no size pref ... [23:15:22] thumbnail default is 180 which would probably be a bit big for galleries [23:15:45] could make it a pref i suppose, but i'd really rather not multiply that kind of preference, it breaks caching locality [23:16:45] it just may canfusing cos it are thumbnails too. and if the usr prefers to have small images bigger than this should also apply for galleries [23:16:55] thumbnail settings could be more felxibale ;) [23:17:18] i mean bigger and smaller [23:17:19] 03(NEW) Differentiate between manual and automatic account creations in #central - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18214 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: CentralAuth; (mikelifeguard) [23:17:36] although smaller may not be useful [23:19:54] i guess it was not added cos of the default 4 boxes per row? see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18213 about making the gallery width felxibale per default [23:19:54] 03(mod) Differentiate between manual and automatic account creations in #central - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18214 +comment (10brion) [23:23:28] 03dale * r48943 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed bug in metavid insert media [23:30:00] 03dale * r48944 10/trunk/extensions/MetavidWiki/skins/mv_embed/libAddMedia/ (remoteSearchDriver.js searchLibs/metavidSearch.js): [23:30:00] strip html from description [23:30:00] other minor fixes [23:30:50] so, for recent changes paging, what paging UI in mediawiki sucks the least? 3 column with top floating to/from in prefixindex/allpages, tablepager with the huge bordered tables, or the log/contribs 'older/newer'? [23:34:55] 03(mod) Differentiate between manual and automatic account creations in #central - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18214 +comment (10mikelifeguard) [23:36:11] How can I mark up text (eg, in a normal or template page) so that it doesn't display? [23:38:47] I'm having some weird issue with nested parserfunctions here. Look at http://www.dotawiki.de/index.php/DotAWiki:Sandbox for example. [23:39:34] mdale: ok you're now 'author' on the blog, should be able to post :D [23:39:44] all parserfunction #randgen does is invoke the php rand() command with the two params like rand(1,other function) [23:40:14] brion: thanks ;) [23:40:30] oh, actually there's a php warning coming up [23:40:30] Warning: rand() expects parameter 1 to be long, string given in /chroots/dwadmin/home/dwadmin/htdocs/extensions/ParserRand.php on line 35 [23:41:06] but the first parameter is "1", which last time i checked was an int *confused* [23:42:21] rand gets invoked like rand([Minval],[Maxval]), which is exactly what it should be, because parserfunction #ask returns an integer (2) [23:43:02] Any hints on this? :/ [23:45:27] I don't know if something's wrong with the way i invoked the rand() function (#randgen is "homemade"), but nesting parserfunctions should be possible i thought [23:45:42] hi - jemand hier der deutsch spricht und mir helfen k�nnte? [23:46:36] you might check if #ask output works in something like #expr [23:47:15] sometimes something can look like perfectly numerical output, but actually not be... like for example a template with contents: "24[[Category:Foo]]", the output will show 24 but a parserfunction will see the pre-parsed category [23:47:41] Rich_Morin: in normal pages you can use normal html-comments like i think, in templates you can use , or maybe you want [23:47:48] seems to work fine nested in #expr [23:48:04] er rather i checked with #ifexpr [23:48:11] peder - thanks; I'll try those ideas [23:48:29] [23:48:29] somewhere you can adjust the contributions are reviewed before they are set? [23:49:00] expr works fine as well [23:49:13] Rich_Morin: you have also, for text that only shows when included [23:50:24] The randgen function looks like this [23:50:24] function efRandGen_Render( &$parser, $param1 = '', $param2 = '' ) { [23:50:25] $output = rand($param1,$param2); [23:50:25] $parser->disableCache(); [23:50:25] return $output; [23:50:25] } [23:51:24] 03(NEW) new message for no changes by using "show changes" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18215 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (umherirrender_de.wp) [23:53:44] ok, issue resolved [23:53:47] ah CRAP [23:53:55] sometimes its the simplest of things [23:53:55] >.< [23:54:27] had one pipe too much in the code, which made param1 be empty [23:54:38] sry to have wasted some of your time >.< [23:56:13] sheesh, localized the status in Special:Code? seems like that'd be a static method, like bugzilla status [23:56:48] fine, I'll pull the status from the class name [23:56:52] *Splarka pokles brion [23:57:05] *brion giggles [23:57:07] wot [23:57:11] :D [23:57:23] we ain't no english-centric jerks here [23:57:25] we localize everything [23:57:39] yes you are, you just pretend not to be, with token translate projects! [23:57:57] tengo un problemo avec dieso religione