[02:16:18] Hi - can anyone here set up a MediaWiki site for me on a server? I want to host a wiki myself, but cannot manage my own server right now [02:22:32] Hello? Anybody active here? [02:25:28] Guess not :( [02:26:10] LP4912: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services [02:26:58] Robdgreat: no, I want a wiki that I can manage the configuration for, but not having to manage the server upkeep [02:27:28] That's why I'm asking if a developer can set up a wiki for me on a server, and I will take it from there [02:27:44] I'm great at everything except sysadmin ops [02:29:15] I guess I didn't look closely enough. I assumed that's what they did [02:29:49] Not really [02:29:57] I've already looked through that list [02:30:46] There are a lot of restrictions that I don't want in my way - everything from charging ridiculous service startup fees to prohibiting access to certain features on public farms [02:32:01] Can't a MediaWiki developer just set up a wiki at my requested URL on a server for me, and then I could take everything over from there? [02:35:04] for free? [02:35:31] Of course free is ideal, but a small startup fee is okay [02:35:38] I'm not sure what incentive there is to host a site for you for free [02:35:40] Just not something way out of the ballpark [02:36:28] Well, my personal incentive is that I've been searching for this for like, 3 months now [02:36:32] With no success [02:36:47] I didn't mean for you [02:37:39] [21:35] I'm not sure what incentive there is to host a site for you for free [02:37:49] You said "for you" yourself [02:38:05] yes, the site is for you. [02:38:15] the incentive would have to be for the one going out of their way to host you [02:38:21] that's how this works [02:39:22] I'm intrigued by this potential hole in the market. I just am not set up to take advantage of it right now [02:39:52] Nobody is going out of their way, I don't think. I'd assume that server setup is quick and easy for the professionals, and once set up, you people wouldn't have to do a thing [02:40:12] yeah, people always assume everything is quick and easy [02:40:12] That is, unless by some chance the server crashes [02:40:16] exactly. [02:40:25] it's a commitment to maintain things [02:40:59] to do those very things you say you don't want to do [02:41:24] I understand, but as noted above, I've been searching for almost 3 months now and I'm getting really frustrated that there's nothing really good out there [02:41:37] that's unfortunate [02:41:39] Every hosting site has one or two major negatives that kill its chances [02:42:18] and my question is if I were to provide this service, what's in it for me? [02:42:30] Define "in it for me" [02:42:33] Hi. [02:42:47] what do I gain in return for the time and resources I provide? [02:43:00] LP4912: There are plenty of services that offer one-click MediaWiki installation. [02:43:03] Wikia? [02:43:07] I think GoDaddy? [02:43:34] Yvette spam, spam, wonderful spam in the case of Wikia [02:43:42] Yvette: but LP4912 wants a free host with no restrictions and free admin service [02:43:44] Ka-Ching many other places [02:43:46] You think your own wiki won't get spam? [02:43:53] I never said free [02:43:56] Robdgreat: So do I! [02:44:06] I just said not out of the ballpark startup fee [02:44:06] LP4912: you said one-time fee [02:44:19] LP4912: Oh, you probably just need a cheap VPS, then. [02:44:21] that means free hosting [02:44:33] A virtual private server can be like $5 to $10 a month. [02:44:44] I pay $5 for a DigitalOcean droplet [02:44:49] Yeah, that. ^ [02:44:52] Or you could Amazon AWS. [02:45:01] that's less predictable pricing [02:45:02] But installing MediaWiki isn't exactly trivial. [02:45:17] I mean, it's also not crazy difficult, but it's a bit tedious. [02:45:39] The problem is that I cannot maintain a database server myself [02:45:44] You gotta find the right balance between what you're willing to do yourself and what you want to pay others to do. [02:45:50] Smart man, database servers are annoying. [02:45:53] Yvette: that'd be nothing [02:46:00] ...apparently [02:46:15] https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=one-click%20install%20mediawiki%20hosting [02:46:24] Lists GoDaddy and DigitalOcean. [02:46:27] All I need is a database server that I do not have to maintain and I need nothing else [02:46:32] "why won't somebody take on this hassle out of the kindness of their heart?" [02:46:37] Oh, we have https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services [02:46:44] Robdgreat: I mean, if you don't want to help, then don't. :-) [02:46:50] DigitalOcean is a semi-scam [02:46:57] wtf are you talking about? [02:46:59] They don't host true MediaWiki [02:47:05] They host wiki websites [02:47:29] Robdgreat: Like you can think LP4912 is being unreasonable, but that's his choice, I guess. [02:47:43] I've tried it already and got ripped off [02:47:55] The site I created was indeed a wiki, but it wasn't a MediaWiki [02:47:59] Oh, maybe you were speaking to LP4912 there. [02:48:09] Yvette: I was [02:48:13] Sorry! [02:48:24] LP4912: Life is a scam. [02:48:39] Gotta be grade-A all-natural MediaWiki®. [02:48:44] You can't use Wikipedia? [02:48:48] It already has database servers set up. [02:48:56] Wikipedia? Are you kiddingI [02:49:01] That's not a personal hosting site [02:49:08] I want my own MediaWiki site [02:49:22] if it's not MediaWiki, why does it say it is? [02:49:26] (DO) [02:49:50] LP4912: What do you want to host? [02:49:54] Like what content? [02:49:56] Robdgreat in response to your earlier question, you could gain unlimited contributor access to my wiki in return, or even some fame if my wiki becomes popular [02:50:12] Idk why it says MediaWiki [02:50:15] see, that's something [02:50:22] That's what I mean by semi-scam [02:51:04] Robdgreat would you be willing to accept that exchange? [02:51:24] not today, I'm afraid [02:51:46] I have some infrastructure I'd need to set up [02:52:05] Yvette I want to host a site about bridges, skyscrapers, highways, etc [02:52:28] Civil engineering for a general category [02:52:29] but I am interested in your thoughts on what would make The Best MW Host Evar ™ [02:52:39] if I can fill that niche it sounds interesting [02:52:51] I'd have to actually charge money for it to be worthwhile, though [02:53:00] but it could potentially be a pittance [02:53:11] Robdgreat I am working on a GitHub repository containing what I want to see out of a MediaWiki site for me [02:53:28] If you PM me your email, I can send you the link when it is complete [02:54:32] Or I can send it via Special:EmailUser if you have a valid email attached to your MediaWiki account [02:55:54] hmm [02:56:17] o/ [02:56:26] I am unable to install mediawiki on my pc [02:56:52] LP4912: yeah, I do [02:56:54] can anyone help me asap pls? [02:56:55] hey kamal_ [02:57:19] Alright then. I will email you the link to the GitHub repo when it is complete Robdgreat [02:57:23] In the mean time... [02:57:31] I guess I'll still be wiki-less [02:58:18] kamal_: LP4912 was saying DO's "mediawiki" isn't actually that [02:58:48] I have no experience with it, but figured you probably did [02:59:01] ah, hey LP4912! What do you mean exactly? [02:59:04] Hi Satya. [02:59:19] You're trying to install MediaWiki on Windows? [02:59:29] HI Yvette [02:59:47] yes on windows 8 [02:59:51] Kamal_ I need to go now, but basically their websites are wikis, but they are not MediaWiki software [02:59:56] (disclaimer: I'm a community manager @ DO. I've worked with the one clicks for a while until recently.) [03:00:18] Are you talking about the one click app or the community section of he site? [03:00:26] *the [03:00:51] I have gone thorugh installation procedures ..but not quite getting that [03:01:10] not enough user friendly [03:02:05] Welp, I'll go to sleep then. Fwiw, the community section is built in-house and is not based on media wiki. The one-click image definitely is though. [03:02:06] Windows 8? [03:02:24] yes [03:03:16] I didn't know anyone used Windows 8. Interesting. [03:03:29] Satya: Are you familiar with WAMP? [03:03:30] !wamp [03:04:58] no Yvette [03:05:13] Typically MediaWiki runs on a LAMP stack (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP). You're substituting Linux for Windows, so it'd be WAMP, I guess. [03:05:17] but can give atry if it really