[00:10:42] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r50995 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/specialpages/RatingHistory_body.php: Removed error suppression
[00:24:44] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r50996 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevision.php FlaggedRevs.class.php FlaggedRevs.php): Replace some hard-coded integers with constants
[00:43:49] <CIA-9>	03rarohde * r50997 10/trunk/extensions/ParserFunctions/ (5 files): (Bug 6455) Add string function support to ParserFunctions
[00:46:43] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r50998 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/ (FlaggedRevs.class.php maintenance/reviewAllPages.inc): Merged some tag functions for simplicity
[00:47:09] <Supaplex>	How can I use a {{if: ...}} markup in a template to include [[hello {{{q3}}}] only when q3 is supplied?  {{if:{{{q3}}}|[[hello {{{q3}}}]]}} doesn't seem to do what I expect.
[00:47:37] <Skizzerz>	you need {{#if:{{{q3|}}}|[[hello...
[00:47:41] <Skizzerz>	notice the pipe
[00:47:45] <Supaplex>	yeah
[00:47:52] <Supaplex>	ahh. I get it now. :P
[00:47:58] <Supaplex>	thanks!
[00:48:06] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r50999 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedArticle.php: Escape revreview-locked-title messages
[00:49:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Install the StringFunctions extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455  (10rohde)
[00:52:11] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Install the StringFunctions extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6455  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[00:58:15] <AzaTht>	Ouch, just noticed that thumbcaption is using both <center> and <font size=>
[00:59:37] <AzaTht>	EVIL!!!
[01:00:31] <Simetrical>	sofixit
[01:01:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) thumbcaption is using center and font tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18921 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (azatoth)
[01:01:51] <AzaTht>	{{doesnthavecommitaccessffs}}
[01:02:06] <Simetrical>	That's no excuse, submit a patch.
[01:02:19] <AzaTht>	that is to no avail, no one reads the patches
[01:02:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) thumbcaption is using center and font tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18921  normal->trivial (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[01:03:17] <AzaTht>	Simetrical: what about the RSS/Atom bug I reported before, you think it is also trivial?
[01:03:32] <Simetrical>	No, that sounds more like minor.
[01:03:39] <Simetrical>	Well, maybe trivial.
[01:04:34] <AzaTht>	I got tired of submitting patches when they lied around there aging and become incomatible with svn
[01:06:01] <Simetrical>	So you should submit like ten and then ask for commit access, pointing to all the patches you've submitted.
[01:06:10] <Simetrical>	Worth a try!
[01:06:27] <AzaTht>	haha
[02:09:56] <Matt_>	don't get it :/ I've deleted files from the DB and the stats of the wiki are not showing any differences in the number of articles?!?
[02:16:27] <atglenn>	maybe the things you deleted werent' in the main namespace with [[ ]] in them? 
[02:16:42] <atglenn>	or maybe the stats needs refreshed? 
[02:17:07] <Matt_>	talking about a refreshLinks.php?
[02:17:58] <Matt_>	atglenn, I got rid of articles that also were in the main namespace...
[02:19:09] <atglenn>	try purging the stats? 
[02:19:10] <atglenn>	page
[02:19:29] <Matt_>	do you know which script by chance?
[02:20:00] <Matt_>	purgeList?
[02:28:10] <atglenn>	no I don't, I'd have to poke around :-( 
[02:35:49] <Matt_>	i think i got it
[02:35:51] <Matt_>	thanks
[02:38:56] <Matt_>	I ran the updateArticleCount.php, and got this: "To update the site statistics table, run the script with the --update option."
[02:39:09] <Matt_>	anyone knows what --update option is?
[02:39:13] <Matt_>	please
[02:39:43] <Matt_>	or are you all gone to germany with easyjet?
[02:39:58] <Mike_lifeguard>	Matt_: on the command line you do 'php whatever.php --update'
[02:40:08] <Matt_>	thanks!
[02:42:49] <Matt_>	Mike_lifeguard: So i had to delete almost all my articles. It says there's 7 counting articles found, but still display 1256 on the website stats
[02:43:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	which update script did you run
[02:43:24] <Mike_lifeguard>	?
[02:44:06] <Matt_>	updateArticleCount, update, rebuildall
[02:44:12] <Matt_>	refreshLinks
[02:44:16] <Matt_>	so far
[02:47:35] <Matt_>	Mike_lifeguard: I did a --update after a rebuildall.php and it worked. Thanks!
[02:48:04] <Mike_lifeguard>	but i didn't do anything
[02:48:38] <Matt_>	you told me about the --update
[02:50:08] <Mike_lifeguard>	easy to please you then :P
[03:30:47] <Matt_>	g night all!
[03:36:07] <CIA-9>	03tomasz * r51000 10/trunk/backup/worker.py: Bug fix for #18808. Moving XmlLogging into it's own class for clarity. Removing broken logging job. Also cleaning up any tab/space/whitespace issues
[03:44:19] <atglenn>	huh, someone else working late
[03:59:29] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Page Logging portion of XML Dump is broken - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18808  +comment (10tfinc)
[04:27:36] <CIA-9>	03shinjiman * r51001 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[04:43:08] <epsilom>	HI, I have a question, how do I do that main page dont see title "Main Page"?
[04:44:56] <chuck>	epsilom: add this to the MediaWiki:Common.css file:
[04:44:57] <Splarka>	MediaWiki:Monobook.css
[04:44:59] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?sKtZYQrwtUpDbgrPnjkAcA
[04:45:02] <chuck>	body.page-Main_Page h1.firstHeading { display:none }
[04:45:16] <Splarka>	chuck: not Common, isn't for all skins
[04:45:27] *chuck 	hides
[04:46:30] <epsilom>	mmm thanks! I try it
[04:50:53] <epsilom>	it work! thanks again :P
[05:00:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Deadlock FlaggedRevision::insertOn while saving a page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17275  +comment (10tstarling)
[05:44:55] <Splarka>	wat
[05:45:15] <Splarka>	StringFunctions merged with ParserFunctions?
[05:46:23] *Splarka 	stares at r50997
[05:48:27] <Nikerabbit>	morning
[05:52:14] *charitwo 	sends Splarka to bed without dinner
[05:53:20] <Splarka>	TimStarling: will Wikimedia implement 50997, will it get reverted, or will it be like DPL, where Wikimedia basically forks the extension and uses it under the same name but in the old style, sort of like how DPL became DPL2 and then SuperDPL and whatever wikinews uses is still referred to as 'DPL'
[05:53:34] *Splarka 	hates that
[05:54:33] <TimStarling>	it was merged once before, brion reverted it
[05:55:11] <TimStarling>	I'm sure he'd be happy to do it again
[05:55:14] <Splarka>	right, but the 'official' reasons being utf-8 support, DOS vectors, ugly inefficient code etc.. as they get solved, the real reasons may get forgotten
[05:55:45] <TimStarling>	maybe it's better to have a configuration setting
[05:55:50] <TimStarling>	$wgEnableStringFunctions
[05:55:57] <Splarka>	and.. well, after 3 months, the scap may be a bit hasty... the worst thing that can happen is to have it implemented on WMF and later removed, leaving broken templates
[05:56:01] <Splarka>	heh, probably
[06:03:45] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) Wikimedia error from POST - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18920  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[06:03:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) api.php can return an "wikimedia foundation error" html page - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10733  +comment (10roan.kattouw)
[07:46:44] <CIA-9>	03tstarling * r51002 10/trunk/ (8 files in 4 dirs): 
[07:46:44] <CIA-9>	Reverted r49855, r49656, r49401, r49399, r49397. The language converter cannot
[07:46:44] <CIA-9>	be used outside the parser at present without generating a large number of bugs,
[07:46:44] <CIA-9>	due to global lifetime state variables, inappropriate $wgParser references, etc.
[07:46:44] <CIA-9>	Some refactoring needs to be done before it can be used in this way.
[08:22:16] <atomjani>	hi
[08:22:24] <atomjani>	i have one problem
[08:23:18] <atomjani>	i like upload picture, but i get error
[08:23:35] <atomjani>	this file is png
[08:24:27] <Duesentrieb>	atomjani: what error, exactly?
[08:24:42] <atomjani>	i set $wgEnableUploads = false; to true in LocalSettings.php
[08:25:02] <atomjani>	"	 The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and try again!"
[08:25:11] <Duesentrieb>	!mime | atomjani
[08:25:11] --mwbot--	atomjani: For assistance in configuring mime type detection on MediaWiki, please consult < http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Mime_type_detection >
[08:25:32] <atomjani>	i add pnp to  $wgFileExtensions = array('png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'doc', 'xls', 'mpp', 'pdf', 'zip');
[08:25:46] <atomjani>	in defaultsetting.php
[08:26:00] <Duesentrieb>	something is wrong with your mime type detection
[08:26:05] <Duesentrieb>	read the page i likned to above+
[08:26:52] <Duesentrieb>	specifically, try using $wgMimeDetectorCommand = "file -bi";
[08:27:05] <Duesentrieb>	oh, and check that the file actually *is* a png.
[08:27:13] <Duesentrieb>	try a different png from a different source too
[08:36:23] <TimStarling>	pnp?
[08:37:15] <atomjani>	png
[08:37:25] <atomjani>	sorry
[08:37:31] <TimStarling>	that's allowed by default though, you wouldn't have had to change anything
[08:38:51] <atomjani>	i try with other extension
[08:39:55] <TimStarling>	did you change anything else to do with uploads?
[08:40:18] <Splarka>	http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/cgi-bin/mw-logs.py?search=The%20file%20is%20corrupt%20or%20has%20an%20incorrect%20extension.  X_X
[08:41:16] <TimStarling>	I'm searching bugzilla for it
[08:41:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Spanish wikipedia XML dump problems - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18694  (10tfinc)
[08:44:15] <atomjani>	the jpg is ok
[08:45:59] <TimStarling>	you mean when you rename it to .jpg, it worked?
[08:51:44] <atomjani>	i upload pnp file, and the outfile is jpg. This is ok.
[08:53:40] <atomjani>	but i upload png file, and the outfile is png. this is not ok, and i ger erre message
[08:53:59] <atomjani>	*get
[08:54:51] <atomjani>	i like that the outfile is png extension
[08:55:02] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) MIDI files - inconsistent handling of [[File:...]] vs [[:File:...]] vs [[Media:...]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18922 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: File/Repo; (happy-melon)
[08:57:15] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) uploadcorrupt error message is vague and confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18923 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Uploading; (tstarling)
[09:00:30] <Splarka>	heh
[09:13:21] <CIA-9>	03mfarag * r51003 10/trunk/tools/planet/ar/config.ini: add 2
[09:19:23] <brianmc>	is the extension here, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NamespacePermissions downloadable anywhere? Can't see a link to a tarball from that page
[09:20:28] <TimStarling>	it's got the entire source there on the page
[09:21:05] <TimStarling>	if you do copy it off the page, you should probably check that it wasn't vandalised shortly before with a shell execution vulnerability
[09:22:22] <TimStarling>	not that there was any security review to start with of course
[09:23:28] <brianmc>	heh, enage tinfoil before installing
[09:23:42] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r51004 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Simplified reviewLogLine()
[09:23:58] <werdna>	well, there are plenty of developers in the world who don't know how to write a secure extension :)
[09:27:22] <werdna>	myself included, on occasion :)
[09:33:50] <fishsponge_>	hey people... when i do a list within a list (i.e. starting each line with ##), can i make it go a, b, c, d instead of 1, 2, 3, 4 ?
[09:34:13] <fishsponge_>	i want to have things like 1a and 6b etc... not 1,1 and 6,2
[09:34:29] <fishsponge_>	well, that's how i want to reference them verbally anyway... 
[09:34:42] <TimStarling>	I think that's pretty easy with CSS
[09:34:52] <TimStarling>	you'd have to use descendant selectors though :P
[09:35:49] <werdna>	ew
[09:45:05] <Splarka>	fishsponge_: ol ol {list-style-type: lower-alpha}
[09:45:23] <Splarka>	(though then you have to change it back for ol ol ol, or alternate)
[09:45:32] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) In combination with MW 1.16 alpha, newest SVN DynamicPageList breaks general layout through error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18924 critical; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: DynamicPageList; (g.m.hagedorn)
[09:46:36] <Splarka>	http://p.defau.lt/?eRY2xemgRV91zn8IMYVCsw
[09:50:39] <fishsponge_>	Splarka, thanks for that... is there any way to do it page for page though?
[09:50:54] <fishsponge_>	(i.e. i don't really want it across the whole site...
[09:50:55] <fishsponge_>	)
[09:51:19] <roberthl>	If you are using a newish version of MediaWiki there is a CSS class for each page.
[09:51:20] <TimStarling>	.cutelists ol ol {list-style-type: lower-alpha}
[09:51:27] <Splarka>	<div class="somestylehere"> ... list her e</div>
[09:51:40] <Splarka>	^ like that
[09:51:40] <TimStarling>	<div class="cutelists"> ## List item </div>
[09:51:52] <TimStarling>	it's evil though
[09:51:58] <TimStarling>	all descendant selectors are evil
[09:52:08] <roberthl>	.page-Namespace_Pagename ol ol ...
[09:52:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to suppress attribute links in result tables of #ask - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17376  (10christian.illy)
[09:52:13] <Splarka>	sibling selectors are evil...
