[02:40:11] <harej>	 James_F|Away: I found the list of place names. Same person as the one who went to your uni: https://twitter.com/libbycwatson/status/511230297686687744
[05:25:33] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: ohnoez https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/issues/174#issuecomment-57096389
[05:25:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 That evil benestar|cloud 
[08:07:04] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: Guten Tag. I am assuming "SWE" is some kind of conference or your relocated to Sweden :°
[08:08:31] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: haha
[08:08:45] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 no - it's SoftWareEngineering
[08:08:59] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 there's another tobias in the office
[08:09:40] <hashar>	 :-D
[08:09:52] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: anyway I have installed the Jenkins Performance plugin
[08:10:16] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: great!
[08:10:19] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 thx
[08:11:31] <hashar>	 and we can probably apply it on some other jobs
[08:11:59] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: I think I need to re-update the job..
[08:12:35] <hashar>	 probably
[08:12:56] <hashar>	 is the idea to migrate all Jenkins jobs from the wdjenkins instance to the Wikimedia jenkins?
[08:12:59] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 I think jjb just skipped the "performance" publisher whuile the plugin was not installed
[08:13:05] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: yes
[08:13:36] <hashar>	 JJB generates the job configuration file as XML and send it to server.  Any unrecognized section is ignored by Jenkins
[08:13:45] <hashar>	 it might even discard them :/
[08:14:03] <hashar>	 do you have write access on the wmf jenkins?
[08:16:01] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: yes
[08:16:11] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 I think so since I've added jobs there
[08:16:30] <hashar>	 great
[08:17:21] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/9DRy1A
[08:17:21] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 1436237f8 15snaterlicious: Updated naming
[08:17:24] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: I re-updated the job, but it seems it was skipped again, don't see the post-build action on jenkins: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/BrowserTests/view/Wikidata/job/browsertests-WikidataPerformance-wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org-linux-firefox-sauce/configure
[08:17:31] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06fingerprint: 02http://git.io/pcyZYg
[08:17:31] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 149f41fb2 15snaterlicious: Compare hash in Reference.equals
[08:17:37] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 probably I have to delete and add the job again
[08:17:48] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: I probably need to restart jenkins
[08:17:52] <hashar>	 some plugins only load on start
[08:17:54] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 could be
[08:18:02] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 will try a bit later, have a meeting now
[08:18:10] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 can you restart in the meantime?
[08:18:23] <hashar>	 will restart it right now
[08:18:31] <hashar>	 the conf is in the XML  at least https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/BrowserTests/view/Wikidata/job/browsertests-WikidataPerformance-wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org-linux-firefox-sauce/jobConfigHistory/configOutput?type=xml&timestamp=2014-09-26_09-07-23 :]
[08:18:36] <hashar>	 <publishers>
[08:18:36] <hashar>	 <hudson.plugins.performance.PerformancePublisher>
[09:05:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 W00t, people who fix their own mess. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ghuron
[09:05:30] <sjoerddebruin>	 Dereckson: ^
[09:08:34] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: ok, job is configured now
[09:08:38] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 but failing: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/BrowserTests/view/Wikidata/job/browsertests-WikidataPerformance-wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org-linux-firefox-sauce/9/console
[09:08:45] <hashar>	 :(
[09:08:59] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 although there is the junit report: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/view/BrowserTests/view/Wikidata/job/browsertests-WikidataPerformance-wikidata.beta.wmflabs.org-linux-firefox-sauce/ws/log/junit/
[09:09:15] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 not sure why the performance plugin does not find it
[09:09:38] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: some bad quoting
[09:09:44] <hashar>	 the $WORKSPACE is not expanded
[09:10:20] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: uh
[09:10:22] <hashar>	 the path is relative to the workspace root so you can just specify:  'log/junit/*.xml'
[09:10:34] <hashar>	 some plugins do support variable expansions, some other do not :/
[09:20:35] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: works now \o/
[09:20:37] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 thx!