helps [03:05:37] Though in this case, it's really WIMP, if you end up using Microsoft IIS instead of Apache HTTP Server. [03:05:43] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(software_bundle) [03:05:59] In order to install MediaWiki, you need a modern version of PHP and a database. [03:06:06] Doesn't have to be MySQL, actually. That's the most common, though. [03:06:11] You can use Postgres or SQLite. [03:06:15] Or MSSQL! [03:08:04] > A version where MySQL has been replaced by PostgreSQL is called LAPP, or sometimes by keeping the original acronym, LAMP (Linux / Apache / Middleware (Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby) / PostgreSQL).[3] [03:09:15] So, can I get those s/ws from above posted link WIMP [03:13:23] Yvette: are you there? [03:16:41] Am I ever? [03:16:52] Satya: You can download software from the Internet, yes. [03:20:32] OK..here basically I need to download the following stuffs: IIS,PHP,MSSQL [03:21:06] If you want to run MediaWiki on your Windows 8 machine, yes. [03:21:18] MediaWiki is written in PHP, so you're gonna need that anywhere. [03:21:35] It uses a database engine, so you're going to need one of those. In your case, MSSQL might be easiest. [03:21:57] And it needs a Web server. In your case, IIS might be easiest. [03:22:18] You may want to find an online guide or blog post or something that describes how to install MediaWiki on Windows. [03:22:22] Surely some of those exist somewhere. [03:26:38] Amny thanks Yuvette [03:26:43] many* [04:07:52] Is there any way to make a POST req from a different domain using JavaScript? [04:08:16] I've been looking into iframing, but of course MediaWiki has the X-Frame-Options headers set, which prevents that [04:08:32] I've been using JSONP for my GET reqs, but now I need to save a page [04:12:31] CORS? [04:13:31] Yvette: does Wikipedia even support that? [04:13:35] I've checked and came up with nothing [04:13:44] Wikipedia? [04:13:46] Or your own wiki? [04:13:57] ENWP [04:14:06] What are you trying to do? [04:14:15] edit a page [04:14:16] using JS [04:14:43] From somewhere other than the English Wikipedia? [04:15:00] yeah [04:15:01] Labs [04:15:03] *Tool Labs [04:15:14] Why? [04:15:23] for a tool I'm writing [04:15:45] What does the tool do? [04:15:54] hmm [04:16:00] Is it a secret? [04:16:03] broadly, helps reduce backlogs [04:16:04] nah [04:16:11] I've been talking with a bunch of people on enwp about it [04:16:18] Are you in a competition to be as vague as possible? [04:16:34] for example, if the backlog is "pages with screwy reference names", it only allows said ref names to be editable [04:16:49] I don't think I've been vague, but I apologize if I'm being hard to help...? [04:17:00] I don't see why I'm being interrogated [04:17:16] To better understand what you're trying to do. [04:17:25] Instead of trying to figure out how to support whatever half-solution you've come up with. [04:17:28] !xy [04:17:29] The XY problem is asking about your attempted *solution* rather than your *actual problem*. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/66378 [04:17:31] I'm pretty sure it's not an XY [04:17:32] ... [04:17:36] I was just typiing that out [04:17:38] :-) [04:17:40] *typing [04:17:47] my gosh [04:17:50] Are you going to make your own edit interface? [04:17:57] yes, that's the general idea [04:18:07] Hmm. OAuth, I guess. [04:18:16] yep, I've looked into that for tokens [04:18:23] does that work for page saving, though? [04:18:29] It must, right? [04:18:34] If things like the Wikidata game are using it? [04:18:40] I always thought it was just for getting tokens [04:18:48] oh, I completely forgot about that [04:18:51] :-) [04:18:53] I'll definitely read the source code for that [04:19:00] thanks for reminding me [04:19:41] I guess I'll have to ssh in to read the code... oh well [04:19:43] Yeah, I'd probably replicate whatever Magnus did: https://tools.wmflabs.org/widar/index.php?action=authorize [04:19:45] anyway, thanks Yvette for the help [04:19:53] although his looks a bit serverside [04:20:05] I figured I could always run a CGI script that relays edits up on Labs [04:20:19] the edit form on my tool would hit the