[09:58:25] <aharoni>	 aude: hi
[09:59:14] <aharoni>	 http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Rashidun appears to have interlanguage links from the live Wikidata and to the live Wikipedias.
[09:59:34] <aharoni>	 is it possible to do this from a local machine, for testing?
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[10:08:26] <multichill>	 aharoni: I'm pretty sure it's possible, my test wikidata instance has it.
[10:08:35] <multichill>	 But that one hasn't been updated for ages ;-)
[10:39:39] <lazowik>	 hi :)
[10:47:36] <GerardM->	 Hoi lazowik 
[10:47:45] <lazowik>	 hey GerardM-
[10:47:54] <GerardM->	 it is quite here (as usual when the devs are gone)
[10:48:32] <GerardM->	 am currently adding nationality to many USA women
[10:49:02] <GerardM->	 it is quite funny; it is a query that takes a long time the first time but can be run regularly
[10:49:10] <lazowik>	 heh
[10:49:49] <GerardM->	 am currently adding USA to over half of them
[10:50:06] <GerardM->	 17K versus 32K
[10:50:36] <GerardM->	 only on the women that are known to be human
[10:50:42] <GerardM->	 31 5
[10:59:15] <multichill>	 GerardM-: USA is missing on a lot of items
[11:05:15] <GerardM->	 multichill absolutely
[11:05:43] <GerardM->	 when I add date of death for people who died in 2014 I do not add USA because there are so many of the,m
[11:06:11] <GerardM->	 the question was asked how many Brazilians died..
[11:06:38] <GerardM->	 we knew about 21 now that all the Brazilians are known (to a large extend) the number more than doubled
[11:07:17] <GerardM->	 I have added loads of "instance of" "human" and it is a good basis to build upon
[16:03:48] <bthfan>	 hm...new wikidate game..I'm a bit sceptical
[16:04:02] <bthfan>	 "Country of citizenship These people have a birth place, but no country of citizenship (P27)."
[16:04:20] <JohnLewis>	 bthfan: If it turns out like the merge game, aren't we all.
[16:04:24] <bthfan>	 example why I'm sceptical, because of articles like this:
[16:04:26] <bthfan>	 "born on 21 December 1988 in Stockholm, Sweden) is a Swedish singer of Persian origin. "
[16:04:37] <bthfan>	 now, how many people will say he's Swedish?
[16:04:44] <bthfan>	 I dunno myself, but maybe he's Persian
[16:04:49] <bthfan>	 or Persian and Swedish
[16:05:17] <bthfan>	 citizenship can be a complicated topic
[16:05:25] <bthfan>	 not sure if a yes/no game it suitable for that
[16:06:01] <Krenair>	 Yeah, I've not gone near the citizenship property for this reason
[16:10:59] <diferrumtrioxide>	 Doesn't citizenship only depend on if a state acknowledges a person as its citizen? Even though different countries have different laws that apply, a multiple citizenship wouldn't be a problem, would it?
[16:12:26] <JohnLewis>	 Lydia_WMDE ^ Mind want to read the above
[16:13:25] <JohnLewis>	 bthfan: I've not looked at it yet, but because it goes 'They were born in Sweden', it assumes their country of citizenship is Swedish?
[16:13:31] <bthfan>	 but I think citizenship normally might require a bit of research
[16:13:51] <bthfan>	 err -normally
[16:14:04] <JohnLewis>	 :/
[16:14:16] <bthfan>	 JohnLewis: under normal circumstances, yes
[16:14:35] <bthfan>	 maybe that person additionally also has Persian citizenship 
[16:14:40] <JohnLewis>	 That is an inaccurate guess and for those who don't understand how we use that statement, they're going to be a lot of data to clean up.
[16:14:42] <bthfan>	 really depends on the laws in that country
[16:15:01] <bthfan>	 what I just found out: in the USA about 1 to 3% of people have dual citizenship
[16:15:07] <bthfan>	 (there are no exact numbers)
[16:15:26] <bthfan>	 so most entries will probably be correct I think..
[16:15:46] <JohnLewis>	 Indeed. But If they're Swedish by birth but they're CoC it now American, they's going to be a lot of inaccurate data which Wikipedias are going to pick up. We're already being challenged due to our accuracy, adding more to the mess it not helpful.
[16:15:59] <JohnLewis>	 *there is
[16:18:39] <diferrumtrioxide>	 Well, this would be a nice project for somebody who wants to play around with the new RDF… reason about different laws in different countries if a person would be (or be not) eligible for a certain citizenship
[16:29:20] <diferrumtrioxide>	 Regarding the "it's a mess already"-statement: "Correctness" might not be a good measure for the quality of the wikidata.
[16:31:12] <Krenair>	 diferrumtrioxide, countries don't always grant citizenship to people born there, do they?
[16:31:12] <JohnLewis>	 diferrumtrioxide: To be honest; We seem to have two definitions. The definition Wikidata uses and the definition Wikimedia in general uses. We fail to meet what Wikimedia in general calls 'quality' therefore the only use Wikidata has is sitelinks. That is only because we are forcing them on communities.
[16:32:33] <bthfan>	 Krenair: no, there are exceptions
[16:32:33] <Krenair>	 Lol
[16:32:34] <Krenair>	 So I just looked up the "exceptions"
[16:32:35] <Krenair>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
[16:32:57] <bthfan>	 for example (as I know about this one) if two American people (man/woman) have a baby in Germany
[16:33:05] <bthfan>	 it won't get the German citizenship
[16:33:16] <bthfan>	 but the US one instead
[16:33:24] <Krenair>	 That gives me the impression that most of the world does not give citizenship purely on the basis of being born in that country
[16:33:32] <bthfan>	 of course the Wikipedia article should know about this..
[16:33:39] <Krenair>	 and the countries that do give unconditional citizenship for it are the exceptions
[16:34:13] <diferrumtrioxide>	 No, most european countries for example use jus sanguinis
[16:34:39] <Krenair>	 No european country uses jus soli, per that article
[16:35:26] <bthfan>	 not sure what the game does when an article says "(... in bla, Germany) is an American actor"
[16:35:26] <diferrumtrioxide>	 well, germany doesn't and sweden doesn't as well. Haven't looked up the others yet
[16:35:53] <bthfan>	 ideally the person playing the game should recognize the problem if it then says German
[16:38:54] <diferrumtrioxide>	 Krenair: Sorry mis-parsed your sentence and added an imaginary comma behind "No"
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[21:18:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 James_F: +1 to your phabricator emails. i will reply with some wikidata stuff tomorrow. too late here to do it today. but you can use us as another extensive user of bugzilla :D
[21:32:11] <James_F>	 Lydia_WMDE: Sure. :-)
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