[00:00:21] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) disambiguations-text is itself ambiguous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19184 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Templates; (jidanni)
[01:18:23] <ezyang>	Hello all; I'm doing an upgrade from 1.5 to 1.15, and I need to fill out an AdminSettings.php. How... do I do that? 
[01:20:25] <ezyang>	Oh, haha, regular user works 
[01:20:49] <ezyang>	Whoo. It'll be pretty awesome if this works 
[01:52:30] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) Can not print out a PDF file of enwiki article Uniforms of the United States Marine Corps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19167  +comment (10glacierwolf)
[01:52:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Transparent background for TeX formulas - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19181  (10p858snake)
[01:53:30] <wikibugs>	03(CLOSED) Can not print out a PDF file of enwiki article Uniforms of the United States Marine Corps - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19167  (10glacierwolf)
[01:56:05] <wikibugs>	03(mod) SVG rendering bug on thumbnail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19182  (10p858snake)
[02:18:55] *Splarka 	duplicates the component of p858snake's resolve
[02:19:03] <rook2pawn>	are there limitations on the number of items in Special:Import?  I dumped the entire 8MB xml of Help MediaWiki, and my Special:Import isnt really returning
[02:19:13] <rook2pawn>	err Manual:*
[02:32:58] <Skizzerz>	rook2pawn: no, but there is usually a limitation on how long php can be running
[02:33:07] <Skizzerz>	the default is 30 seconds
[02:33:30] <Skizzerz>	try importing it in chunks of 50-100 pages each
[03:29:02] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51841 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (15 files in 5 dirs): 
[03:29:02] <CIA-79>	* added doPlayThenSeek to support seeking while video is "stooped" (for instances where oggz_chop is not installed) .. we first play/load then seek.
[03:29:02] <CIA-79>	* re-worked addMediaWizard to work better with archive.org sources
[03:29:02] <CIA-79>	* improved addMediaWizard with sequencer integration. (some issues remain)
[04:09:14] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51842 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/libAddMedia/ (remoteSearchDriver.js seqRemoteSearchDriver.js): 
[04:09:14] <CIA-79>	* importing assets fixes
[04:09:14] <CIA-79>	* clean up of asset insert code to avoid extra api hit
[05:04:38] <Baconizer>	A copy of your installation's LocalSettings.php
[05:04:38] <Baconizer>	must exist and be readable in the source directory.
[05:04:40] <Baconizer>	:<
[05:04:45] <Baconizer>	for importDump.php
[05:04:51] <Baconizer>	But LocalSettings.php is there
[05:05:19] <Baconizer>	And readable
[05:15:11] <OverlordQ>	in the root directory?
[05:15:26] <Baconizer>	/var/www/html/wiki
[05:15:44] <Baconizer>	That is where it's supposed to be, right?
[05:15:51] <Baconizer>	Or am I being stupid again?
[05:16:06] <Baconizer>	importDump.php is in /var/www/html/wiki/maintenance/
[05:45:05] <Mister-angry>	balrgh
[05:45:09] <Mister-angry>	I broke mah wiki
[05:45:13] <Mister-angry>	I think
[05:45:30] <Mister-angry>	is there a proper way to add Google's analytics script on a wiki?
[05:54:15] <Prodego>	Mister-angry: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Analytics
[05:54:28] <Mister-angry>	oh
[05:56:54] <Prodego>	Mister-angry: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Analytics_Integration and http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Google_Analytics_Links too
[05:56:59] <Prodego>	there are a bunch of options
[05:57:45] <Splarka>	probably possible in straight site-JS too
[06:29:18] <p858snake>	i believe the site admins have been putting it striight in the common.js or what ever its called
[07:36:23] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Check for empty section before printing title, else visible in text browsers - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19185 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Page rendering; (jidanni)
[07:38:57] <Annemarie>	I hope it includes a bash quote.
[07:40:31] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) check if really can create an account, before advertising to do so - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19186 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[07:43:58] <Mrangry>	blargh netsplit
[07:45:21] <Mrangry>	so, yeah
[07:45:26] <Mrangry>	about my namespace question
[07:46:20] *Mister-angry 	facepalms
[07:46:30] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Move RecentChanges timestamp leftward so columns line up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18305  (10jidanni)
[07:46:46] <Baconizer>	You missed your answer :<
[07:47:13] <Mister-angry>	would you be so kind as to repeat it?
[07:47:24] <Baconizer>	No :D
[07:47:37] *Mister-angry 	waves bag of cookies
[07:47:42] <OverlordQ>	lol, instead of incomprehensible perl he's including awesome analogies
[07:48:33] *Baconizer 	takes the cookies
[07:49:06] <OverlordQ>	what namespace question?
[07:49:25] *Mister-angry 	sighs
[07:49:45] <Mister-angry>	OverlordQ: I asked if MW supports namespaces with all caps, ie, HUD, or if it eats it and spits out Hud
[07:50:02] <OverlordQ>	not a clue, try it and see?
[07:50:08] <Mister-angry>	also namespaces with spaces
[07:50:10] <Baconizer>	Wouldn't it vomit "Hud" rather than spit it out?
[07:50:13] <Baconizer>	Since it ate it?
[07:50:20] <Baconizer>	Or would it poop out "Hud?"
[07:50:33] <Mister-angry>	lol..
