[00:00:26] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove usages of highly deprecated Property::newEmpty [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136499 [00:02:55] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136499 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [00:07:05] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136499 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [00:16:37] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove and deprecate code based on deprecated concepts [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136506 [00:18:25] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Remove silly not needed second argument [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136509 [00:20:18] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Improvements to method updateMockRepo [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136510 [00:22:37] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Pull down deprecated implementation in getEntityId [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136511 [00:23:33] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Replace not needed usage of deprecated method in newFromSerialization [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136512 [00:25:51] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136506 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [00:34:00] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136509 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [00:40:27] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136510 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [00:43:47] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136511 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [00:47:24] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Pull deprecated code down and add fixme [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136514 [00:47:38] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136512 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [00:53:53] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136514 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [01:00:24] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Add type hint and use current class name in DiffChange [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136515 [01:03:07] (03PS1) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Fix testNewFromContextForPageView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136516 [01:10:21] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136515 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [01:14:18] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136516 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [06:47:50] when a property has multiple values in Wikidata, do the values then automatically have an order? [06:48:17] oh doh, nevermind; given that there are "move up/down" buttons, I guess they have [08:28:41] Is there a bug for adding a second [add statement] button on top in addition to the one at bottom? [08:36:15] Nemo_bis: no and i'd be against this tbh given the current redesign work [08:41:24] Lydia_WMDE: link? [08:42:02] * Nemo_bis +1 anything that reduces JS and scrolling [08:42:06] nothing to show yet [08:42:16] ... [08:42:17] i will send links to mockups as they are online [08:42:40] then I'll file the bug anyway [08:43:03] please don't [08:43:13] i'll just have to close it [08:43:22] we already have enough clutter in the bugtracker [08:46:15] better than having clutter in mind [09:06:39] ideally yes [09:06:58] but right now we have 599 open bugs [09:07:08] that is borderline impossible to work with [09:07:52] (we'll have a working student starting on monday who will help with this as part of her job) [10:00:25] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 31/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136529 [10:08:55] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 032] "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136529 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:38:36] (03Abandoned) 10Addshore: New Wikidata Build - 28/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135755 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:38:38] (03Abandoned) 10Addshore: New Wikidata Build - 29/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136010 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [11:38:40] (03Abandoned) 10Addshore: New Wikidata Build - 30/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136294 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [12:38:49] Is there a bot that can find these things? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3185272&diff=135465081&oldid=135461796 [12:40:00] It's pretty annoying when you're searching. [14:51:06] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] New Wikidata Build - 31/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136529 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [14:54:06] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: New Wikidata Build - 31/05/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136529 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [14:57:28] (03CR) 10Hoo man: "re" (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/135776 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:16:51] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Improvements to method updateMockRepo [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136510 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:17:21] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Improvements to method updateMockRepo [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136510 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:18:47] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Code tweaks to change handler test [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136032 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:19:34] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Code tweaks to change handler test [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136032 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:19:55] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Remove some dead code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136034 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:20:22] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove some dead code [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136034 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:21:48] (03CR) 10Aude: [C: 032] Remove silly not needed second argument [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136509 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:22:15] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove silly not needed second argument [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136509 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [15:58:05] Hi I ve never looked into Wikidata before and I was curious if someone her could walk me through how it works. [15:58:30] I have an author on Wikisour and I know the VIAF [16:01:56] Hi BirgitteSB and welcome in Wikidata. Did you find your author's page on Wikidata ? [16:02:58] No. Not by searching their name. Can the VIAF be searched [16:03:41] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Mary_Lovett_Cameron [16:13:22] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136529 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder) [16:47:00] Is there any way to mark a position held as acting? [17:38:44] krenair ... if that is what you want, you make it a qualifier [17:55:48] Krenair, use the "preferred" rank [17:56:20] this is the 3 boxes on the left of the claim edit widget [19:09:20] (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: "Build Successful" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/136593 (owner: 10L10n-bot) [19:19:42] JohnLewis: when are you going to begin with the weekly summary? [19:20:38] sjoerddebruin: Why? :p [19:20:57] It's saturday here. :P [19:21:07] I need it :) [19:21:08] It's Saturday here too :p [19:22:17] legoktm: ping [19:22:26] Lydia_WMDE: ping [19:22:41] sjoerddebruin ^ Need both to respond if you want an optimal summary. [19:22:57] Ah. :) [19:23:21] If lego doesn't respond, Stryn can do some work, if Lydia doesn't then I'll just grab whatever Thiemo's done. [19:23:44] JohnLewis: not this time, I need to go sleep very soon :/ [19:24:02] Anyway, we have the seventeen-millionth plus two item and two requests for adminship. [19:24:03] Stryn: Well better get to work now then :D [19:24:21] no, better go to bed NOW :D [19:28:32] Lydia_WMDE: tweet more :p [19:29:42] Or give me access. :) [19:30:25] sjoerddebruin: She probably gave one of the Outreach interns access idk :p She probably decided to let them tweet for the week [19:30:57] You need to interact with users on Twitter. :) [19:32:12] I only interact with users where I can silence them if they annoy me :D [19:38:47] :O [19:40:20] sjoerddebruin: Do you? :p [19:44:12] sjoerddebruin: I can't link to the 17th million item :/ [19:44:23] "seventeen-millionth plus two item" [19:48:06] * JohnLewis words it differently [19:50:57] Yeah, it's sounding weird [20:01:30] Well... That's the summary probably not going out today.. [20:04:50] sjoerddebruin ^ [20:04:57] :( [20:05:26] The summary is just 'We hit 17 million items and two people are asking for admin... so... yeah.' [20:06:16] No properties with lego and no dev work over the past week without Lydia going through stuff xD [20:20:48] Does someone knows if the error with the value of the "geographic coordinate" property is a known issue? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3364308 [20:21:22] The diff looks good https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3364308&diff=prev&oldid=121715247 [20:21:36] Tpt: I think the general issue is known. Not sure about the specific issue though. [20:22:23] I don't understand what is the problem with this value serialization. Maybe the precision? [20:22:48] Precision yes. [20:22:57] Ask multichill about it, he knows. :) [20:23:14] sjoerddebruin: Thanks [20:23:42] Oh wait, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62105 ;) [20:29:44] is there some tool to find out if there is a connection between two items via instance of/subclass of in Wikidata? [20:30:01] or do I need to construct some smart API query for that, not sure if this is possible [20:30:52] like not only a direct connection, but also a connection where it goes "up" on branch in the class tree (can you call it like that) and then goes down another branch [20:32:12] in the end probably it would show me a connection via "entity" [20:32:27] (if there is no other) [20:38:46] JohnLewis: hey - sorry. working on dev part now [20:39:07] Lydia_WMDE: \o/ [20:39:15] sjoerddebruin: We might have a summary at last :p [20:39:22] :O [20:39:25] Before 00:00? [20:39:44] 00:00 my time? yes :D [20:39:48] ah http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/tree.html looks interesting, I'll try that for now [20:39:50] also my time. :) [20:40:03] No date specified ;) [20:41:00] JohnLewis: there is more on twitter too [20:41:02] events [20:41:03] Reedy: Don't tell them. I was going to use that as my way to publish it tomorrow :p [20:41:08] and updates for the wikidata game [20:41:20] Lydia_WMDE: Really? I saw nothing but the moaning about the merge game [20:41:30] heh [20:41:30] * JohnLewis looks again [20:42:17] * aude fixed bugs [20:42:30] attending wikiconference usa [20:42:46] we'll hack on wkidata stuff tomorrow [20:42:51] wikidata* [20:42:53] Lydia_WMDE: I see nothing on twitter :p [20:43:06] JohnLewis: Oo [20:43:17] https://twitter.com/wikidata [20:43:20] lots of stuff [20:43:33] There is Magnus a few 'Today is the birth date of Qxxxxx' and WikiConference USA. [20:43:46] right [20:44:06] we should mention some stats from the game imho [20:44:15] there are some on the stats page of it [20:44:29] and get people to look at the page that has all flagged items from it [20:44:58] Lydia_WMDE: Such as? 100% of merges via the game end up in a week long WD:PC discussion or 'every merge results in 1 hour of the game being disabled' or 'every merge you do, pisses the admins off even more' :D? [20:45:17] i would not word it like that ;-) [20:45:30] more like "we already found X dupes via the game" [20:45:32] ;-) [20:47:10] Lydia_WMDE: the swag was popular here :) [20:47:11] 'and 3 of those dupes were right!' :p [20:47:18] aude: \o/ [20:47:34] JohnLewis: hehe come on. we have found quite a lot of real ones [20:47:39] Yes. :) [20:47:54] Can't somebody compare the amounts of females and males with last week? [20:47:57] The Wikidata Game is good, the merge part of it, not so much. I mean, RfD has reached over 1k deletion requests twice this week :p [20:48:11] i know it isn't perfect, yeah [20:48:27] sjoerddebruin: the game says how many have been tagged with it no? [20:48:35] Hm [20:48:37] sorry - compiling dev part still [20:49:03] as in http://xkcd.com/303/ [20:49:32] JeroenDeDauw: precisely :P [20:49:49] JeroenDeDauw: When was the last time you added your development work to the Google Doc? :p [20:50:11] 144,769 items have genders now. :) [20:50:36] JohnLewis: idk, been sorta mostly on holiday for quite some time ;p [20:50:39] Right brb :p [20:50:55] sjoerddebruin: pretty good [20:51:06] JeroenDeDauw: I see. laziness or an actual holiday? [20:51:37] JohnLewis: I'm always lazy, though not always on holiday. Does that answer your question? [20:51:40] Lydia_WMDE: 40.65% done. :) [20:51:52] JeroenDeDauw: it does actually :p [20:51:55] sjoerddebruin: 50% is the next goal? :D [20:52:05] Number of persons is always growing. :/ [20:52:15] JeroenDeDauw: aude: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next#Development <- anything to add? [20:52:52] Can't wait for the mockups. :) [20:52:58] sjoerddebruin: me too! :P [20:53:41] it's taking long but we've done a lot of preparation work [20:53:47] so hopefully the result will be good [20:53:55] Lydia_WMDE: looks like everything [20:54:01] aude: cool [20:54:14] Lydia_WMDE: well, tagged the 1.0 rels of both new serialization components [20:54:31] JeroenDeDauw: hah! that should be in [20:54:45] is there anything to link to? [20:55:02] if anyone wants my slides, http://filbertkm.github.io/slides/ :) [20:55:10] JohnLewis: ^ [20:55:44] didn't get to setup entity suggester on demo system due to crappy wifi [20:55:52] too bad [20:56:13] aude: seen my email and chris' reply about production for it? [20:56:19] shall still do that next few days [20:56:26] Lydia_WMDE: yes [20:56:28] k [20:56:41] JeroenDeDauw: anything linkable? [20:56:43] that might be optimistic... means having it ready on thursday for test.wikidata [20:56:44] aude: aaaaah, I was expecting some awesome JS slides, but it's a PDFs! [20:57:06] but definitely priority, should puppetize it and start to get it ready [20:57:18] and maybe