[00:03:48] <duh>	 Have we considered linking mw.o to Wikidata?
[00:04:24] <duh>	 I'm wondering whether it would be better to install Wikibase on mw.o itself or whether it should just use wikidata.org as the repo.
[00:05:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Reduce loading spinner toggle to a single 'loading' CSS class name [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/123298 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[00:11:30] <legoktm>	 Lydia_WMDE: ^^ ?
[06:39:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 duh: i don't have plans for it being a repo itself so far
[06:39:36] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i do have plans for it being a client
[06:40:29] <jeremyb>	 how is support for non-wmf clients atm?
[06:40:40] <jeremyb>	 e.g. will they show site links at wikidata.org?
[06:42:02] <legoktm>	 Lydia_WMDE: ok. is there a timeline for that?
[06:42:33] <legoktm>	 (and, how can I help bump up that timeline ;-))
[06:44:41] <legoktm>	 my main motivation is to write some new features for Special:ExtensionDistributor which either require hacky parsing of wikitext or sane data access :D
[06:45:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 legoktm: heh i did not make a timeline for it yet. care to send me a nagging email? then i'll look into it when i am back in the office in a week
[06:45:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jeremyb: no support atm
[06:45:44] <legoktm>	 ok :P
[06:45:52] <jeremyb>	 Lydia_WMDE: how is it tracked?
[06:46:27] <legoktm>	 are there any non-wmf clients?
[06:46:33] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jeremyb: there are no non-wmf clients at this point so there is nothing to track ;-)  and tbh that is not anywhere near the top of my list atm
[06:46:52] <Lydia_WMDE>	 too much other stuff to do before that
[06:46:54] <jeremyb>	 seriously? i think it's definitely worth a tracking bug
[06:47:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we might have a tracking bug. i don't know. but really it's nothing we'll look into anytime soon unfortunately
[06:49:19] <jeremyb>	 :/
[06:53:10] <legoktm>	 Lydia_WMDE: mail sent
[06:53:19] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :)
[08:31:13] <comets>	 getting "invalid token" while trying to link pages..is it normal?
[08:32:40] <comets>	 "An unexpected error occurred: $1"
[08:32:57] <comets>	 so they charge a dollar now for a wikidata link? :P
[08:42:20] <eptalon>	 hello, I would like to report a problem with adding a wikidata link from a wikipedia.
[08:43:10] <eptalon>	 where can I post a picture that describes the prob?
[08:46:54] <Stryn>	 comets, eptalon it's a known issue
[08:47:51] <comets>	 so can i get my $1 back from wikidata's paypal account now? :P
[08:48:28] <Stryn>	 indeed :P
[08:52:00] <eptalon>	 Stryn: invalid token:$1 ?
[08:52:21] <Stryn>	 eptalon: yes, it will be fixed on Monday
[08:54:04] <eptalon>	 ok.
[08:54:15] <eptalon>	 And how do I add interwiki links till then?
[08:54:42] <comets>	 lay-by..
[08:56:40] * Stryn late
[10:00:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 07/09/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158924 
[10:09:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] New Wikidata Build - 07/09/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158924 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[10:16:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10WikidataJenkins: [V: 04-1] "Build Failed" [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158924 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[10:28:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS1) 10Bene: Fix ViewEntityActionTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158925 
[10:30:32] <benestar>	 JeroenDeDauw, aude: Can you quick merge this fix? --^
[10:30:54] <benestar>	 so lets see if jenkins works and then merge it because otherwise our master will be broken :/
[10:31:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Fix ViewEntityActionTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158925 (owner: 10Bene)
[10:32:41] <sjoerddebruin>	 Aargh, people reporting the invalid token-thing on three different pages!
[10:33:30] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: They got it on three different items! ;-)
[10:33:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 :/
[10:33:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Bene: Fix ViewEntityActionTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158925 
[10:37:40] <Stryn>	 sjoerddebruin: and also here, in IRC :)
[10:37:50] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ugh.