[07:50:51] <Mister-angry>	oh lawd
[07:50:53] <Mister-angry>	I broke the wiki
[07:50:59] <Splarka>	    'svwiktionary' => array(    # http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7933
[07:50:59] <Splarka>	        100 => 'WT',
[07:51:14] <Mister-angry>	oh
[07:51:16] <Mister-angry>	wait
[07:51:21] <Mister-angry>	I forgot to comment that line...
[07:52:04] <Mister-angry>	needs moar list of namespaces
[07:53:43] <Mister-angry>	ohkay what the wharrgarbl
[07:54:07] <Mister-angry>	I declared a namespace, but it's not recognizing it
[07:55:44] <OverlordQ>	works for me
[07:55:48] <Splarka>	did you say please?
[07:57:06] <Mister-angry>	yes, Splarka, I did say please
[07:57:32] <Mister-angry>	ARG
[07:57:37] <Mister-angry>	durp
[07:58:07] <Mister-angry>	problem is I declared my namespaces using $wgExtranamespaces, not $wgExtraNamespaces
[07:58:18] <Splarka>	and you were the one worrying about case
[07:58:22] <Splarka>	"isn't it ironic"
[07:58:34] <Mister-angry>	go away, please, Splarka.
[07:58:48] <OverlordQ>	like raiiiiiiiiaiaiainnnnn, on your wedding day
[07:58:48] <Splarka>	fun thing is: nothing is ironic, because nothing actually satisfies every definition of ironic, so the irony police are a total fascist state
[07:59:21] <OverlordQ>	that happened earlier
[07:59:24] <Mister-angry>	yeah, if you say so
[07:59:39] <OverlordQ>	somebody was like "omg <math> isn't working!" they didn't capitalize the variable right
[07:59:53] <OverlordQ>	silly crazy camel-cased $wgUseTeX
[08:00:06] <Mister-angry>	seems MW is a caps nazi
[08:00:15] <OverlordQ>	no, that'd be PHP
[08:00:28] <Mister-angry>	when it comes to namespaces
[08:00:32] <Mister-angry>	I have it defined as HUD
[08:00:40] <Mister-angry>	I put in hud:lulz and it fixes to HUD:Lulz
[08:01:17] <Splarka>	it is a cannon nazi yes
[08:02:24] *Mister-angry 	hands OverlordQ and Splarka a cookie each
[08:02:29] <Splarka>	(pun on canon...)
[08:02:47] <Mister-angry>	hmmh
[08:02:54] <Mister-angry>	doesn't like namespaces with spaces
[08:02:55] <Mister-angry>	lol
[08:03:01] <OverlordQ>	hurm?
[08:03:36] <Mister-angry>	well, mainly the browser's fault for putting underscores in mah spaces
[08:04:07] <Splarka>	define them with underscores
[08:04:13] <Mister-angry>	yeah
[08:04:28] <Splarka>	and resove yourself to the fact that spaces will be spaces OR underscores depending on the context/mood
[08:04:40] <Splarka>	tis the wikiway
[08:04:57] <Splarka>	spaces in <h1>, underscores pretty in URLs, etc
[08:04:58] <Mister-angry>	the wikiway huh?
[08:05:09] <OverlordQ>	spaces in {{NAMESPACE}}
[08:05:20] <Splarka>	underscores in {{NAMESPACEE}}
[08:05:39] <Mister-angry>	dashes in {{NAEMSPACE}}
[08:05:49] <Nikerabbit>	hi Splarka Splarka 
[08:06:01] <Mister-angry>	oh look it's a shoe rabbit
[08:06:15] <Splarka>	and probably small marginal cartoons by Sergio Aragon�s with {{NAMESPACEEE}}
[08:06:50] <Mister-angry>	and ?'s in {{NAMESPACE3}}
[08:06:53] <Splarka>	Wiktionary(picture of guy reading a book called "Wiktionary" and erasing a page with a pencil)Talk:
[08:06:56] <Mister-angry>	fontfail
[08:06:56] <Nikerabbit>	Mister-angry: that joke is getting old
[08:07:13] <Mister-angry>	lol
[08:07:36] <Mister-angry>	old jokes are always funny
[08:07:46] <Mister-angry>	the new people laugh, and you laugh at the new people for being noobs
[08:09:33] <Nikerabbit>	except when the joke wasn't funny when new either
[08:10:20] <Mister-angry>	oh shut up, you're ruining the fun
[08:13:26] <Nikerabbit>	Mister-angry: oh how passionate you are today preserving your fun
[08:13:54] *Mister-angry 	throws pencils at Nikerabbit
[08:14:13] <Mister-angry>	ooh, I know
[08:14:15] <Nikerabbit>	did you still have some problems with MediaWiki?
[08:14:16] *Mister-angry 	throws a carrot
[08:15:17] <Mister-angry>	none at the moment, but some are sure to spring up and whack me in the face, it's the way things must happen with me
[08:25:21] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Maintenance script cleanup - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19133  (10jidanni)
[08:25:22] <wikibugs>	03(mod) rebuildrecentchanges needs to act the same as plain recentchanges - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18364  (10jidanni)
[08:25:26] <wikibugs>	03(mod) refreshLinks.php forgets redirects - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18762  (10jidanni)
[08:25:40] <wikibugs>	03(mod) require commandLine.inc properly - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18855  (10jidanni)
[08:25:43] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow specifying what namespaces to generate sitemaps for, from the php command line - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17748  (10jidanni)
[08:53:14] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Special:NewPages needs constant width date, else columns won't line up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19187 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (jidanni)
[08:54:25] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Move RecentChanges timestamp leftward so columns line up - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18305  +comment (10jidanni)
[09:05:22] <rook2pawn>	what do  i need so things like #ifexist: {{#if: | | {{#if: | :}}Manual:FAQ}}/a   are dealt with?
