[00:01:35] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:04:24] 03(mod) Add search suggestions on project www portals (with opensearch api) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15758 summary; +comment (10Krinkle) [00:05:37] 14(INVALID) Add search suggestions on project www portals (with opensearch api) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15758 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:06:49] 03(mod) SimpleSearch ignores user/site default search namespace settings - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24214 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:09:44] 03(WONTFIX) Suggestion to set "$wgEnableMWSuggest = true;" inside the extension - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36202 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:09:58] 03(mod) Remove mediawiki.legacy.mwsuggest from core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40448 +comment (10Krinkle) [00:14:38] New review: Krinkle; "There is nothing wrong with using headings in the sidebar. The problem is that they were not nested..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24674 [00:22:13] New review: Daniel Friesen; "Not to mention this will break site styles because of the extra weight that #mw-head gives the defau..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24674 [00:44:30] New review: Tim Landscheidt; "* I will elaborate the documentation in includes/DefaultSettings.php." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24211 [00:46:40] 04(REOPENED) Add search suggestions on project www portals (with opensearch api) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15758 +comment (10MZMcBride) [00:51:32] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Phillip Patriakeas) [00:55:59] New patchset: Krinkle; "Convert weird core-hack into proper extension" [mediawiki/extensions/skins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24677 [01:02:00] New patchset: Krinkle; "Tomas skin: Fix various issues" [mediawiki/extensions/skins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24678 [01:06:42] http://www.montulli.org/theoriginofthe%3Cblink%3Etag [01:13:45] New patchset: Krinkle; "Remove references to mwsuggest." [mediawiki/extensions/SphinxSearch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24679 [01:22:19] Brooke: interesting, google sites now has recent changes [01:22:20] http://www.montulli.org/system/app/pages/recentChanges [01:23:10] Brooke: Please explain what is there not invalid about bug 15758? I gave a reason, you didn't. [01:23:13] Huh. [01:23:20] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15758 [01:23:26] Krinkle: Your reason seemed to be an implementation detail. [01:23:32] No, not at all. [01:23:33] My reason was that the bug hadn't been resolved. [01:23:53] It is an invalid bug because it is not related to any software of which tickets are tracked in bugzilla [01:23:59] project portals are maintained on bugzilla [01:24:06] project portals are maintained on meta-wiki [01:24:18] :-) [01:24:28] its the same procedure for bugs like "Make Template:X do Y" [01:24:29] Project portals have an on-wiki compoenent. [01:24:34] component [01:24:40] It's not really the same procedure, no. [01:24:42] The only non-wiki component is a redirect to a wiki component. [01:24:57] (or a server -on server load, and cache, and then echo out) [01:25:05] We track issues with the portal pages on Bugzilla. [01:25:16] Only when they are related to server configuration, otherwise not. [01:25:17] There's an entire Wikimedia product. [01:25:30] Yeah, because theres's a lot of server-side stuff at Wikimedia [01:25:33] this isn't one of them. [01:25:36] I don't think you really can safely argue that it's out of Bugzilla's scope. [01:25:45] You think the only Wikimedia bugs are server-related? Heh. [01:25:53] This is and always has been tracked on pages like https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikipedia.org_template [01:26:04] Brooke: There may be exceptions, but not this one. [01:26:17] They're not really exceptoins. [01:26:19] exceptions [01:26:38] The landing pages have bugs that need to be tracked. [01:26:44] I'm not sure why you wouldn't use Bugzilla for this purpose. [01:26:52] not exceptions to rule or convention, no. They are exceptions to my statement "only server-side stuff" [01:27:44] Brooke: Its really quite simple. There are 1000s of gadgets. All of them have dedicated talk pages. This just another gadget from a technical point of view. [01:27:55] It wasn't always like that, it used to require shell access, but not anymore [01:28:09] Krinkle: Not everybody shares that view. [01:28:42] and maintenance has been in the communities hands ever since and they're doing quite well [01:28:43] Brooke: its not a view, its a fact. [01:28:50] If they want to track it on bugzilla, by all means, that's completely in-scope and possible. But its not the case right now [01:28:53] Krinkle: It's really not. [01:29:01] meaning, those that maintain it, don't use bugzilla to look for requests. [01:29:07] They use their watchlist. [01:29:18] We have a few current bugs about the www main pages not working well on mobile. [01:29:41] And let me quote... [01:30:02] > [01:30:03] , simply stating that 'it needs [01:30:03] to be solved by that wiki's admins' isn't the right line of thought, in my [01:30:04] opinion. Please consider that in the future there may not be admins that have [01:30:04] sufficient experience or knowledge of what could be causing an issue that it [01:30:06] could take them significantly longer to fix a problem than the developers who [01:30:08] are working on, or are likely to be more well versed with the relevant code. [01:30:11] > [01:30:24] > ... but the point is rather that bugs in Wikimedia > General can also be [01:30:24] filed for things which sysops (or unknown deities) technically have to fix. [01:30:47] And obviously Chad felt that it was worthy of a bug. [01:30:50] So, that means maybe we should move it back into a repository and let the community change it through gerrit requests on mediawiki-config's docroot/www......org/index.html [01:31:01] that's possible, but that isn't about bug tracking, that's about how these pages are managed. [01:31:04] I think it just means that it's a technical problem. [01:31:12] And that people filing bugs don't really care who has to fix it or how. [01:31:14] They just want the feature. [01:31:18] right now they are managed by the community on wiki pages and they use talk pages to track issues and requests. [01:31:34] And I think it's fairly reasonable to assume that it has a better chnace of getting looked at in Bugzilla than it does of getting looked at on a Meta-Wiki talk page. [01:31:37] In theory. [01:31:46] Brooke: That was years and years ago when it was maintained on the server probably (when Chad filed that bug) [01:31:50] http://www.montulli.org/system/app/pages/recentChanges is interesting. [01:31:59] Krinkle: The www portals have existed for a long time. [01:32:19] Brooke: not really, those portal pages are updated all the time. That talk page is definitely not lonely. [01:32:59] They're changed often, sure. [01:33:01] Mostly stats updates. [01:33:12] When they were made mobile responsive, it was tracked on Bugzilla. [01:33:30] Gadget talk pages... https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-wm-portal.js&action=edit&redlink=1 [01:33:40] New review: Aaron Schulz; "The limit is 4GiB now, and if it were to be configured, we'd want to use a paramer given to the File..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22038 [01:34:10] 03(mod) Add search suggestions on project www portals (with opensearch api) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15758 +easy (10MZMcBride) [01:35:19] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24673 [01:35:29] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Krinkle) [01:35:46] Brooke: I created that one very recently, and issues for it are tracked on the project talk page to keep it central. [01:36:36] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikipedia.org_template?action=info [01:36:38] Hmmm. [01:36:41] Better watched than I thought. [01:36:45] Admittedly. [01:38:41] right, we have info action back now. nice [01:38:55] Krinkle: I think if you proposed using a talk page as a bug tracker, in a vacuum, it'd be a pretty silly suggestion. [01:39:00] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Project_portals?action=info [01:39:23] I guess you could close the bug as later and start a thread on the talk page. [01:39:26] The issue shouldn't simply die. [01:39:32] But I guess it can be redirected. [01:39:33] Brooke: Yup, it totally is. But like I said before, I'm not opposing it, I'm merely trying to maintain some consistency. [01:39:46] Bugzilla has no consistency. ;-) [01:41:02] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Project_portals#Add_search_suggestions_to_wiki-project_portals [01:41:04] 14(INVALID) Add search suggestions on project www portals (with opensearch api) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15758 +comment (10Krinkle) [01:41:13] btw, it is not easy [01:41:22] especially considering www. is a different domain [01:41:28] and