[00:44:37] I am tying to get math formulas working on my machine. Presently I get: Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable. Please see math/README to configure.): [00:48:30] всем привет [00:50:06] mnathani: what OS do you use? [00:50:14] CentOS 6 [00:53:06] mnathani: you have a step-by-step installation guide at https://shenyuqi.com/archives/23 [00:53:44] (Scientific Linux is also an upstream of Fedora, like CentOS) [00:53:48] Dereckson: thanks, I will try that [00:54:10] On FreeBSD there is a port dedicated for texvc, but not in EPEL :( [01:05:07] Dereckson: I followed the guide, and got texvc compiled, but still having an issue including the right path in my LocalSettings.php config [01:14:46] Dereckson: Thank you for your assistance. Got it working now [01:33:47] You're welcome. [01:34:09] next time you have a path issue to find an executable, try which (without <) [01:34:22] e.g. which texvc [01:34:32] now all I need is a dummies guide on how to write out the code to display the formulas [01:35:30] I learnt math TeX stuff looking existing similar formula on en.wikipedia and adapting them for my own need. [01:36:03] you can enable mathjax in your en.wikip preferences, so you can right click on a formula and get the TeX code without any need to go in edit mode. [01:36:46] It's at the bottom of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering [01:38:12] wow - thats pretty cool [13:58:45] Hi Guys, how can I change the standard text under the editing box? [14:01:04] anyone there? [14:03:01] Seems Hans_ left already. That was fast. [14:29:46] tale: Welcome to IRC support... [14:38:02] hello [14:42:29] Hey alexi5 [14:42:31] What's up? [14:43:10] i am good [14:44:25] i am currently doing some research on mediawiki on its suitablity for knowledge base repository for a corporate intranet [14:45:10] alexi5: Pretty sure it can serve that purpose, as it has in the past [14:45:20] And continues to do as we speak, of course. [14:46:11] cool [15:08:08] knowledge base! :D [16:15:10] anyone using Visual Editor? [16:15:17] still too early for a small site? [16:17:20] hello! [16:17:39] morning [16:18:06] morning slestak [16:19:22] i'm having a problem with some images on our installation of wikipedia, and was wondering if anyone can help out [16:19:34] slestak: It's being used in a few different places, I'm not aware of any *huge* issues [16:19:42] In fact, for smaller sites it might be better. [16:20:05] brokedahmouth: you mean MediaWiki. But care to elabourate further? :) [16:20:06] after i get ldap and shorturl working i'll likely give it a try [16:20:23] for some images, the following is appearing File:Ann Dunham with father and children.jpg instead of the actual image [16:20:57] Reedy: yes, i get confused on terminlogy sometimes :) [16:21:03] !wikipmediawiki [16:21:03] Confused about the differences between MediaWiki, Wikimedia, Wikipedia and wiki? See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipmediawiki [16:21:38] i'm bookmarking this link right now [16:23:30] any ideas as to why the image tag would not render for some images? [16:23:47] images are hosted on an external server, and for a majority are appearing fine [16:24:04] possibly related to unescaped spaces in name? [16:24:14] im a new user so that may not be relevant [16:24:25] any help or ideas are appreciated [16:24:44] have you looked at your web server log when the page is rendered? [16:24:44] i've tried checking out different branches of mediawiki and extensions to no avail [16:24:51] brokedahmouth: Can you link to a page that's not currently working? [16:25:30] marktraceur: i have to dig up a public accessibly link, let me see if i can get one [16:27:01] slestak: do you mean enabling the mediawiki debug log? [16:27:24] no, i was thinking about the apache (if you are usign apache) access and error log [16:27:36] let me try that now [16:27:53] could be something like permissions on the file [16:28:15] that could explain the hit or miss intermittent behavior [16:28:36] slestak: image does exist on the external server [16:29:02] when the page is