[09:21:58] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: announce it on QA list :-]
[09:22:15] <hashar>	 I am sure zeljkof / chris mcmahon will find a use case for the other browser test jobs
[09:26:44] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: announce the plugin?
[09:27:02] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: yup with a link to the above job as a show case :]
[09:27:09] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 hashar: ok
[09:35:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS12) 10Lucie Kaffee: [WIP] Add examples to ParseValue [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162859 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69739) 
[09:38:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS13) 10Lucie Kaffee: [WIP] Add examples to ParseValue [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162859 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69739) 
[10:17:04] <DanielK_WMDE>	 re
[10:18:00] <DanielK_WMDE>	 aude, Lydia_WMDE: back from  the dentist. i'm online & working now for about two hours. haver to pick up my youngest after that.
[10:18:05] <DanielK_WMDE>	 let me know if there's anything urgent
[10:18:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE: you survived! \o/
[10:18:27] <Lydia_WMDE>	 nothing urgent from my side atm
[10:18:47] <DanielK_WMDE>	 yea... she told me i'll need two more sessions though. ugh.
[10:18:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but if you have some time to look at amir's email about the special page that might be good
[10:19:04] <DanielK_WMDE>	 i'll check it out.
[10:19:14] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool
[10:19:17] <aude>	 special page?
[10:19:19] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: shall we get that "that would be good" meme going? 
[10:19:29] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[10:19:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: on wikidata-tech from a few days ago
[10:20:05] <aude>	 which amir? :)
[10:20:15] <Lydia_WMDE>	 the bot amir
[10:20:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ;-)
[10:20:30] <aude>	 i see
[10:20:45] <aude>	 there are pros and cons of using QueryPage
[10:20:56] <aude>	 if daniel can answer, great
[10:21:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 k
[10:22:20] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: i think this one could become a favorite: http://makeameme.org/meme/yeah-if-you-3qucm0
[10:22:34] <Lydia_WMDE>	 haha
[10:22:38] <Lydia_WMDE>	 definitely
[10:22:44] <aude>	 :D
[10:22:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: ^ please print
[10:24:44] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 7 new commits to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/FrlQCg
[10:24:44] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14e24571f 15snaterlicious: Implemented StatementGroupSerializer/Unserializer
[10:24:44] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 1494e76e3 15snaterlicious: Implemented StatementGroupSetSerializer/Unserializer
[10:24:44] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 1492e2b36 15snaterlicious: Updated EntitySerializer/Unserializer
[10:24:59] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModelJavascript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06fingerprint: 02http://git.io/sUYCJw
[10:24:59] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModelJavascript/06fingerprint 1424ff846 15snaterlicious: Added Entity.isEmpty and Entity.equals abstract members
[10:37:48] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introduce usage tracking service. (034 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[10:40:31] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/fGW4jA
[10:40:31] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14ca1e4c8 15snaterlicious: Renamed *Unserializer to *Deserializer
[10:42:28] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS14) 10Lucie Kaffee: Add examples to ParseValue [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162859 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69739) 
[10:48:22] <Lydia_WMDE>	 last chance to add something to the weekly summary covering the last two weeks: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next
[10:49:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add examples to ParseValue [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162859 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69739) (owner: 10Lucie Kaffee)
[10:59:22] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE: bene would like input on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70229 when you have time
[11:14:13] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: got stuck on a "simple follow-up" :/
[11:14:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 np
[11:25:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: if you could fix KDE to work with printers, that'd be great
[11:25:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: shush :P
[11:26:00] <Lydia_WMDE>	 printers work flawlessly
[11:26:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :P
[11:26:28] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: but KDE does not?
[11:26:41] <Lydia_WMDE>	 haha
[11:26:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 it does!