[09:52:30] <Splarka>	roberthl: that requires an edit to site css for every newpage with such a list
[09:52:37] <TimStarling>	they're the ones that made typing into text boxes really slow in some versions of firefox, aren't they?
[09:52:37] <Splarka>	not terribly scaleable
[09:52:52] <roberthl>	ok
[09:53:09] <Splarka>	TimStarling: it was Opera, it was sibling (not descendant), if you mean the time I tried to help, heh
[09:53:14] <fishsponge_>	also, when in a numbered list, is there any way to put in a set of commands (for example) without breaking the numbering? basically i'm in a numbered list, but i want to start some lines in the middle with spaces to make them monospace etc... but that ruins the numbering...
[09:53:17] <Splarka>	td + td
[09:53:41] <Splarka>	fishsponge_: use <ol> <li> manually
[09:53:56] <Splarka>	any newline breaks a list (there is an open bug about that)
[09:54:01] <fishsponge_>	hmm... ok... that's kinda annoying, but the only way i suppose!
[09:54:10] <Splarka>	yes, it is annoying
[09:54:15] <fishsponge_>	as long as there's a bug for it, that'll do nicely! i know it'll be fixed someday then :-)
[09:54:24] <roberthl>	well
[09:54:27] <Splarka>	heh
[09:54:32] <Splarka>	fishsponge_: very optimisic of you
[09:54:44] <fishsponge_>	lol
[09:54:45] <TimStarling>	I think <ol> is a reasonable solution
[09:54:48] <fishsponge_>	i agree
[09:54:56] <fishsponge_>	well, workaround anyway ;-)
[09:54:58] <Splarka>	Tim: you opened a bug about it, too
[09:55:09] <Splarka>	(it was duped though)
[09:56:06] <TimStarling>	the "#" shortcut is there when you want nice-looking syntax, which you're not going to get if you have list-style-type settings and numbering offsets and what not
[09:56:34] <Splarka>	well
[09:56:40] <Splarka>	it would be nice then to be able to mix wiki and html
[09:56:44] <Splarka>	like you can do with tables
[09:56:56] <werdna>	you can't really do that with tables -- only with tidy enabled
[09:57:01] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13223
[09:57:15] *Splarka 	shakes fist at tidy, again
[10:04:02] <spectie>	hello all, i am having some problem getting edit buttons to appear in my mediawiki installation. 
[10:04:18] <spectie>	i have added the stuff from en.wiki Common.js and Common.js/edit.js to my installation
[10:04:24] <spectie>	and done force-refresh
[10:04:26] <spectie>	but so far no joy
[10:04:32] <spectie>	is there anything else i need to change ?
[10:04:45] <Splarka>	is Common.js importing Common.js/edit.js  ?
[10:05:01] <spectie>	yes
[10:05:09] <spectie>	http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[10:05:13] <Splarka>	any console errors?
[10:05:15] <spectie>	http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js
[10:05:18] <roberthl>	have you enabled site javascript in LocalSettings.php?
[10:05:37] <spectie>	let me see
[10:06:09] <spectie>	hmm, i don't see anything about that
[10:06:12] <spectie>	which line should i add ?
[10:06:32] <spectie>	:q
[10:06:34] <spectie>	oops
[10:06:37] <Splarka>	roberthl: should be on by default
[10:06:45] <spectie>	# grep -nHi javascript LocalSettings.php 
[10:06:45] <spectie>	 
[10:06:54] <Splarka>	<script type="text/javascript" src="/w/index.php?title=-&amp;action=raw&amp;gen=js&amp;useskin=monobook"><!-- site js --></script>
[10:06:58] <Splarka>	shows in their page source
[10:07:16] <roberthl>	didn't think it used to be, sorry
[10:07:20] <Splarka>	np
[10:07:24] <Splarka>	user css/js isn't
[10:07:56] <fishsponge_>	is there a way to use the current section heading? (i.e. something like {{heading}} which equates to the text in the === === wrappers)?
[10:08:00] <Splarka>	1.12 had importScript...
[10:08:10] <fishsponge_>	if we change the heading, we want it to change in the content too, basically
[10:08:32] <spectie>	Splarka, do they appear for you
[10:08:35] <spectie>	e.g. if you look at
[10:08:38] <spectie>	http://wiki.apertium.org/w/index.php?title=Documentation_of_Matxin&action=edit
[10:08:41] <Splarka>	fishsponge_: that is also an open bug
[10:08:42] <spectie>	it could be because i'm behind a proxy
[10:08:45] <spectie>	because i'm not sure
[10:08:50] <spectie>	*but i'm...
[10:08:51] <fishsponge_>	Splarka, oh good! :-)
[10:09:56] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) history.js removes class names of list elements on initialization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18925 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (b.manolov)
[10:11:08] *Splarka 	sighs
[10:11:11] <Splarka>	spectie: Error: addButton is not definedSource File: http://wiki.apertium.org/w/index.php?title=Documentation_of_Matxin&action=editLine: 86
[10:11:23] <spectie>	aha
[10:11:28] <spectie>	any idea how i can fix it ?
[10:11:58] <Splarka>	ehm
[10:12:18] <Splarka>	I think your wikibits.js is too new
[10:12:36] <Splarka>	http://wiki.apertium.org/w/skins/common/wikibits.js?116
[10:12:53] <spectie>	i have the old version
[10:13:11] <Splarka>	no addButton there
[10:13:18] <spectie>	now they appear
[10:13:19] <spectie>	thanks !
[10:13:30] <Splarka>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=35024
[10:13:32] <spectie>	i can't remember why i changed it :)
[10:13:42] <Splarka>	edit.js was forked off in 1.13
[10:13:56] <Splarka>	so wikibits.js post 1.12 won't work with pre 1.13
[10:14:25] <Splarka>	blame brion
[10:16:16] <spectie>	:)
[10:16:17] <spectie>	well
[10:16:19] <spectie>	thanks for the help!
[10:16:38] <Splarka>	rar
[10:17:45] <werdna>	hmm, is it safe to compare Article objects?
[10:17:50] <werdna>	i.e. if $article == $wgArticle
[10:19:51] <TheDevilOnLine>	if you would do $article === $wgArticle  (so 3 times an =)
[10:20:39] <TheDevilOnLine>	with 3 ='s it also checks if the objects are both of the same class (so you won't compare apples and peaches)
[10:20:41] <werdna>	I think I need to use $article->getTitle() == $wgArticle->getTitle();
[10:20:52] <werdna>	since Article has no equals() method
[10:21:15] <werdna>	hi RoanKattouw 
[10:21:15] <TheDevilOnLine>	if you use the 3 ='s it checks if the contents of both objects are the same
[10:21:31] <werdna>	yes but they won't necessarily be the same even if they refer to the same article.
[10:21:41] <werdna>	for instance, one may be loaded, and one may be unloaded
[10:21:45] <RoanKattouw>	Hi werdna
[10:21:52] <TheDevilOnLine>	that's correct werdna 
[10:22:15] <RoanKattouw>	Always use equals() to compare objects
[10:22:29] <werdna>	Article object doesn't have such a method
[10:22:32] <werdna>	so I'm comparing titles.
[10:22:49] <TheDevilOnLine>	werdna: don't only compare the title, also compare the namespace
[10:23:04] <werdna>	a title object is a namespace/title tuple
[10:23:13] <werdna>	well, namespace/text
[10:23:32] <TheDevilOnLine>	ok
[10:24:18] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: cheapest to berlin seems to be £70 return with ryanair, including their fees for checking in, bags, farting, looking kind of dodgy, and coughing at inappropriate times.
[10:24:26] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[10:24:47] <RoanKattouw>	Even with advance notice the train isn't gonna be drastically cheaper, and takes a lot longre
[10:25:01] <werdna>	right
[10:25:16] <CIA-9>	03thedevilonline * r51005 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.class.php: Cleaned up some code and added some error prevention
[10:25:36] <RoanKattouw>	But does the 70 quid fare mean getting up at 3? :P
[10:26:16] <werdna>	I don't remember :)
[10:26:54] <RoanKattouw>	I assume that's a flight to Schönefeld then?
[10:27:37] <werdna>	yes, from stansted
[10:27:46] <werdna>	ew, I'd get in at 22:40 back to stansted
[10:28:04] <RoanKattouw>	That's not that bad, is it?
[10:28:40] <werdna>	looks like everything's still running at that time
[10:29:20] <RoanKattouw>	Should be; tube stops at 1 IIRC
[10:30:00] <roberthl>	there are night busses in london if you miss the tube dpeneding on where you're going
[10:30:02] <RoanKattouw>	I live in the middle of nowhere and the last train is still 23:23
[10:30:06] <werdna>	it's national rail, not the tube
[10:30:12] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[10:30:13] <werdna>	well, national rail + a bus
[10:30:22] <RoanKattouw>	I'd be worried about the bus most
[10:31:39] <werdna>	jeeez, stansted is the middle of nowhere
[10:31:56] <roberthl>	it has its own train station though
[10:32:17] <werdna>	yeah, it's easy enough to get into central london
[10:32:30] <RoanKattouw>	WTF
[10:32:31] <werdna>	and from central london I can tube+dlr or bus down to where I live
[10:32:43] <werdna>	ah, ryanair wasn't including taxes and fees
[10:32:50] *werdna 	rolleyes
[10:33:10] <RoanKattouw>	They probably have fees on top of the taxes on the fees or something
[10:33:21] <werdna>	yeah they do
[10:33:34] <werdna>	looks like ryanair is closer to 150 pounds
[10:33:52] <roberthl>	tried easyjet?
[10:34:10] <werdna>	I was just thinking though, maybe I can book some award flights, I've got about 60k ff miles split between star alliance and oneworld
[10:34:45] <werdna>	yeah easyjet was about 105-110 pounds
[10:38:00] <QuestPC>	Hi! Do you know why utf8 urls become garbled with NameVirtualHost *:80 <VirtualHost *:80> and got passed to mediawiki fine when I change both to 127.0.0.1:80 ? In a local installation of mediawiki. But 127.0.0.1 might be not enough, since another IP can be assigned with DHCP.
[10:38:19] <RoanKattouw>	QuestPC: Looks like an Apache bug
[10:38:24] <QuestPC>	It's a windows installation with EasyPHP3.
[10:39:00] <QuestPC>	RoanKattouw: but it has the latest apache, I think. or at least the recent one (2.2 branch)
[10:39:31] <RoanKattouw>	Oh, I said 'bug', but I meant 'configuration issue' :P
[10:39:54] <QuestPC>	RoanKattouw: the users need half-automatical installation of wiki, that's why EasyPHP3 is being used. I personally very much prefer to install manually.
[10:40:44] <QuestPC>	RoanKattouw: also it seems that apache for windows has more problems than *nix versions..
[10:40:56] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: A single fare on the S-Bahn from Schönefeld to the city center is E 2,80
[10:41:27] <RoanKattouw>	QuestPC: That wouldn't surprise me at all; Apache on Windows works fine for me, but I don't use exotic characters
[10:41:34] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: that's pretty cheap
[10:41:54] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah, transport in Berlin is cheap
[10:41:59] <QuestPC>	RoanKattouw: the problem is, IP is assigned via DHCP so I can't just write another NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78:80 in the httpd.conf :-(
[10:42:05] <RoanKattouw>	A day travelcard in zones A&B is 6,10
[10:42:25] <werdna>	do you have something similar to oyster?
[10:42:45] <RoanKattouw>	No
[10:42:55] <RoanKattouw>	It's just paper tickets
[10:42:57] <QuestPC>	RoanKattouw: these characters aren't exotic in Russia. also I have another  manually installed setup of a.m.p. in windows where is no such problem. but here I've tied with EasyPHP3.
[10:43:17] <werdna>	lame
[10:43:19] <RoanKattouw>	Oh and there's even a special tariff for short journeys of max. 3 stops
[10:43:21] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[10:43:30] <RoanKattouw>	Berlin transport is cheap but also old
[10:43:39] <werdna>	I have to wrestle with ticket machines in german :P
[10:44:12] <werdna>	easyjet is 100 pounds including a bag.
[10:44:23] <RoanKattouw>	lol ; electronic ticket machines should have an English mode too, I think
[10:44:37] <werdna>	drops to 84 pounds if I take carry-on
[10:44:38] <werdna>	hmm
[10:45:17] <QuestPC>	RoanKattouw: Can I encode/decode REQUEST_URI or PATH_INFO so webrequest.php will parse them without converting to garbled chars?
[10:46:00] <RoanKattouw>	It's probably not WebRequest's fault, but your webserver's or PHP's
[10:46:22] <RoanKattouw>	You could try setting $wgUsePathInfo = false; and using long URLs
[10:46:24] <QuestPC>	RoanKattouw: yes, I know. perhaps a different question - can it be reverse-fixed.
[10:46:49] <QuestPC>	hmm... no pretty urls? users won't agree.
[10:47:02] <RoanKattouw>	I get that
[10:47:15] <RoanKattouw>	You can still do pretty URLs with rewrite rules
[10:47:48] <RoanKattouw>	But your ugly URLs have to go from index.php/Foo to index.php?title=Foo
[10:48:02] <QuestPC>	RoanKattouw: and "officially-approved" alias method for short urls doesn't work on this. ok, I'll try again with mod_rewrite.
[10:49:45] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Out of curiosity, do you speak any foreign language?
