[00:03:17] <Reedy>	 hoo: He's in teh offices
[00:03:45] <hoo>	 Reedy: May I join?
[00:03:54] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[00:04:01] <Reedy>	 Numerous other non WMF staff are about
[00:04:32] <hoo>	 Heh :)
[00:04:56] <Reedy>	 The issue might be finding a desk on 3
[00:04:58] <Reedy>	 But whatever ;)
[00:05:31] <hoo>	 :D Will come over
[00:05:33] <hoo>	 Cu
[00:07:02] <DanielK_WMDE__>	 hoo: third floor, hidden in the corder. look at the floor plan :)
[00:07:18] <DanielK_WMDE__>	 aude: did you make it to SF at all?
[00:07:25] <Reedy>	 heh
[00:07:31] <DanielK_WMDE__>	 duh, now i missed him
[00:07:54] <Reedy>	 He'll appear in the offices and look lost in a bit
[00:07:55] <Reedy>	 it'll be fine
[00:08:11] <DanielK_WMDE__>	 sure
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[00:15:15] <gangleri_back>	 Saluton! Mi morgaŭ prelegos pri la utiloj de Wikidata en la Munkena klubo. Ĉu ĉeestas e-parolantoj ĉi tie?
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[00:22:23] <github-wmde>	 01[13Serialization01] 15JeroenDeDauw 04deleted 06rmunuseduse at 148784217: 02http://git.io/euFWFA
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[08:11:41] <GerardM->	 hoi
[08:13:11] <GerardM->	 DanielK_WMDE__ the #babel information is retrieved to display the labels in WD.. Could this functionality be re-used for Reasonator ?
[08:24:52] <lbenedix>	 GerardM-: you can parse the Users page and look for the babel template
[08:25:25] <GerardM->	 is that what is done in WD as well ?
[08:25:57] <lbenedix>	 I think that it happens in the php-code of wikibase
[08:29:24] <lbenedix>	 yepp, happens in the php code
[08:30:11] <lbenedix>	 there is a LanguageFallbackChainFactory that handles the babel-thing
[08:35:53] <lbenedix>	 I dont think there is an api to get this fallback chain
[09:36:39] <rotpunkt>	 Hi, I have a question about wikidata data model. Are there any real examples of entities with mainsnak.snaktype = 'somevalue' or 'novalue' ??? 
[09:37:21] <rotpunkt>	 *entities = entities with properties with ....
[09:39:01] <rotpunkt>	 I never found mainsnak.snaktype = 'somevalue' or 'novalue', only with value 'value'. So I don't understand why many lua scripts check for 'somevalue' and 'novalue'.
[09:41:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Adrian Lang: Implement a CommonsLinkFormatter [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109068 
[09:46:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109068 (owner: 10Adrian Lang)
[09:56:50] <reimann>	 rotpunkt: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1519264
[09:58:23] <reimann>	 this taxonomic group has a scientific name "Toxicofera" but is has not assigned a rank. It is between family rank and order. Thus, the taxonomic rank is "no value".
[10:00:55] <rotpunkt>	 thanks! just for explanation: which is the cause of this situation? 
[10:03:17] <reimann>	 in classic taxonomy, each group is assigned a taxonomic rank. there is the family of vipers in the order squamata. With analysing the genetic relations, a lot of new intermediate relations appear. These are no longer assigned a specific rank.
[10:04:34] <reimann>	 this means: most popular groups have a rank (as they are long known) while freshly found relations are not given a rank (as there are a lot of them)
[10:06:09] <rotpunkt>	 OK! but with the web interface of wikidata can I create a  "no value" or is it something made via API?
[10:06:48] <reimann>	 it works also from the user interface
[10:07:53] <rotpunkt>	 ok I never noticed it then, I am go to try
[10:08:05] <rotpunkt>	 and for "somevalue" ?
[10:08:50] <reimann>	 click "add", left of the text field there are three squares, these are for the ranks. between the three squares and the text field there are three rectangles. These are for the snaktype (value/novalue/somevalue) 
[10:11:07] <rotpunkt>	 thanks very much, I always missed it
[10:12:13] <rotpunkt>	 is it the one with "custom value", "unknown value" and "no value" ?