[11:26:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 mostly
[11:31:20] <DanielK_WMDE>	 Lydia_WMDE: where'S that mail from Amir? I don't see it
[11:32:17] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE: 4 days ago to wikidata-tech
[11:32:32] <Lydia_WMDE>	 "Incorrect build for Special:UnconnectedPages"
[11:34:18] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 3 new commits to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/972e1w
[11:34:18] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14f140d30 15snaterlicious: Split off DeserializerFactory from SerializerFactory
[11:34:18] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14e68e105 15snaterlicious: Removed useless options from Serializer/Deserializer
[11:34:18] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14db5e20d 15snaterlicious: Removed pointless documentation
[11:42:46] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 1 new commit to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/tSVf9w
[11:42:46] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14267b3d0 15snaterlicious: Updated wikibase.serialization ResourceLoader module
[11:43:29] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious 04force-pushed 06multilingualunserializer from 14267b3d0 to 148ef92e6: 02http://git.io/is_rIw
[11:43:29] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 148ef92e6 15snaterlicious: Updated wikibase.serialization ResourceLoader module
[11:49:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS10) 10Daniel Kinzler: Introduce usage tracking service. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) 
[11:55:48] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 2 new commits to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/s7DkSw
[11:55:48] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14a7dd67d 15snaterlicious: Narrowed down ResourceLoader module dependencies
[11:55:48] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 1475f2405 15snaterlicious: Check for SiteLink object in SiteLinkSerializer
[11:58:20] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS15) 10Lucie Kaffee: Add examples to ParseValue [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162859 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69739) 
[11:59:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Introduce usage tracking service. [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161477 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/64586) (owner: 10Daniel Kinzler)
[12:01:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS16) 10Lucie Kaffee: Add examples to ParseValue [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162859 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69739) 
[12:46:34] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: do you have any idea who maintains the wikidata-jenkinsXXX instances?
[12:46:47] <hashar>	 Tobi_WMDE_SWE: their puppet seems outdated / not working
[12:47:25] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 aude: ^^ ?
[12:47:26] <aude>	 hashar: they are to be killed soon
[12:47:44] <hashar>	 aude: well all your Jenkins jobs are running on them
[12:47:49] <aude>	 oh
[12:47:55] <aude>	 not wdjenkins
[12:47:57] <Tobi_WMDE_SWE>	 think these are the nodes
[12:48:08] <aude>	 addshore set them up
[12:48:22] <aude>	 i don't know if anyone maintains them :/
[12:49:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 DanielK_WMDE: thx re bene and amir
[12:49:48] <hashar>	 that is part of the Wikidata-build  project
[12:50:34] <aude>	 we put them there because that project has more capacity
[12:50:47] <aude>	 e.g. i need to keep begging for more resources for the wikidata-dev project
[12:50:54] <hashar>	 they all point to their local puppetmaster, I guess it is all about rebasing them
[12:51:26] <aude>	 they probably don't need local puppetmaster
[12:51:50] <aude>	 if they can be setup in the right way with the roles, etc
[12:51:55] <hashar>	 hopefully
[12:52:21] <hashar>	 will fill a bug and cc addshore
[12:52:25] <aude>	 ok
[12:55:09] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: to some extent we need https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70229 (generated from dump this time) in order to ensure pages using badges get purged when we deploy
[12:55:44] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: ok
[12:55:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 noted
[12:56:21] * aude has dump, so should be trivialish but maybe can keep in mind the bug
[12:56:50] <Lydia_WMDE>	 cool :)
[12:56:51] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and yes
[12:56:59] <aude>	 table will go on labs or such for now
[12:57:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 one way or another we need this to be queryable
[12:57:10] <aude>	 yep
[12:57:49] <hashar>	 aude: filled as https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71411 :)
[12:57:54] <aude>	 hashar: thanks
[12:58:27] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: please cc wikidata bugs ^
[12:58:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 k
[12:58:35] * aude forgets how to do that
[12:59:02] <hashar>	 feel free to triage the bug to another component :)
[12:59:10] <aude>	 component is ok
[12:59:36] <aude>	 as long as we are cc, but it's some secret thing to add wikidata bugs so lydia handles that
[13:00:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: hehe nothing secret tbh - you just need to type the whole address because autocompletion doesn't work for it
[13:00:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[13:00:15] <aude>	 yeah
[13:17:08] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/H2M-EQ
[13:17:08] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModel/06master 14011077b 15thiemowmde: Merge pull request #211 from wmde/statementdiff...