[10:38:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 I always add sitelinks on Wikidata, no problems for me. ;)
[10:44:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Bene: [C: 032] "Sorry guys for this self-merge but the failing test is really annoying and this change isn't critical in any way. Hope nobody will kill me" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158925 (owner: 10Bene)
[10:45:28] * sjoerddebruin kills benestar 
[10:47:19] <benestar>	 :O
[10:53:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix ViewEntityActionTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158925 (owner: 10Bene)
[10:54:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS11) 10Bene: Reduce loading spinner toggle to a single 'loading' CSS class name [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/123298 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[10:54:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Bene: Introduce EntityParserOutputGenerator [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158631 
[10:54:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS9) 10Bene: Introduce EntityParserOutputGeneratorFactory [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158641 
[10:56:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Bene: Handle other projects sidebar more nicely if not in parser cache [WIP] [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158879 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/70482) (owner: 10Aude)
[10:58:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Bene: Refactor EntityParserOutput out of EntityView [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/155287 (owner: 10Bene)
[11:01:48] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/b5cf71f : Bene The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/34627480
[11:03:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Addshore: New Wikidata Build - 06/09/2014 10:00 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158857 (owner: 10WikidataBuilder)
[12:31:04] <Giftzwerg>	 @Stryn: Die wogen sin z. Zt. hoch bezgl. WMDE
[12:31:26] * hoo waves... back in Germany
[12:31:39] <Stryn>	 Giftzwerg?
[12:32:09] <Stryn>	 (bad Google translate)
[12:32:16] <Giftzwerg>	 hi! ich meine die Foundation steht ziemlich unter beschuss
[12:33:42] <Giftzwerg>	 @sorry i notice i thougt you were someone else, so you can foget all I wrote before.
[12:34:30] <Stryn>	 Giftzwerg: ok, no problem :)
[12:35:02] <Giftzwerg>	 i mixed it up with a member of WMDE staff
[12:36:40] <Giftzwerg>	 i remember, your language is Finnish
[12:37:24] <Stryn>	 yeah :)
[12:38:11] <comets>	 is Stryn, Roosa?
[12:38:31] <Stryn>	 comets: what? my name is not Roosa :)
[12:39:24] <comets>	 there was a finnish techie on irc before, roosa (a.k.a jack phoenix), tho it was u , my bad..:p
[12:39:24] <Giftzwerg>	 i used a very indirect  hint, so google translate will be lost  in time and space
[12:39:36] <Nick_K>	 Hi, is there anyone here who knows how to deal with interwiki badges?
[12:39:53] <Giftzwerg>	 strryn is admin on wikidata
[12:40:12] <Nick_K>	 We have a problem in ukwiki, as those badges are incorrectly displayed in vector (wrong icons) and do not seem to be displayed in monobook at all
[12:40:42] <Stryn>	 benestar: ^
[12:41:11] <hoo>	 Nick_K: You can overwrite them in your common.js ... benestar can tell you how to, if he's around
[12:42:14] <Nick_K>	 benestar has done some edits, and since then it seems to work incorrectly
[12:43:09] <hoo>	 Nick_K: The icons changed to icons now provided by the software
[12:43:17] <hoo>	 but that can be overwrite, if desired
[12:43:29] <Nick_K>	 hoo: we do have a community consensus to overwrite them
[12:44:02] <Nick_K>	 although no one even told us that this will be changed!
[12:44:59] <benestar>	 Nick_K https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Badges#Requests_for_different_icons
[12:45:11] <benestar>	 for monobook, there's a patch waiting to get deployed
[12:47:53] <Nick_K>	 benestar: added ukwiki to the list, when will it be deployed?
[12:48:11] <Nick_K>	 concerning monobook, do I understand correctly that stars are not displayed at all at the moment?
[12:48:24] <Nick_K>	 (I mean badges are not displayed)
[12:50:41] <benestar>	 Nick_K well, perhaps ukwiki belongs to one of the wikis which have some evil css in their Common.css
[12:50:48] <benestar>	 which overrides our badge styles
[12:51:18] <benestar>	 in the patch we will also catch those evil cases but you can fix it on ukwiki yourself if you're an admin there
[12:51:32] <Nemo_bis>	 benestar: can you confirm that if the <a> element of an interwiki link with badge were copied to the ULS dialog then badges would be correctly displayed as well? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64797
[12:51:49] <Nick_K>	 benestar: I am an admin there, but I want to know what to fix
[12:52:23] * benestar is looking
[12:53:08] <benestar>	 Nick_K see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AMonobook.css&diff=623863014&oldid=620385871 for the fix
[12:53:45] <benestar>	 hmm, no.