being rendered, it doesn't seem to recognize that [16:29:06] How have you got it setup? [16:29:36] Reedy: do you mean the image configs, or the setup in general? [16:29:51] more the former I guess [16:30:58] Reedy: everything might not be accurate since i'm relatively new, but going to try my best [16:31:24] That doesn't really answer the question [16:31:37] brokedahmouth: How do you have it set up? A pastebin with your config might be best. [16:31:52] marktraceur: i see, one sec [16:31:59] Reedy: do you think looking at the source of the page that isnt rendering would tell something about the form of the link? [16:32:04] with Ctl-U [16:32:14] It'll tell you what it's targetting [16:32:27] There's a couple of ways of doing images, even more so when you're hosting them in distinct places [16:33:53] marktraceur: Reedy: pastebin of inialisesettings.php http://pastebin.com/77uJrtaM [16:34:30] $wgSharedUploadPath = 'http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons'; [16:34:56] slestak: i check the apache error log and don't see anything related to images [16:34:58] You're using initialisesettings? [16:35:08] Are you running some sort of Wikipedia mirror? [16:35:37] marktraceur: yes, [16:35:48] Reedy: exactly [16:36:07] brokedahmouth: Mind if we ask why? [16:36:49] marktraceur: no problem. my company has an agreement with wikipedia to mirror content and include it as part of our search results [16:37:05] data mining, signals, etc [16:37:20] I wasn't aware WMF had that agreement with Ask, interesting [16:37:45] How are you mirroring? [16:37:58] marktraceur: it was news to me when i was assigned to this project :) [16:38:03] Indeed [16:38:49] Reedy: there are a bunch of middleware services that download dumps on a periodic basis, and they also retrieve deltas at given time periods to ensure content is up to date [16:39:55] brokedahmouth: It looks like you have a lot of WM-specific stuff laying around - the stanzas about centralauth for example [16:40:46] And a real bastardisation of InitialiseSettings.php too [16:40:58] Which sorta suggests the person who set it up doesn't really know what they were doing [16:41:03] marktraceur: unfortunately this was something i inherited. it's on my @todo for a massive clean up [16:41:12] Also yes. [16:41:40] Reedy: i agree. i read over the documentation and it seems the roles of the files are reversed from my understanding [16:42:01] We do our file offloading via https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=filebackend.php [16:43:17] brokedahmouth: Wait, this is just for searching? [16:43:33] Like, you just want to have search results for enwiki, and you link to it from your search results? [16:43:55] Because if so I'd hazard a guess that you could just hook up the dumps and the search engine without MediaWiki getting in the way [16:43:58] (as it is wont to do) [16:44:11] want*? [16:44:13] No. [16:44:25] marktraceur: content is indexed and included as part of search results. info boxes also appear similar a lå google [16:44:26] huh [16:44:30] marktraceur: you're right :) [16:44:32] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wont [16:44:43] * greg-g has been saying/typing that wrong forever [16:44:59] greg-g: Don't worry, I wan't tell. [16:45:36] :P [16:45:40] is there a document that describes at a high level how image tags are rendered for remote locations? [16:46:15] brokedahmouth: Basically this channel is the documentation...by "remote locations" I'm going to assume you mean "shared local DB remote repositories" for now [16:46:17] marktraceur: there is some wonky parsing of pages to return them as part of search results [16:47:01] brokedahmouth: Basically the local wiki (e.g. enwiki) contacts the database for the remote wiki (commonswiki maybe) and builds the image reference as if it were local, but uses a different FileBackend for it. [16:47:03] marktraceur: i can roll with that definition [16:47:59] brokedahmouth: The WMF cluster is nice because all of our files are on the same server, so constructing the image URL just means changing the path...so it's always