[10:52:40] <CIA-9>	03daniel * r51006 10/trunk/WikiWord/WikiWordIntegrator/src/main/java/de/brightbyte/wikiword/integrator/ (5 files): infrastructure for processing mappings
[10:54:02] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: a very small amount of french
[10:54:08] <werdna>	and like 3 words of italian/japanes
[10:54:09] <werdna>	e
[10:56:36] <RoanKattouw>	Hey werdna do you have shell access to the WMF cluster?
[10:59:16] <werdna>	yes
[11:00:08] <RoanKattouw>	Oh wait I actually don't need it :P I was looking for a dump of the enwiki interwiki table, but I already found it at the data dumps site
[11:02:10] <werdna>	TimStarling: * Uses the PHP diff engine instead of wikidiff2, this needs to be fixed. Use showDiffStyle(), generateDiffBody()
[11:02:14] <werdna>	what are those methods of?
[11:02:28] <RoanKattouw>	!class DifferenceEngine | werd
[11:02:28] --mwbot--	werd: See http://svn.wikimedia.org/doc/classDifferenceEngine.html
[11:03:02] <Duesentrieb>	do we also have an analytical engine?
[11:03:16] <RoanKattouw>	Not until you write one
[11:04:03] <CIA-9>	03soxred93 * r51007 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ChangesList.php: Modification of r50714, adding element to the li class, rather than a separate div class.
[11:14:27] <werdna>	hi domas
[11:28:52] *werdna 	stabs intarwebs connections
[11:31:49] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Can you generate XML dumps of the MediaWiki namespaces of {ar,de,ja,sr}wiki for me? Need to use those to populate the MediaWiki namespaces of the usability project's prototype wikis
[11:35:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Firefox crashes when trying to play the video - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18926 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: MetaVidWiki; (ido.setter)
[11:36:54] <werdna>	I don't know how..
[11:36:55] <werdna>	hmm
[11:37:40] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Can't switch stream selection with FireFox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18927 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: MetaVidWiki; (ido.setter)
[11:37:55] <werdna>	ohai AaronSchulz 
[11:38:18] <AaronSchulz>	heyyy
[11:39:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Firefox crashes when trying to play the video - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18926  (10ido.setter)
[11:39:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't switch stream selection with FireFox - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18927  (10ido.setter)
[11:40:06] *werdna 	curses his dodgy internet connection
[11:40:12] <werdna>	it's taking forever just to update from svn
[11:40:17] <RoanKattouw>	:(
[11:40:27] <mark>	and you are so close to the svn server
[11:40:36] <RoanKattouw>	I can do one manually but it's much easier when you've got shell access
[11:41:36] <werdna>	mmm
[11:42:29] <RoanKattouw>	The shell command is php dumpBackup.php --current --filter=namespace:8 > filename
[11:43:10] <werdna>	sounds right, might want to check the code and such
[11:43:24] <werdna>	just to make sure I'm not doing something totally crazy :)
[11:43:27] <RoanKattouw>	heh
[11:43:33] <RoanKattouw>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:DumpBackup.php FWIW
[11:44:09] <RoanKattouw>	I have no idea how safe (performance-wise) it is to run dumpBackup.php against a live wiki, though
[11:44:16] <TimStarling>	ALTER TABLE /*$wgDBprefix*/code_rev CHANGE `cr_status` `cr_status` ENUM( 'new', 'fixme', 'reverted', 'resolved', 'ok', 'verified', 'deferred' )
[11:44:33] <CIA-9>	03siebrand * r51008 10/trunk/extensions/Translate/groups/Nocc.php: 
[11:44:33] <CIA-9>	* some message files were renamed, adapting.
[11:44:33] <CIA-9>	* add optional and ignored.
[11:44:34] <TimStarling>	if anyone uses an ENUM type ever again I'll shoot them
[11:44:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Pause button doesn't pause the video - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18928 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: MetaVidWiki; (ido.setter)
[11:45:25] <werdna>	because they're no better than varbinaries except that you need to make a schema change to add a new option?
[11:45:46] <TimStarling>	well yeah
[11:46:04] <TimStarling>	which should have been pretty obvious
[11:46:21] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Is it safe/advisable to run dumpBackup.php against a live wiki? If not, what's the best way to get an XML dump of dewiki's MediaWiki: namespace?
[11:46:33] <RoanKattouw>	(and {ar,ja,sr}wiki's)
[11:46:39] <TimStarling>	yes it's fine
[11:47:21] <RoanKattouw>	Great
[11:47:35] <werdna>	bah, no excuse now ;)
[11:47:37] <RoanKattouw>	hehe
[11:48:00] <RoanKattouw>	It's for WMF usage, if that's any comfort
[11:48:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Irrelevant strean sources are displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18927  summary (10ido.setter)
[11:48:38] <TimStarling>	are you on the payroll now?
[11:48:39] *Splarka 	wonders if the usability will get language variants, and if they will be subdomains, and if Abkhazian will get one
[11:49:30] <werdna>	DB connection error:  Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)
[11:49:33] <werdna>	huh?
[11:49:36] <RoanKattouw>	TimStarling: Sort of; I'm officially not an employee but a contractor
[11:49:44] <AaronSchulz>	\o/
[11:49:46] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: so like Aaron and I :)
[11:49:57] <werdna>	yay!
[11:50:01] <RoanKattouw>	:D
[11:50:11] <AaronSchulz>	werdna: wow, you didn't say "Aaron and me" :)
[11:50:23] <RoanKattouw>	Except that my employment is inherently temporary because the usability grant expires in April
[11:50:40] *werdna 	gives AaronSchulz a grammar nazi badge
[11:50:47] <TimStarling>	so you're replacing Arash?
[11:50:52] <RoanKattouw>	No, not really
[11:50:56] <RoanKattouw>	I was in the picture before Arash left
[11:51:10] <TimStarling>	right
[11:51:17] <RoanKattouw>	I'm working on getting the prototype wikis setup right now, but in the long term I'm gonna be like the backend extension of Trevor
[11:52:02] <werdna>	TimStarling: any thoughts on why dumpBackup.php is trying to connect through a local socket ?
[11:52:08] <RoanKattouw>	So I'll be developing the backend side of new usability features
[11:52:19] <werdna>	sounds fun
[11:52:26] <RoanKattouw>	Isn't that what MySQL always does when connecting to localhost?
[11:52:38] <werdna>	it shouldn't be connecting to localhost
[11:52:50] <werdna>	it should be connecting to what db.php tells them to connect to
[11:52:58] <TimStarling>	what are you running exactly?
[11:53:01] <saper>	Splarka: all the rest will be left to "the community"
[11:53:10] <werdna>	[andrew@zwinger maintenance]$ php dumpBackup.php --wiki dewiki --current --filter=namespace:8 > ~/dewiki-ns8.xml
[11:53:31] <TimStarling>	RoanKattouw: will you fix all my pet usability bugs, like #18923?
[11:53:42] <RoanKattouw>	Splarka: We're setting up prototype wikis for ar, de, en, ja and sr
[11:54:34] <RoanKattouw>	Probably not all of them; 18923 doesn't look like a likely candidate since we're gonna be focusing mostly on editing AFAIK
[11:54:42] <saper>	TimStarling: the project is not about petty things like yours :P
[11:54:47] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Thanks
[11:54:48] *Splarka 	wanted someone to say ab.usability.wikimedia.org ...
[11:54:57] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: it isn't working properly
[11:55:10] <werdna>	saper: well, fixing lots of small annoyances is pretty good
[11:55:12] <RoanKattouw>	Oh Tim asked you for the command, I see
[11:55:48] <saper>	werdna: big hoolaboo projects are rarely about that :)
[11:55:56] <chuck>	those usability bugs should have a usability tag
[11:56:01] <werdna>	  --server=h  Force reading from MySQL server h
[11:56:03] <werdna>	hmm
[11:56:11] <henna>	RoanKattouw: you're on the payroll?
[11:56:21] <RoanKattouw>	henna: As of today, yes
[11:56:22] *henna 	wonders wether a WMF office in .nl isn't starting to make sense :)
[11:56:26] <TimStarling>			$class = 'Database' . ucfirst($wgDBtype);
[11:56:26] <TimStarling>			$db = new $class( $this->backupServer(), $wgDBadminuser, $wgDBadminpassword, $wgDBname, false, $flags );
[11:56:40] <henna>	also, congrats :)
[11:56:49] <RoanKattouw>	henna: Unless that office is within biking distance of my home I'm not sure I'd ever show up there ;)
[11:56:51] <RoanKattouw>	Thanks
[11:57:02] <TimStarling>			global $wgDBserver;
[11:57:02] <TimStarling>			return $this->server
[11:57:02] <TimStarling>				? $this->server
[11:57:02] <TimStarling>				: $wgDBserver;
[11:57:18] <AaronSchulz>	werdna: man, I want the IQ of Kim Ung Yong
[11:57:20] <TheDevilOnLine>	ah well, there are more and more dutch dev's... RoanKattouw, setup an office at your place ;-)
[11:57:51] <RoanKattouw>	TheDevilOnLine: You're only saying that because you don't know where I live :P I'm in the upper northwest of Friesland
[11:57:52] <AaronSchulz>	I wonder how that chap is doing
[11:57:53] <TimStarling>	this code hasn't been updated since I introduced LBFactory, $wgDBserver is not set anymore
[11:57:57] <Splarka>	Roan: if it is going to be in the "netherlands", maybe you and WMF.NL should go "dutch" on the rent
[11:58:07] <TimStarling>	it's using localhost because that's what it's set to in DefaultSettings.php
[11:58:18] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849  summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[11:58:19] <TheDevilOnLine>	RoanKattouw: my girlfriend lives in Drachten and I ahve to work in Coevorden and Assen a lot...
[11:58:23] *Splarka 	can't work "Holland" into the pun
[11:58:34] <RoanKattouw>	Ah
[11:58:36] <AaronSchulz>	ugh, qoutes look ugly at this dpi
[11:58:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849   +patch (10jidanni)
[11:58:44] <AaronSchulz>	" is over the H
[11:58:47] <RoanKattouw>	Most of the WMNL folks are further down South though
[11:58:56] <TheDevilOnLine>	yeh, I know
[11:59:03] <TheDevilOnLine>	I live in Breda myself, but I'm a traveler
[11:59:08] <werdna>	TimStarling: hmm, is that the commandLine.inc code?
[11:59:14] <TimStarling>	no, backup.inc
[11:59:14] <henna>	nja, mark is way further South and thingie is in the middle
[11:59:28] <henna>	for thingie=Eric Zachte
[11:59:31] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[11:59:33] <werdna>	ah, there's different code
[11:59:51] <werdna>	TimStarling: want me to fix it up?
[11:59:59] <RoanKattouw>	Anyway, setting up an office for just Mark and me is gonna be difficult geographically
[12:00:12] <TheDevilOnLine>	hehe, true
[12:00:21] <TheDevilOnLine>	but if you ever need a hand for something, let me know
[12:00:36] <AaronSchulz>	so when is brion back for code review?
[12:01:06] <RoanKattouw>	Well his wedding was last Thursday...
[12:01:28] <werdna>	AaronSchulz: brion will get back today, but I'm not sure he's gonna jump straight into code review
[12:01:35] <Shinjiman>	..... for 18849, is that a good idea to put the ISO date format to the top, or keep that on the bottom??
[12:01:44] <Shinjiman>	bug 18449..
[12:01:49] <werdna>	he's also not back permanently, I think he's heading somewhere
[12:01:56] <TimStarling>	werdna: yes, you should use newMainLB(), like in BagOStuff.php
[12:02:04] <AaronSchulz>	I feel bad adding any new revs to revie
[12:02:06] <AaronSchulz>	*review
[12:02:38] <RoanKattouw>	It's like a few thousand revs already anyway
[12:02:43] <werdna>	AaronSchulz: don't stop doing your job because brion doesn't have time to do his. Also, I think Tim's doing a lot of the review.
[12:02:56] <Shinjiman>	it's jidanni's bug again... >_<
[12:03:21] <AaronSchulz>	werdna: were are the reverts then? :)
[12:03:34] <RoanKattouw>	Tim's reverted some stuff here and there lately
[12:03:34] <werdna>	I think he's mostly been leaving comments, ask him :)
[12:03:37] <TimStarling>	I reviewed the aggregate diff from FlaggedRevs, wasn't too hard
[12:03:51] <TimStarling>	a few more of them and I'll be mostly there
[12:03:57] <AaronSchulz>	"please write code that works, thanks" :)
[12:03:58] <werdna>	TimStarling: It seems to include commandLine.inc, why not just use wfGetDB( DB_SLAVE )?
[12:04:27] <TimStarling>	werdna: yeah, I guess
[12:04:49] <TimStarling>	but you should support --server somehow
[12:05:06] <werdna>	hmm, yeah
[12:05:38] <TimStarling>	if you just want to do Roan's request and be done with it, you should do a live patch to use wfGetDB() and file a bug about --server
[12:05:41] <werdna>	also, I need to keep this in place somehow $db->setTimeout( 3600 * 24 );
[12:05:46] <TimStarling>	assign it to brion, it's his code
[12:05:54] <werdna>	yeah, fair enough
[12:06:33] <chuck>	This is why MediaWiki should switch to git ;-) Brion could pull in the latest changes, have the history of the repo to review while on the plane, then push his changes back when he got back into the interwebs
[12:07:05] <TimStarling>	I've got a mirror of the subversion repository on my laptop
[12:07:34] <TimStarling>	but I don't make changes, I'm reviewing not developing
[12:07:50] <TimStarling>	maybe we should switch CodeReview to use a git backend
[12:07:55] <AaronSchulz>	TimStarling: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18818
[12:08:00] <AaronSchulz>	can you do that quickie?