[09:05:36] <Splarka>	!parserfunctions
[09:05:36] --mwbot--	"Parser functions" are a way to extend the wiki syntax. ParserFunctions is an extension that provides the basic set of parser functions (you have to install it separately!).  For help using parser functions, please see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Parser_functions>. For details about the extension, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions>.
[09:05:56] <rook2pawn>	ty
[09:05:58] <Splarka>	^ that extension by that name
[09:23:43] <rook2pawn>	so looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Attention_niels_epting.svg  i cant find this page in /wiki/Special:AllPages
[09:24:21] <rook2pawn>	does Special:AllPages have access to all the pages?
[09:25:14] <roberthl>	yes, use the drop-down slector to change namespaces though
[09:25:31] <Splarka>	that page isn't on mediawiki.org
[09:25:56] <Splarka>	notice: http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=File:Attention_niels_epting.svg&action=edit is blank
[09:26:23] <Splarka>	so no, Allpages doesn't have access to it, because it is: a) deleted and b) the content is from commons
[09:26:34] <rook2pawn>	Ahh!
[09:26:37] <rook2pawn>	you know so much :p
[09:26:52] <Splarka>	the same situation (but for a different reason) exists for MediaWiki: default messages
[09:27:00] <Splarka>	they will appear to have content even when they don't exist
[09:36:54] <kr1s>	Hi, is it possible to draw gantt charts in a wiki? Or Timelines with some tasks?
[09:39:39] <Splarka>	there is http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EasyTimeline ...
[09:39:52] <domas>	someone did extension for gantts too iirc
[09:40:13] <Splarka>	http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amediawiki.org+gantt   *cough*
[09:40:37] <domas>	or maybe not
[09:40:38] <domas>	:))
[09:46:27] <kr1s>	i try the easytimeline extension
[09:46:30] <kr1s>	thx
[09:46:40] <kr1s>	Do you know why i cant upload odp files?
[09:50:23] <Splarka>	did you enable that extension?
[09:50:26] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuring_file_uploads
[09:52:47] <kr1s>	yes, i do
[09:53:52] <Splarka>	what is the error?
[09:55:07] <Splarka>	possibly http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgMimeTypeBlacklist
[09:55:32] <kr1s>	hm, in German "Die Datei ist beschädigt oder hat eine falsche Datei-Erweiterung. Bitte überprüfe die Datei und wiederhole den Hochlade-Vorgang." , may the file is corrupt or has a wrong extension. Please retry
[09:56:26] <kr1s>	a, i think odt, odp files are zipped
[09:56:44] <Splarka>	blacklisted because of zipbombs
[09:57:25] <Splarka>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_bomb
[10:00:57] <kr1s>	hm, i have mediawiki 1.12.0
[10:01:16] <kr1s>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_configuration_settings_1.12.0
[10:01:21] <kr1s>	there is no mime check
[10:02:49] <Splarka>	well, there has been mime check since 1.5
[10:04:21] <kr1s>	okay
[10:04:25] <kr1s>	thx :)
[10:04:27] <kr1s>	it works
[10:04:27] <Baconizer>	Those mimes do need checking
[10:04:36] <Baconizer>	Devious little people, all of them
[10:04:39] <Baconizer>	Except the big ones
[10:05:11] <kr1s>	the wiki is only for private use, so i disabled wgVerifyMimeType
[10:05:18] <Splarka>	sounds good
[10:05:35] <Baconizer>	There are only two mime types, kr1s: evil, and more evil
[10:05:45] <Baconizer>	Block both, it's well worth the extra effor
[10:05:47] <Baconizer>	Believe me
[10:05:57] <Baconizer>	effort*
[10:07:08] <kr1s>	okay
[10:08:04] <kr1s>	so, thx all :)
[10:08:29] <Baconizer>	Stay away from the mimes
[10:08:35] <Baconizer>	They're evil
[10:09:49] <kr1s>	thx
[10:14:16] <Baconizer>	no, we dont
[10:14:24] <Baconizer>	no, we will not help
[10:14:32] <Baconizer>	yes, we know about it
[10:14:36] <Baconizer>	bai
[10:14:44] <Baconizer>	o/
[10:16:09] <Splarka>	Baconizer: do you need something?
[10:16:58] <Baconizer>	Splarka: maybe it is you who needs something
[10:17:02] <Baconizer>	Maybe you need to help people
[10:17:08] <Baconizer>	And I am the closest available person
[10:17:14] <Baconizer>	You should get checked
[10:18:28] <Baconizer>	Splarka: actually, I do have an issue :D
[10:18:51] <Baconizer>	importDump.php isn't working
[10:19:22] <Baconizer>	It says LocalSettings.php needs to be in root and available
[10:19:30] <Baconizer>	Root would be /var/www/html/wiki, right?