there is no jQuery available (yet) [01:41:58] Why would it be difficult to add jQuery? [01:42:09] It would require properly initializing ResourceLoader [01:42:12] And why does its domain matter? [01:42:20] To load jQuery? [01:42:21] Well www. is context less [01:42:31] The search input isn't. [01:42:33] which api.php to connect to [01:42:36] of which wiki [01:42:37] etc. [01:42:41] that can change based on selection dropdown [01:42:46] Right... [01:42:50] I'm not seeing the difficult part. [01:42:59] You have to read a dropdown menu? [01:43:02] no [01:43:16] well yes, of course, but I mean that's not the difficult part [01:43:38] I don't see any difficult part. It should be fairly trivial to steal the code from the existing suggestions interface, shouldn't it? [01:43:48] and to use ResourceLoader, it has to be in a wiki's context so we have to choose e.g. where it will load the startup module from (probably best to use meta.wikimedia.org so that the gadget can be loaded from the same wiki) [01:43:56] And just change which wiki it hooks up to based on a map between language selection and wiki subdomain. [01:44:07] no, that's insane [01:44:21] Unless you mean the target of the ajax request [01:44:25] I do. [01:44:32] The ResourceLoader part is optional. [01:44:35] yeah, then obvious. [01:44:40] jQuery doesn't require any ResourceLoader... [01:44:51] You could just use a version of jQuery from a MedaiWiki page. [01:44:58] MediaWiki [01:45:02] No, not really [01:45:03] Change merged: Aaron Schulz; [mediawiki/extensions/OggHandler] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23635 [01:45:28] the only way to do it without resoruceloader is to load it by path name [01:45:38] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Phillip Patriakeas) [01:45:39] which is a bad practice as it could change [01:46:09] The entire Web is built of path names. [01:46:11] although 'resources/jquery/jquery.js' is unlikely to change (I'd say even hardcoding that is bad, we have symbolic names for a reason) [01:46:14] I don't get what the issue is. [01:46:20] the full path will change [01:46:22] every 2 weeks [01:46:27] because we version mediawiki [01:46:31] What full path? To a MediaWiki page? [01:46:40] What mediawiki page are you talking about? [01:46:45] You do know how the portals work right? [01:46:49] Yes. [01:46:50] we don't parse a wiki page, its raw html [01:46:53] Right. [01:47:01] Adding jQuery to raw HTMl is tirivial. [01:47:04] trivial [01:47:07] so there is no jquery unless you load it from somewhere [01:47:08] I can't type. [01:47:20] Right. That's a single HTML element. [01:47:26] Yes [01:47:29] I'm not sure where it becomes difficult. The RL part is optional. [01:47:32] but that somewhere is either a hardcoded path to jquery that changes every 2 weeks, or we init resource loader [01:47:34] And can be done at any time in the future. [01:47:39] What? [01:47:43] so it is not optional, because changing it every 2 weeks is not optional. [01:48:41] and to answer the potential question "does that mean we invalidate module cache every 2 weeks?" answer "No, we don't because we don't hardcode paths" [01:48:43] So yes, RL is not optional if you rule insane options out. [01:48:51] but that's OK, its not hard to implement. [01:49:16] [01:49:28] Err, except you'd spell jQuery correctly. [01:50:09] well, that's possible but that means we should minify it manually, update it correctly so that it is compatible with whatever other module you load, which will then fail to load because of missing dependencies. And of course action=raw has a known cache issue. [01:50:27] which means if you change it, you have to wait 30 days before updating the search suggest code. [01:50:46] remember that big disclaimer on most major wikis' Common.js ^ [01:51:01] Yes. [01:51:16] RL uses version timestamps etc. [01:52:16] It may actually be better to load RL from en.wikipedia.org's load.php at bits.wikimedia.org [01:52:22] Right, but RL is orthogonal to using jQuery. [01:52:23] that would improve cache [01:52:29] sure [01:52:44] Which is why implementing this specific bug didn't seem very difficult to me. [01:52:49] Getting jQuery to load is trivial. [01:53:00] The larger issue of using RL on www portals is a separate issue. [01:53:14] Sure, jQuery can be loaded without RL. I never denied that. I'm saying any acceptable/reasonable implementation in our case would involve RL, which is totally fine and not a problem in any way. [01:53:21] that's not an issue at all. [01:53:35] Can it be done right now? [01:53:40] At Meta-Wiki? [01:53:46] Sure [01:53:49] Okay. [01:53:57] Raw HTML dude :P [01:54:04] Then it still seems like an easy bug to me. [01:54:43] It may make sense to move the www portals out of wiki pages. [01:54:53] It requires only a few edits, but to know what those edits should be, I don't think the average gadget developer / meta sysop would know. [01:54:53] Depends how great the Git future is, I guess. [01:55:46] Brooke: btw, do you have merge rights to any repo? I was thinking maybe I could assign something to you. [01:56:02] I doubt it. [01:56:06] I don't have a Gerrit account. [01:56:09] right [01:57:23] it can also get nasty with the way we do deployment btw [01:57:32] en.wikipedia runs a different version than other *.wikipedia [01:58:22] Because of how wmf branches are deploeyd? [01:58:25] deployed [01:58:41] yeah [01:58:45] Right. [01:58:55] Though I'm not sure it would really matter much in practice. [01:59:11] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20/Roadmap [01:59:24] 24 sept 1.20w12 goes live on en.wikipedia [01:59:31] 26 sept on the other pedias [01:59:54] which means if there were some kind of regression or changing feature that needs an update, if we update the portal page js, it would break in others or the other way around [01:59:56] Right. [02:00:07] Right to the dates. [02:00:26] I see the theoretical problem. [02:00:33] I'm saying that I'm not sure it's a problem in reality. [02:00:40] but if all else fails, we always have switch() statements :D [02:00:51] jQuery and the API should both be stable enough. [02:00:54] yeah [02:01:09] ahum, not saying we didn't have a problem in the last month or so [02:01:18] only 2 major regressions in the last 2 weeks :P [02:01:24] 03(mod) Request creation of wikimedia-us-co mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40440 +comment (10Isarra) [02:01:28] global uncaught exception on watch star [02:01:35] and last-minute revert or jQuery update [02:01:37] From 1.8.1, right? [02:01:40] yeah [02:01:43] 1.8 in general [02:01:47] but that's fixed now [02:01:58] I'm of a mixed mind about how fast jQuery is updated on Wikimedia wikis. [02:02:21] And at some point it seems like it'll hit a wall with IE support or something. [02:02:31] Im partly to blame for that, though Reedy is the one submitting the patches [02:02:46] Having you around has certainly moved the issue forward, sure. [02:02:51] Brooke: jQuery 1.9 is LTS, and 2.0 will then break support for IE6-8 [02:03:06] Oh, I meant to finish that previous sentence differently [02:03:11] So presumably at some point Wikimedia wikis will get stuck in 1.9.x for a long time. [02:03:17] I mean, I do continous integration now for the jQuery Foundation [02:03:31] so I'm pretty confident in its stability (personally that is) [02:04:19] and as such, merge Reedy's commits pretty rapidly after some quick smoke testing and running our own test suite. [02:04:57] And maybe, just maybe, by the time jQuery 2.0 comes around we'll be able to drop a few old IEs from the radar as well [02:04:59] Right. But JavaScripti s most often maitained by local admins. [02:05:06] Who may or may not be paying attention. [02:05:29] And are used by users who probably don't know how or where to report issues. [02:05:32] which, when we do, means in those browsers javascript will be disabled as far as mediawiki is concerned, so nothing is loaded (except for the startup module, which then returns early) [02:05:35] That's the concern with jQuery changes. [02:05:46] Or one of them. [02:06:37] The lack of global gadgets and widespread script fragmentation doesn't alleviate my concerns. [02:06:44] that's right, I've witnessed that a lot regarding site scripts. Which is why the Tour from last year still isn't even close to completed. [02:07:05] https://toolserver.org/~krinkle/SiteMatrixChecklist/?list=2011-resource-walker [02:07:11] 2.05% of open wikis done [02:07:13] Right. But when Wikimedia deploys 1.8.1 or 1.8.2 or whatever, who knows how much actually breaks. [02:07:16] Outside of en.wiki. [02:07:24] No, that shouldn't be a problem. [02:07:31] Shouldn't be or isn't? [02:07:34] jQuery is pretty stable, and has a very slow deprecation path. [02:08:00] I don't think between now and when we first introduced jQuery, any feature has been removed or changed without backwards compatibility [02:08:42] I mean $.browser was deprecated in jQuery 1.3 [02:08:43] still there [02:09:02] And when things do change, we can only hope that by then the alert of deprecation from 2 years ago has reached everybody (that should not be too much to ask, is it?). [02:09:21] Of course 2 years is in sane and pointless. People likely hear it in matte of weeks, or never at all. [02:09:35] Right. [02:09:38] But