[12:08:21] <TimStarling>	isn't there a few more of these?
[12:08:37] <AaronSchulz>	new components?
[12:09:04] <TimStarling>	yeah, someone requested one on the mailing list, may as well do them in a batch
[12:09:17] <chuck>	TimStarling: But still, seeing the history would let you view, revert, and fix changes, where you wouldn't be able to do that with a Subversion repository
[12:09:20] <TimStarling>	in theory they're meant to be human-readable
[12:09:25] <TimStarling>	how about "revision deletion"
[12:09:38] <werdna>	incidentally, can I have bugzilla admin rights
[12:09:52] *Splarka 	pimps his bugzilla bug too: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17895
[12:09:59] <wikibugs>	06(LATER) Allow different levels of hiding with wpHideUser - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18724  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[12:10:17] <AaronSchulz>	not aware of the others
[12:11:37] <TimStarling>	you want to be default assignee?
[12:11:52] <AaronSchulz>	yeah
[12:12:41] <TimStarling>	so "revision deletion" is ok? if so it's done
[12:13:43] <AaronSchulz>	yes
[12:13:50] *AaronSchulz 	wonders why clicking 'My Bugs' does nothing in FF
[12:15:28] <Emachman>	TimStarling: Can you set me as a cc for a component?
[12:15:50] <TimStarling>	yes
[12:16:07] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: No intention to be annoying, but how's my dump request coming? ;)
[12:16:16] <Emachman>	Component: API, Email soxred93@gmail.com
[12:16:44] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: getting there
[12:16:59] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm I guess the API is more popular than I thought; it's already got a default assignee (me) and two default CCs (Vasiliev, Bryan)
[12:19:25] <TimStarling>	done
[12:19:51] <TimStarling>	and added an "other" extension as requested on wikitech-l
[12:20:19] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) add "RevisionDeletion" component to cover RevDeleted, HideUser, etc - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18818  (10tstarling)
[12:20:45] <wikibugs>	03(mod) require commandLine.inc properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18855  summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[12:20:48] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Code quality issues (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700  (10jidanni)
[12:21:02] <TimStarling>	there's a few more in the "bugzilla" component
[12:21:50] <TimStarling>	brion's commented on them already though
[12:22:28] <vvv>	TimStarling: why do we have "File/Repo", "Images and Files" and "Uploading" components at the same time?
[12:22:46] <TimStarling>	maybe whoever added the second two didn't see the first one
[12:29:30] <CIA-9>	03aaron * r51009 10/trunk/phase3/includes/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (bug 18772) Removed redundant 'deletedrev' message instances
[12:29:39] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) RevDeleted layout misleading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18772  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[12:30:22] <TimStarling>	> print intval(111111111111111111111)
[12:30:22] <TimStarling>	2147483647
[12:30:31] *TimStarling 	<3 PHP
[12:31:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) updateSearchIndex.php assumes it is the writing for the only wiki using the disk - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11654  (10jidanni)
[12:31:58] <CIA-9>	03thedevilonline * r51010 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.class.php: Fixed bug with non-existing array
[12:32:06] <TimStarling>	ah, but it's different on 64-bit
[12:32:13] <TimStarling>	[1231][tstarling@srv188:/home/wikipedia/common/php-1.5/maintenance]$ php eval.php
[12:32:16] <TimStarling>	> print intval('111111111111111111111')
[12:32:17] <TimStarling>	9223372036854775807
[12:32:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Audio and video are not in synch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18929 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: MetaVidWiki; (ido.setter)
[12:32:48] *AaronSchulz 	hugs his 64-bit laptop
[12:33:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Audio and video are not in synch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18929  (10ido.setter)
[12:37:38] <werdna>	TimStarling: I should keep a lazy-initialised ReplacementArray for my confusable-character normalisation?
[12:37:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Specific log for revision deletions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17806  (10happy-melon)
[12:38:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Log entries for deleting log entries are opaque - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18335  (10happy-melon)
[12:38:10] <TimStarling>	depends on how lazy
[12:38:28] <werdna>	refuses to get out of bed until midday>?
[12:38:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevDeleted links not available at times when they should be or may be urgently needed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18455  (10happy-melon)
[12:38:50] *AaronSchulz 	was up all night
[12:38:56] <TimStarling>	you shouldn't read the confusable list or create the ReplacementArray object until you need it
[12:39:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Suppression log filtered by "offender", as Oversight log can be. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18472  (10happy-melon)
[12:39:22] <TimStarling>	but you can cache it after that
[12:39:23] <werdna>	right, of course :)
[12:39:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Superfluous revision deletion links present in log entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18745  (10happy-melon)
[12:39:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The (hide) button on revision deletion is confusing, displayed when revision is already hidden - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18746  (10happy-melon)
[12:40:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) deletion log shown on page re-creation is filled with useless individual revision supression entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18747  (10happy-melon)
[12:40:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevDeleted to link to the actual revision(s) involved for all users - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18753  (10happy-melon)
[12:40:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevDeleted layout misleading - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18772  (10happy-melon)
[12:41:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Misleading text/layout in RevisionDelete - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18839  (10happy-melon)
[12:41:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Comments hidden with RevDeleted silently suppressed, not marked "(Comment removed)" (patch) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18842  (10happy-melon)
[12:41:52] <CIA-9>	03thedevilonline * r51011 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.class.php: Fixed bug caused by typo
[12:41:57] <TimStarling>	I don't know why everyone has to add a $wg*StyleVersion for every extension
[12:42:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionDelete should have a MediaWiki -dropdown page, and dropdown menu for common revision deletion reasons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18862  (10happy-melon)
[12:42:51] <TimStarling>	it doesn't really make sense unless you need simultaneous changes of the HTML and CSS
[12:43:13] <TimStarling>	it's just a file, so presumably you can update the CSS with shift-refresh
[12:43:40] <TimStarling>	by putting the version number in there, the idea is to delay the CSS update until the HTML is also updated
[12:44:07] <TimStarling>	I mean, if every time you changed a file, you needed to increment a query parameter, that would suck, right?
[12:44:51] <TimStarling>	it's all about precedent, I guess
[12:44:55] <p858snake>	because people just copy everyone elses code
[12:45:19] <TimStarling>	right, doesn't matter if you understand it, just copy and paste and it'll work
[12:46:06] <werdna>	well, the idea is that it bypasses caches without needing any user interaction
[12:46:41] <TimStarling>	it would be nice if it did that
[12:47:11] <werdna>	hmm?
[12:47:35] <TimStarling>	but it doesn't, as I just said, it holds back the change until the HTML changes
[12:47:43] <TimStarling>	assuming your cache is configured aggressively
[12:47:52] <TimStarling>	which of course for the vast majority of installations, it isn't
[12:48:11] <werdna>	most importantl, it isn't for the vast majority of test installations
[12:48:12] <TimStarling>	for the vast majority, pressing "refresh" is sufficient
[12:48:29] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Option to suppress attribute links in result tables of #ask - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17376  (10dan.bolser)
[12:48:38] <werdna>	in either case, I think appending filemtime($file) might be a better solution
[12:49:00] <TimStarling>	the only way to update a file immediately is to purge it from the squids
[12:49:07] <TimStarling>	which can easily be done in sync-file
[12:49:56] <werdna>	bah, my connections to zwinger keep getting dropped
[12:50:16] <TimStarling>	$wg*StyleVersion is, in most cases, a half-assed solution for the problem of cache updates
[12:50:19] <werdna>	I guess that's what happens when you run it through a tethered 3G connection
[12:50:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) better $wgReadOnlyFile lock file naming - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12433  summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[12:50:42] <werdna>	Unable to free MySQL result
[12:50:42] <werdna>	Backtrace:
[12:50:42] <werdna>	#0 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/db/Database.php(2795): Database->freeResult(Resource id #123)
[12:50:47] *werdna 	grumbles
[12:50:55] <werdna>	#1 /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/Export.php(328): ResultWrapper->free()
[12:51:16] <TimStarling>	just remove any calls to freeResult, they're all pointless
[12:51:21] <TimStarling>	use unset() if you must
[12:52:25] <werdna>	It looks like it happens right at the end
[12:56:30] <OverlordQ>	grrr, which I could figure out why thumbnailing randomly dies :(
[12:56:32] <TimStarling>	why is CodeReview path search so useless?
[12:57:10] <werdna>	whee
[12:57:20] <werdna>	should have fixed most of the stuff you mentioned about abusefilter, tim
[12:59:40] <TimStarling>	thanks
[13:03:37] <CIA-9>	03thedevilonline * r51012 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.class.php: If I have another typo that's causing error's I'll give everyone a cookie
[13:03:58] <werdna>	TheDevilOnLine: it is ironic that there was a typo in that commit message.
[13:04:25] <TheDevilOnLine>	that was on purpose werdna 
[13:04:59] *p858snake 	finds another one, cookie please
[13:04:59] <TimStarling>	ah yes, spot the deliberate mistake
[13:05:06] <TimStarling>	we all like that game
[13:05:24] <p858snake>	OverlordQ: checked your image renders log?
[13:05:50] <OverlordQ>	p858snake: there's a log? all I know is I get lingering convert processes :-/
[13:06:20] <p858snake>	depends what rendering system your server has installed and what its log settings are set to
[13:06:46] <CIA-9>	03siebrand * r51013 10/trunk/phase3/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Follow-up on r51009. Remove unused 'deletedrev'
[13:08:18] <OverlordQ>	it's using imagemagick
[13:08:29] <CIA-9>	03werdna * r51014 10/trunk/extensions/AbuseFilter/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
[13:08:29] <CIA-9>	Various code quality fixes for AbuseFilter suggested by Tim Starling in a
[13:08:29] <CIA-9>	private email, including bugfixes, memory safeguards, performance improvements,
[13:08:29] <CIA-9>	removal of redundant code, consolidation of similar functionaality.
[13:09:10] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, $wgStyleVersion is used because clients cache CSS, not Squids.  main.css: Expires	Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:08:44 GMT
[13:09:28] <Simetrical>	Normal people don't hit refresh all the time, so they get confused if there are breaking CSS changes.
[13:09:40] <OverlordQ>	wasn't not aware you could make it log
[13:09:53] <Simetrical>	One of my first commits broke edit section link display completely because I moved the inline CSS to a stylesheet.
[13:10:08] <Simetrical>	So Brion added $wgStyleVersion for cases like that.
[13:10:25] <Simetrical>	. . . but everyone semi-pointlessly increments it for every CSS change, whether it will degrade gracefully or not.
[13:10:32] <TimStarling>	right, for *breaking* CSS changes
[13:10:42] <p858snake>	OverlordQ: gd/imagemakic are completely seperate systems, all mw does is pass a command and filename to them
[13:10:52] <TimStarling>	I was ranting about extensions that have never had such a CSS change
[13:11:04] <TimStarling>	the only way CSS can break is if the HTML changes simultaneously
[13:11:11] <Simetrical>	Yes, right.
[13:11:14] <TimStarling>	that was my point
[13:11:26] <Simetrical>	So I guess if in the future they ever have such a change, they can add their own style variable then.
[13:11:33] <Simetrical>	But until then it does seem pretty pointless.
[13:11:34] <TimStarling>	sure
[13:11:48] <werdna>	vvv: poke, when you implemented arrays and such in abusefilter, did you add test cases?
[13:11:54] <OverlordQ>	p858snake: yes, so what logging are you talking about then?
[13:12:27] <p858snake>	OverlordQ: most of them (gd/imagemacik) can be configured with differnt levels of logging
[13:13:32] <TimStarling>	I was looking at r49234 and r49235 at the time, if you're interested
[13:13:45] <TimStarling>	but there are plenty of cases
[13:14:19] <p858snake>	write documentation about what and how they should be used then and pass it around
[13:14:24] <vvv>	werdna: yep
[13:14:28] <werdna>	vvv: cool :)
[13:14:51] <OverlordQ>	p858snake: well it did throw a "convert: Memory allocation failed `Cannot allocate memory' @ cache.c/AcquirePixelCacheNexus/294."  But I have maxShellMemory set to 204800 and maxShellFileSize set to 819200
[13:15:15] <vvv>	werdna: actually, I even added some real filters from Wikipedia
[13:15:28] <OverlordQ>	it's only a 95k jpeg though
[13:15:32] <p858snake>	yeah... beyond knowing that you can setup logs, i have nothing
[13:15:33] <CIA-9>	03thedevilonline * r51015 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/ (LocalisationUpdate.class.php schema.sql): 
[13:15:33] <CIA-9>	- update SQL
[13:15:33] <CIA-9>	- fixed multi-language support for extensions
[13:16:21] <p858snake>	anyways
[13:16:56] <Simetrical>	Are those variables in bytes or KB?
[13:18:55] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) initStats does not refresh active_users count (with patch) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18930 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Maintenance scripts; (ppiotr)
[13:19:06] <TimStarling>	KB
[13:19:50] <OverlordQ>	oh, they are in kb lol :/
[13:21:14] <TimStarling>	is it a big destination size?