[13:24:39] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: nooooooooooooooooooooo
[13:24:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 You missed a weekly summary?!
[13:25:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: i know! terrible! 
[13:25:10] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: all that carefull numbering during the last 125 weeks, and now you mess it up!
[13:25:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: did you increment by 1 or by 2?
[13:25:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 ;-)
[13:25:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 1
[13:25:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 but but but
[13:26:03] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ok, how about a compomise? Increment by 1.5
[13:26:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: when are you back in le office?
[13:27:03] <Lydia_WMDE>	 lol
[13:27:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 tomorrow
[13:27:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: I can has your helps with the Wikibase presentation for SMWCon?
[13:28:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sure
[13:28:09] <JeroenDeDauw>	 weee \o/
[13:28:11] <Lydia_WMDE>	 what do you need?
[13:28:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 brainstorming?
[13:29:09] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: I'll rage to you tomorrow. Though if you got a pile of gold, then you can already be helpfull and hand that over
[13:29:18] <Lydia_WMDE>	 haha
[13:29:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 of course
[13:29:24] <Lydia_WMDE>	 i'll get right on it
[13:29:26] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtrichardson/4626549119/
[13:29:28] <aude>	 :D
[13:29:59] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Lydia_WMDE: look! aude is browsing cat pictures during working time! o_O
[13:30:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7313450/entropy/gif/aaaa.gif
[13:30:41] <aude>	 haha
[13:30:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: i am sure she has a stack available just like you ;-)
[13:33:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 puh! My stack is bigger!
[13:33:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 And it has a hamster being launched into low earth orbit in it
[13:35:42] <jzerebecki>	 JeroenDeDauw: oh so that ceiling cat in our office is an agent of yours...
[13:36:20] <JeroenDeDauw>	 jzerebecki: sssst
[13:36:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: benestar|cloud: jzerebecki: any reason to not tag DataModel 1.1.0?
[13:37:41] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: don't ask me. i'm just working here since today. ;-)
[13:38:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: still not through those emails. Such slack. Much lazy. Wow
[13:41:33] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/mrImag
[13:41:33] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModel/06master 14f7d9ae0 15jeroendedauw: Bump to 1.1
[13:42:39] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 1 new commit to 06statement_: 02http://git.io/WIaxgg
[13:42:39] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseDataModel/06statement_ 14961ece1 15Jeroen De Dauw: Update Statement.php
[13:44:10] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: This is a named constructor. Also, one can use this now, without getting any IDE warnings due to parameter mismatch. 02http://git.io/OAVZ7A
[13:45:10] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw tagged 061.1.0 at 06master: 02http://git.io/EryQEA
[13:50:01] <Lydia_WMDE>	 will be out for 30 mins or so - laters :)
[13:50:11] <aude>	 noooooooooo! :D
[13:50:35] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: This syntax means that _all_ parameters are optional now. But the first should not be optional, as it was before. 02http://git.io/fQuoag
[13:50:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: it'll be fine. I'll come back. I promise :P
[13:50:40] <aude>	 :)
[13:50:58] <aude>	 which reminds me, we have swat today
[13:53:00] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: That's a strange `@phpdoc` syntax, isn't it? What's wrong with `@param Snak|Claim $snak`? 02http://git.io/PiYbYA
[13:56:09] <jzerebecki>	 JeroenDeDauw: no objections to tagging DataModel 1.1.0 from me.
[13:58:11] <jzerebecki>	 though code coverage and patches from scrutinizer seem to have some easy parts that could be improved, not sure about the scrutinzer issues.
[13:58:43] <travis-ci>	 [travis-ci] wmde/WikibaseDataModel/1.1.0/f7d9ae0 : jeroendedauw The build passed. http://travis-ci.org/wmde/WikibaseDataModel/builds/36563360
[14:23:58] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious pushed 3 new commits to 06multilingualunserializer: 02http://git.io/8kzKMg
[14:23:58] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 1477f70b2 15snaterlicious: Added dedicated ItemSerializer/PropertySerializer
[14:23:58] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14a372151 15snaterlicious: Added dedicated ItemDeserializer/PropertyDeserializer
[14:23:58] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 145099f97 15snaterlicious: Revamped EntitySerializer/Deserializer mechanisms...