[10:20:49] <Baconizer>	Splarka Splarka omg Splarka
[10:21:29] <Baconizer>	no
[10:25:35] <OverlordQ>	you sure permissions are correct? 
[10:26:10] <Baconizer>	It's 777
[10:26:32] <OverlordQ>	what version?
[10:26:50] <wikibugs>	03(mod) disambiguations-text is itself ambiguous - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19184  +comment (10happy-melon)
[10:28:01] <Baconizer>	1.14, F11 version
[10:28:10] <Baconizer>	(45.fc11)
[10:28:13] <OverlordQ>	F11 version?
[10:28:18] <Baconizer>	Fedora
[10:28:21] <OverlordQ>	oh
[10:28:28] <OverlordQ>	well it's a distro package try the distro channel
[10:28:32] <Baconizer>	I did
[10:28:37] <Baconizer>	That's where I installed it from
[10:29:19] <Splarka>	OverlordQ: !package seems appropriate. heh
[10:29:22] <OverlordQ>	yea
[10:29:46] <OverlordQ>	Baconizer: long story short, we can't be bothered to keep track of all the crazy shit distros do to the software when they package it
[10:30:32] <Baconizer>	I was having trouble with the vanilla package as well
[10:30:38] <Baconizer>	So I tried the distro package
[10:30:39] <OverlordQ>	with the same error?
[10:30:47] <Baconizer>	Yes :(
[10:31:08] <Baconizer>	ls
[10:31:15] <Baconizer>	Oh oops, wrong window :P
[10:31:24] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Cleanup [[Special:Disambiguations]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19188 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (happy-melon)
[10:31:51] <OverlordQ>	try running it from the root directory
[10:32:15] <OverlordQ>	$ php maintenance/importDump.php
[10:32:23] <Baconizer>	That's what I was doing
[10:32:38] <OverlordQ>	then try running it from the maintenance dir :P
[10:32:52] <Baconizer>	I did
[10:33:16] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Group "web browser" with "platform"/"OS" - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19189 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: Bugzilla; (happy-melon)
[10:34:53] <OverlordQ>	go into the maintenence dir
[10:35:07] <OverlordQ>	run eval.php, at the prompt type echo $IP
[10:35:23] <OverlordQ>	if that's different then your root, something is seriously fubar
[10:36:03] <Baconizer>	k
[10:36:28] <Baconizer>	Just a moment
[10:38:38] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51843 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesDe.php MessagesKsh.php MessagesNds.php): Localisation updates for core magic words from translatewiki.net
[10:41:12] <jumpingjack>	hey
[10:41:16] <jumpingjack>	guys)
[10:42:01] <jumpingjack>	does anyone have vpipplugin for mediawiki? :)
[10:43:15] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VPIPPlugin  ?
[10:44:06] <Baconizer>	OverlordQ: eval.php returns the same error
[10:44:09] <jumpingjack>	yep, there's 403 error for download it
[10:44:24] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbeddedVideo  ?
[10:44:44] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51844 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (MessagesBg.php MessagesZh_tw.php): Localisation updates for core special pages aliases from translatewiki.net
[10:44:49] <Baconizer>	OverlodQ: http://pastebin.com/d3531007
[10:44:50] <jumpingjack>	no, there's just "page not found"..
[10:46:16] <OverlordQ>	*shrug* sounds like package wonkyness again
[10:47:00] <jumpingjack>	Splarka: thanks, i'll try it now :P
[10:47:33] <Baconizer>	:<
[10:50:10] <Baconizer>	You don't know how to fix it at all, then?
[11:10:14] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51845 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.php Configure.settings-ext.txt): Added support for Widgets extension
[11:17:57] <Baconizer>	Thanks for helping anyway :)
[11:58:23] <SB_Johnny>	hello
[11:58:26] <SB_Johnny>	oops
[12:17:11] <CIA-79>	03shinjiman * r51846 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (4 files): Localisation updates Cantonese, Chinese and Literary Chinese
[12:46:02] <henna>	win 6
[13:06:56] <CIA-79>	03purodha * r51847 10/trunk/extensions/UsabilityInitiative/EditToolbar/EditToolbar.i18n.php: (minor) unbalanced html tag removed, consistent use of full stop and/or space.
[13:22:39] <CIA-79>	03aaron * r51848 10/trunk/extensions/FlaggedRevs/FlaggedRevs.hooks.php: Try to clarify null rollback auto-sighted edits a tad (bug 19137)
[13:23:01] <wikibugs>	03(FIXED) "automatically sighted" shown for IP if IP reverted content while sighter was rolling back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19137  +comment (10JSchulz_4587)
[13:27:26] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) EditTool i18n messages with markup should be avoided - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19190 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: UsabilityInitiative; (bugzilla.wikimedia)
[13:45:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) noc.wikimedia.org portal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19191 enhancement; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (matthew.britton)
[13:50:00] <wikibugs>	03(mod) noc.wikimedia.org portal - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19191  +comment (10p858snake)
[14:27:34] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51849 10/trunk/extensions/Widgets/Widgets.i18n.php: Message tweaks
[14:37:41] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51850 10/trunk/phase3/languages/messages/ (13 files): Localisation updates for core messages from translatewiki.net (2009-06-14 14:35 UTC)
[14:40:48] <CIA-79>	03siebrand * r51851 10/trunk/extensions/ (34 files in 29 dirs): Localisation updates for extension messages from translatewiki.net (2009-06-14 14:35 UTC)
[15:57:19] <Majorly>	I really need to upgrade my wiki
[15:57:32] <Nikerabbit>	yes?