[13:23:08] <OverlordQ>	no, souce pic isn't large, and it's trying to create a ~79x119 thumb
[13:24:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Multiple search terms are not enforced properly for Chinese - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8445  (10jidanni)
[13:24:18] <TimStarling>	you probably need to increase $wgMaxShellMemory
[13:25:00] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: I gotta go now; lemme know if/when you've completed these dumps
[13:25:11] <TimStarling>	it includes virtual memory, such as mmap'd shared libraries, so it's a bit clumsy
[13:25:12] <CIA-9>	03shinjiman * r51016 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[13:25:23] <TimStarling>	if you have debug symbols in your libraries, that would probably run it out of space pretty fast
[13:26:19] <TimStarling>	for some reason linux has a dozen different ways to limit process resource usage, but they didn't include physical memory on the list
[13:26:41] <OverlordQ>	Hurm, lemme grep installed packages see if any are w/ debug
[13:27:44] <OverlordQ>	Nope, just php
[13:27:52] <TimStarling>	just increase it
[13:28:49] <Simetrical>	TimStarling, Solaris lets you set max RSS for a whole user.  So if they use more than that, some of their pages get swapped out before they can allocate more.
[13:28:51] <Simetrical>	It's pretty cool.
[13:29:02] <OverlordQ>	I'd love to figure out how exactly WMF does the dedicated image scalers eventaully :)
[13:29:06] *Simetrical 	is being taught the Dark Ways of non-free Unix by flyingparchment 
[13:29:26] <TimStarling>	yay solaris
[13:29:41] <TimStarling>	OverlordQ: with a very very small concurrency limit, that's how
[13:29:56] <TimStarling>	so that they don't go into swap
[13:31:17] <OverlordQ>	Well it has thumbnail on parse off, and then the scalers have thumb.php to generate on request?
[13:33:43] <CIA-9>	03thedevilonline * r51017 10/trunk/extensions/LocalisationUpdate/LocalisationUpdate.class.php: - Now extensions should also update correctly
[13:34:27] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) SRF Exhibit: URLs need to be encoded in facets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18931 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: SemanticResultFormats; (laurent)
[13:36:48] <CIA-9>	03werdna * r51018 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Break out LqtBaseView.php into classes/LqtDispatch.php and classes/LqtView.php to reflect the two classes defined in that file
[13:38:07] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849  (10niklas.laxstrom)
[13:40:27] <CIA-9>	03shinjiman * r51019 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesZh_cn.php MessagesZh_hk.php MessagesZh_sg.php): Cleanup: removing obsolete/outdated messages for zh-tw/zh-hk which are same as zh-hant and zh-cn/zh-sg which are same as zh-hans respectively.
[13:44:49] <TimStarling>	OverlordQ: yes, via a 404 handler
[13:45:25] <TimStarling>	http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/tools/upload-scripts/
[13:46:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rebuildrecentchanges needs to act the same as plain recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18364  summary; +comment (10jidanni)
[13:47:01] *werdna 	curses LiquidThreads
[13:47:11] <werdna>	apparently, talk pages are the only places where one would conceivably want discussion
[13:49:36] <Nikerabbit>	evening
[13:50:22] <TheDevilOnLine>	hey Nikerabbit 
[13:51:08] <Emachman>	TimStarling: Did you get around to putting me in the default CC for API?
[13:51:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18932 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Internationalization; (shinjiman)
[13:51:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849  (10shinjiman)
[13:51:59] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849  +comment (10jidanni)
[13:52:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18932  (10jidanni)
[13:52:38] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Implement Japanese and North Korean calendars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849  summary; +comment (10shinjiman)
[13:53:13] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement Japanese and North Korean calendars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849  (10shinjiman)
[13:54:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18932  (10shinjiman)
[13:54:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement Japanese and North Korean calendars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849  -patch  (10shinjiman)
[13:57:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Don't intermingle local and international time notations - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18932  (10jidanni)
[13:57:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Implement Japanese and North Korean calendars - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18849  (10jidanni)
[14:00:22] <werdna>	I am baffled by design choices in LiquidThreads
[14:00:41] <werdna>	instead of storing the page on which the thread is, David is storing the SUBJECT page for that page.
[14:01:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow changing preferences via API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18195  (10soxred93)
[14:01:45] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r51020 10/trunk/extensions/ReplaceText/ (4 files): Version 0.6.2: 'replacetext_note' message removed
[14:03:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Audio and video are not in synch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18929  (10ido.setter)
[14:03:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Pause button doesn't pause the video - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18928  (10ido.setter)
[14:03:44] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Irrelevant stream sources are displayed - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18927  summary (10ido.setter)
[14:15:13] <Marco27>	Hi, all... I've a big problem: On my wiki, I am the only user that have sysop rights... Now, when I try to login, output is: Error The username specified is invalid. What I can do?
[14:16:47] <Simetrical>	What's the username?
[14:17:35] <Marco27>	Simetrical: Not in WMF project, in my personal wiki...
[14:17:43] <Simetrical>	I realize that.
[14:17:46] <Simetrical>	I'm still asking what the username is.
[14:17:56] <CIA-9>	03werdna * r51021 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 
[14:17:56] <CIA-9>	* Fix bizarre design choice in which the name of the SUBJECT page was stored in the thread table.
[14:17:56] <CIA-9>	* Allow talkpage Lqt to be turned on and off for testing.
[14:17:56] <CIA-9>	* Allow Lqt to be turned on for particular pages.
[14:17:56] <CIA-9>	* Fix inconsistency between storage and interpretation of topmost threads.
[14:17:56] <Marco27>	Simetrical: Is Marco Pern...
[14:18:06] <Simetrical>	Are you absolutely sure you're entering it correctly?
[14:18:23] <Simetrical>	Do you have a link to the wiki?
[14:18:26] <werdna>	I think that fixed a longstanding bug
[14:18:56] <Marco27>	Simetrical: Yes, because user information was saved in my browser...
[14:19:09] <Simetrical>	Hmm.
[14:19:10] <Simetrical>	Do you have a link to the wiki?
[14:19:17] <Marco27>	query
[14:19:45] <Simetrical>	What?
[14:19:48] <Simetrical>	Oh.
[14:21:15] <Simetrical>	Marco27, there may be a problem with one of your extensions.  That's all I can think of.
[14:21:23] <Simetrical>	Try disabling extensions and see if it still happens.
[14:21:28] <Simetrical>	I'm not sure what else might be the issue.
[14:21:55] <RoanKattouw>	Marco27 had a very similar problem with an extension yesterday
[14:22:13] <Marco27>	RoanKattouw: I try to disable all the extension...
[14:27:37] <Marco27>	Thanks Simetrical, RoanKattouw! Was "NewUserMessage" extension... Thank you very much :) !
[14:27:58] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Fatal error in LqtBaseView.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18037  +comment (10agarrett)
[14:28:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) log message for threads being moved from page to page is totally wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18933 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: LiquidThreads; (agarrett)
[14:29:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) log message for threads being moved from page to page is totally wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18933  (10agarrett)
[14:36:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Alternative sitenotice accessibility for users with limited JavaScript support - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18832  (10jidanni)
[14:45:25] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Sorry I keep bothering you, but what's your progress on the dump thing? Last thing I heard dumpBackup.php and LBFactory don't work together too well
[14:49:28] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) new user created by OpenID does not appear in user creation log - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18934 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: OpenID; (fredd-e)
[14:50:50] <Marco27>	bye!
[14:57:06] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: accidentally overwrote the de backup, but I redid it
[14:57:08] <werdna>	de and ar done
[14:57:19] <werdna>	waiting for sr and.. what was the other one ja
[14:57:20] <werdna>	?
[14:57:23] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[14:57:29] <RoanKattouw>	Very nice, thanks
[14:57:47] <RoanKattouw>	How large are they?
[14:58:27] <werdna>	-rw-r--r--  1 andrew wikidev 1634 May 26 13:11 arwiki-ns8.xml
[14:58:27] <werdna>	-rw-r--r--  1 andrew wikidev 1478 May 26 13:27 dewiki-ns8.xml
[14:58:30] <werdna>	hmm, that's not right
[14:58:45] <RoanKattouw>	dewiki has 500+ pages in ns8
[15:00:18] <werdna>	yeah, looks like that free() bug was breaking it
[15:00:26] <werdna>	gonna try with a smaller wiki first, sr
[15:00:44] <werdna>	RobH: I think "stupid rob" is more appropriate than "stupid knife"
[15:00:54] <RobH>	huh?
[15:01:04] <werdna>	facebook status :P
[15:01:08] <RobH>	ahh
[15:01:13] <RobH>	that was a week ago ;p
[15:01:29] <rainman-sr>	rob, i'll be available in an about an hour
[15:01:45] <RobH>	rainman-sr: cool, I have to fix two servers before those, so that should work fine
[15:01:58] <RobH>	if you are available any earlier let me know
[15:03:26] <rainman-sr>	oki
[15:05:21] <CIA-9>	03siebrand * r51022 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php: Minor consistency updates for 'right-reupload', 'right-reupload-own', 'right-upload_by_url' and 'action-upload_by_url'
[15:09:53] <CIA-9>	03alexsh * r51023 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesZh_tw.php: fix bug 17736
[15:12:09] <CIA-9>	03siebrand * r51024 10/trunk/extensions/Farmer/ (Farmer.i18n.php Farmer.php SpecialFarmer.php): Re-use MediaWiki core messages for rights.
[15:14:30] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) tooltip mismatch in diff, zh-tw - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17736  +comment (10alexsh)
[15:16:10] <Betacommand>	werdna: can the abuse filter check email this user data?
[15:18:48] <werdna>	in theory yes, but there are huge privacy issues involved
[15:19:47] <Betacommand>	werdna: we are getting a lot of accounts that are spamming the same message to as many admins/Prominent users as they can
[15:20:19] <CIA-9>	03tstarling * r51025 10/trunk/phase3/includes/Credits.php: Fix for r50955, don't use the skin of the target user when linking to them.
[15:20:19] <vvv>	Betacommand: so do we on ruwiki :(
[15:21:02] <Betacommand>	vvv: Thats why I was wondering if the abuse filter could be adapted to address this issue
[15:21:20] <werdna>	Betacommand: yes, I'm aware of that
[15:21:57] <werdna>	historicaly, though, the emails sent through that feature have been considered somewhat "sacred"
[15:22:20] <Betacommand>	werdna: you shouldnt log the contents
[15:22:21] <werdna>	the logging requirements for the abuse filter preclude those emails being filtered by it.
[15:22:42] <werdna>	that goes against another principle of the abuse filter -- if it triggers an abuse filter, it should be logged in full
[15:22:49] <Betacommand>	werdna cant you exclude the exact text?
[15:23:01] <werdna>	no, because then filters targetting emails could not be debugged
[15:23:02] <vvv>	I think we should grant CU ability: 1) read emails; 2) read email addresses; 3) add regex filter of email addresses for CU
[15:23:15] <Nikerabbit>	meow
[15:23:35] <roberthl>	the idea of the e-mail system is exactly so that it is private
[15:23:39] <Betacommand>	werdna: what about logging emails based on addresses of known spammers
[15:23:40] <vvv>	werdna: what about marking email data as 'private' (like IPs now?)
[15:24:17] <vvv>	roberthl: since it runs through Wikimedia, we are responsible for protecting our users from abuse via it
[15:24:23] <werdna>	well there isn't a "marker" for that -- they're two different types of data.
[15:24:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) in IE7 Java - all controls are non-responsive - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18935 major; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: MetaVidWiki; (eran.kuziel)
[15:24:39] <roberthl>	vvv: that doesn't need to involve reading the e-mails however
[15:24:51] <vvv>	roberthl: email threats?
[15:25:22] <roberthl>	yes, that is a plausible reason
[15:25:29] <roberthl>	you are right
[15:26:01] <vvv>	we can't be sure someone abused email system unless we read email containing abuse
[15:26:01] <werdna>	I disagree
[15:26:24] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Any luck with those dumps (sorry...)?
[15:27:05] <werdna>	it's cool, roan :)
[15:27:17] <werdna>	I need occasional reminders to check on background stuff :))
[15:28:05] <RoanKattouw>	Have you succeeded in generating >4KB dumps yet? :P
[15:28:47] <werdna>	2009-05-26 15:16:48: srwiki 28 pages (0.140/sec), 28 revs (0.140/sec), ETA 2009-06-21 04:30:54 [max 309210]
[15:28:51] <werdna>	it said it worked
[15:29:09] <werdna>	but the dump is still just the metadata
[15:29:34] <RoanKattouw>	WTF, due to finish in a month?
[15:31:41] <RoanKattouw>	Are you sure? Isn't it just a lot of empty pages?
[15:32:37] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Unless you get a sudden jolt of inspiration, I suggest you give up; I'll do it through the web interface insteaed
[15:33:18] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: it finished :)
[15:33:26] <CIA-9>	03werdna * r51026 10/trunk/extensions/LiquidThreads/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[15:33:26] <CIA-9>	Fix some more LiquidThreads annoyances:
[15:33:26] <CIA-9>	* Bug where deleted threads would appear in the TOC. This was related to bad architecture -- the threads were being filtered out at the display end, rather than at the database end.
[15:33:26] <CIA-9>	* Proper use of isAllowed() for checking rights.
[15:33:28] <CIA-9>	* Special:DeleteThread was an unlisted special page for no apparent reason.
[15:33:30] <CIA-9>	* PHP notices were spewed on Special:MoveThread
[15:33:32] <CIA-9>	* Add a delete link to the main thread view.