[15:19:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [C: 04-1] "I find the proposed solution a bit to strange. I may miss an important fact. Please explain if that's the case." (033 comments) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163351 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69536) (owner: 10Bene)
[15:41:06] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: Because you cannot choose for one parameter and than choose for the next one. The choice is between the groups of parameters.  02http://git.io/tBlHBw
[15:42:06] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15JeroenDeDauw comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: The first parameter is not necessarily a claim. So putting that in there is deceptive. 02http://git.io/RjrVGw
[15:42:48] <JeroenDeDauw>	 jzerebecki: huh?
[15:42:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: http://www.lieferando.de/lieferservice-world-of-pizza-berlin#!
[15:45:23] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: Still no reason to not require the first parameter via... 02http://git.io/pdjyJg
[15:46:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:46:40] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 processing...
[15:47:24] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: Greece Salat (5,90) + Gefüllte Pizzabrötchen (4,49). enough?
[15:48:01] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: jzerebecki might order something as well...
[15:49:49] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: you want the ones with meat?!
[15:50:05] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: yes.
[15:50:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 jzerebecki: what do you want?
[15:54:02] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: send those bitcoinnnnnns
[16:06:33] <JeroenDeDauw>	 jzerebecki: I found a solution for your lack of BTC!
[16:06:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3dqhixzGVo
[16:06:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I got some paper here if you need it
[16:11:27] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Thiemo_WMDE: jzerebecki Either of you any good at creating diagrams?
[16:11:43] <Thiemo_WMDE>	 JeroenDeDauw: half-decent.
[16:13:35] <jzerebecki>	 lol. mining btc by hand err pen and paper
[16:14:53] * jzerebecki is not that good at drawing diagrams
[16:15:02] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15snaterlicious 04force-pushed 06multilingualunserializer from 145099f97 to 141308d5b: 02http://git.io/is_rIw
[16:15:02] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 1427c4e53 15snaterlicious: Untangled ResourceLoader modules
[16:15:02] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 14744e72b 15snaterlicious: Reflect contributors
[16:15:02] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06multilingualunserializer 143a05503 15snaterlicious: Extracted MultilingualUnserializer from EntityUnserializer
[16:51:48] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseDataModel] 15thiemowmde comment on pull request #205 14961ece1: So? `$snakOrClaim`. The first parameter was and still is required, right? Making it optional does not help. 02http://git.io/lrL-4w
[17:14:17] <RandIter>	 Can I use wikidata to store quantitative pharmacodynamic data in an appropriate structured format, as noted in studies?
[17:17:06] <hoo>	 RandIter: Quantities with units aren't yet available
[17:17:38] <RandIter>	 hoo: I don't understand. Can you say any example of what is not available?
[17:18:14] <hoo>	 RandIter: You can use numbers right now, but only unitless
[17:18:57] <RandIter>	 In the worst case, can the unit just be another data field?
[17:20:23] <hoo>	 You could do something like that in theory... but that sounds like a very bad idea, doesn't iT?
[17:21:28] <RandIter>	 yes, less than ideal
[17:22:30] <RandIter>	 hoo: consider this graph for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#mediaviewer/File:LSDaffinities.GIF
[17:23:35] <RandIter>	 hoo: now say i wanted to formalize and store all these numbers and their properties, along with pubmed pmid references, etc.
[17:24:34] <RandIter>	 The unit there is generally, but not always, going to be nM
[17:25:43] <RandIter>	 tbh, i've no training in pharmacodynamics so i really don't know how much the unit and such matters.