[10:12:20] <reimann>	 yes
[10:12:24] <rotpunkt>	 ok
[10:12:45] <rotpunkt>	 no value = no value, instead custom and unknown ?
[10:13:08] <rotpunkt>	 custom = value and unknown = somevalue?
[10:13:51] <reimann>	 yes, no value = it is correct that there is no value
[10:14:22] <reimann>	 somevalue= there should be a value but we do not know it (or the source does not provide it)
[10:16:04] <rotpunkt>	 nice explanation, I looked for it on wikidata.org, maybe I missed it
[10:16:36] <reimann>	 Wikidata:Glossary is I fear the only place where it is explained a little bit
[10:18:35] <rotpunkt>	 I missed it because I was looking for the exact word "somevalue" :=
[10:18:40] <rotpunkt>	 :=)
[10:19:32] <rotpunkt>	 thanks again, cya
[10:19:57] <reimann>	 you're welcome
[10:54:52] <lbenedix>	 GerardM-: did you made progress in the babel thing?
[10:55:07] <GerardM->	 yes
[10:55:23] <GerardM->	 there is documentation that it needs an API
[10:55:45] <GerardM->	 I learned from Amir Aharoni that someone with experience can create it in half a day
[10:56:04] <lbenedix>	 Denny said, wikidata is a matter of 2 weeks
[10:56:06] <GerardM->	 there is a bug about it and, i have added a gazillion people who own it
[10:56:28] <GerardM->	 ??
[10:57:19] <lbenedix>	 as far as I remember denny said, that the implementation of wikidata could be done in two weeks
[11:15:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS10) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Browsertests: generate testclaims using the api [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/100359 
[11:20:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/100359 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[11:49:10] <github-wmde>	 01[13Geo01] 15addshore 04force-pushed 06geoSpacingOptions from 14970b689 to 140de1a81: 02http://git.io/mjbq-Q
[11:49:10] <github-wmde>	 13Geo/06geoSpacingOptions 146a2f1d0 15addshore: Make spacing levels less cryptic
[11:49:10] <github-wmde>	 13Geo/06geoSpacingOptions 140de1a81 15addshore: Bump version and update release notes
[14:06:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Migrating statement string value browsertests to cucumber [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109089 
[14:11:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109089 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[15:34:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Tobias Gritschacher: Fix client selenium tests [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109094 
[15:39:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109094 (owner: 10Tobias Gritschacher)
[17:53:18] <lbenedix>	 addshore: ping
[18:33:06] <addshore>	 lbenedix: pong
[18:33:24] <lbenedix>	 I wrote you a private message a few hours ago...
[18:34:15] <lbenedix>	 I was asking where this table comes from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Botstats
[18:34:32] <lbenedix>	 especially the no of bot accounts
[18:36:22] <addshore>	 I never got the PM :) I think you pinged out
[18:37:14] <addshore>	 lbenedix:  https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Botstats&action=edit
[18:37:36] <lbenedix>	 I've seen this, but there are numbers hard coded
[18:37:45] <lbenedix>	 all=1336
[18:38:46] <lbenedix>	 the numbers derived from categories are obvious
[18:42:05] <lbenedix>	 can you explain where the hardcoded numbers come from?
[18:42:10] <addshore>	 nope
[18:42:18] <addshore>	 whoever last put them there :P
[18:42:23] <lbenedix>	 addbot adds them ;)
[18:42:35] <addshore>	 heh, used to
[18:42:38] <lbenedix>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Botstats&diff=480195070&oldid=480142486
[18:42:42] <addshore>	 that is when it was looking at the list of bots
[18:43:01] <addshore>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bots/Status
[18:43:26] <addshore>	 as it reorganised that page it will have counter the bots in the sections and sucked them into the Botstats template
[18:46:13] <lbenedix>	 okay thanks a lot
[18:46:58] <lbenedix>	 counting the no of lines in Wikipedia:Bots/Status/inactive_bots_1, Wikipedia:Bots/Status/inactive_bots_2 and Wikipedia:Bots/Status/active_bots is the trick
[19:07:42] <XndrK>	 Does Wikidata have a JSON interface?