[12:53:51] <benestar>	 badges don't rely on the <a> element
[12:54:13] <benestar>	 they just a list-style-icon to an element so they rely rather on the <li> element
[12:54:47] <Nick_K>	 benestar: https://uk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AMonobook.css
[12:54:54] <Nick_K>	 should I remove all three portlets?
[12:55:03] <Nick_K>	 two of them are our custom icons
[12:55:30] <Nick_K>	 please implement those through wikidata, and we would be able to remove them
[12:56:17] <Nick_K>	 but then, however, we have to have some place to define those badges for Link_GA and Link_FA templates
[12:56:57] <Giftzwerg>	 there are additional badges on dewii: informative Liste, informatives Portal. I can´t choose these
[12:57:22] <Giftzwerg>	 dewii= dewiki
[12:58:05] <Nemo_bis>	 benestar: oh, only the li; ok
[13:00:19] <Giftzwerg>	 the cions for featured articles look very differnt in dewiki too, but this is just kosmetics, does not affect the functionality.
[13:04:32] <Nick_K>	 benestar: so could you please tell what we have to fix in our Monobook.css?
[13:41:27] <benestar>	 Nick_K may I do it for you?
[13:41:48] <benestar>	 .portlet li {
[13:41:48] <benestar>	   list-style-image: url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Monobook-bullet.png");
[13:41:48] <benestar>	 }
[13:42:10] <Nick_K>	 just this?
[13:42:53] <Nick_K>	 then we have to do sth with li.FA and li.GA, right?
[13:43:12] <Nick_K>	 benestar: you can do it if you have rights for it
[13:44:03] <benestar>	 Nick_K done :)
[13:44:32] <benestar>	 see https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%BD?useskin=monobook eg
[13:44:52] <benestar>	 Nick_K well, you can also remove the other styles, they are useless now
[13:45:18] <benestar>	 Giftzwerg other badges will come later
[13:45:24] * benestar thinks there are some bugs on bugzilla for that
[13:46:04] <Nick_K>	 benestar: now it looks like a mess
[13:46:23] <benestar>	 in what way?
[13:46:56] <Nick_K>	 there is a Link_FA- added badge for skwiki (synchronisation error), displayed as a puzzle with a caption in Ukrainian that this badge corresponds to a featured article
[13:47:16] <Nick_K>	 and there are stars for other wikis (instead of our customised images) without any captions
[13:47:42] * benestar is confused
[13:47:48] <Nick_K>	 benestar: do you observe the same?
[13:48:15] <Nick_K>	 same for vector
[13:49:59] <benestar>	 Nick_K the syncronasiation error is only temporary as Amir will remove the badge templates once they are imported if you wiki wishes that
[13:50:42] <Nick_K>	 yes, but... why link_FA-generated badges are customised and wikidata-generated are not?
[13:50:47] <benestar>	 you can edit the caption on wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17437798
[13:51:08] <benestar>	 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17437796
[13:51:26] <benestar>	 obviously there is no translation yet
[13:51:48] <Nick_K>	 is this the caption or the name of the badge?
[13:52:03] <benestar>	 the label of the badge item is used as the caption of the badge 
[13:52:27] <Nick_K>	 our caption says "This article is featured in another Wikipedia" - will this work?
[13:53:06] <Nick_K>	 benestar: should I put translations to the name or to the description?
[13:56:08] <Nick_K>	 ok, I found how it works
[13:56:35] <Nick_K>	 benestar: the remaining problem is that link_FA added badges are customised, while wikidata-added are not, which is confusing
[13:57:14] <Nick_K>	 moreover, gold and brown stars are even more confusing, as our FA colour is right in between, those people will identify any of these stars with FA
[13:57:30] <Nick_K>	 (GA colour is blue, nothing to do with both of these stars)
[16:19:34] <Stryn>	 sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=156196302
[16:19:57] <Stryn>	 one more 
[16:20:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh great.