[17:25:47] <hoo>	 RandIter: I'd recommend you to wait a bit until we have numbers with units
[17:25:55] <RandIter>	 when might this be
[17:26:13] <RandIter>	 assuming i could then have "nM" as a unit
[17:27:59] <jzerebecki>	 RandIter: no idea when, but the task for that is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63722
[17:29:23] <RandIter>	 there needs to be a mapping between commensurate units, e.g. 1000 m = 1 km
[17:30:20] <RandIter>	 so users have flexibility in what unit they use to enter their data for a property
[17:58:36] <aude>	 omg
[17:58:49] <aude>	 https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitten is broken
[17:58:51] <hoo>	 uhu?
[17:58:59] <aude>	 if i turn on hhvm, it works
[17:59:05] <aude>	 if i turn of, it's broken
[17:59:12] <aude>	 on test2
[17:59:13] <hoo>	 oO
[17:59:29] <aude>	 seems an issue with how memcached handles entity revision
[17:59:50] <aude>	 that didn't happen with pre-data model 1.0
[18:00:01] <hoo>	 Did we see those errors before somewhere
[18:00:05] <aude>	 we did
[18:00:10] <aude>	 on beta and test2
[18:00:16] <hoo>	 what was the cause?
[18:00:27] <aude>	 didn't find out
[18:00:29] <hoo>	 :S
[18:00:46] <hoo>	 That was why we changed the cache prefix
[18:00:51] <hoo>	 right?
[18:00:57] <aude>	 it was part of the reason
[18:01:16] <aude>	 but seems that is not enough
[18:01:46] <aude>	 we have no hhvm on wikidata now
[18:01:53] <hoo>	 Yeah, saw that
[18:02:02] <aude>	 i don't know about non-hhvm items with hhvm
[18:02:30] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: ^
[18:02:53] <aude>	 this could be why the issue 'went away' for me
[18:02:58] <aude>	 but not really
[18:03:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :/
[18:03:34] <aude>	 this is challenging to debug
[18:03:49] <aude>	 also, it only happens if i put sttements on an item
[18:04:10] <aude>	 try with https://test.wikidata.org/wiki/Q788
[18:04:51] <hoo>	 aude: So you changed the item with hhvm on, it went corrupt in memcached (somehow), thus it fails with Zend?
[18:04:59] <hoo>	 Is that what happened?
[18:05:03] <aude>	 test.wikidata is hhvm only
[18:05:05] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: works for me it seems
[18:05:06] <aude>	 suppose i could disable it
[18:05:35] <hoo>	 aude: What about test2?
[18:05:43] <aude>	 hoo: it's a beta thing
[18:05:49] <aude>	 so you can have it on or off
[18:06:04] <hoo>	 Ok, it's not always on mw1017 like test and testwd?
[18:06:12] <aude>	 apparently so
[18:06:49] <aude>	 btw, this is also scary to have hhvm only on test.wikidata / test /test2 and beta
[18:06:55] <aude>	 while real stuff is not
[18:07:05] <aude>	 this is *why
[18:08:47] * aude needs to go home / eat but shall look further when i get home
[18:19:35] <gh-wmde>	 [13Diff] 15cordoval opened pull request #12: be more conservative about branch alias (06master...06patch-1) 02http://git.io/WrMWlQ
[20:28:35] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Abandoned) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): Remove bogus test from DataModelSerializationRoundtripTest [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/157693 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE))
[20:51:12] <jzerebecki>	 aude: can you add me as an admin to https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Wikidata-build so I can take a look?
[20:53:44] <aude>	 ok
[20:54:20] <aude>	 probably is something simple but i'm too tired to look at it more now
[20:55:59] <aude>	 jzerebecki: added
[20:58:05] <jzerebecki>	 thx
[20:58:44] <jzerebecki>	 its much too late for us to still be working :)
[20:58:58] <aude>	 yep
[21:03:37] <moogsi>	 any tools for splitting entities up by language?
[21:03:42] <moogsi>	 or do you have to do it by hand?
[21:06:52] <moogsi>	 also can i ask dumb questions about the site in here? cos i know this is more like wikidata-dev than a channel for dumb questions
[21:15:00] <jzerebecki>	 moogsi: yes this is first a general wikidata channel, it just also gets used for dev stuff
[21:15:16] <jzerebecki>	 so ask away
[21:15:35] <JohnFLewis>	 Because the idea Lydia wants is a unified developer-community relationship.