upload.wikimedia.org, but sometimes it's /commonswiki/Foobar.jpg or /enwiki/Foobar.jpg [16:48:08] (very simplistic there, those paths aren't real) [16:48:59] marktraceur: there's some image service being used here to create thumbnails and store them centrally [16:49:49] which is what WMF does, roughly [16:49:58] marktraceur: can one change remote references on the fly then through the configuration? [16:50:31] Uhh...hm. [16:50:37] brokedahmouth: Not sure why you'd want to [16:50:47] brokedahmouth: What do the thumbnail URLs look like? [16:51:15] marktraceur: here's one http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Obamamiltondavis1.jpg [16:51:28] That looks just fine [16:51:37] The configuration should be mostly straightforward, I think [16:58:38] troubleshooting my ShortURL setup. I have RewriteLog enabled in apache.conf, set to log level 2 (for debugging) but nothing get written to my prescribed log. [16:59:22] slestak: You restarted apache? [16:59:38] gonna head out for lunch soon, but an ideas where i should be looking to resolve this problem marktraceur ? [16:59:45] yes, and i verified on my debian weezy that rewrite.load is in mods-enabled [17:00:00] thanks to everyone who helped out [17:00:13] good luck with it brokedahmouth [17:03:43] ive got my rewrite rules in my Directory section, not in an htaccess. AllowOverride is on, but since I am not using htaccess, not really necessary [17:04:10] i may head over to #apache or #debian to work on this since its nto a wm issue [17:06:47] !rewriteproblems | slestak [17:06:47] slestak: 1) Try as a fail-safe method; 2) Do not put the files into the document root; 3) Do not map the pages into the document root (see !nullpath); 4) Use different, non-overlapping paths for real files and virtual pages; 5) Do not set a RewriteBase; 6) Put all rules into the .htaccess file in the document root. See also !shorturls [17:08:51] I have been workign off of Manual:Short_URL, but do have root access so I wasnt using htaccess. [17:09:09] i used to have my mw root in /wiki, but have since moved it to /w [17:09:38] I realized after talking to #apache that I set my log to less verbose, so let me see if that helps me see what si going on. [17:10:55] i have no RewriteBase, I saw that was not a good thing [17:15:40] ahh, had my rewritelog directive in the wrong context. at least loggin gis workign now. [17:21:16] I use a customized css skin overlaid on Vector (because Vector is an ugly piece of shit). It's been working just fine, but today it doesn't appear to be properly overlaid on - of all things - my preferences setting. [17:21:24] any suggestions? [17:23:37] Dragonfly6-7: user CSS and JS is not loaded on the preferences page. [17:23:47] CSS used to be, but is no longer, since a few weeks ago or so [17:24:17] Dragonfly6-7: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71621 [17:25:47] ah, a known issue. [17:25:58] is this a) deliberate or b) accidental? [17:26:22] seems deliberate to not allow css and js in the mediawiki namespace [17:26:35] they discuss the security concern in the ticket [17:28:12] tch [17:28:22] Vector's still an ugly piece of shit. [17:30:49] So you built something ontop of it? [17:30:50] lol [17:31:27] Reedy - I spent several weeks nagging several other people to build a reasonable facsimile of Classic on top of it, yes. [17:31:34] rephrase [17:31:41] nagging several other people *into building* a reasonable facsimile [17:31:51] I'd like to take this time to reiterate my request that Classic be reinstated [17:31:55] I found a website that uses your software to DOX/slander people. Is there anyone I can contact in the mediawiki organization to take legal action against this user? [17:32:35] curioususer: IIRC they're perfectly within their rights to do that [17:32:54] no one is in their legal rights to slander [17:33:09] I mean, to use the software however they please [17:33:18] curioususer - but they're not doing anything that mediawiki has a legal right to complain about [17:33:33] they are. They are slandering people. [17:33:45] You'd probably be better contacting whoever