[17:35:23] hello [17:41:24] Hi [17:42:48] Hi [17:43:24] all are here [17:45:01] Ok, lets start planning things [17:45:37] ok [17:46:00] So, are we going to follow the tradition of conventional events? [17:46:25] I mean presentations, workshops and hackathons [17:46:28] ? [17:46:52] some interactive session [17:47:05] ok [17:47:16] and KT among inter community [17:48:37] The venue is in Punjab University, right? [17:48:59] Yes, we can stick to that but make it more productive by choosing the right topics [17:49:27] and allocating the right time to be productive [17:50:00] Focus can be on learning & interacting [17:50:34] So, are we involving Non-Wikimedians from the University also? [17:51:36] like faculty, students [17:51:43] etc. [17:52:18] ? [17:52:56] Yes if they are interested [17:53:25] Conference is open for all to register including local media, students and faculty [17:53:52] we can have some light sessions to give general intro for them [17:55:38] I think, presentations should only be open for Wikimedians and other FOSS organisations [17:56:19] Existing draft program at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2016#Programs_-_3_Days_Program [17:56:32] Need to redefine the framework [17:56:46] People will automatically choose sessions they understand [17:56:51] so no need of filtering [17:57:06] but what i am worried is crowd management. how if lot of local people register [17:57:12] how did it go in bnwiki10 [17:57:17] ok [17:57:17] I learned some lessons from BN10 [17:57:39] Thats why I am saying [17:58:59] In bn10, number of non-Wikimedians were so many than Wikimedians, that things got slightly out of hand [17:59:23] how many scholarship we are going to distribute [17:59:40] that depends on that [17:59:42] Next, we have to get the scholarship committe active :) [17:59:55] if less participant we allo local participants [17:59:56] I am thinking of max 300 registrations for the event [18:00:05] we can aim to give 75 scholarships [18:00:23] then we allow local participants [18:00:49] Local participants definitely need to be allowed. Even WMF won't encourage a closed conference [18:01:03] But, may be we can limit or avoid on the spot registrations [18:01:18] ok [18:01:24] and ask people to register online while answering few simple questions [18:01:31] that way we can have the right audience [18:02:11] Initial idea was to have 500+ participants based on WCI2011 count. But, we will be scaling down to keep things manageable [18:02:22] yes [18:02:22] In bn10, we had few interactive sessions with non-Wikimedians, where they were moderators. I can say, the discussions were completely out of focus [18:03:05] okey [18:03:14] So, it is important that Wikimedians participate actively [18:03:15] Content will be focused on Wiki for sure [18:03:24] even if non-Wikimedians participate [18:03:34] hmm [18:03:44] Do you think we can manage 3 full days of programs [18:03:49] anyone here who attended wci2011 [18:04:14] I think, we can [18:04:26] Though I have not attended 2011 [18:04:41] yes i am [18:04:56] but i was in hackathon [18:05:17] very rear in conf 2011 [18:05:39] I think 2 days is enough [18:05:51] what you plp thought [18:05:52] ? [18:06:28] In my opinion, three day is ok [18:06:48] or may be 2 and a half [18:07:32] We need some time, because we dont want to close discussions in 30 minutes like bn10 [18:08:01] In bn10, we left so many important discussions midway due to lack of time [18:09:12] 3rd day afternoon should be practically free as people will start leaving for airport / trains [18:09:59] okey [18:11:35] first day morning until lunch will go in opening program / registration logistics etc., [18:11:48] so we only have two full days time to do real programs [18:12:23] hmm [18:12:40] So, first there will be hackathon [18:12:47] on the first day [18:12:55] for techs [18:13:09] and for non-techs, we can have workshops [18:14:47] Can we start the hackathon on Day zero night itself and keep it running for all days like Wikimania? [18:14:48] is it ok? [18:15:00] Sure [18:15:09] We