script, which would do the edits itself [04:20:28] https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/wikidata-game/src/95bf67ac200924b00e798ded979e764301ac085a?at=master maybe. [04:20:32] seems like an easier solution to me [04:20:42] oh, that's helpful [04:20:47] I'm not sure that's the correct repo. [04:21:11] Do you want the edits to be made by a bot account or the user themselves? [04:21:17] the user themselves is optimal [04:21:22] Then OAuth, yeah. [04:21:22] bot would be easier, of course [04:21:31] "Easier." [04:21:33] since I could just send the diffs up to the CGI script [04:21:35] Editing interfaces aren't really easy. [04:21:40] that's true [04:22:01] I mean, PWB would make session storage for the bot a breeze [04:22:20] I guess OAuth would give me the tokens to send to the CGI script [04:22:56] but in the meantime I can just have the user copy and paste CRSF tokens from the meta=tokens call into a text field or whatever [04:23:22] thanks again [04:23:42] Good luck! [09:11:39] heya guys.. is this the place to ask about copyright tags for images on wikipedia, or would that be #wikipedia and #wikipedia-en? [09:13:19] Depends what about them you want to ask [09:15:11] well, i'm not sure if it's Public Domain or copyrighted but fair use [09:15:24] http://www.tvtechnology.com/Portals/0/FCCBandPlan.jpg it seems to be mostly simple geometric shapes [09:16:22] see, the FCC (broacast regulator) in the United States held a spectrum auction that began in April of 2016 and just concluded a few days ago. cell phone companies adn television broadasters had to work out an agreement on how many UHF channels would be re-allocated from TV to video. ultimately, Option 7 was agreed upon.. which is everything above UHF 37 (which is not used, due to radio astronomy) [09:16:58] this is the article it is in: http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/0002/broadcasters-seek-xxx-billion-for-84-mhz/280123 [09:18:52] would it be copyrighted but used with permission along with "PD-ineligible? [09:22:28] oh wait... this might have been made by the FCC itself.. in which case, it's PD-US Government [09:23:36] YES! it is! https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-14-50A1.pdf [09:23:51] page 453 [09:31:52] yeah, that's more of a #wikipedia-en or #wikimedia-commons question [09:31:56] but glad you figured it out [09:51:09] :D [10:44:29] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup#Arch wow😂 [11:08:39] Hi :) How should I encode anewline character for action=edit appendtext? "\n" does not work [11:09:02] (MediaWiki api) [15:53:25] I'm trying to get the External_Data extension working with passing a "|post data=X-Auth-Token: $foo" parameter, but I'm not having much success.. doing the same url with curl works just fine :S [15:53:50] are there any way to get debug logs from running these queries? [17:12:31] Everyone's linking https://cmdchallenge.com/ [17:12:52] I got bored after a couple ;) [18:24:25] https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/5rd9em/gitlab_is_down_notes_on_the_incident_and_why_you/ [18:31:11] phew https://twitter.com/gitlabstatus/status/826852006128152576 [18:32:31] epic livestream though [19:25:08] [14 sdfgaurfgw8]we23guw3egr7we7w37rwzhvdhsdfeh [19:25:26] aswzgezf z[jsdfgezfgvfzd[ewufeuewqew,.e2uhwwh [22:31:52] I've got the Visual Editor module installed and it's mostly working, but under the insert menu there is no "Computer Code" option. How can I enable that? [22:33:12] dougquaid: it's probably a part of the SyntaxHighlight extension [22:33:56] Ah, ok. I'll install that and see it that fixes my problem. Thanks [22:42:13] dougquaid, MatmaRex: isn't there a separate CodeEditor extension that might also be needed? [22:42:55] but maybe that's just for JS and Lua pages and such [22:43:40] I think the CodeEditor is not related to VE [22:55:21] hi @harej [22:55:33] hello rfarrand [22:55:44] how are you liking SF!? [22:56:03] I'll let you know when I'm back from Cincinnati :P [22:56:07] But it's been good so far [22:56:09] :) [22:58:36] * DanielK_WMDE hugs rfarrand [23:08:55] hey DanielK_WMDE :) [23:21:47] rfarrand: we live in the same state now! let's be pals