[15:58:09] <Majorly>	it's running on 1.13.3 :(
[15:58:22] <Majorly>	I really should subscribe to the mw list
[15:58:22] <svip>	Is DEFAULTSORT a new magic word?
[15:58:25] <svip>	Or is it oooold?
[15:58:33] <Nikerabbit>	quite old
[15:58:38] <svip>	'kay.
[15:58:49] <svip>	I just first saw its use today on two different wikis.
[16:01:30] <svip>	What is the biggest new thing in 1.15.x, Nikerabbit?
[16:29:51] *werdna 	waves
[16:30:52] <Annemarie>	Majorly: There's an announce list for MW.
[16:30:59] <Majorly>	i know
[16:31:02] <Annemarie>	:-)
[16:31:16] <Annemarie>	Better than mediawiki-l That's for sure.
[16:31:21] <Majorly>	ok so I updated the database - is it supposed to just be one file
[16:31:33] <Annemarie>	Eh?
[16:31:41] <Majorly>	one sql file
[16:31:55] <Annemarie>	It's one database...
[16:32:01] <Majorly>	so yeah
[16:32:04] <Annemarie>	How did you update the database? Re-running the installer? update.php?
[16:32:22] <Majorly>	I haven't updated, I meant I backed it up
[16:32:27] <Annemarie>	svip: There are release notes with highlights of new features.
[16:32:29] <Annemarie>	Oh, ah.
[16:32:41] <Annemarie>	mysqldump?
[16:32:48] <Annemarie>	That produces just one file.
[16:32:51] <Majorly>	I just exported from phpmyadmin
[16:33:04] <Annemarie>	That's roughly the same, I think. You should be good.
[16:33:10] <Majorly>	is there anything else that needs backing up
[16:33:32] <Annemarie>	Hmm. Make sure you don't overwrite your copy of LocalSettings.php, depending on how you're updating.
[16:33:43] <Annemarie>	If you're using SVN, you should be ready to go.
[16:33:59] <Majorly>	no I'll be rerunning the installer
[16:34:44] <Annemarie>	That's still fine. It will create the new LocalSettings.php in the config/ directory. Just delete the new file when it's finished.
[16:35:16] <Majorly>	anything else other than localsettings? there's a lot of stuff in the "file manager"
[16:35:31] <Annemarie>	!upgrade
[16:35:31] --mwbot--	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading
[16:35:37] <Majorly>	such as extensions
[16:36:20] <Annemarie>	Well, if you upload a new mediawiki/ folder, you'll have to move extensions/, images/ and the LocalSettings.php file.
[16:36:28] <Majorly>	ok
[16:38:51] <Majorly>	bah I don't know how to download them
[16:44:40] <Nikerabbit>	ugga
[16:45:20] <Majorly>	:(
[16:48:01] <Majorly>	anyone familar with net2ftp?
[16:50:09] <Majorly>	o lol
[16:50:23] <Majorly>	my webhost has a backup app
[18:09:47] <AzaToth>	Why does the API return a 200 page when using maxlag=0, when the docs says it WILL return a 503 page
[18:10:08] <AzaToth>	"If the specified lag is exceeded at the time of the request, a 503 status code is returned..."
[18:10:27] <flyingparchment>	perhaps the specified lag wasn't exceeded?
[18:11:15] <AzaToth>	flyingparchment: http://paste.debian.net/39084/
[18:23:07] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) UI does not make failure of review clear - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19192 normal; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (matthew.britton)
[18:33:54] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Add Zend Optimizer and remove Turck MMCache from object caching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19193 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Installation; (gothicx)
[18:39:28] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Allow batch edits for API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17623  (10matthew.britton)
[18:41:01] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Add Zend Optimizer and remove Turck MMCache from object caching - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19193  +comment (10skizzerz)
[18:46:35] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) The search function on Wikipedia won't select - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19194 minor; Normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (Utahraptorostrommaysorum)
[18:48:22] <CIA-79>	03btongminh * r51853 10/branches/NssMySQLAuth-rewrite/NssMySQLAuth/AccountManager/ (4 files): Initial commit of export function.
[18:54:12] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API: user IDs - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19195 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: API; (matthew.britton)
[18:55:56] <wikibugs>	14(WFM) The search function on Wikipedia won't select - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19194  +comment (10matthew.britton)
[18:56:35] *MuisjeRC2 	pays his respects to mediawiki programmers and team
[19:01:27] <werdna>	MuisjeRC2: we're not dead
[19:01:35] <Simetrical>	YET
[19:01:39] <MuisjeRC2>	indeed
[19:01:54] <MuisjeRC2>	werdna, what would you like as a rephrase?
[19:02:30] <werdna>	:O
[19:02:51] <werdna>	Simetrical: so I've been to WMDE's 5th birthday party
[19:03:45] <Simetrical>	Awesome: http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/13/2125211/Sniffing-Browser-History-Without-Javascript
[19:08:31] <CIA-79>	03ialex * r51854 10/trunk/extensions/Configure/ (CHANGELOG Configure.settings.php): Extensions are now case-insensitively sorted on Special:Extensions
[19:12:51] *MuisjeRC2 	thanks the entire staff of Mediawiki for ther genious products which you all have put so much love in and continue this every day. @ werdna, this any better?