[19:07:50] <XndrK>	 And if so, how do I access it?
[19:08:10] <XndrK>	 !admin see above
[19:08:34] <JohnLewis>	 XndrK: Please do not use the stalk word in that way. Thank you.
[19:08:37] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE ^
[19:09:12] <XndrK>	 JohnLewis: Pardon?
[19:10:20] <XndrK>	 Nevermind. Is there a Wikidata API that uses JSON?
[19:13:24] <XndrK>	 Pardon, is there a Wikidata JSON API?
[19:14:05] <XndrK>	 Because I want to make a find-city-info app using it.
[19:18:27] <legoktm>	 XndrK: yeah, one sec
[19:18:28] <legoktm>	 XndrK: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php
[19:18:30] <legoktm>	 if you want JSON, use &format=json
[19:22:36] <XndrK>	 so, how would I format it if I wanted, say, New York, New York?
[19:37:16] <XndrK>	 Hello?
[19:38:53] <legoktm>	 XndrK: sorry, what are you trying to do?
[19:40:08] <XndrK>	 I am making a small application in Python to get data for a city and print it.
[19:40:34] <XndrK>	 https://github.com/4of92000/city-data
[19:41:14] <legoktm>	 https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentities&titles=New%20York%20City&sites=enwiki&format=jsonfm
[19:41:59] <XndrK>	 thanks.
[19:59:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 031] "i18n/10n reviewed." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/108471 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[20:05:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Siebrand: [C: 04-1] "i18n/L10n reviewed." (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/108337 (owner: 10Bene)
[20:27:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/109230 (owner: 10L10n-bot)
[20:43:39] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: aroundish?
[20:44:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: hey
[20:45:02] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: James_F yesterday suggested it might be a good idea for us to be a top level product in Bugzilla as the current structure is a bit of a mess
[20:45:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: yes
[20:45:16] <hoo>	 I better thought I tell you that now, cause I'll probably forget until next week
[20:45:19] <hoo>	 ok
[20:45:24] <hoo>	 So I guess we need to poke andre
[20:45:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah but i'd like us to have a plan before doing that
[20:45:53] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and i didn't have time to do that yet
[20:45:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if you want to do it that'd be awesome
[20:46:23] <hoo>	 Already am packing enough work on /me for now over here... do we want a tracking bug?
[20:46:33] * hoo  wonders which product/component that would be :P

[20:51:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hehe
[20:51:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 not needed i think ;-)
[20:51:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: having a good time otherwise?
[20:53:12] <hoo>	 Lydia_WMDE: A bit jetlaged, but fine despite :)
[20:53:16] <hoo>	 Greetings from aude
[20:53:20] <aude>	 hi!
[20:53:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 hoo: ;-)
[20:53:38] * aude  escaped the snow :)

[20:53:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: hey!
[20:53:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: yay!
[20:54:48] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: henning might be interested in https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/html_templating
[20:55:05] <aude>	 if there is something there that can be of use for us
[20:55:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 k
[20:55:57] <aude>	 maybe discuss when we get back 
[20:56:26] <aude>	 fine to continue our own thing if we want
[20:57:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 did one of you take part in the session?
[20:57:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 then it makes sense to talk about it when you're back
[20:57:23] <aude>	 we all did
[20:57:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[20:58:04] <aude>	 basically listening but if this is of interest, then make sure what is decided would be useful for us
[20:58:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[20:59:26] <aude>	 also talked with manybubbles, although not sure how much detail we can go into here
[20:59:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 query?
[20:59:53] <aude>	 not yet
[20:59:56] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok
[21:00:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 send me a wrapup then later :)
[21:00:17] <aude>	 they'll want to port geodata to use elastic though
[21:00:25] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ok
[23:46:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS14) 10Hoo man: Introduce mw.wikibase.entity Lua library [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/107206 
[23:47:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Introduce mw.wikibase.entity Lua library [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/107206 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[23:52:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/107206 (owner: 10Hoo man)
[23:55:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS16) 10Hoo man: Implement mw.wikibase.entity.formatPropertyValues [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/107395 
[23:55:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Implement mw.wikibase.entity.formatPropertyValues [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/107395 (owner: 10Hoo man)