[15:35:10] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: OK, but do you think you can squeeze a useful dump out of this like today? If not, I'll just use the web interface
[15:37:04] <werdna>	i'll see what I can do
[15:49:25] <CIA-9>	03shinjiman * r51027 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): 
[15:49:25] <CIA-9>	Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[15:49:25] <CIA-9>	(bug 18847) Adding {{GENDER:}} support
[15:50:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) "Any Date" radio button on LiquidThreads archive pages invisible in Opera 9.5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15137  summary; +comment (10agarrett)
[15:51:14] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Implement gendered Chinese pronouns, for that personal touch - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18847  +comment (10shinjiman)
[15:51:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Call to a member function ... on a non-object at different places - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17553  (10agarrett)
[15:54:17] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) log message for threads being moved from page to page is totally wrong - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18933  +comment (10agarrett)
[15:54:19] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Confusing log entries when moving threads - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17519  +comment (10agarrett)
[15:54:53] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Colour-dependent positioning errors in SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18936 normal; Normal; MediaWiki: Images and files; (t_edwards)
[16:02:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colour-dependent positioning errors in SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18936  +comment (10Simetrical+wikibugs)
[16:09:11] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Only ask gender by default if it will be in fact used for the current language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18841  +comment (10jidanni)
[16:19:20] <TimStarling>	I really need a feature in CodeReview which allows me to keep private statuses for revisions
[16:20:01] <TimStarling>	so you'd just have a user preference or something that would cause the revision pager to use the private status instead of the public one, in the column and the row class
[16:20:32] <werdna>	I can't tell if you're being serious or not
[16:20:38] <TimStarling>	perfectly serious
[16:21:04] <TimStarling>	it just annoys everyone and wastes time when I have to revert 100 status changes that other people have made in good faith
[16:21:39] <Fumoh>	I have an easy editing question:  When I make a table, for some reason the text that's beneath the table code will wrap around the table when I preview it.  I can't get the text to appear underneath the table without a bunch of <br> tags.  Am I doing my table wrong or something?  Thanks.
[16:21:43] <TimStarling>	the issue isn't trust, it's just that I want to review everything, because I think that's a useful way for me to spend my time
[16:22:14] <Nikerabbit>	like... all the extensions too?
[16:23:08] <TimStarling>	depends on how much time I have
[16:23:25] <TimStarling>	if I run out of time, I might rely on the statuses other people have set
[16:23:36] <werdna>	TimStarling: there's a really easy way to do that
[16:23:43] <TimStarling>	but I do want to review new extensions that are aimed at Wikimedia
[16:23:53] <TimStarling>	even if they're not enabled yet
[16:24:03] <werdna>	TimStarling: set it up locally.
[16:24:31] <TimStarling>	well, the obvious issue with that is that I'd have to make a copy of mediawiki.org's user table so that I get everyone's email address
[16:24:39] <TimStarling>	and also, the comments wouldn't be public
[16:24:48] <TimStarling>	comments are the main reason I want to use CodeReview
[16:25:05] <werdna>	well, it'd be clumsy, but you could do the status changes on your local copy and comments on mediawiki.org
[16:26:12] <TimStarling>	or I could do what I'm doing
[16:26:26] <TimStarling>	and periodically check the status log and revert everyone
[16:27:08] <TimStarling>	hi brion
[16:27:30] <TimStarling>	working hard I see, how's the honeymoon going?
[16:27:39] <brion>	great :D
[16:27:54] <brion>	just got back from the weekend trip; i'm back in the office through thursday
[16:28:00] <brion>	then off again to chicago
[16:28:08] <brion>	how's things
[16:28:13] <TimStarling>	fine
[16:28:16] <brion>	i've got about a million spams to go through ;)
[16:28:35] <TimStarling>	you didn't see anything in the news about a developer shooting people did you?
[16:28:49] <werdna>	what are you doing in chicago?
[16:28:59] <brion>	?
[16:29:04] <brion>	visiting my shiny new in-laws
[16:29:16] <TimStarling>	was that question mark aimed at me?
[16:29:20] <brion>	yes :)
[16:29:41] <werdna>	have you been polishing marti's parents?
[16:29:44] <Reedy>	Internet sarcasm is being undetectable again?
[16:29:49] <TimStarling>	you were meant to say "no", and I was then going to say "so everything is fine then isn't it?"
[16:30:02] <TimStarling>	referring to a joke I had earlier made about going crazy when doing CodeReview
[16:30:26] <brion>	heh
[16:30:35] <werdna>	poor TimStarling, stuck on code review AND brion ruins his jokes :)
[16:32:13] <TimStarling>	speaking of weddings, we sent off the application for Angela's subclass 820 spouse visa today
[16:32:34] <werdna>	ah, visas
[16:33:13] <TimStarling>	visas suck, nobody told me the dangers of talking to nice girls on the internet, when I was growing up
[16:33:34] <werdna>	brion: incidentally, thinking of using the party for wikimedia de's 5th birthday as an excuse for a few days in berlin in june :)
[16:33:35] <TimStarling>	"talk to those girls on IRC, and next thing you know you'll be up to your neck in visa forms"
[16:33:40] <werdna>	heh
[16:33:43] <TimStarling>	that's what they should have said
[16:34:38] <brion>	heh
[16:34:56] <brion>	werdna: fun :D
[16:35:03] <brion>	reminds me, when's linuxtag?
[16:35:29] <brion>	getting married at city hall was an amusing bureaucratic treat
[16:35:44] <brion>	we made appointments ahead of time online -- separate appointments for the license and the ceremony
[16:35:52] <brion>	they then make you wait in line like 5 separate times
[16:36:14] <brion>	but it's a lovely building, and the commissioner who did the ceremony was great
[16:36:39] <brion>	bah... emachman PM'd me and then dropped offline a minute later
[16:36:45] <brion>	how'm i supposed to reply to that :)
[16:36:54] <TimStarling>	how many people did you have there with you?
[16:37:06] <TimStarling>	(you've told me this before I know)
[16:37:36] <werdna>	two, I think
[16:37:52] <werdna>	brion: I pm'd you on your iphone, want me to resend?
[16:38:33] <brion>	i went offline there
[16:38:45] <werdna>	yeah
[16:38:47] <werdna>	will resend
[16:38:48] <werdna>	:)
[16:39:01] <brion>	TimStarling: at the ceremony? just us & rob to take pictures
[16:39:19] <TimStarling>	uh huh
[16:39:21] <brion>	we'll post more after rob's had time to retouch them
[16:39:32] <brion>	free photography == win ;)
[16:40:17] <werdna>	whee
[16:40:45] <prefrontal>	$obj->mTitle->userCanEdit() is now failing, any recent changes?
[16:41:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Default MediaWiki:Confirmrecreate produces incorrect output when the delete reason was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18937 minor; Normal; MediaWiki: User interface; (mikelifeguard)
[16:41:25] <Nikerabbit>	prefrontal: yes, it has been deprecated for few years
[16:41:58] <prefrontal>	okay, this line is in Semantic Forms (i'm not an author). what kind of patch should i send in? $user_can_edit = $wgUser->isAllowed('edit') && $obj->mTitle->userCanEdit();
[16:42:51] <prefrontal>	simply nuke the right side seems sufficient?
[16:43:00] <Simetrical>	->userCan( 'edit' ); should probably work, offhand.
[16:43:07] <Simetrical>	Nuking the right side is probably a Bad Idea.
[16:45:14] <prefrontal>	thanks guys, now fixed:)
[16:45:35] <TimStarling>	brion: someone merged StringFunctions into ParserFunctions again
[16:45:41] <brion>	heh
[16:45:55] <Nikerabbit>	argh
[16:45:57] <brion>	if they work, are efficient, and we want them that's fine
[16:46:02] <brion>	if not, then take em back out :)
[16:46:13] <Nikerabbit>	now I'm getting 500 internal server error
[16:46:39] <TimStarling>	my concern is that they'll be used a lot
[16:47:13] <TimStarling>	that people will attempt to implement natural language parsing for template parameters
[16:47:18] <prefrontal>	they certainly will be. you could implement all sorts of "cool" algorithms using them
[16:47:42] <TimStarling>	there's a guy on the bug report who wants to do exactly that and just can't wait
[16:48:26] <TimStarling>	I think it'll be bad for performance, bad for editor usability, and it'll encourage the use of wikitext as a programming language
[16:48:38] <Fenyx>	I'm trying to find an extension that will let me know what the most wanted stubs are. Anyone know of one? (Or can help me with the SQL to write one?)
[16:48:38] <TimStarling>	which it may well be, but it's the ugliest programming language in the whole world
[16:50:03] <TimStarling>	so basically I think it'll be like the introduction of ParserFunctions in the first place
[16:50:18] <TimStarling>	but worse
[16:50:35] <brion>	:)
[16:51:21] <werdna>	If we're after something which can be implemented in pure PHP, perhaps the AbuseFilter parser language could be adapted for use inline in wikitext?
[16:51:40] <TimStarling>	AbuseFilter is quite nice
[16:52:04] <TimStarling>	I see it has variables and statements now
[16:52:15] <TimStarling>	but it's still lacking first-class functions and OOP
[16:53:23] <TimStarling>	and lambdas and multiple inheritance
[16:53:54] <TimStarling>	languages just have a way of growing forever
[16:54:18] <werdna>	at least, unlike wikitext, it looks like a real programming language :)
[16:54:40] <TimStarling>	that recursive descent parser is not the best thing
[16:54:59] <werdna>	you want it reimplemented as a shunting yard, right?
[16:55:13] <TimStarling>	something like that
[16:55:24] <TimStarling>	have you seen the VM parser I wrote for the master switch script?
[16:55:32] <werdna>	not in detail
[16:55:33] <TimStarling>	it worked out OK
[16:55:55] <TimStarling>	not sure if it's fast, I haven't benchmarked it, but it feels reasonably fast
[16:56:03] <werdna>	I did see some of the code and think "Trust Tim to engineer something like that"
[16:58:13] <TimStarling>	brion: what's your current position on lua exactly?
[16:59:21] <prefrontal>	17,000 lines of C
[16:59:28] <prefrontal>	throws a whole new kink into usability efforts though
[17:00:12] <brion>	TimStarling: might be neat in theory. in practice we need an implementation that works on out-of-the-box LAMP installs :)
[17:01:24] <TimStarling>	how about LAMP installs with shell access?
[17:01:31] <TimStarling>	that's an easier target
[17:01:37] <TimStarling>	and no safe mode
[17:02:34] <TimStarling>	I mean, is there a possibility you'd be convinced by a reasonably straightforward setup based on standard packages
[17:02:34] <werdna>	in theory LUA is just as bad as texvc, right?
[17:02:38] <TimStarling>	say, similar to texvc?
[17:02:55] <brion>	ehhh, texvc's bad enough to install. hmmmm
[17:03:20] <werdna>	you could get people to compile a LUA php extension and then you could dl() it in the code.
[17:03:34] <TimStarling>	dl() is deprecated
[17:03:45] <brion>	eww :)
[17:03:50] <brion>	and also often disabled "for your safety"
[17:03:55] <werdna>	there's no other way to load a php extension at runtime?
[17:04:24] <TimStarling>	no
[17:04:47] <TimStarling>	basically they realised they weren't unloading modules after request shutdown, and they had no real way to do that
[17:05:10] <werdna>	well, the other option is shelling out, but I think it would be cool to be able to call back to MediaWiki in some circumstances.
[17:05:16] <TimStarling>	so one request would affect the next, which is uncool in principle
[17:05:32] <werdna>	i.e. ifexist, gender, that sort of thing
[17:05:36] <TimStarling>	brion: is shelling out OK?
[17:06:05] <TimStarling>	I mean, texvc is quite hard to install, because you have to install latex
[17:06:21] <TimStarling>	which is a million packages and if you forget one it will fail in some subtle way
[17:07:05] <brion>	shelling out is fine for optional stuff; i just worry that we're cutting off a lot of potential users from being able to use templates they get off wikipedia if we require it
[17:07:08] <TimStarling>	if we're talking about having lua in the preprocessor, that's quite different to texvc in terms of compatibility
[17:07:30] <TimStarling>	right, if you copy a wikipedia article and the formulas don't work, you'll probably survive
[17:07:50] <TimStarling>	but if nothing works at all except the bulk page text, you might be upset
[17:07:51] <werdna>	brion: yeah that's a pretty reasonable concern, especially if LUA becomes as widespread in articles as templates are now
[17:08:02] <TimStarling>	I can imagine pretty much all templates would want to use such a thing
[17:08:07] <TimStarling>	infoboxes, reference templates
[17:08:11] <werdna>	right
[17:08:45] <TimStarling>	the current situation does suck though
[17:09:06] <CIA-9>	03rotem * r51028 10/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Localization update for he.
[17:09:27] <TimStarling>	I had to explain and apologise quite a lot at the developer meeting in berlin
[17:09:33] <TimStarling>	because there were a lot of people there who knew it sucked
[17:10:35] <werdna>	he gets it at wiki wednesday sometimes too :)
[17:10:43] <TimStarling>	there's a number of pure PHP solutions
[17:10:53] <TimStarling>	potential DIY solutions I mean
[17:10:57] <TimStarling>	syntax directions
[17:11:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colour-dependent positioning errors in SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18936  (10t_edwards)
[17:11:46] <TimStarling>	I think supporting PHP really does mean a DIY solution, I don't think there are too many languages which work in both PHP and C
[17:12:32] <TimStarling>	so we'd have to rule out lua and SSJS and TCL, and whatever else has been suggested
[17:12:54] <werdna>	17:20 < TimStarling> I think supporting PHP really does mean a DIY solution, I don't think there are too many languages which work in both PHP and C
[17:13:31] <werdna>	What you mean is "No sensible language has been silly enough to try writing an interpreter in PHP" :)
[17:13:44] <TimStarling>	well, it's hard enough writing a fast compiler in C
[17:14:01] <TimStarling>	plenty of people have failed at that
[17:14:39] <TimStarling>	what about subsets?