[19:13:32] <siebrand>	MuisjeRC2: sure. Thanks.
[19:18:16] <werdna>	MuisjeRC2: I know what you mean, I'm just being silly ;)
[19:18:30] <werdna>	yvw
[19:19:22] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) API for reviewed and unreviewed pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19196 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki extensions: FlaggedRevs; (matthew.britton)
[19:21:52] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Drafts of protected pages - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17067  (10matthew.britton)
[19:30:37] <CIA-79>	03dale * r51855 10/branches/new-upload/phase3/js2/mwEmbed/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
[19:30:37] <CIA-79>	* sequence fixes
[19:30:37] <CIA-79>	* style updates
[19:30:37] <CIA-79>	* 'about sequencer' line added
[19:57:53] <Simetrical>	Rats, I should have realized there would be other consequences from the DatabaseBase thing.
[19:58:11] <Simetrical>	I had hoped to avoid problems with "new Database()" by naming it something else, but it seems like compatibility is broken somewhere regardless.
[20:09:30] <hesco>	can anyone please advise me how to edit the links in the menu on the sidebar?
[20:10:05] <Skizzerz>	!sidebar | hesco
[20:10:05] --mwbot--	hesco: To edit the navigation menu on the left, edit [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] using its special syntax. For more details, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar>.
[20:10:29] <hesco>	thanks Skizzerz
[20:10:36] <Skizzerz>	np
[20:13:31] <CIA-79>	03simetrical * r51856 10/trunk/phase3/includes/db/Database.php: 
[20:13:32] <CIA-79>	Use parentheses for bit* to be on the safe side
[20:13:32] <CIA-79>	Follow-up to r51815.
[20:19:50] <zrh>	Hi … is there an easy way to change $wgHashedUploadDirectory from false to true without breaking the already uploaded images?
[20:22:21] <zrh>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgHashedUploadDirectory says, no, however, who knows … ;)
[20:27:36] <Skizzerz>	zrh: no
[20:28:32] <Skizzerz>	there are scripts that will let you convert your images from non-hashed to hashed, but those still involve having your images broken for a minute or so :)
[20:29:57] <Majorly>	I'm trying to hide tabs at the top of pages. #ca-talk { display:none!important; } doesn't seem to work. any ideas?
[20:30:25] <Majorly>	nvm
[20:36:13] <roberthl>	werdna: about?
[20:37:18] <werdna>	roberthl: ?
[20:37:23] <roberthl>	pm?
[20:37:32] <werdna>	if you like
[20:38:21] <zrh>	Skizzerz: Well, the result counts, a few minutes (or even hours of broken images) doesn't matter in my case.
[20:38:43] <roberthl>	werdna: r49790 causes some issues in Fx3
[20:38:48] <werdna>	what issues?
[20:39:03] <roberthl>	See http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Rtm%2Ftranslators&namespace=100&uselang=en causes the label to wrap early.
[20:39:06] <Skizzerz>	well, then you'll need to find a script that can move the images to appropriate sub-directories for you (there should be one or two out there...)
[20:40:03] <werdna>	roberthl: can you give me all the information in one go instead of making me ask you every question?
[20:40:06] <werdna>	i.e.
[20:40:16] <werdna>	How do you know it's that revision?
[20:40:24] <werdna>	Do you know what the problem is?
[20:40:27] <werdna>	Do you have a suggested fix?
[20:43:21] <roberthl>	If I remove the "width:20%;" statement on line 77 of /skins/common/shared.css then the line wraps correctly, therefore I assume it is that attribute that is causing the issue. Suggested fix is to remove the statement, I don't know why it was added in the first place so can't suggest anything better.
[20:44:23] <werdna>	I'd rather increase it
[20:44:28] <werdna>	to 30% or so
[20:44:52] <roberthl>	Well sure, as I say I don't know why you added it in the first place.
[20:46:41] <werdna>	because if you have a really long label then it looks terrible
[20:46:56] <werdna>	and if you have no width set, then different tables have different widths based on their contents
[20:46:59] <werdna>	which looks even worse
[20:47:05] <roberthl>	Ah, right.
[20:59:04] <Majorly>	how to remove the "privacy policy" and "page views" from the bottom of pages?
[20:59:53] <LauraHale>	Privacy policy is a skin modification I think.
[21:01:10] <Majorly>	got it
[21:12:20] <Danwe>	hi
[21:13:14] <Danwe>	is there a plugin which enables to add some template calls on the end of a page?
[21:13:34] <Danwe>	but not for all pages, only for pages where a special template is used
[21:14:15] <Danwe>	the best solution would be a function who enables to add something to the page end.
[21:29:52] <AzaToth>	where is roan when you want him
[21:30:08] <werdna>	AzaToth: it's 11:30pm Roan Time
[21:30:44] <AzaToth>	werdna: 1: since when did time matter? 2: pm?
[21:30:56] <AzaToth>	is that 11:30 or 23:30?
[21:31:26] <werdna>	pm
[21:31:45] <AzaToth>	ok...
[21:31:51] <AzaToth>	pm is pm...