just need a separate room for it and hackers will fix their own agenda [18:15:21] Before that we can try to arrange probable focus areas so can work on them [18:15:23] But it depends whether the University can provide room for whole day [18:15:28] or not [18:15:42] hmm.. Indian Universities will have their own rules :( [18:15:46] Let's hope we get it [18:16:02] I think, we need Satdeep here in this chat [18:16:21] Regarding Workshops, everyone including techies / veterans can have few topics to learn [18:16:24] He will know the requirements and talk to the authority accordingly [18:16:57] Hmm [18:17:02] Yes, but the point of discussing in IRC is Satdeep or anyone can check later [18:17:11] ok [18:17:13] We might be discussing almost everyday with some team ) [18:17:40] We can arrange beginners workshop for Non-Wikimedians [18:18:23] and focussed workshops for veterans/techies [18:19:00] 2 PM to 5 PM, 10 AM to 1 PM. 6 hours a day. 12 hours for two full days. So, I guess we will have only 12 hours in total for one session. [18:19:32] yes [18:19:56] For reference: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011/Programs [18:20:28] So Bodhi, how much time do you think we need to allot for each presentation? [18:21:37] If its interactive, then 10-15 minutes for presentation and 10-15 minutes for discussion [18:22:23] 3 talks in one hour should be ok? [18:22:39] If we find that some topic is more important than others, then we can allot more time if needed [18:22:44] ya [18:22:51] Yes, it should be ok [18:22:59] okey [18:23:44] Bodhi, can you help us come with a table like https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConference_India_2011/Programs [18:24:12] ok [18:24:22] We also need to allot time for keynote speeches, invited speeches [18:24:39] So, I guess we will have a very tough standard for accepting presentations :_ [18:25:02] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Wikipedia_10th_Anniversary_Celebration_Kolkata/Programs [18:25:08] bn10 program [18:25:20] we are taking abstract kind of proposal [18:25:21] ? [18:25:35] or directly final [18:27:08] I think, abstract is ok, if we need more clarification, we can ask for more details [18:28:08] what about hackathon? [18:29:31] How was the hackathon in WCI2011 [18:29:34] ? [18:30:15] its was good and very fruitful [18:30:23] How many people attended? [18:30:42] After that we devolved android app [18:30:56] we was part of that narayam font [18:31:10] with santosh T [18:31:20] wow [18:31:20] around 200 [18:31:24] great [18:32:53] We may think about some goals which can be acheived in this hackathon [18:34:04] yes [18:34:17] we have to focus [18:34:30] end of this conf what we want to achive [18:34:33] May be it is time for another IRC discussion where probable attendees for hackathon can dicuss [18:34:42] we will need to project success measures for PEG [18:34:50] Technical & IT Team can interact with each other to make it more focussed [18:35:01] Yes, that team can take care of this [18:35:16] and we can also project some of our needs beforehand [18:35:24] from non-tech side [18:35:44] like what we did in OCR4wikisource [18:35:55] Some random topics for workshops: 1. General Wikipedia introduction (for newbies and local audience) 2. Punjabi Wikipedia introduction (For local audience) [18:36:20] 3. Copyrights 4. WikiData 5. Grant writing [18:36:37] grant writing for newbies?? [18:36:57] Not of course, 3, 4, 5 all for seasoned Wikimedians [18:37:08] oh [18:37:10] ok [18:37:14] Each workshop running for 2 hours should be ok [18:37:20] 6. Commons tools [18:37:38] 7. Wikisource [18:37:45] 8. Wiktionary [18:37:50] We are good at it now [18:38:08] We can make it general intro to all tools and gadgets including Commons [18:38:09] ones [18:38:31] There is a definite need for such a session based on a recent survey we did in tawiki [18:38:44] hmm [18:39:14] I suggest , that tamil will conduct the Wiktionary workshops [18:39:38] guys i m leaving from office [18:39:44] going home [18:40:19] catch you from home [18:40:21] gn