[17:14:45] <brion>	php implementation of lua? ;)
[17:15:23] <TimStarling>	if we can validate a subset of, say, lua, and also implement that subset, then we can let it run either in lua itself or PHP
[17:15:23] <werdna>	oh wait
[17:15:28] <TimStarling>	and limit the development time
[17:15:31] <werdna>	there's a PHP implementation of PHP!
[17:15:33] <werdna>	eval()
[17:15:35] *werdna 	hides
[17:15:38] <RoanKattouw>	werdna: Since generating dumps on zwinger seems to be a pain in the ass, how about trying to generate one on the dump server(s)?
[17:16:35] <werdna>	RoanKattouw: it's not the server at issue
[17:16:35] <TimStarling>	brion: RoanKattouw has been asking werdna for MediaWiki namespace dumps
[17:16:36] <werdna>	it's the command
[17:16:48] <werdna>	[andrew@zwinger maintenance]$ php dumpBackup.php --wiki dewiki --current --filter=namespace:8 > ~/dewiki-ns8.xml
[17:16:50] <RoanKattouw>	Right
[17:16:52] <werdna>	that's what I'm trying
[17:16:54] <TimStarling>	but dumpBackup.php has been broken since like 1.13
[17:17:12] <RoanKattouw>	Well somehow Tomasz is running ns0 dumps just fine, ns8 dumps aren't inherently different
[17:17:25] <werdna>	probably with a different script
[17:17:43] <werdna>	it's 10am, tom should be in soon
[17:18:22] <TimStarling>	anyone have an opinion on r49019? http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/49019
[17:18:56] <werdna>	three dots seems marginally better because not everything uses unicode
[17:19:03] <werdna>	but I don't actually care, so... :)
[17:19:12] <werdna>	or perhaps I meant so…
[17:19:13] <mark>	and it's bigger, more readable :)
[17:19:29] <TimStarling>	you mean you don't care so…
[17:19:45] <Simetrical>	The ellipsis character is ugly in monospace.
[17:19:45] <werdna>	TimStarling: I beat you to it :)
[17:19:53] <TimStarling>	someone must want it
[17:19:56] <Simetrical>	In normal fonts there's no big difference, so what's the point?
[17:20:08] <Simetrical>	Also, three dots is easier for users to edit.
[17:20:11] *Simetrical 	votes for three dots
[17:21:25] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: is it supposed to be possible to define namespace in function that is called from wgExtensionFunctions ?
[17:22:12] <TimStarling>	Nikerabbit: doesn't sound like a good idea
[17:22:47] <TimStarling>	Simetrical: presumably anything would be better than http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/48978
[17:23:04] <Simetrical>	Heh.
[17:23:06] <brion>	TimStarling: should be easy. i'll poke tomasz when he's done talking to ariel & fred :D
[17:23:15] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: how would one go defining namespaces conditionally
[17:23:24] <Simetrical>	Let every site choose its own ellipsis format!  Yay!
[17:23:42] <Simetrical>	Especially by making zillions of extra message reads.
[17:26:05] <brion>	tomaszf: ping RoanKattouw re dumps
[17:26:16] <tomaszf>	sure. context ?
[17:26:38] <RoanKattouw>	tomaszf: I need ns8 dumps for {en,de,ja,ar,sr}wiki
[17:26:48] <TimStarling>	Nikerabbit: try it from $wgExtensionFunctions and see if it works
[17:27:19] <tomaszf>	ahh ok 
[17:27:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Specific log for revision deletions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17806  (10cenarium.sysop)
[17:28:43] <TimStarling>	http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Support&oldid=1153522#More_candidates_to_use_Ellipsis
[17:30:03] <Nikerabbit>	TimStarling: huh, that was exactly what I was doing
[17:30:20] <Nikerabbit>	but something gets to unstub wgContLang before that
[17:30:49] <TimStarling>	have a look at some other extensions that create namespaces and see what they do
[17:35:34] <Nikerabbit>	few others are doing the same thing
[17:36:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Please activate Rollback on Simple.Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18938 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Site requests; (Abigor)
[17:37:57] <Nikerabbit>	it's kinda risky...
[17:40:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please activate Rollback on Simple.Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18938   +shell (10shinjiman)
[17:47:18] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Please activate Rollback on Simple.Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18938  -shell  (10rhalsell)
[17:47:31] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please activate Rollback on Simple.Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18938  (10rhalsell)
[17:48:10] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Please activate Rollback on Simple.Wikibooks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18938  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:50:23] <RoanKattouw>	brion: Reminds me, congrats on your wedding
[17:50:55] <Emachman>	TimStarling: Did you get around to adding me to the CC for API?
[17:51:56] <TimStarling>	yes
[17:52:13] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Enable AbuseFilter on Cantonese Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18589  +comment (10rhalsell)
[17:54:40] <brion>	thx RoanKattouw :D
[17:55:13] <Emachman>	Thanks, Tim-away
[17:56:44] <wikibugs>	03(ASSIGNED) Creation of namespace 'Portal' at bar.wikipedia.org - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16290  +comment (10rhalsell)
[18:00:53] <rainman-sr>	yes, brion congrats! /me sends nice weather into brions whereabouts
[18:01:48] <brion>	thx :D
[18:02:07] <brion>	weather was *beautiful* here on thursday
[18:02:30] <brion>	we're heading out to chicago for a couple weeks soon, hopefully it'll hold nice there too ;)
[18:09:41] <Reedy>	brion, windy, i suspect
[18:10:22] <brion>	:)
[18:16:08] <wikibugs>	03(mod) In combination with MW 1.16 alpha, newest SVN DynamicPageList breaks general layout through error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18924  +comment (10gero.scholz)
[19:09:13] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) New transclusion classes - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18939 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: Extensions requests; (Blindwanderer)
[19:17:03] <CIA-9>	03robin * r51029 10/trunk/phase3/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Per comment at r50961: keep the messages saying "you need to be logged in to ...", but only show it when normal logged-in users can upload
[19:25:10] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) tag names should be legal as page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18940 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: AbuseFilter; (ssanbeg)
[19:26:46] <massctrl>	hi I'm using templates, which work out well, but, .. I want to add a link into each template and I'm using the syntax: [[{{{1}}}]] which should create a link to an internal page, ..; but instead it shows the square brackets literally like this [[whatevercomeshere]] how can I prevent this?
[19:28:40] <RoanKattouw>	That should just work
[19:28:50] <RoanKattouw>	Unless whatevercomeshere is an illegal title
[19:33:01] <massctrl>	hmyeah, I think that will be the problem, ...
[19:33:20] <massctrl>	I'm using spaces, in there which get converted to underscores by mediawiki
[19:34:08] <Simetrical>	Spaces in links are no problem.
[19:51:48] <Betacommand>	RoanKattouw: how close are to you having special pages for the API?
[19:52:27] <RoanKattouw>	I'm still finishing up with the querypage rewrite
[19:52:45] <RoanKattouw>	Don't have much time for it though, I've got uni and work
[19:53:18] <Betacommand>	RoanKattouw: OK Im waiting for Special:Emailuser to be available via API
[19:53:25] <RoanKattouw>	It already is
[19:53:35] <RoanKattouw>	action=emailuser IIRC
[19:53:36] <Betacommand>	RoanKattouw: I missed that
[19:55:39] <massctrl>	ok i'm almost there fixing my template problem, by using {{localurl:page name}} but I can't figure out why there are 3 quotes along the value
[19:57:25] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r51030 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/languages/DT_Messages.php: 'import XML' messages generalized to become just 'import' messages, usable for either XML or CSV; 'import CSV' messages added
[19:58:42] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r51031 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/specials/DT_ImportXML.php: Message-value calls changed to reflect newly-generalized message values
[19:59:38] *vvv 	loves PHP for ability injecting new properties to existing object
[20:00:58] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r51032 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/specials/DT_ImportCSV.php: New page for importing CSV data
[20:01:40] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r51033 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/ (INSTALL README includes/DT_GlobalFunctions.php): New version: 0.3 - CSV importing added
[20:06:26] <massctrl>	anyone knows how I can avoid mediawiki to parse {{localurl:whatever_page}} into /wiki/%27%27%27whatever_page%27%27%27 but into /wiki/whatever_page
[20:10:50] <RoanKattouw>	massctrl: For some reason you're feeding '''Whatever page''' into localurl:
[20:14:07] <CIA-9>	03raymond * r51034 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (179 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-05-26 20:00 UTC)
[20:25:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) tag names should be restricted to be legal as page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18940  summary; +comment (10brion)
[20:37:32] <CIA-9>	03nojhan * r51035 10/trunk/tools/planet/fr/config.ini: Wikimedia France official blog
[20:42:41] <CIA-9>	03yaron * r51036 10/trunk/extensions/DataTransfer/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 'importxml' permission renamed to 'datatransferimport', defaulted to on for sysops
[20:51:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support inline player for MIDI files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18852  summary; +comment (10brion)
[20:52:12] <wikibugs>	14(DUP) MIDI files - inconsistent handling of [[File:...]] vs [[:File:...]] vs [[Media:...]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18922  +comment (10brion)
[20:52:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Support inline player for MIDI files - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18852  +comment (10brion)
[20:54:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Incorrect escaping kills Javascript in Swedish localization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18853  +comment (10brion)
[20:58:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RevisionsBeforeDiff hook - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18856  +comment (10brion)
[20:58:35] <CIA-9>	03raymond * r51037 10/trunk/extensions/ (88 files in 80 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-05-26 20:45 UTC)
[21:00:04] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Can't open documents from Internet Explorer (IE) address bar thru img_auth.php - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18858  +comment (10brion)
[21:00:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Search should index template expansion - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18861  +comment (10brion)
[21:05:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SELECT ... LIMIT fails on PostgreSQL - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18863  +comment (10brion)
[21:05:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Please, dissable local upload of files on es.wikibooks. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18865  (10brion)
[21:09:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The toggle defined in $extraUserToggles won't display in the user preferences - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18870  +comment (10brion)
[21:11:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Include at least some EXIF metadata in resized pictures - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18871  +comment (10brion)
[21:14:15] <brion>	mdale: Notice: Undefined variable: stream_endLength in /Library/WebServer/Documents/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/PEAR/File_Ogg/File/Ogg/Vorbis.php on line 183
[21:14:53] <mdale>	hmm
[21:17:51] <mdale>	that line should not be there.. but its been there for a few revisions... 
[21:22:55] <CIA-9>	03brion * r51038 10/trunk/phase3/ (RELEASE-NOTES languages/messages/MessagesEn.php): 
[21:22:55] <CIA-9>	* (bug 11484) Added ISO speed rating to default collapsed EXIF metadata view
[21:22:55] <CIA-9>	One-line addition to [[MediaWiki:Metadata-fields]], can be done locally where sites already have this customized (as on Commons).
[21:23:24] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) Include ISO rating in abbreviated exif metadata - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11484  +comment (10brion)
[21:25:16] <massctrl>	Hi i'm creating unlinked articles by doing http://url/wiki/whatever the title might be, mediwiki converts this to http://url/wiki/whatever_the_title_might_be .  I edit the page and I use a templete which should create a link in my article which is the exact url of the article.... so in my template I use {{fullurl:{{{1}}}}} but the result of that is always http://url/wiki/%27%27%27whatever_the_title_might_be%27%27%27 how can I get r
[21:25:16] <massctrl>	id of the %27?
[21:25:39] <CIA-9>	03dale * r51039 10/trunk/extensions/OggHandler/PEAR/File_Ogg/File/Ogg/Vorbis.php: removed setting streamLength from non-existent variables
[21:25:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) EXIF data shown incorrectly for fractional values - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3892  (10brion)
[21:26:05] <mdale>	(my bad on that one)
[21:26:17] <brion>	thx :D
[21:31:46] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Make Special:NewPages transcludable like Special:Wantedpages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18941 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (paul)
[21:33:37] <mutante>	yay, my server is IPv6 enabled i now get wiki pages like  User talk:2001:6F8:1120:0:216:D3FF:FEBC:9ED8  :)
[21:34:09] <atomjani>	only IP6. I use the IP12:D
[21:34:17] <atomjani>	+v
[21:37:34] <wikibugs>	03(mod) htmlform.js produce javascript error after change a select - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18873  +comment (10brion)
[21:37:37] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add enwiki as import source at mediawikiwiki - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18874  (10brion)
[21:39:09] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create new namespace for Korean Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18876  +comment (10brion)
[21:42:20] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Addition of the local language name for other languages in action=sitematrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18878  +comment (10brion)
[21:42:36] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Parser function to return the name of a language, given a language code, in a specified language - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9465  (10brion)
[21:43:06] <brion>	Nikerabbit: mind taking a quick peek at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18878 ? I'm not sure offhand how easy it is to pull in cldr extension's language names to toher extensions etc
[21:44:12] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Nonexistent category pages show useless preview on first edit - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18879  +comment (10brion)
[21:47:12] <JNSamuel>	hi, how did wikipedia hide the page title and let it show for every other page, such as <title>[pagetitlesnipped] Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</title> ?