its still a difficult matter, but at the same time a very easy matter. [02:09:57] We simply can't maintain compatibility for ever, so deprecation is natural and is required to move on. [02:10:07] Things will break if not fixed in reasonable time, that's how it goes. [02:11:22] Fair enough. [02:11:30] What happened with RL2? [02:11:31] I feel pretty good about how we're doing nowadays with reaching the tech-wikimedians. [02:11:32] From the Tour I've learned so far that wikis either have people that care and those people are well informed and know where to get the latest announcements (e.g. the ideal scenario) [02:11:36] (And global gadgets?) [02:11:44] Or they have nobody at all and the scripts were copied from en.wikipedia in 2006. [02:11:56] Hehh. [02:12:05] &dontcountme=s [02:12:09] Exactly [02:12:14] document.write() [02:12:28] User scripts are so much worse than site scripts. [02:12:33] Gdagets ftw, I guess. [02:12:42] Gadgets, even. Fuck QWERTY. [02:13:02] And in those cases I remove broken scripts without question (they haven't been working for years anyway, nobody will miss them) - or rather, some never worked at all, like wgPageName=='Special:Watchlist' on a non-English wiki, good luck with that. [02:13:17] Heh. [02:13:39] I remember some pretty typical edit summaries from those paste-edits [02:13:54] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Version_2_Design_Specification [02:13:59] like "make table collapse work" [02:14:17] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/V2_Task_management [02:14:21] but in reality dumping everything they could find on Wikipedia, because that means it'll include it [02:14:29] Right. [02:14:49] Brooke: RL2 is getting a long, its a lot of small loose ends now. The bulk of it is done and looking pretty stable. [02:15:15] Nice. [02:16:10] 03(mod) Set default for $wgVectorUseSimpleSearch to true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29374 +comment (10Krinkle) [02:18:18] New patchset: Krinkle; "Remove references to mediawiki.legacy.mwsuggest." [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24680 [02:21:20] New review: Krinkle; "To be removed in core in Icd721011b40bb8d2c20aefa8b359a3e45413a07f." [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24680 [02:27:05] New patchset: Krinkle; "Remove references to mediawiki.legacy.mwsuggest." [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24680 [02:27:17] New review: Alex Monk; "Does that make the bug WONTFIX? Or should some other change be made?" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22038 [02:33:35] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 40448) Remove mediawiki.legacy.mwsuggest module." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24681 [02:33:52] !g I1d5bf81a8a0266c51c99d41eefacc0f4b3ae4b76 [02:33:52] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,I1d5bf81a8a0266c51c99d41eefacc0f4b3ae4b76,n,z [02:35:09] 03(mod) Remove mediawiki.legacy.mwsuggest from core - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40448 +comment (10Krinkle) [02:39:09] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 29374) Enabled $wgVectorUseSimpleSearch by default." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24682 [02:39:49] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 29374) Remove comment about wgVectorUseSimpleSearch." [mediawiki/extensions/Vector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24683 [02:41:18] 03(mod) Set default for $wgVectorUseSimpleSearch to true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29374 +comment (10Krinkle) [02:42:27] 03(ASSIGNED) Set default for $wgVectorUseSimpleSearch to true - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29374 +comment (10Krinkle) [02:45:23] New review: Krinkle; "Fix breakage, no functional changes. Extension doesn't have an owner yet." [mediawiki/extensions/skins] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24677 [02:45:23] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/skins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24677 [02:45:48] New review: Krinkle; "Fix breakage, no functional changes. Extension doesn't have an owner yet." [mediawiki/extensions/skins] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24678 [02:45:48] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/skins] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24678 [02:46:08] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/SphinxSearch] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24679 [02:54:25] New review: Krinkle; "Looking good, a few issues with redundant code in the stylesheet making the output almost 4x bigger ..." [mediawiki/extensions/OnlineStatusBar] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22180 [03:01:34] holymoly, w3c has a wiki now? [03:01:34] http://www.w3.org/wiki/CSS/Properties/background-position [03:01:40] I've never seen that [03:02:44] 03(mod) can just type capital letters in username field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40086 (10Daniel Zahn) [03:03:33] 03(mod) can just type capital letters in username field - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40086 +comment (10Daniel Zahn) [03:09:12] 03(NEW) Call to undefined method LocalFile::getLocalRefPath() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40449 major; MediaWiki extensions: PdfHandler; (trevor) [03:23:53] as someone who's just learned OOP, what's with the above ^ ? [03:34:41] Jasper_Deng: a bug comlplaining about a call to undefined static method of class LocalFile? [03:35:09] vvv: but shouldn't the developers of the extension have known better? [03:35:19] You should ask them [03:35:21] Or someone else [03:55:28] New patchset: Krinkle; "(bug 37132) Refactor status bar user interface" [mediawiki/extensions/OnlineStatusBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22180 [04:01:11] New review: Krinkle; "* Removed unused messages" [mediawiki/extensions/OnlineStatusBar] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22180 [04:11:07] Change abandoned: Nischayn22; "trying to merge on a separate branch" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23942 [04:14:50] New patchset: Nischayn22; "New form input type Polygons" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24685 [04:19:36] New review: Nischayn22; "No merge permissions yet." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24685 [04:23:56] New patchset: Siebrand; "Replace two remaining wfMsg() calls." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24686 [04:33:37] New patchset: Amire80; "Testing multiple and non-ASCII messages in a JSON file" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24687 [05:01:09] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24687 [05:15:47] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Base class and hooks for Polgyons" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24688 [05:22:43] Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24657 [05:37:46] New patchset: Siebrand; "Update jquery.autogrow.js." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24689 [05:37:46] New patchset: Siebrand; "More maintenance for LiquidThreads." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24690 [05:39:09] New patchset: Siebrand; "Update documentation." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24692 [05:41:32] hi [05:43:19] New patchset: Siebrand; "Some maintenance for SemanticResultFormats." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24693 [05:43:32] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Base class and hooks for Polgyons" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24688 [05:44:32] New patchset: Siebrand; "Replace a few deprecated functions." [mediawiki/extensions/Survey] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24694 [05:44:39] what is the path for thumbnails of files uploaded within the wiki? [05:45:21] Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24692 [05:45:32] umm, restart [05:47:46] New patchset: Siebrand; "Replace two remaining wfMsg() calls." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24686 [06:17:52] 03(NEW) Add namespace name "Category" to categories listed at [[Special:UnusedCategories]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40450 normal; MediaWiki: Special pages; (menoush25) [06:51:27] 03(ASSIGNED) Add namespace name "Category" to categories listed at [[Special:UnusedCategories]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40450 +comment (10Dereckson) [06:57:29] Sunday morning reading: http://git-scm.com/2011/07/11/reset.html "Reset Demystified" [07:03:54] New review: Aaron Schulz; "This may not even need queue usage or live generation if a wrapper script ran the generation script ..." [mediawiki/extensions/ConfirmEdit] (master); V: 1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23934 [07:05:34] 03(NEW) "Transaction already in progress" error in sqlite - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40451 normal; MediaWiki: Database; (mediawiki-bugs) [07:34:13] Good morning channel. Ive got a quickly question to ask. I think the answer will be "no", but Im gonna check anyway.... Is it possible to link/clone/duplicate sections from one page to another? e.g. page A has lots of information regarding "bread", is it possible for the "food" page to automatily display certain content from the bread page? [07:35:09] So the user would only have to edit either "food" or "bread" and the other page will auto update? [07:35:10] New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 40450) New setting: $wgPrependCategoryInCategoriesSpecialPages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24695 [07:35:17] Yes, it's possible two ways. [07:35:31] hello Dereckson. How would it be done? Sorry Im new to media-wiki [07:35:56] 1. The easy way. Moving the information to a template (e.g. [[Template:Bread]]) and include it on the two pages with the syntax {{Bread}} [07:36:42] Ah! I see. [07:36:43] 2. The hard way. Use Semantic wiki and query capabilities. I would stick with templates for the use you're offering. [07:37:27] Semantic wiki != mediawiki? [07:37:29] Templates are very easy way to store information and print them in any pages we want. On Wikimedia Commons for example, they are used to print the licenses. [07:38:01] This is a collection of MediaWiki extensions to give semantic capabilities to a wiki. [07:38:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki [07:38:15] Just found it ;) [07:38:21] Okay! [07:38:25] thanks Dereckson. =) [07:38:30] You have been a great help [07:38:30] In the features, you can declare section of your pages as properties, and create a query getting a property and printing it somewhere. [07:38:34] You're welcome. [07:38:45] O! Thats nice! [07:38:54] Ill start off with template and see whats what. [07:39:07] I kinda like to try and know "both sides", then pick one. [07:39:25] Cheers once again Dereckson [07:39:34] Good luck in your configuration. [07:39:44] Thanks =) [07:40:01] Im doing it all locally (for now), so it doesn't matter how 'wrong' I get i ;) [07:40:02] it* [07:40:07] 03(mod) Add namespace name "Category" to categories listed at [[Special:UnusedCategories]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40450 +comment (10Dereckson) [07:40:10] By the way, I've too a question for people familiar with MediaWiki settings. I'm introducing a new one in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24695 and I would like to know where I should set it as false by default. [07:41:50] New review: Dereckson; "Style issue." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24695 [07:42:45] New patchset: Amire80; "Internationalize ULS" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24663 [07:43:10] New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 40450) New setting: $wgPrependCategoryInCategoriesSpecialPages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24695 [07:43:57] New review: Dereckson; "Style issue fixed." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24695 [07:59:00] New patchset: Amire80; "Add basic support for dir and lang attributes for autonyms" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24696 [08:01:56] hi [08:07:26] New review: Daniel Kinzler; "@Aaron: Yes, warnings should be logged. But your patch assumes that breaking transactions that do no..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24655 [08:07:37] New review: IAlex; "The pass-by-reference remains from the PHP4 times where you had to do this to avoid copies. I think ..." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24658 [08:09:17] Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24648 [08:10:23] I've my answer, includes/DefaultSettings.php [08:11:50] New review: Dereckson; "Default value to initialize." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24695 [08:14:40] New patchset: Dereckson; "(bug 40450) New setting: $wgPrependCategoryInCategoriesSpecialPages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24695 [08:16:33] New review: Dereckson; "Setting default value added to includes/DefaultSettings.php." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24695 [08:20:45] 03(NEW) Logo still not updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40452 critical; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (hemantbugzilla) [08:21:15] 03(mod) Logo still not updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40452 (10hemantbugzilla) [08:21:37] New patchset: IAlex; "Follow-up Ifd700826 (60d119c), address a fixme in a re-enabled test." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24697 [08:30:12] 14(DUP) Logo still not updated - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40452 +comment (10Dereckson) [08:30:12] 03(mod) Corrected logo for Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40222 +comment (10Dereckson) [08:31:51] 04(REOPENED) Corrected logo for Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40222 +comment (10Dereckson) [08:32:10] 03(mod) Corrected logo for Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40222 04CRIT->major (10Dereckson) [08:32:56] 03(NEW) Wrong edit summary preview when adding a new discussion section - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40453 minor; MediaWiki: Page editing; (seb35wikipedia) [08:40:32] how to browse closed bugs? [08:42:07] New review: Matmarex; "@Daniel, yes, the CSS needs some work; I used #mw-head .vectorTabs, because otherwise #mw-head ul ha..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24674 [08:48:46] 03(FIXED) Request for FDC mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40280 +comment (10Philippe Beaudette) [08:54:22] New patchset: Matmarex; "(bug 37132) Refactor status bar user interface" [mediawiki/extensions/OnlineStatusBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22180 [08:55:11] New review: Matmarex; "Thanks." [mediawiki/extensions/OnlineStatusBar] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22180 [09:00:43] 03(NEW) Inconsistent commit dependencies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40454 normal; Wikimedia: Git/Gerrit; (matma.rex) [09:00:44] 03(mod) regression code in command-line updating : no prefix in the database table 'user' - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29038 04BLOCKER->04CRIT (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex]) [09:05:40] New review: Daniel Friesen; "@Matmarex" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24674 [09:08:40] 03(mod) Inconsistent commit dependencies - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40454 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [09:12:11] 03(FIXED) 'patrolmarks' should be included in the rights registry - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37966 +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex]) [09:16:58] 03(mod) PHP Notice: Undefined index: href in /www/w/skins/Vector.php on line 416 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38334 +testme; +comment (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex]) [09:18:36] 03(mod) PHP Notice: Undefined index: href in /www/w/skins/Vector.php on line 416 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38334 04BLOCKER->major (10Alexandre Emsenhuber [IAlex]) [09:41:50] 03(NEW) mobile site se.m.wikimedia.org does not work - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40455 normal; Wikimedia: Site configuration; (prolineserver) [09:52:53] 03(mod) AbuseFilter: blocking issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30324 +comment (10Marco Aurelio) [09:56:00] Hi, I'm not sure I'm in the right place, but... I could use some help? I'm a total newb at creating wikis and I can't find an answer to my question in the FAQ. [09:59:25] Selma: just ask the question... [10:00:52] Sorry, new to this. The Titles in my wiki is currently black. (The ones created using ==text== coding). I'm editing the MonoBook skin to suit my wiki better. I want the titles white since they're currently unreadable in the wiki. But I can't seem to find the code controlling this feature in the Main.CSS for the skin. [10:02:01] Selma: it's in skins/common/commonElements.css [10:02:29] Selma: sometihng like h2,h3,h4,h5,h6{color:white} should work, no? [10:02:35] Selma: but I highly suggest you to do this in the MediaWiki:Monobook.css page so it does not get lost in upgrades [10:03:35] Thanks! I thought I was looking in the wrong place! I'll see what I can do about this. I'm very new to coding, and afraid I'll break the skin if I edit in the wrong place. [10:05:51] New review: Aude; "I suspect this would break a lot of gadgets, site css, user css and javascript, etc. " [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24674 [10:07:59] 03(mod) Corrected logo for Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40222 (10hemantbugzilla) [10:13:54] Thanks guys, it worked! I'm off! ^_^ Have a pleasant day [10:55:58] 03(mod) Improve XCF Thumbail - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35622 +comment (10Marco) [11:05:44] 03(mod) Add namespace name "Category" to categories listed at [[Special:UnusedCategories]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40450 +comment (10This, that and the other) [11:10:44] umm toolserver down? [11:13:58] New review: Platonides; "Is it working for both of you?" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24665 [12:07:38] 14(INVALID) Call to undefined method LocalFile::getLocalRefPath() - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40449 +comment (10Krenair) [12:25:07] New patchset: Nasirkhan; "fixed the key map" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24698 [13:03:43] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Platonides) [13:29:06] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [13:43:45] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Platonides) [13:47:25] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Platonides) [14:00:11] Hi. [14:00:11] I want page references when exporting a bunch of mediawiki pages to a pdf book, like [14:00:11] "The Earth (see page 114) is a planet..." [14:16:14] 03(mod) jquery.placeholder should take the placeholder value as first parameter - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40430 +comment (10Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia) [14:22:48] 03(mod) Set up a new mailing list for es.wikibooks administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40278 +comment (10Marco Aurelio) [14:23:30] 14(INVALID) MediaWiki 1.16.5 does not produce valid XHTML - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29349 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [14:35:06] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [14:44:14] 03(FIXED) Set up a new mailing list for es.wikibooks administrators - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40278 +comment (10Thehelpfulone) [14:51:09] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "You should be able to use the classes representing geospatial entities defined by Maps yes. They are..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24688 [14:57:13] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Why are you creating a new input type rather then extending the existing Google Maps form input? You..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24685 [14:59:21] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Gerrit is odd... Can you approve your stuff now?" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24685 [15:00:08] New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Ifc7c3dfd4166da3a145beaddb3a051d0a7aa9779" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23942 [15:15:14] New review: Tim Landscheidt; "I checked it on PostgreSQL and it passed Jenkins. Googling your error message suggests that you sho..." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24665 [15:17:57] hello people I need some help with mediawiki [15:18:31] I just formated the pc and install a new OS [15:18:45] and? [15:18:56] previously I was using mediawiki and only backed up the mysql db [15:19:07] not mediawiki filesystem [15:19:45] is it possible to recover and synchronize it with the new mediawiki version I just installed? [15:20:20] I have a .sql file with all the data... [15:21:02] if you import this into a database, it should be doable [15:21:38] yep I reinstalled lamp on a fresh mint13 [15:21:39] install new mediawiki, drop all tables, import your SQL, run `php maintenance/update.php` from shell [15:21:51] (but i'm no expert) [15:22:00] New patchset: jan; "Fix i18n-problem in SpecialMergeAccount::listWikiItem()." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24699 [15:23:20] how can I add a checkbox / text to the account creation page, to get them to commit to the terms of service (for contributions)? [15:24:04] I installed new mediawiki and i created a database with the same name the old one had... I even loaded the mysql [15:24:25] then I loaded the backup.sql into mysql but... [15:25:08] I dont know how to tell mediawiki that db is the one it should read... perhaps I should ask #mediawiki channel if it exists [15:25:46] Guest12039, you are in the #mediawiki channel... [15:25:56] oh [15:25:59] lol [15:26:19] just set $wgDBname on LocalSettings.php to that database [15:26:58] shepazu, I think there amy be an extension precisely for that [15:27:02] oh, I already used same name for the newly created db [15:27:22] then mediawiki should work [15:27:23] Platonides: do tell :) [15:27:25] extension k [15:27:37] New review: Krinkle; "ref: bug 37966" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19203 [15:38:44] 03(mod) Do not output empty portlets - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/24500 +comment (10Krinkle) [15:57:38] New patchset: Hoo man; "Maintenance for CentralAuth extension." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21542 [15:58:39] New patchset: Hoo man; "Maintenance for CentralAuth extension." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21542 [15:59:29] New review: Hoo man; "Resolved TODO and removed an empty line." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21542 [16:01:47] New patchset: jan; "Fix i18n-problem in SpecialMergeAccount::listWikiItem()." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24699 [16:04:53] New review: Nischayn22; "No, I can only +1" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24685 [16:32:07] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Base class and hooks for Polgyons" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24688 [16:32:49] 03(mod) Port mediawiki.legacy.protect to modern JavaScript - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33871 +comment (10Krinkle) [16:37:53] ....now I want some sort of special indexing map [16:39:37] 03(mod) Installer should guide setting up the upload directory ("/images") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35277 summary (10Krinkle) [16:40:00] New patchset: Hoo man; "Nicer Special:AbuseLog URIs when using the form there" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24700 [16:40:25] 03(ASSIGNED) jquery.byteLimit sometimes causes an unexpected 0 maxLength being enforced - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38158 (10Krinkle) [16:41:01] 04(REOPENED) ArticleFeedbackv5 generating bad recent changes entries - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40195 +comment (10bianjiang) [16:42:45] New review: Hoo man; "New rights have to be added to $wgAvailableRights in AbuseFilter.php and to AbuseFilter.i18n.php." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23509 [16:55:29] New review: Martineznovo; "Ok, applying your corrections/suggestions into a new patchset now that I have time :)" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23984 [17:00:12] I'd like to transclude the text of one page into the account creation page. How can I do that? [17:02:01] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/Gadgets] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24668 [17:03:08] New patchset: Hoo man; "Minor maintenance changes (PHP and JS)" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24701 [17:08:38] New review: Krinkle; "Of course :)" [mediawiki/extensions/OnlineStatusBar] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22180 [17:08:44] Change merged: Krinkle; [mediawiki/extensions/OnlineStatusBar] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22180 [17:08:59] New patchset: Nischayn22; "Base class and hooks for Polgyons" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (nischayn) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24688 [17:18:51] Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24698 [17:20:18] 03(mod) Convert some MediaWiki user preferences into JavaScript gadgets (tracking) - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40346 +comment (10MZMcBride) [17:23:23] New review: Santhosh; "jquery.ULS development is now at github. Please submit this patch there. I523444b1 removed these fil..." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24696 [17:25:23] Change abandoned: Santhosh; "This will not merge here since we moved jquery.uls development to github. Will integrate this patch ..." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23992 [17:27:49] DanielFriesen: I don't really understand the preview on first edit user preference. [17:27:52] What does it do? [17:28:00] "Show preview on first edit" [17:28:39] Brooke, it makes it so that when you open the edit page the preview automatically shows. [17:29:02] People use that? [17:29:10] I use it excessively. [17:29:15] Really? [17:29:26] I don't get it. [17:29:46] Hmmm. [17:29:55] You think that can't be gadgetized? [17:29:56] It can be really hard to work with WikiText alone... especially if you are using templates. [17:29:58] I'm not sure why not. [17:30:30] I mean, at a most basic level, you could just slurp the cached HTML and put it up above the edit window, couldn't you? [17:31:05] How about this one... ;) you'd annoy me on the hundreds of wikis that don't have gadgets [17:31:31] I think designing software with one particular user in mind isn't a great idea. [17:31:34] You're an edge case. [17:31:50] ...try getting preference stats before you make that assertion. [17:32:01] I think we have some now. [17:32:23] Back to namespaces... [17:34:17] I wish there was a nice simple php structure that allowed for indexed fetching of objects inside the storage [17:34:48] ...instead of having to store the same object inside multiple arrays just to get that functionality [17:43:06] 03(mod) Jenkins should run PostgreSQL unit tests by default as well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37602 +comment (10Tim Landscheidt) [17:44:15] Brooke: about your RFC about prefs [17:44:36] MatmaRex: Yes. [17:44:38] the trouble is, people use these :P i personally use two you'd want killed [17:44:49] and a couple you'd want to gadgetize [17:44:54] You're a power user. [17:45:12] true. but i certainly wouldn't want them removed [17:45:17] nor moved to gadgets [17:45:21] Why's that? [17:45:23] Because you use them? [17:45:29] the lists of gadgets on larger wikis are already huge [17:45:35] and fiding anything there is a pain [17:45:46] How many times would you need to enable them? [17:45:57] every time you kill one :P [17:46:06] i agree that there are too many prefs [17:46:13] Right. But we're talking about a one-time hit for a few power-users right now. [17:46:16] Not to mention that hardly any wikis even have gadgets installed [17:46:33] I'd also venture to say that hardly any wikis use most of these user prefs. [17:46:35] And we still haven't fixed the central gadget repo issue [17:46:47] honestly i wouldnt mind a "Power Users" tab with a big list of checkboxes [17:46:50] moved from other tabs [17:46:52] but no killing [17:47:13] If you want the user prefs killed, you'll have to provide a good reason, I think. [17:47:18] Each user pref has a real cost. [17:47:32] Yes, they each have at least a few users. [17:47:36] and stuf no one uses would go there, like external editor, do stuff with JS, default UI settings [17:47:38] Brooke: and legacy skins! those should also be killed [17:47:42] But their user has to outweight the cost. [17:47:48] ashley: Yes. [17:48:09] MatmaRex: Yeah, "Advanced features" or something, sure. [17:48:16] New patchset: Raimond Spekking; "Fix typo" [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24702 [17:48:21] legacy skins do more damage than most of these preferences [17:48:22] ashley: As MatmaRex and DanielFriesen suggest, some of these issues are larger than just user prefs. [17:48:29] Gadgets need love. And the skin system needs love. [17:49:04] MatmaRex: As I said to Nemo_bis, though, adding a user preference isn't a blood oath to always support the feature in that implementation. [17:49:15] I wonder how many people use external editor prefs -- because from what I've seen and heard over the years, those two prefs do more harm than anything else; people accidentally trigger 'em and wonder why they can't view the wiki and are prompted to download "index.php"... [17:49:19] what gadgets need is a) collapsibility of sections and b) hideability of entire sections from users without certain rights [17:49:23] Gadgets didn't exist when a lot of these user prefs were added. [17:49:35] MatmaRex: I believe (b) is part of Gadgets 2.0. [17:49:43] Not sure about (a), though it sounds trivial. [17:49:44] oh, that's nice [17:50:05] e.g. on pl.wiki there are 5 gadgets for admins and 2 for reviewers, i think [17:50:12] Right. [17:50:15] and everybody has to view them, even if they dont care [17:50:20] Those can already be dvided by setion. [17:50:22] divided [17:50:25] they are [17:50:29] I can't type. [17:50:30] ;) Gadgets also needs to stop using the MediaWiki namespace [17:50:32] doesnt make it less annoying :) [17:50:32] Ever. [17:50:42] New review: Santhosh; "@amir. Do not edit lib/jquery.uls in gerrit. Those files come from github. For now I will port your ..." [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24663 [17:50:44] DanielFriesen: Gadgets namespace is part of Gadgets 2. [17:50:59] i'll comment on a few of items in the RFC in a while [17:51:01] Brooke, has the config been removed too? [17:51:03] And a gadgets configuration UI. [17:51:06] in particular on the ones I use :P [17:51:10] I can't remember where it lives now. [17:51:12] It's in JSON, I think. [17:51:14] Or something. [17:51:36] "Can't be removed; I use this user preference. ~~~~" [17:51:43] haha [17:52:00] COI COI COI! [17:52:03] Well, and some of these user prefs may be made obsolete by smarter software. [17:52:11] For example, the hidden categories feature... [17:52:19] Not sure why that can't just be based on logged in status, TBH. [17:52:47] ...that said IMHO things like gadgets, etc... don't even belong in name spaces... [17:53:33] MatmaRex: Any thoughts on changing the layout to vertical tabs would also be appreciated. [17:53:37] Or other ideas for a better layout. [17:53:44] The stacking tabs are a bit... dated. [17:53:45] Even after ContentHandler [17:53:51] layout aint bad, IMO [17:54:08] The layout is pretty awful. [17:54:20] Esp. for extensions. [17:54:26] Though core also has some wtf about it. [17:54:37] (cf. Contests tab on mediawiki.org) [17:54:41] Collapsible elements, accordions? [17:54:50] :)
[17:55:13] Yeah, some kind of accordion thing might be nice. [17:55:24] The tabs made more sense in the days of Monobook. [17:55:36] As we move from Vector to a newer skin, they'll make less and less sense. [17:55:48] what's wrong with Monobook? [17:55:57] ;) hey, vector's styling of the tabs is pretty nice [17:56:09] ashley: The book background gets to be a bit much after a few years. [17:56:45] ashley, "All monobook scum, must die!" [17:56:50] CSS -- it's fucking magic (-; [17:57:12] I think Special:Prefs uses JS to do its magic, not CSS. [17:57:43] ;) and hopefully in the future we'll use
for magic: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/interactive-elements.html#the-details-element [17:58:14] Brooke: replied [17:59:09] The old toolbar really needs to die. [17:59:10] New patchset: jan; "Fix i18n-problem in SpecialMergeAccount::listWikiItem()." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24699 [17:59:16] I think I'm gonna push fairly hard on that. [18:00:18] You know... thinking about it... using details the could actually contain a quick explanation of what kinds of settings are actually inside the panel. [18:00:43] That could REALLY help make navigating them much more sane. [18:01:06] New patchset: Hoo man; "Update jStorage to current (Sep. 20) version from github" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24703 [18:02:00] Brooke: you are going to make people sad :( [18:02:20] If they really want the old toolbar, they can make it a gadget. [18:02:24] Gadget:GetOffMyLawn [18:02:27] .js [18:02:39] Brooke: the kind of people who use old toolbar are the kind of people who still use monobook [18:02:42] haha, yeah [18:02:51] Right. [18:02:52] I use Monobook. [18:03:17] It'd ease the pain of this to have global gadgets/global user preferences. [18:03:17] yeah, and de.wiki does, too, but thats not my point [18:03:34] My point is that I understand the type of people you're talking about. [18:03:41] :) [18:03:49] global user prefs would be sweet to have [18:03:51] You could put all kinds of shit into this Lawn gadget. [18:03:59] Change "+section" back to "+". [18:03:59] but don't you dare to touch my editing toolbar! [18:04:00] Etc. [18:04:12] ashley: Do you use the toolbar often? [18:04:17] I only use the signature button. [18:04:34] I find it's more error-proof than manually typing ~s. [18:04:46] more often than the new toolbar at least :) [18:04:59] Dodge. [18:07:50] Down with manual signatures!!! [18:11:35] New patchset: jan; "Fix i18n-problem in SpecialMergeAccount::listWikiItem()." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24699 [18:12:17] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Add tests to check that files referenced by RL modules exist" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24564 [18:15:35] New patchset: Siebrand; "Update jquery.autogrow.js." [mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24689 [18:17:12] 03(mod) The scripts of some gadgets are not added to their Resource Loader modules on Portuguese Wikipedia (ext.gadget.foo is "empty") - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40288 (10mybugs.mail) [18:17:34] WTF!? ^ [18:17:47] 03(mod) Block elements inside elements with align="" should use margin:auto; in HTML5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40329 +comment (10TMg) [18:18:55] New review: Siebrand; "PHP and most of the JS fixes are fine. Not sure about the "new" removal in JS, so added Krinkle as r..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24701 [18:20:11] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24552 [18:21:27] New review: Siebrand; "Please create a bugzilla issue for the FIXME." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7161 [18:21:27] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7161 [18:24:13] New patchset: jan; "Fix i18n-problem in SpecialMergeAccount::listWikiItem()." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24699 [18:25:58] 03(mod) Don't use hacks to replicate browser quirks, either let align="" pass through or not; in HTML5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40329 summary (10TMg) [18:26:45] http://i.imgur.com/wITkg.png [18:30:27] New patchset: Siebrand; "Maintenance for AbuseFilter extension." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22361 [18:31:13] New review: Siebrand; "PS9 fixes yet another merge conflict. I'm reviewing this PS myself, and will merge when I have no do..