hosts their server/site [17:33:50] ok thanks [17:33:51] curioususer - yes, and the people being defamed have the right to complain about that. However, Mediawiki is not involved in that. [17:34:04] curioususer - just like General Motors cannot complain when people use their cars to commit crimes [17:34:20] or apple if they happen to be usign a macbook to post to said wiki [17:35:40] but i am not a lawyer [17:35:47] He's gone anyway [17:36:17] Reedy - so, to be clear: every old version of Mediawiki has been stored. Yes? [17:36:33] Dragonfly6-7: It's in git/svn, yes [17:36:35] okay [17:37:00] so, *hypothetically*, would it be possible to extract the features necessary to implement Classic as a skin? [17:37:39] Yes [17:38:08] Depending on how long ago it as removed, it may require an amount of work to make it useable on newer mediawiki [17:39:06] and, of course, I'd need to find someone to nag into doing this, right? [17:39:15] If you can't do it yourself, yeah [17:39:26] * Dragonfly6-7 makes puppy-eyes at Reedy [17:39:44] I'm one of those developers you don't ask to make pretty things ;) [17:40:05] how about just restoring a previously-existent pretty thing? [17:40:22] I'm going to guess it would take a lot of tweaking [17:40:57] more autistic than artistic? [17:41:22] slestak: lol [17:41:39] When was it removed? [17:41:42] that is my excuse, I have never made a good looking site [17:41:50] Was it removed when "we" extracted the skins to their own repos? [17:43:04] earlier [17:43:08] ohai MatmaRex [17:43:13] the big skin extinction event [17:43:21] trolol [17:43:27] you'd also need to bring back SkinLegacy, or however was that thing called [17:43:46] so probably a few hours of tinkering at least :( [17:44:10] yeah, springtime '13 [17:44:29] I've got a bunch of screenshots showing what the interface *should* look like as opposed to what it *did* look like [17:45:00] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_demonstrating_proper_relative_font_sizes_in_Classic_skin.jpg [17:45:02] carefully annotated [17:45:38] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Classic_vs_heavily-modified_Vector_%28skin_comparison%29_1.jpg [17:45:41] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Classic_vs_heavily-modified_Vector_%28skin_comparison%29_2.jpg [17:45:43] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Classic_vs_heavily-modified_Vector_%28skin_comparison%29_3.jpg [17:47:23] MatmaRex - please explain "SkinLegacy" ? [17:47:54] Dragonfly6-7: a really old skin framework, that was removed from MediaWiki together with the skins that needed it [17:48:08] i think my shorturl problem has to do with DocumentRoot. the /w is being doubled up. [17:48:12] [rid#7fc85588d728/initial/redir#1] (1) [perdir /var/www/w/] pass through /var/www/w/w [17:48:29] ^ snippet from rewrite.log [17:49:07] my docroot is /var/www/w/ and $ScriptDir is /w [17:51:52] MatmaRex - is that why Classic was removed? [17:52:31] i can't really remember now. iirc there was an information page created about this then [17:52:47] and there's probably a wealth of discussion on bugs and patches and such. [17:52:57] http://pastie.org/9693712 vhost setup [17:53:20] are you familiar with the XKCD strip about workflow? [17:54:53] slestak: yeah, your docroot shouldn't include w [17:55:37] Dragonfly6-7: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Turning_off_outdated_skins [18:00:09] Hello, I seem to have a problem were after updating a wiki, my speical pages are blank [18:00:24] !blankpage [18:00:24] A blank page or HTTP 500 error usually indicates a fatal PHP error. For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see . [18:01:16] Thank you Reedy [18:01:29] smoss: should get you going for starters at least :) [18:01:50] When you've got an actual error message, we should be able to help a bit more [18:02:12] Just needed for my guys that runs the database since he updated and only backed up the sql, Reedy [18:04:16] legoktm - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turning_off_outdated_skins [18:04:25] legoktm - do you know how many people quit