[21:31:57] <AzaToth>	no shit sherlock ツ
[21:32:03] <werdna>	he's dutch afaik
[21:32:07] <werdna>	23:30
[21:32:11] <werdna>	sorry
[21:32:21] <AzaToth>	just don't remember if pm was am on 11:xx
[21:32:26] <AzaToth>	no prob
[21:33:01] <wikibugs>	04(REOPENED) The search function on Wikipedia won't select - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19194  +comment (10rainman)
[22:16:04] <Majorly>	is there a good way to keep disk space to a minimum?
[22:20:48] <stwalkerster>	Majorly: fill all space with random crap, then there is minumum disk space :P
[22:21:00] <Majorly>	I mean
[22:21:03] <stwalkerster>	:D
[22:21:10] <Majorly>	how do I keep its use to a minimum
[22:22:44] <znx>	i was wondering if there was a way to have the "what links here" detail available on the page itself?
[22:23:50] <Simetrical>	You could try {{Special:WhatLinksHere/{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}.
[22:24:01] <znx>	Ooo .. 
[22:24:04] <znx>	thats a plan
[22:24:14] *znx 	experiments
[22:26:31] <Splarka>	Simetrical: only a handful of special pages transclude (though some consistency or even documentation would be nice as to which)
[22:26:56] <Simetrical>	Yeah, I was hoping WLH would.
[22:27:07] <Simetrical>	But you're right, I think it's like only five that do.
[22:28:55] <znx>	yeah .. maybe it would help to explain what i was intending .. 
[22:29:23] <Splarka>	hmm, at least 6: recentchanges, newfiles, newpages, allpages, prefixindex, wantedpages
[22:29:37] <znx>	i have a simple site with my dvd collection on it .. i want to basically create the Actor pages from What Links Here
[22:29:41] <Splarka>	though all in totally different and inconsistent ways, based on the needs of whoever asked first
[22:32:40] <znx>	im guessing ill need to make something to rip through my site and automate the page creation
[22:35:01] <wikibugs>	03(NEW) Capital letters are always sorted first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19197 enhancement; Normal; MediaWiki: Categories; (Drilnoth)
[22:37:08] <Majorly>	assuming my wiki is not hosted by me, how would i set the times to be local?
[22:38:33] <Splarka>	$wgLocaltimezone ?
[22:39:10] <znx>	http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Embed_page#Embedded_Special_Pages  this is suggesting that i might be able to tinker to get wlh included ..
[22:41:32] <Splarka>	sure, just hack up the source, or create a tag/pf extension
[22:46:17] <znx>	hrmm not ideal .. as really all i wish is the list but far better than i was
[22:46:30] <znx>	thanks Simetrical / Splarka 
[22:57:47] <dergringo>	hi. is it possible to restrict editing on user pages to the user itself?
[22:58:30] <Simetrical>	dergringo, I don't think so, without an extension.
[23:00:25] <Majorly>	Splarka: will that affect the "last modified" time?
[23:00:33] <dergringo>	Ok. Thanks Simetrical 
[23:01:08] <Splarka>	Majorly: dunno
[23:01:41] <Majorly>	:(
[23:03:27] <Majorly>	it does :)
[23:05:09] <Splarka>	mostly I know it changes signatures
[23:05:51] <mutante>	maybe you can tell Apache to use htaccess only on User:Bla
[23:06:27] <Splarka>	dergringo: there is a hack-around
[23:06:51] <dergringo>	Splarka, sounds good :)
[23:07:17] <Splarka>	protect the user page, like User:Blah?action=protect to sysop only, then change the content to: {{ {{FULLPAGENAME}}/user.css }}
[23:08:03] <Splarka>	this will create the page with transcluded content from a page ending in .css, which is auto-protected to just be edited by a logged in user matching the base page name (same for .js)
[23:08:46] <dergringo>	hmm this is a little bit "hacky" :) Thanks I'll try that out.
[23:08:56] <Splarka>	the bad part: even though the user page will show content normally (not wrapped in <pre> or <source>), but the subpage will show it in <pre> or <source> as if it were css
[23:09:38] <Splarka>	there are some extensions you might wanna look at: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditOnlyYourOwnPage  http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KeepYourHandsToYourself  
[23:10:06] <mutante>	hmm, would it be hard to find the code part that does this to all pages ending in .css and change it to also apply normal User pages?
[23:10:25] <Splarka>	no it wouldn't
[23:10:28] <Splarka>	but don't do it
[23:10:54] <Splarka>	or you'll have to manually merge the changes every time you upgrade, or come whining to us when it breaks!
[23:11:01] <dergringo>	I prefer the extensions. Thanks.
[23:11:03] <Splarka>	much better to do it in an extension (per above)
[23:11:12] <mutante>	i already merge too many changes each time :p
[23:11:13] <Annemarie>	Last modified time is based on whichever timezone you set in Special:Preferences.
[23:11:14] *Splarka 	grins at mutante
[23:11:30] <Annemarie>	I don't think it listens to anything else.
[23:12:07] <Splarka>	Annemarie: it wasn't clear if they meant the displayed time (or for anon/liu), or the actual db timestamp
[23:12:23] <mutante>	Splarka: what is the real solution to merge changes with latest SVN code..  setup local SVN and mark the files i have changed somehow?
[23:12:27] <CIA-79>	03werdna * r51857 10/trunk/tools/planet/en/config.ini: Add my blog
[23:12:36] <Annemarie>	I don't believe it's ever possible to change the timezone for the internals...