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22361 [18:43:11] 03(mod) Don't use hacks to replicate browser quirks, either let align="" pass through or not; in HTML5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40329 +comment (10Daniel Friesen) [18:43:35] 03(mod) Block elements inside elements with align="" should use margin:auto; in HTML5 - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40329 summary (10Daniel Friesen) [18:50:52] New patchset: Siebrand; "Maintenance for AbuseFilter extension." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22361 [18:51:47] 03(mod) Jenkins should run PostgreSQL unit tests by default as well - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37602 +comment (10Tim Landscheidt) [18:52:17] New patchset: btongminh; "(bug 35693) ApiQueryImageInfo now suppresses errors when unserializing metadata" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24465 [18:52:56] 03(NEW) enhancement - add social sharing feature after upload - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40456 enhancement; MediaWiki extensions: UploadWizard; (dzahn) [18:53:09] New review: Siebrand; "Reconsidering... I thought I02ba4ce3 had already been merged, but it wasn't. Most of this is covered..." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: -2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24701 [18:53:57] 03(mod) Enable passwordless sudo for instances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39788 +comment (10George Chriss) [18:54:39] New patchset: Umherirrender; "Remove pass-by-reference from WikiExporter constructor" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24658 [18:55:36] New review: Umherirrender; "Now removed pass-by-references from WikiExporter constructor, see IAlex comment." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24658 [18:55:38] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24465 [18:55:59] 03(FIXED) ApiQueryImageInfo.php should wfSuppressErrors() before trying to unserialize - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/35693 (10Siebrand) [18:56:10] 03(mod) Enable passwordless sudo for instances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39788 +comment (10jeremyb) [18:57:56] New review: Siebrand; "Thanks for the review, Hoo man and jan!" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21542 [18:57:56] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/21542 [18:58:40] New patchset: Siebrand; "Replace two remaining wfMsg() calls." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24686 [19:01:21] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24697 [19:02:12] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/Collection] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24654 [19:02:49] New review: Umherirrender; "Sumanah, thanks for the hint, but I see no point, which is missing." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17945 [19:03:03] New patchset: Umherirrender; "Show a "(blocked)" hint on Special:ListUsers/ActiveUsers" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/17945 [19:03:38] New review: Siebrand; "Is there something we can do about this test wise, so that it doesn't break as easily again?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24322 [19:03:39] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24322 [19:04:10] New patchset: Martineznovo; "(bug 27202) Add timestamp sort to list=allimages" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23984 [19:06:27] 03(mod) Enable passwordless sudo for instances - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39788 +comment (10George Chriss) [19:07:54] Change abandoned: Hoo man; "Partly redundant with I02ba4ce3" [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24701 [19:08:01] New patchset: Umherirrender; "Add messages for global groups" [mediawiki/extensions/WikimediaMessages] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22226 [19:08:32] New review: Martineznovo; "I did additional testing (last time I had no much time for this, sorry!) and found more bugs on my P..." [mediawiki/core] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23984 [19:08:37] New patchset: Umherirrender; "Use Parser::incrementExpensiveFunctionCount direct for ifexist" [mediawiki/extensions/ParserFunctions] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23178 [19:08:45] New patchset: Umherirrender; "Add 'expandurl' to prop=extlinks/list=exturlusage" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23095 [19:09:57] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24699 [19:10:44] New review: Siebrand; "Rebase failing. Please update." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24426 [19:10:54] New patchset: Siebrand; "Use data-sort-value instead of hidden text" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23111 [19:12:03] New review: Siebrand; "Rebase failed. Please update." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master); V: -1 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23054 [19:13:18] New patchset: Siebrand; "(bug 20272) Make AbortAutoAccount useful for other extensions." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/7037 [19:13:59] New patchset: Siebrand; "(bug 39371) Special:CentralAuth no longer shows temporary blocks" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19772 [19:14:18] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/19772 [19:14:34] New patchset: Hoo man; "Maintenance for AbuseFilter extension." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22361 [19:14:41] New patchset: Siebrand; "(bug 16860) Add api for getting all wiki sets" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23240 [19:14:53] New patchset: Siebrand; "(bug 16860) Add api for getting all global user" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23177 [19:15:03] New patchset: Siebrand; "Make Special:GlobalUsers consistent with Special:ListUsers" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/23479 [19:15:21] New patchset: Siebrand; "Block creation of new accounts with a username which exists in some other wiki." [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/16922 [19:16:22] New review: Siebrand; "Thanks." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22361 [19:17:08] Change merged: Siebrand; [mediawiki/extensions/EducationProgram] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24702 [19:19:07] 03(FIXED) Special:CentralAuth no longer shows temporary blocks - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39371 +comment (10Krenair) [19:20:17] 03(FIXED) AbuseFilter: blocking issues - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30324 +comment (10Krenair) [19:20:20] New patchset: Hoo man; "Maintenance for AbuseFilter extension." [mediawiki/extensions/AbuseFilter] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/22361 [19:21:19] 03(NEW) Maintain scroll position on pressing back - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40457 normal; Wikipedia App: History; (jrobson) [19:39:02] Didn't the skins option used to be a dropdown? [19:40:58] 03(mod) Cloned tables for unittests do not have references and constraints - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37702 summary (10Tim Landscheidt) [19:44:31] 03(mod) Add namespace name "Category" to categories listed at [[Special:UnusedCategories]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40450 +comment (10Dereckson) [19:46:17] 03(mod) Corrected logo for Sanskrit Wikipedia - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40222 +comment (10Antoine "hashar" Musso) [19:48:35] 03(mod) Add namespace name "Category" to categories listed at [[Special:UnusedCategories]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40450 +comment (10MZMcBride) [19:48:40] That bug is a bit bewildering. ^ [19:59:38] 03(mod) Add namespace name "Category" to categories listed at [[Special:UnusedCategories]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40450 +comment (10Dereckson) [20:06:02] 03(mod) Add namespace name "Category" to categories listed at [[Special:UnusedCategories]] - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40450 +comment (10MZMcBride) [20:14:01] New patchset: Santhosh; "Internationalize ULS" [mediawiki/extensions/UniversalLanguageSelector] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24663 [20:23:46] 03(mod) Save Draft button is not enabled when edit tool bar is used - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19702 major->normal; +comment (10Erik Moeller) [20:28:20] New patchset: Hoo man; "Show edit link only to user with the editinterface right" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24426 [20:29:44] Could someone please press the "Rebase" button on that one https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24426 ? [20:30:18] I accidently used review -R and now gerrit doesn't understand it's a rebase and I can't rebase changes of others from the web interface :| [20:32:24] 03(mod) lists.wikimedia.org encoding issues in descriptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37817 summary (10Andre Klapper) [20:32:57] Raymond_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24426 Kannst du mal schnell bei meinem letzten Patch Set auf "Rebase" gehen... manchmal nervt git/ gerrit [20:35:07] 03(mod) lists.wikimedia.org encoding issues in descriptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37817 +comment (10Thehelpfulone) [20:35:27] 03(mod) lists.wikimedia.org encoding issues in descriptions - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37817 (10Thehelpfulone) [20:39:11] New patchset: Brion VIBBER; "Initial stab at responsive images for screen densities." [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24115 [20:43:23] New review: Brion VIBBER; "Patchset 4: adds support for querying resolution on IE 9, 10 (only tested 10)." [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24115 [20:56:51] Change merged: IAlex; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24658 [20:58:11] 03(NEW) preference for "near by" default location - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40458 normal; Wikipedia App: Near by; (hashar) [21:00:07] 03(mod) Non-existing pages at the Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37480 +comment (10Bryan Tong Minh) [21:00:51] New patchset: Hoo man; "Show edit link only to user with the editinterface right" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24426 [21:01:22] New patchset: Elfalem; "(bug 40282) Update Amharic mapping" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [21:01:56] 03(mod) Non-existing pages at the Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37480 (10Bryan Tong Minh) [21:03:03] New review: Hoo man; "Rebased" [mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth] (master) C: 1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24426 [21:05:24] New review: Santhosh; "Yay!, first commit. Congrats. There are some minor issues as noted in inline comment." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 0 C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [21:06:16] 03(mod) Non-existing pages at the Commons - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37480 +comment (10Bryan Tong Minh) [21:08:57] 03(mod) Update Amharic mapping - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40282 (10elfalem) [21:14:36] 03(mod) Uploads sometimes are incomplete: file is there, but image page is missing - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/15430 +comment (10Bryan Tong Minh) [21:14:44] 03(mod) Update Amharic mapping - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40282 +patch-in-gerrit (10Nemo_bis) [21:16:04] Damn [21:16:09] bug 15430 is so fucked up [21:16:42] I can't believe I am struggling for 4 years with it already [21:29:24] New patchset: Elfalem; "(bug 40282) Update Amharic mapping" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [21:29:35] 03(FIXED) OnlineStatusBar indicator should not use absolute positioning. - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/37132 +comment (10Bartosz Dziewoński) [21:34:01] 03(NEW) Wikimedia API makes no mention of terms of use or licensing information - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40459 normal; Wikimedia: General/Unknown; (b) [21:34:06] 03(mod) Upload via API: always hidden in recentchanges when made under bot account - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31813 +comment (10Bryan Tong Minh) [21:41:41] 03(mod) allow resolution of MyXXX pages to their respective redirect targets via the API - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32722 +comment (10Bryan Tong Minh) [21:42:40] 04(REOPENED) Wikimedia foundation donation contributionHistory links break - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19850 (10Nemo_bis) [21:43:23] New review: Santhosh; "The QUnit tests are failing for me" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: -1 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [21:44:03] 03(mod) Wikimedia foundation donation contributionHistory links break - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19850 +comment (10Nemo_bis) [21:56:45] New patchset: Elfalem; "(bug 40282) Update Amharic mapping" [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [21:59:03] New review: Elfalem; "I have reordered a rule which should take care of the first fail. I've also fixed the second test wh..." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [22:08:03] New review: Santhosh; "This will be soon available in translatewiki.net, please try there, and invite other speakers to tes..." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master); V: 1 C: 2; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [22:08:03] Change merged: Santhosh; [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [22:09:22] how can I change the parameters in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Copyrightwarning ? [22:09:49] it lists $1 and $2, but not where they are set [22:10:18] They're defined in the PHP code [22:10:25] you can't really change them [22:11:30] Reedy: not even with Settings or in a skin? [22:11:34] how can that be? [22:11:49] why would you want to chnage them? [22:11:58] Oh [22:12:06] $1: the name of the license used by the wiki; [22:12:06] $2: a link to the wiki page describing the local copyright policy. [22:12:14] yes [22:12:36] specifically, I want to change the link in $2 [22:12:41] !$wgRightsUrl = null; [22:12:50] $wgRightsUrl = null; [22:13:04] New review: Elfalem; "Will do! Thank you Santhosh for all your help." [mediawiki/extensions/Narayam] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24759 [22:14:15] Reedy: I see $wgRightsPage, too… any idea which is which? [22:14:28] nm, I'll just mess around [22:14:28] $wgRightsPage, $wgRightsUrl, $wgRightsText, $wgRightsIcon, $wgLicenseTerms [22:14:31] thanks [22:23:15] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Fix PHP warnings introduced in I49f3effb" [mediawiki/extensions/Translate] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24760 [22:38:53] Reedy: no matter what I do, or what variable I set, the same wrong page name is inserted for $1… any clue how that's generated? [22:39:10] Another MediaWiki page? [22:39:23] yes [22:39:50] and if I just try to edit the warning itself, some "smart" behavior puts "!!FUZZY!!" at the beginning [22:40:02] translate extension [22:40:26] !license [22:40:30] I thought we disabled that [22:40:43] Who's "we"? [22:41:09] New review: Nikerabbit; "Surely this warrants a mention in release notes?" [mediawiki/core] (master); V: 0 C: 0; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24681 [22:41:43] Reedy: our ops guy and me [22:41:54] Reedy: I've disabled that now, thanks [22:44:04] ok, that will have to do for now [22:44:09] thanks for your help [22:55:35] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24682 [22:55:55] New patchset: Amire80; "Spell the name of Hausa in the Latin script" [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24761 [23:05:45] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [mediawiki/core] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24761 [23:16:33] 03(mod) Remove all unrequired dependences from AFT - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29858 (10spage) [23:16:42] 03(FIXED) Request creation of wikimedia-us-co mailing list - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40440 +comment (10Thehelpfulone) [23:17:00] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "wgEnableMWSuggest is going away" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24762 [23:23:30] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Added repoconf for twn to repo" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24763 [23:24:12] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24762 [23:24:39] Change merged: Nikerabbit; [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24763 [23:25:48] Any Firefox user around who's willing to just let some unit tests run? [23:25:57] http://www.jstorage.info/static/tests/testrunner.html [23:29:43] 03(mod) Remove all unrequired dependences from AFT - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/29858 +comment (10p858snake) [23:30:56] hi, anybody know of an extension that will "collapse" all the levels of a page and allow expanding them indviidually? like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Collapse [23:32:14] hoo, i tried to run the tests on Firefox. they all passed, but when i clicked OK in the final box, Firefox crashed. what is it, anyway? :) [23:32:45] dammit :/ [23:33:22] aharoni: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24703 jStorage, a jQuery module which allows us to easily use the HTML5 local storage in a users browser [23:36:05] New review: Hoo man; "Please do NOT merge for now!" [mediawiki/core] (master) C: -1; - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24703 [23:36:05] hoo, i would gladly report a bug to Mozilla's Bugzilla about it, but I don't quite know how to describe it. [23:38:00] aharoni: Probably it's on their side, yes... all I see is that firefox does this: alert(the message you see); [23:38:01] return; [23:38:11] I have no idea why this crashes [23:38:21] 03(NEW) File size shown as "0 � 0 px", inconsistent thumbinails created - 10https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/40460 normal; Wikimedia: Media storage; (paul.kaganer) [23:38:50] well, even if you just write a bug report that describes what that site was supposed to do, it should already be enough. I know some Mozilla people and I'll try to poke them. [23:38:52] New patchset: Nikerabbit; "Repo stuff for jquery.uls" [translatewiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/24765 [23:41:45] aharoni: I'm doing some testing