[16:20:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 Some people need to READ.
[16:21:07] <hoo>	 ...
[16:21:44] <hoo>	 that will be fixed tomorrow
[16:22:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yes.
[16:35:56] <Nemo_bis>	 Some people need to EDIT
[16:47:00] <sjoerddebruin>	 IM VERY BUSAY
[16:55:02] <lazowik>	 hey :)
[17:05:11] <Nick_K_>	 NICK Nick_K
[17:05:27] <Nick_K_>	 oops, typo, sorry
[18:13:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Alex Monk: "Why didn't you just make a separate mw.Api object for the repo wiki?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/158599 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[18:24:59] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE hey, are you around? or still on vacation? ;)
[18:45:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: i am around but on vacation :)
[18:45:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 wasup?
[18:47:09] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE https://twitter.com/putnik/status/507416436763926528
[18:47:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: uff that needs closer looking at than i am capable of atm :P
[18:47:57] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i can when back in the office
[18:48:06] <benestar>	 ok, have some nice days ;)
[18:48:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ;-)K
[18:48:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it's pretty awesome
[18:48:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we just made pancakes in the shape of a K and a bunny
[18:48:28] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[19:43:41] <Krenair>	 Does the "Other projects sidebar" beta feature have any affect on wikidata.org itself?
[19:47:42] <multichill>	 Krenair: I'm still wondering how this mysterious new feature will look ;-)
[19:48:28] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: Having a good holiday? :P
[19:48:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 multichill: absolutely ;-) having a blast
[19:48:54] <Krenair>	 multichill, have you not seen it?
[19:49:09] <multichill>	 Guess not, where can I see it?
[19:49:35] <multichill>	 Oh, right, it's in beta now
[19:50:12] <multichill>	 Oh shit, I hope that doesn't cause a huge mess with the local gadget
[19:50:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 No.
[19:50:43] <multichill>	 I do see double now
[19:50:58] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh?
[19:51:16] <sjoerddebruin>	 Right, I see.
[19:51:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 Could be worser. <3
[19:51:44] <multichill>	 https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarlem for example
[19:51:59] <multichill>	 We should probably disable that piece of js when this feature goes live
[19:52:04] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yes.
[19:54:18] <multichill>	 Krenair: It's exactly the same as our local gadget we had enabled by default for years, but now with proper i18n and data stored in a central location
[19:54:25] <multichill>	 You won't hear me complaining ;-)
[19:55:09] <Krenair>	 multichill, this doesn't really answer my question about what turning the betafeature on on wikidata.org actually changes
[19:55:44] * multichill has an iea
[19:55:46] <multichill>	 *idea
[19:56:42] <multichill>	 Krenair: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat <- I would expect a link to the Commons village pump here
[19:57:01] <multichill>	 So I guess it's not fully functional/broken for Wikidata
[19:59:10] <multichill>	 Owh, I guess it's only enabled in certain namespaces
[20:02:36] <Krenair>	 I would expect the "Other projects" list to show on wikidata's Main Page when the betafeature is enabled, but it isn't shown
[20:03:15] <multichill>	 Main Page on wikidata is in ns:4 if I recall correctly Krenair
[20:04:09] <Krenair>	 Yes it is... Should that stop it from showing?
[20:04:45] <multichill>	 Assumption
[20:04:52] <multichill>	 That it isn't enabled in ns:4
[20:05:02] <multichill>	 But I would have to look at the code to be sure
[20:08:20] <multichill>	 Krenair: Posted question at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Beta_Features/Other_projects_sidebar
[20:10:12] <aude>	 multichill: there is a bug when $wgEnableSidebarCache = true
[20:10:18] <aude>	 as is case on wikidata :(
[20:10:26] <multichill>	 also on Commons?
[20:10:32] <aude>	 probably
[20:10:41] <aude>	 does it have collections extension enabled there ?
[20:10:56] <aude>	 it so happens that if collections is enabled, then no sidebar cache
[20:11:12] <aude>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70234
[20:12:06] <aude>	 we will deploy fix tomorrow
[20:31:54] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/master/d4ca9df : Translation updater bot The build is still failing. http://travis-ci.org/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikibase/builds/34654438