[21:18:19] <moogsi>	 nope, community is full of stupid people who ask dumb questions you don't care about
[21:18:29] <moogsi>	 i applaud the sentiment
[21:19:23] <moogsi>	 or rather, they make unreasonable demands
[21:19:29] <Vogone>	 dumb questions do not exist …
[21:20:11] <moogsi>	 also i applaud that sentiment
[21:44:25] <gh-wmde>	 [13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript] 15mariushoch pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/w4TY7Q
[21:44:25] <gh-wmde>	 13WikibaseSerializationJavaScript/06master 14fb0f640 15Marius Hoch: Specify 'license-name' => 'GPL-2.0+' for MediaWiki
[21:52:18] <gh-wmde>	 [13Ask] 15mariushoch pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/wMOvBQ
[21:52:18] <gh-wmde>	 13Ask/06master 143fffb4e 15Marius Hoch: Specify 'license-name' => 'GPL-2.0+' for MediaWiki
[21:54:11] <gh-wmde>	 [13AskSerialization] 15mariushoch pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02http://git.io/o7Nyxw
[21:54:11] <gh-wmde>	 13AskSerialization/06master 14d63b560 15Marius Hoch: Specify 'license-name' => 'GPL-2.0+' for MediaWiki
[22:08:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: Conditionally load mw.capiunto.Infobox._render (032 comments) [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163063 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Hoo man)
[22:08:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Hoo man: Conditionally load mw.capiunto.Infobox._render [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163063 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) 
[22:08:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Hoo man: Conditionally load InfoboxRender.lua [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163063 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) 
[22:09:44] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: "Stop registering mw.capiunto.Infobox._render (per Anomie)" [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163063 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Hoo man)
[22:10:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS2) 10Hoo man: Conditionally add the "capiunto.infobox.main" RL module [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163065 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) 
[22:12:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: Conditionally add the "capiunto.infobox.main" RL module (031 comment) [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163065 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Hoo man)
[22:14:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS3) 10Hoo man: Conditionally add the "capiunto.infobox.main" RL module [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163065 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) 
[22:14:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: "Addressed Daniel's naming concern." [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163065 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Hoo man)
[22:19:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: "re to Jackmcbarn" (031 comment) [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163071 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Hoo man)
[22:30:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-2] "This needs further discussion." [extensions/Capiunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163325 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69540) (owner: 10Jackmcbarn)
[22:30:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS5) 10Hoo man: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) (owner: 10Bene)
[22:35:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS6) 10Hoo man: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) (owner: 10Bene)
[22:36:03] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: "Fixed DiffViewTest to test in various languages again, not just English." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) (owner: 10Bene)
[22:37:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) (owner: 10Bene)
[22:46:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Show labels instead of item ids on badge diffs [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163345 (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/69832) (owner: 10Bene)
[22:52:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Add a setServices method to SpecialWikibaseRepoPage [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159516 (owner: 10Bene)
[22:57:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 031] Use factory class to construct SpecialEntitiesWithoutPage instances [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/162903 (owner: 10Bene)
[23:03:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Add a setServices method to SpecialWikibaseRepoPage [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159516 (owner: 10Bene)
[23:09:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS4) 10Hoo man: Refactored edittoolbar options [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160627 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[23:16:38] <hoo>	 :16:24.434 too much recursion load.php:51
[23:16:39] <hoo>	 uh
[23:17:50] <hoo>	 oh :S
[23:26:01] <hoo>	 m(
[23:26:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 032] Refactored edittoolbar options [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160627 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[23:27:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (03PS7) 10Hoo man: Refactored toolbars [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161453 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[23:36:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Refactored edittoolbar options [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160627 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[23:36:33] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-1] "If I apply this patch (on master), I see "[edit]" links pointing to the special pages for both the label and for the sitelink sections. (O" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161453 (owner: 10Henning Snater)
[23:38:41] <hoo>	 oh noes