wikipedia because of that? [18:04:34] lol, rageqit [18:05:10] Reedy - do *you* know how many people quit? [18:05:16] Has anyone encoutered this issue before Fatal error: Call to undefined function wfLoadExtensionMessages() in /home/obsidian/public_html/database/wiki/extensions/UserAdmin/SpecialUADMBase.class.php on line 59 [18:05:23] smoss: Yeah [18:05:27] Dragonfly6-7: Dunno if anyone does [18:05:34] smoss: The extension is using old code [18:06:05] Reedy - precisely. [18:06:08] Reedy: So I need to download the new version or just disable, correct? [18:06:17] Exactly [18:06:39] Dragonfly6-7: what is your point? the old skin was replaced, the site mentioned why. [18:06:41] If there isn't a newer version, and really need it, you can just comment out any calls to that function [18:06:46] But other stuff might be broken [18:06:54] Dragonfly6-7: Do we have reason to believe there was a lot? [18:07:05] Reedy - do we have reason to believe it wasn't? [18:07:08] Thanks, Reedy [18:07:18] People use their preferred skins because they prefer them. [18:07:38] Not everyone is willing to spend weeks on haranguing people into creating a custom overlay. [18:07:43] and would just quit instead. [18:08:06] True [18:08:57] It seems a little childish to me, at least [18:09:10] Reedy - so do you. [18:09:18] I seem a bit childish to me? [18:09:49] * bd808 is totally childish [18:10:14] There are lots of things that people prefer. [18:10:40] Reedy - do you use a font with a serif, or without? [18:11:03] 18:48:30 ^ snippet from rewrite.log <- got that via apache RewriteLog? [18:11:15] I use the defaults [18:11:23] Reedy - do you believe everyone should use the defaults? [18:11:29] No [18:11:35] Which is why we provide ULS among other things [18:12:01] but not using the defaults... isn't that childish? [18:12:07] No [18:12:13] SPF|Cloud: yes, i only trimmed the domain and the timestamp [18:12:16] preferring a particular setting isn't childish? [18:12:18] But "you removed my preferred skin, I'm leaving" seems it [18:12:42] thanks for that actually, trying to debug some rewrite issues but file only gets created.. [18:12:49] I have since changed my documentroot to just /var/www btu I dotn think that is correct [18:13:18] SPF|Cloud: it makes a big difference "where" you place the rewritelog directive [18:13:27] I guess indeed :p [18:13:35] Is your virtualhost under a subdomain? [18:13:35] slestak: for my dev wiki I have http://p.defau.lt/?Hyathv15SZuUpaxo3iZOgw [18:13:46] it did not work for me in the apache.conf, I had to place it in the vhost server contect, outside of the directory context [18:14:05] Reedy - well, I'm still here. People quit projects over lesser things, and you know it. [18:14:10] I know [18:14:34] People bitch when facebook change stuff [18:14:42] and gmail, omg [18:14:43] do you want to tell them all that it's childish? [18:14:51] I'll happily do so [18:15:00] I think the point with the skins was effort needed to update them, vs the amount of people using them [18:15:49] Dragonfly6-7: If someone was to do the work to bring it up to date, and the code met the correct standards, and it was wanted by numerous people, I don't think there'd be any reason we couldn't deploy it [18:19:30] Reedy: I still wonder why I have to use that (aliases) for /w scriptpath /wiki articlepath instead of rewrite rules (rewrite works for /wiki scriptpath /wiki articlepath, not /w scriptpath /wiki article path) [18:20:11] anyway, it solved my problems, so thanks :) [18:21:42] don't the docs recommend against having ?title= in your rewriterule? [18:22:26] SPF|Cloud: https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-puppet/blob/production/modules/mediawiki/files/apache/sites/wikimania.conf [18:23:54] too many iwndows again [18:24:31] Reedy - are the relevant details of Classic still available within git/svn ? [18:24:49] Dragonfly6-7: I guess the files are deleted in git at least [18:24:54] so you'd have to find the history [18:25:02] It'll be there in SVN more obviously, but really ooooold [18:25:43] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki/commits/master/skins [18:26:03] It'll be in there somewhere [18:26:07] so it's MatmaRex's fault? [18:26:23] "fault" [18:27:44] !gerrit 8dfd474b53a42f701272a85214f6f6d4183f5b75 | Dragonfly6-7 [18:27:44] Dragonfly6-7: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,8dfd474b53a42f701272a85214f6f6d4183f5b75,n,z [18:28:17] the comments look like a nice evening of reading, enjoy [18:29:00] so why was only Nostalgia moved to an extension? [18:29:41] because it's the default skin on the nostalgia wiki [18:29:52] https://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePage [18:30:18] could other skins have been moved to extensions as well? [18:30:31] hypothetically. [18:33:56] * Dragonfly6-7 waits politely [18:34:31] Reedy: do you have /w as a literal directory in /var/www/wiki? [18:35:21] path to root wiki is /var/www/wiki/w/ [18:35:24] this is where we started 3 days ago =) [18:36:58] slestak: Yes [18:37:05] thanks [18:37:06] the files are physically in there [18:37:19] reedy@ubuntu64-web-esxi:/var/www/wiki$ ls [18:37:19] clone-all.php mediawiki phpinfo.php w [18:37:32] Hello all, I need some help with figuring out how to accomplish a task. Is there a way to list the last updated/modified stamp of another page? I tried {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP:}} and that didn't work. Is there some other way to accomplish this (without extensions)? [18:37:38] what is contained in mediawiki? [18:38:31] It's my clone of the many many repos [18:38:38] reedy@ubuntu64-web-esxi:/var/www/wiki/mediawiki$ ls [18:38:38] addmodule composer.phar core dns extensions mediawiki-config php phpunit.phar rcsub selenium services skins subgits tools vagrant vendor [18:38:39] ok. thanks [18:39:11] lrwxrwxrwx 1 reedy reedy 14 May 3 2012 w -> mediawiki/core [18:39:28] just trying to reduce the number of copies I end up with on disk ;) [18:42:24] Hello all, I need some help with figuring out how to accomplish a task. Is there a way to list the last updated/modified stamp of another page? I tried {{REVISIONTIMESTAMP:}} and that didn't work. Is there some other way to accomplish this (without extensions)? [18:43:50] LastUpdated: which MediaWiki version are you using? [18:44:22] SPF|Cloud: Don't laugh, but how do I check? [18:44:31] Go to "Special:Version" on your wiki [18:45:04] 1.15.1 [18:45:09] Ouch :) [18:45:18] That version is outdated for a few years [18:46:02] I have "inherited" it, if any of you lovelies would like to help me get it updated without breaking our content I would be very happy. [18:46:10] What you want to do (get revisiontimestamp of a page) is added in MediaWiki 1.23, the current stable version [18:46:20] !upgrade [18:46:20] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading [18:46:26] !backup [18:46:26] See http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Backing_up_a_wiki for information about backing up your wiki. For restoring your wiki, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki#Import_the_database_backup for more. If you don't have database access, try !grabber. [18:47:01] these pages should help [18:47:19] Ok, thanks. I appreciate the help. [18:47:56] Another question, how would I go about moving the media wiki from a Linux box to a Windows machine? (Not my decision) [18:48:04] Eww [18:48:06] !movewiki [18:48:06] For help about moving pages, see . For help about moving wikis, see . [18:48:10] I know, I know..... [18:48:22] Using what webserver? [18:48:31] I don't mind apache and such on windows, but IIS and PHP can be a real PITA [18:48:50] Dunno, higher ups do not like linux. [18:49:05] hm [18:49:55] Again, thank you for your help everyone. I appreciate it greatly. [18:50:21] You're welcome. The XAMPP stack is great for windows though [19:01:10] alright, success for ShortUrls [19:01:16] ty for your assistance guys [19:33:27] to repeat my earlier quetsion [19:33:33] could other skins have been moved to extensions as well, hypothetically? [19:34:30] yes, probably [19:34:39] !debug [19:34:39] For information on debugging (including viewing errors), see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:How_to_debug . A list of related configuration variables is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Debug.2Flogging [19:35:41] hmmm, suddenly my wiki's pages have large blocks of whitespace at the bottom of the page :/ [19:37:03] MatmaRex - so why wasn't this done? [19:37:37] Dragonfly6-7: because it would take a lot of effort, that no one was willing to put in [19:37:57] * Dragonfly6-7 marks that down as "uncaring laziness" [19:38:12] Dragonfly6-7: i updated one of the skins at the time, CologneBlue, took me days to do it [19:38:27] And quite a lot of pachsets IIRC [19:38:43] looking at Extension:LDAP_Authentication and Extension:AuthIMAP, anyoen use either? [19:38:46] Also, he was doing it as a volunteer [19:38:54] slestak: the LDAP one is widely used [19:38:59] Dragonfly6-7: that is rude as crap man. welcome to ignore. [19:39:00] * MatmaRex marks that down as "this shit sucks, let's not touch it with a ten-foot stick" [19:39:04] MatmaRex - was anyone using that? [19:39:13] probably [19:39:20] I think as I said before, it was a very small % in comparison to other skins [19:39:27] Even less when you considered actually active users [19:40:22] there were usage stats somewhere [19:40:45] but yeah, it was like 1%, a bit more maybe. the removed skins had even smaller usages [19:40:45] "pachsets" ? [19:40:55] patches* [19:40:58] ah [19:41:21] Dragonfly6-7: As I said before, if you can get someone to work on it and bring it up to standards, it could be re-deployed [19:41:38] who designed Vector? [19:42:12] Trevor mostly I think [19:57:05] Hello all, I was in last week and had some fantastic assistance with HTMLForm. I had an excellent example of having multiple stages of inputs, but I haven't the foggiest what the example was. I distinctly recall calling the guy who wrote it a wizard. [19:58:10] MassMessage [19:58:12] I think [19:59:50] Reedy: You are a gentleman and a scholar [20:12:51] Reedy - Trevor who? [20:13:00] There's only one Trevor [20:13:19] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Vector/blob/master/Vector.php#L31 [20:13:41] Reedy: There's also a Wikian Trevor, who is a PM IIRC. [20:17:55] Reedy - how is he to be contacte [20:17:58] contacted [20:18:18] He's in #wikimedia-dev [20:47:48] How can I get diff numbers for page creations? Like [[c:Special:Diff/1]] … [20:48:34] * Reedy wonders why a lot of people are asking this of late [20:51:40] you can't get a diff for a page creation [20:53:38] Vulpix, Special:Diff/n just redirects you to ?diff=n [20:53:55] FDMS, it's just the rev_id [20:54:18] that still doesn't change the fact that MediaWiki doesn't generate diffs for page creations [20:54:23] Vulpix, and if n is a page creation, you get something like this: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=403849 [20:54:46] * FDMS is listening [20:55:37] You get no diff, just the initial version of the page [20:56:24] Krenair: That's what I wanted, didn't know oldids work with Special:Diff [20:56:42] it's just a revision ID [20:57:41] (Thanks.) [21:09:43] I enabled uploads in my wiki, but when I try to add an image within a wiki page that i uploaded, it doesnt work. instead it shows me the [[File.. [21:13:53] mnathani: Does your webserver have write permission on your uploads directory? [21:14:39] I doubt it's a problem with uploads. At least he doesn't mention an error on upload [21:14:54] * Ulfr_ leaves it to the experts [21:14:55] mnathani: does it show as a red link? or as plain text? [21:50:35] red link [21:50:44] upload works just find [21:50:47] *fine [21:51:00] its the embedding of the image that doesnt work [21:52:12] strange thing thoug, if I place the link to the image plain with no tags, it show the image embedded [21:53:21] No tags? [21:53:44] that's because you have the allowembeddedimages (whatever the $wg* variable is spelled) setting turned on [21:54:05] Reedy: yes, the URL to the file itself (not to the file description page) [21:54:35] mnathani: be sure you haven't mispelled the image name. Just use the same title as it appears in the file description page [21:55:01]