[21:48:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) The revision size is not available for old revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12188  +comment (10brion)
[21:48:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) maintenance script to populate rev_len field for pre-April 2007 revisions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18881  (10brion)
[21:49:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Unuploaded images inserted within pages does not refer to a site-wide upload page, but rather the local - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18885  normal->minor; normal->low (10brion)
[21:53:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  +comment (10brion)
[21:53:58] <roberthl>	brion: LanguageNames::getNames(); the first parameter specifies which language to return an array of language names in. e.g. LanguageNames::getNames( 'en' ); would return an array( 'German', 'French', 'English' ... ); and LanguageNames::getName( 'fr' ) something like array( 'Francais', 'Anglais' ... );
[21:55:34] <JNSamuel>	anyone? :)
[21:55:43] <Alphos>	JNSamuel you should alter your Common.css
[21:55:47] <Alphos>	and add this :
[21:56:10] <Alphos>	body.page-<page name> h1.firstHeading { display:none }
[21:56:22] <manuel>	hey
[21:56:28] <Alphos>	(replace <page name> by the actual page name...
[21:56:43] <JNSamuel>	that doesn't change the <title>..</title> tags, though; it only changes the page headers :(
[21:57:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Make contribs link red if no contribs exist - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18887  +comment (10brion)
[21:57:27] <roberthl>	brion: is that everything you need to know?
[21:57:45] <brion>	roberthl: sounds good. :D can you post that on the bug entry so i don't forget? thx :D
[21:57:51] <roberthl>	sure thing
[21:58:02] <Alphos>	oh, html title...
[21:58:24] <Splarka>	JNSamuel: for the main page you mean?
[21:58:30] <JNSamuel>	yes
[21:58:39] <Splarka>	there is a specific message just for the main page
[21:58:43] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Pagetitle-view-mainpage
[21:59:17] <JNSamuel>	ah goodie, thanks :)!
[21:59:30] <manuel>	I'm trying to use a template that does something like [http://www.myurl.tld/{{{1|}}}.php{{#if: {{{2|}}}|#{{{2}}}}} {{{3|}}}] ; but that doesn't work, it transcludes as [http://www.myurl.tld/arg1.php\n#arg2 arg3] (adds a newline before the hash sign and make it a numbered list)
[21:59:39] <manuel>	is there a simple way to make it work? :)
[22:00:23] <Splarka>	brion: note that as siebrand points out, the red link check isn't needed for a lot of cases.... like say an edit line in recent changes, or history...
[22:00:24] <JNSamuel>	hmm... didn't work for my mediawiki installation, wikipedia must have a modification some where.
[22:00:36] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) External links should skip the scheme if it's the same as the site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18889  +comment (10brion)
[22:00:51] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Addition of the local language name for other languages in action=sitematrix - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18878  (10robert)
[22:01:46] <Splarka>	manuel: the first character of a magic word, parser function, or template is interpreted as starting on a new line (which is sort of buggy behavior)
[22:02:30] <Splarka>	try <nowiki>#</nowiki>
[22:03:04] <Splarka>	(though that might break the URL syntax)
[22:03:21] <Splarka>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12974
[22:03:39] <Splarka>	JNSamuel: what version of MW are you on?
[22:03:58] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable editors to declare ref body text outside of main article prose. Also Enable editors to control footnote ordering. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18890  +comment (10brion)
[22:04:23] <manuel>	Splarka: doesn't work (it does something like [http://www.myurl.tld/arg1.php #arg2 arg3])
[22:04:55] <Splarka>	okay, try [http://www.myurl.tld/{{{1|}}}.php#{{#if: {{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}}} {{{3|}}}]
[22:05:09] <Splarka>	though it will make ugly fragmenty URLs...
[22:05:12] <JNSamuel>	MediaWiki 1.13.2
[22:05:34] <Splarka>	alternately you could: [http://www.myurl.tld/{{{1|}}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|.php#{{{2}}}|.php}} {{{3|}}}]
[22:05:35] <manuel>	Splarka: well, that'll work, but http://www.myurl.tld/plop.php# is a ugly url :)
[22:05:48] <manuel>	yeah, that could work
[22:06:27] <Splarka>	in some cases you can't work around like this, like {{PAGENAME}} on [[*foo]]
[22:06:38] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*Foo
[22:07:20] <manuel>	yeah, it does work. thanks a lot, Splarka :)
[22:07:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Change logo for Bulgarian Wikisource - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18897  (10brion)
[22:07:33] <Splarka>	rar
[22:08:02] <Splarka>	JNSamuel: hmm...
[22:08:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) probably bug in SVG→PNG rendering mechanism - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18900  +comment (10brion)
[22:08:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901  (10brion)
[22:09:01] <JNSamuel>	that page looks like there is a bug, it's showing mediawiki formatting, [[
[22:09:13] <JNSamuel>	when on other uncreated pages dont
[22:09:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable editors to declare ref body text outside of main article prose. Also Enable editors to control footnote ordering. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18890  (10shreevatsa.public)
[22:10:50] <Splarka>	JNSamuel: <title> can't contain anything but plain text
[22:11:05] <chuck>	<title> can have weird characters
[22:11:17] <wikibugs>	03(mod) OverRide the name of the Squid Proxy owner to something meaningfull - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18903  normal->low; +comment (10brion)
[22:11:29] <JNSamuel>	[23:06:32] <Splarka> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*Foo
[22:11:36] <JNSamuel>	and sorry, i was a little offtopic.
[22:11:57] <Splarka>	JNSamuel: erm yes, that is the point, that was directed at manuel, see bug 12974
[22:12:08] <OverlordQ>	which version of rsvg does WMF use? (just curious)
[22:12:24] <Splarka>	JNSamuel: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=rev&revision=38730
[22:12:30] <Splarka>	added in 1.14
[22:12:58] <manuel>	Splarka: alternatively, using &#35; instead of # seems to work
[22:13:07] <Splarka>	ahh, k, entity
[22:13:33] <Splarka>	JNSamuel: until you upgrade to 1.14 you can use the ParserFunctions extension in MediaWiki:Pagetitle
[22:14:08] <Splarka>	{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Main Page||$1 - }}{{SITENAME}}
[22:14:12] <Splarka>	or such
[22:17:55] <Marybelle>	You only use that if you hate cache...
[22:17:58] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) Enable editors to declare ref body text outside of main article prose. Also Enable editors to control footnote ordering. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18890  +comment (10brion)
[22:18:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable recent changes patrol on Bulgarian Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18905  (10brion)
[22:18:57] <Splarka>	Marybelle: only the wm wikis love cache, in the biblical sense
[22:19:02] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  (10lbickley)
[22:19:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  (10lbickley)
[22:20:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add an unique CSS class or ID to the tagfilter table row at RecentChanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18704  +comment (10agarrett)
[22:20:39] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Tag filtering interface wastes lots of space - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18774  (10agarrett)
[22:21:15] <wikibugs>	03(mod) tag names should be restricted to be legal as page titles - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18940  (10agarrett)
[22:24:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  (10lbickley)
[22:24:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) External links should skip the scheme if it's the same as the site - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18889  normal->low; +comment (10greenreaper)
[22:28:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) RSS/Atom feeds contains escaped &#32; in title - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18907  +comment (10brion)
[22:28:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  (10sam)
[22:30:13] <Reedy>	brion, for that pdf one, what are you using to view/print the pdfs?
[22:30:30] <brion>	Preview
[22:30:32] <wikibugs>	03(mod) DatabasePostgres missing insertSelect wrapper - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18909  (10brion)
[22:31:29] <Reedy>	hmm.. I can dupe his bug on a slightly different version of acrobat reader on windows.. gonna get the latest version (whatever v9) and see if its just adobe being shitty
[22:32:14] <brion>	Reedy: evince also seems fine
[22:32:30] <Reedy>	im wondering if its just something in acrobat 8.1.x
[22:33:41] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) Enable editors to declare ref body text outside of main article prose. Also Enable editors to control footnote ordering. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18890  +comment (10shreevatsa.public)
[22:34:15] <Reedy>	slow interenet is slow :(
[22:37:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  +comment (10sam)
[22:37:31] <werdna>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/editflagtypes.cgi
[22:37:34] <werdna>	this looks kinda handy
[22:37:40] <werdna>	we should start using that
[22:38:06] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Math Markup doesn't print out in PDF export. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18916  +comment (10brion)
[22:38:14] <Reedy>	brion, document viewer on ubuntu 9.04 is also fine.. leaning more towards it being acrobat at fault
[22:38:42] <werdna>	well, acrobat is used by 90% of people who view PDFs
[22:38:49] <werdna>	in many respects it defines the standard for PDFs
[22:38:54] <Reedy>	yeah, i get that
[22:38:58] <Reedy>	but if its solved by a version upgraded
[22:39:00] <Reedy>	*upgrade
[22:39:01] <werdna>	so I think that if it's broken in Acrobat, it's broken.
[22:39:06] <Reedy>	its not something to worry about
[22:39:10] <Reedy>	as i am using an old version
[22:39:49] <flyingparchment>	werdna: since PDF is an Adobe standard, that 's hardly surprising ;)
[22:40:00] <flyingparchment>	(that it defines the standard)
[22:40:09] <Reedy>	FoxIt fine on windows..
[22:40:30] <brion>	Reedy: confirmed buggy w/ Acrobat 9 on linux
[22:40:34] <werdna>	flyingparchment: yes, my point :)
[22:40:34] <flyingparchment>	btw, isn't Acrobat 8.1 full of critical security flaws?
[22:41:13] <Reedy>	I'm running windows to begin with ;)
[22:41:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  +comment (10brion)
[22:41:18] <Reedy>	Hmm.. Its only offering me to upgrade to 8.1.4 - "This security update is for Adobe Reader 8.1.3. Adobe recommends that you always install the latest security updates."
[22:41:21] <Reedy>	v9 is out..
[22:41:38] <brion>	fresh 9.1.0 fails
[22:42:10] <Reedy>	Dear Abobe, Your software fails. Kthxbai
[22:43:38] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Create new namespace for Korean Wiktionary - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18876  (10AheunHana)
[22:46:54] <wikibugs>	03(mod) probably bug in SVG→PNG rendering mechanism - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18900  +comment (10overlordq)
[22:49:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Special:CentralAuth/Username should output a sortable table - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18918   +easy (10brion)
[22:50:16] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add user group membership to Special:CentralAuth/Username - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18917  +comment (10brion)
[22:50:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  (10sam)
[22:50:35] <Reedy>	brion, on 9.1.0 idd you also get a "There were no pages selected to print" error?
[22:51:21] <Subfader>	is this a bug? the search result page lists redirects by default while "List redirects" is unticked. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=libraries&ns0=1&ns4=1&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Suchen
[22:53:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Provide database dumps of just article namespace - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18919  +comment (10brion)
[22:55:42] <wikibugs>	03(mod) PDFs created by Wikipedia are viewable but will not print - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18886  (10sam)
[22:55:45] <wikibugs>	14(INVALID) thumbcaption is using center and font tags - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18921  +comment (10brion)
[22:58:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) uploadcorrupt error message is vague and confusing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18923  +comment (10brion)
[22:59:10] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Enable editors to declare ref body text outside of main article prose. Also Enable editors to control footnote ordering. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18890  (10bill.mitchell)
[22:59:14] <wikibugs>	03(mod) In combination with MW 1.16 alpha, newest SVN DynamicPageList2 breaks general layout through error messages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18924  summary; +comment (10brion)
[23:02:12] <wikibugs>	03(mod) initStats does not refresh active_users count (with patch) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18930  +comment (10brion)
[23:09:27] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Default MediaWiki:Confirmrecreate produces incorrect output when the delete reason was empty - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18937  (10brion)
[23:11:24] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901  (10brion)
[23:11:49] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Colour-dependent positioning errors in SVG rasterisation - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18936  (10brion)
[23:11:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG rasterisation on Wikimedia sites (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8901  (10brion)
[23:11:55] <wikibugs>	03(mod) history.js removes class names of list elements on initialization - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18925   +need-review +patch (10brion)
[23:13:03] <JNSamuel>	is this safe to have my wiki setup like this?: http://www.paste.info.tm/288
[23:22:29] <roberthl>	Can't really determine whether it is safe or not from that.
[23:22:58] <Reedy>	Yeah, thts just a list of files
[23:23:10] <Reedy>	no permissions or anything
[23:27:31] <JNSamuel>	ah, sorry. http://www.paste.info.tm/289
[23:41:34] <Splarka>	hmmm, so the priority field is again being used? <wikibugs> (mod) Unuploaded images inserted within pages does not refer to a site-wide upload page, but rather the local - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18885 normal->minor; normal->low (brion)
[23:41:37] *Splarka 	glares at brion
[23:41:45] <Splarka>	hmmmm
[23:41:51] *Splarka 	glares at AaronSchulz
[23:41:59] <Splarka>	damn, didn't work that time
[23:45:14] <Splarka>	heh, maybe {{REVISION.....}} parserfunctions should use revisionIDs instead of page titles
[23:45:27] <Splarka>	and maybe there should be {{TOPREVISION:pagename}} to get that for a title..
[23:47:25] <Subfader>	i may repeat myself but: is this a bug? the search result page lists redirects by default while "List redirects" is unticked. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=libraries&ns0=1&ns4=1&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Suchen