[23:12:38] <Annemarie>	zomg coi.
[23:12:42] <Splarka>	mutante: the real solution is to do it all in extension X_X
[23:13:02] <Splarka>	and never edit core files...
[23:13:18] <mutante>	arr,ok ;)
[23:13:28] <Splarka>	this still doesn't prevent forked skins from becoming outdated (mw needs a real comprehensive plug-n-play forward-friendly skin solution, meh)
[23:13:39] <werdna>	omg abuse
[23:13:52] <mutante>	i did the typical mistake, editing MonoBook directly ages ago
[23:14:16] <Splarka>	I've seen like 10 users come in and ask why MediaWiki:Common.css isn't enabled, and after a half hour of tinkering and toying, the helper finally gets them to admit: 1) they upgraded recently, 2) they have a custom skin
[23:15:08] <werdna>	Thoughts before I actually post it? http://blog.werdn.us/?p=10
[23:15:09] <Splarka>	werdna: tech/mw related blog?
[23:15:19] <werdna>	yeah
[23:15:39] <Splarka>	heh
[23:16:14] <Splarka>	well, per that specific URL, it has as much useful content as a typical wiki
[23:16:34] <Splarka>	maybe you meant p=0
[23:17:52] <mutante>	hmm, Wordpad for a Mediawiki blog.. you could blog on Mediawiki itself?
[23:18:49] <Splarka>	or make a mediawiki skin for wp, heh
[23:20:29] <dergringo>	When do you use namespaces?
[23:21:19] <mutante>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:My_blog 
[23:22:10] <mutante>	http://www.sultanik.com/MediaWiki_as_a_blog
[23:31:06] <Splarka>	dergringo: you use them all the time, possibly without knowing... page types are sorted into namespaces, the namespace derived from the title prefix.. [[Foo]] is in the main namespace (NS_MAIN 0) which is a null prefix, [[Talk:Foo]] is in the 'Talk' Namespace and is assicated with [[Foo]], [[User:Foo]] and [[User talk:Foo]] are another pair in user/user_talk
[23:31:54] <dergringo>	Yes I know. But ehen does it make sense to create my own namespaces? When are they useful? Any example situation?
[23:32:00] <dergringo>	*when
[23:32:28] <Splarka>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces
[23:32:35] <wikibugs>	03(mod) Capital letters are always sorted first - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19197  +comment (10mrzmanwiki)
[23:33:12] <Splarka>	uses include: keeping pages out of 'good article' count (though extra namespaces can be added to content namespaces), searching separately from other namespaces, listing pages separately from other namespaces in Allpages
[23:34:36] <dergringo>	Splarka, thanks. I'm looking for a solution to provide content translation. Maybe a Namespace for each language is proper solution?
[23:35:20] <Splarka>	generally people set up separate wikis for each language
[23:35:30] <Splarka>	in cases where this isn't feasable, I think subpage syntax is the preferred method
[23:35:56] <Splarka>	dunno, you should ask Commons what they do, or ask about Nikerabbit's translate extension
[23:36:02] <dergringo>	/en //fr and stuff?
[23:36:41] <dergringo>	I've seen that there is a languages box in the left panel (monobook) and I wonder how to make use of it
[23:38:32] <Splarka>	that is for separate wikis for each language
[23:38:51] <Splarka>	you define an interlang link for each wiki, and manually point each page for which a translation exists to said wiki
[23:39:16] <Splarka>	well, you can do a trick with that, have the interlang links all loop back to the same wiki, and then you /can/ use namespaces for each content
[23:39:31] <Splarka>	(but there is probably a reason it isn't done very often, not sure why)
[23:39:44] <dergringo>	That sounds fantastic!
[23:40:03] <Splarka>	!langlinks
[23:40:03] --mwbot--	Language links are links to translations of the same article on another wiki. For information on how to set up language links, see <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interwiki#Interwiki_links_to_other_languages>
[23:40:11] <dergringo>	Any further information or a link?
[23:40:13] <dergringo>	Great!
[23:40:18] <Splarka>	so, you do like that, but you have all links point to the same wiki
[23:41:13] <dergringo>	That should not be a problem with the default installation or am I wrong?
[23:41:27] <Splarka>	should work in theory
[23:42:21] <Splarka>	note to have them work with 'in other languages' they must be valid language codes from languages/Names.php (or defined as custom languages)
[23:42:55] <Splarka>	so you might define 'fr' as 'http://your.wiki/index.php?title=$1' and 'sv' as 'http://your.wiki/index.php?title=$1' and 'de' as 'http://your.wiki/index.php?title=$1'
[23:43:24] <dergringo>	Yes I see. Thank you
[23:44:35] <Splarka>	and then on [[Help]] add the text: [[fr:Aide]] [[de:Hilfe]] [[sv:Bork Bork!]]
[23:45:01] <Splarka>	or, if you want them in segregated namespaces: [[fr:Francais:Aide]] [[de:Deutch:Hilfe]] [[sv:Svensk:Bork Bork!]]
[23:45:24] <Splarka>	or you can even use the namespaces in defining the iw_url: 'fr' as 'http://your.wiki/index.php?title=Francais:$1'  etc
[23:45:52] <Splarka>	note you can't use Fr: there as a namespace as that matches an interwiki prefix, and would conflict