it be ready that quick [20:57:24] aude: i know :/ but i needed to push them otherwise we'll not get it done before the end of june and then the students are gone [20:57:28] * aude nods [20:57:33] Lydia_WMDE: sure [20:57:34] http://bit.ly/18EM1la [20:57:45] JeroenDeDauw: evil! [20:57:46] need to add the table on wkidata, although something me or hoo or reedy can do [20:57:54] k [20:58:10] JeroenDeDauw: then you'll need to add it yourself :P [20:58:16] i suppose start on beta [20:58:21] yeah [20:58:51] Lydia_WMDE: guess you can link the readmes [20:58:55] https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseInternalSerialization/blob/master/README.md [20:59:00] https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModelSerialization/blob/master/README.md [20:59:05] k [20:59:06] thx [20:59:25] Lydia_WMDE: So, what am I adding? :p I've got the slides and the 'Merge games causes more deaths than births' (;)) anything else? [20:59:51] JohnLewis: haha anything noteworthy on the mailinglist still? [20:59:56] * Lydia_WMDE adds JeroenDeDauw's stuff [21:00:15] phoebe mentioned the game here [21:00:23] and is enthusiastic about wikidata [21:00:27] There is nothing notewrothy on the mailinglist. Ever :p [21:00:33] Plus if there is, I usually star it. [21:00:53] and ban the user for breaking the lists guideline ;) [21:01:00] aude: \o/ [21:01:02] JohnLewis: lol [21:01:10] * Lydia_WMDE hands JohnLewis a kitten for fluff [21:01:36] * Lydia_WMDE looks at mailing list [21:01:39] * JohnLewis bans kitten@* from posting but allows kitten@wikimedia.de :p [21:01:47] :) [21:01:50] :P [21:02:09] JohnLewis: did we already link to the rfc on meta about data sets? [21:02:10] I might ban myself and see how that works out xD [21:02:25] No! I forgot that actually. I need to add that [21:02:36] :) [21:02:58] ok that's the only thing of interest i can see atm [21:03:12] there is the long thread about the purpose of properties [21:03:15] but... [21:03:26] JohnLewis: ohhhhh tours! [21:03:41] linking to the project chat post by bene? [21:03:46] Sure [21:03:51] :) [21:03:52] there's the preview gadget [21:04:01] bene* has made improvements [21:04:07] oh? [21:04:08] is this a meeting? [21:04:19] * aude gets link [21:04:25] jeremyb_: yes the cabal is conspirating. please shush :P [21:04:26] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-Preview.js#New_version_of_this_gadget [21:04:32] if people can try and give feedback [21:04:54] how's medicine in wikidata? [21:05:17] jeremyb_: I don't think Wikidata is a tested medicine yet :p [21:05:22] :) [21:05:31] lol [21:05:39] it should be! [21:05:45] the game is pretty relaxing [21:05:53] meditative even [21:05:54] heh [21:06:08] Lydia_WMDE: i think you don't understand what it takes to get FDA approval... [21:06:25] jeremyb_: as long as someone else (TM) does it... [21:06:27] aude and I are in http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/Submissions:Wikipedia,_Medicine_and_Language [21:06:39] hehe [21:29:13] Spam! [21:29:30] sjoerddebruin: Where? I'll block the user behind it :p [21:29:37] yummy [21:29:43] John F. Lewis, he's such a troll [21:29:59] Ugh. https://www.dropbox.com/s/xy0mxe5mveelmju/Screenshot%202014-05-31%2023.29.57.png [21:30:00] also: http://cheezburger.com/8204896768 [21:31:28] :D [21:31:48] :) [21:32:39] Lydia_WMDE: wtf, you like spam? [21:32:51] jeremyb_: i never said that! :D [21:32:56] 31 21:29:37 < Lydia_WMDE> yummy [21:33:04] I only like spam if it's in a can. :D [21:33:11] ;-) [21:33:12] * Lydia_WMDE goes and watches another episode of Suits [21:33:40] Lydia_WMDE: that's based in NYC. you should just /come to/ NYC... [21:34:21] :P [21:34:23] i should [21:34:54] ooh [21:34:55] ty Lydia_WMDE [21:35:02] ? [21:35:06] I've 6 episodes to catch up on [21:35:09] haha [21:35:15] I hate the way US series' just stop and start [21:35:15] i have a whole season [21:35:17] mid season [21:42:36] Reedy: could you comment on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/133991 ? [21:42:50] err, whoops [21:42:52] wrong one [21:43:04] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/133982 [21:43:19] just because i saw you here :) [21:43:22] * jeremyb_ runs away [21:43:36] lolololol [21:45:45] sjoerddebruin: I think the fix will be deployed this week [21:45:55] multichill: Should be nice. [21:46:08] The bug was marked as fixed earlier this week [21:53:55] Hmph. Merge.js failed to request deletion due to edit conflict. [21:54:29] Wasn't aware section=new did conflict checking [22:01:29] I can't add the damn request manually either. wow. [22:11:23] Actually this might be https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64237 since the conflict is apparently with an edit that is the exact opposite of my diff (before it's been saved) [22:23:46] Eventually managed it via the API. [22:40:35] Okay, now I can't use the API to send my deletion requests either. wtf. [22:51:48] and why is http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/ not showing much more than the title?