[05:37:27] What previous discussions have there been about automatically converting particular categories into instance-of properties? (i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Iron_minerals ) [09:49:46] Go figure, #wikidata wasn't in autojoin [11:02:49] is there some place I can test sparql queries against wikidata ? [12:25:08] Where's the code for the WD:RFD gadget? (in the MediaWiki namespace) [12:25:15] I intend to make custom buttons of my own [12:31:05] MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition lists all gadgets [12:37:06] Cheers [13:35:48] (03Draft2) 10Aude: Cache reference and rank messages when formatting statements [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/182455 [13:37:45] (03PS3) 10Aude: Cache reference and rank messages when formatting statements [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/182455 [14:41:01] (03CR) 10Ricordisamoa: Add i18n messages for the new 'wikibase-property' datatype (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/181059 (owner: 10Ricordisamoa) [15:02:13] hello there [16:03:32] anyone around ? [16:03:53] i heard freebase moving to wikidata ? [16:04:21] is that means that the data thats shows on the right side of google searches will be then grapped from wikidata / [16:04:22] ? [16:04:27] yes, there's an entry on the main discussion page about it -- I don't know much more than its written there [16:04:34] grabbed* [16:04:41] Saqib: presumably [16:05:41] sjoerddebruin: What gadget do you use to copy all those labels? [16:06:01] It's the nameGuzzler. [16:06:16] You need to make a configuration file in your own user space btw. [16:06:29] Oh, no gadget? That sucks.... [16:07:22] I'm still looking for something that does the same for aliases. [16:07:33] This is horrible work to do. :P https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q353003&diff=prev&oldid=185588306 [16:10:25] (repeat from yesterday): What previous discussions have there been about automatically converting particular categories into instance-of properties? (i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Iron_minerals ) [16:11:59] JesseW: Categories are categories. Using them in P31 is not good, but I can't remember a discussion. [16:14:02] sjoerddebruin: thanks. Can you explain a bit more about why it would be a bad idea to mark all 230 wikidata items linked to the pages in that particular category with P31:Mineral ? [16:14:23] In general, certainly most categories aren't applicable to P31. [16:14:55] Oh, you want to give a P31 to all of the items of a category? [16:15:16] Your wording was a little bit confusing.... [16:15:25] yeah, that was what I wanted opinions about. sorry for the confusing wording [16:15:48] Yeah, it's a common way to add statements like that. But you need to work carefully. [16:16:10] The AutoList is a great tool to use for that. http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/index.php [16:17:28] I'd seen the tool -- what I'm looking for is some guidelines (or even merely previous discussion) of uses of it, to get more of a sense of what "carefully" might mean, more specifically. [16:18:25] Combining stuff: like enter a category, but filter out the ones who already have P31. [16:18:27] JesseW: You'll notice the increase in the number of complaints on your talk page if you're not careful ;-) [16:18:53] For example. the iron minerals: http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/index.php?language=en&project=wikipedia&category=Iron%20minerals&depth=12&wdq=claim%5B31%5D&mode=undefined&statementlist=&run=Run&label_contains=&label_contains_not=&chunk_size=10000 [16:18:57] multichill: heh [16:19:28] thanks, looking [16:24:34] it appears that https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P279 is often used, rather than P31 [16:24:50] now checking for how many aren't tagged with either... [16:27:03] ha. 3 [16:27:11] OK, those I can do manually. :-) [16:42:49] mergeeeeeeeeeeeeeee https://github.com/wmde/Diff/pull/25 [17:26:03] sjoerddebruin: We're adding collection to paintings. That's sometimes quite a puzzle! [17:29:18] A big puzzle. [17:30:38] Just 17 left that are linked to nlwp [17:49:13] sjoerddebruin: You doing a fun puzzle? [17:49:40] VIAF-backlog of dbnl. [18:15:37] I'm going to update the Merge.js screenshot [18:17:17] On a second thought, the page needs some major modifications [20:30:12] Witam [20:31:30] Mamy: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9722104 (Category:2015 deaths, Kategorie:Gestorben 2015) [20:32:02] czy mamy: "Category:2015-01-01 deaths"? [20:33:52] ? [20:38:46] [13Diff] 15JeroenDeDauw pushed 2 new commits to 06cs: 02http://git.io/NTDICw [20:38:46] 13Diff/06cs 14dcd535f 15jeroendedauw: Report CS checking progress [20:38:46] 13Diff/06cs 14c6bf101 15jeroendedauw: Add additional CS rules [20:38:57] "Category: Deaths in 1 January 2015" Czy istnieje? Ĉu ekzistas? Gibt es? Is there? [20:40:26] no but you can use a query in an external tool, see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_queries [20:45:38] Dzięki. Dankon. Danke! Thanks. [21:05:19] sjoerddebruin: En wil het een beetje vlotten met het matchen? [21:05:33] multichill: Jawel. [21:06:12] http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?start=550&q=CLAIM%5B31%3A3305213%5D%20AND%20NOCLAIM%5B195%5D gaat ook wel lekker [21:06:28] waren er iets van 3600, vandaag onder de 1000 gekregen en nu alweer bijna onder de 900 [21:06:48] :) [21:07:48] Autolist is van slag dus het zal ondertussen wel onder de 900 zitten [21:09:53] sjoerddebruin: I'm getting a bit tired of van Doesburg, van Gogh and El Greco. [21:10:33] More people with the same surname? [21:11:28] No, someone just really likes those painters and created loads of articles [21:11:56] Ah. :P [21:13:30] hm... is there a right way to merge two items? and if so, what is it? [21:13:43] The merge gadget, nikki [21:14:18] * nikki tries that [21:22:49] yay, took me a while to figure out where the link was, but it seems to have worked, thanks :D [21:23:07] :) [21:24:53] (also I'm very happy to see it can do redirects) [21:25:45] Yeah, deleting is sooo 2014 [21:47:50] moin moin [21:48:07] hi Egon [21:48:13] where can I best have a look for the current state of things regarding Wikidata and RDF? [21:49:46] Depends, what do you want to achieve exactly? [21:49:59] All the new stuff tends to be very poorly documented [21:50:07] * egonw is working with Daniel Mietchen on his project proposal around Wikidata [21:50:20] one of the ideas there is SPARQL... [21:50:35] but dereferencible IRIs are at least as important [21:50:49] particularly if we want to make Wikidata a node in the Linked Open Data Cloud [21:51:09] Haha, SPARQL, damn, I used that in 2000-2001 and now it's 2015 and it still sucks [21:51:16] :) [21:51:31] a lot has changed... [21:51:38] particularly, triples stores got a lot faster [21:51:44] It just crashes faster! :P [21:51:58] Did you play around with wikidataquery? [21:52:05] a bit... [21:52:19] tried to extract CAS registry numbers a while back [21:52:35] !bug 1 | multichill [21:52:57] Hi, what's up Sam? [21:53:07] bad documentation :D [21:53:33] Oh, right, is that still number one now we use phab? [21:54:29] egonw: https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q569 is the URI [21:54:38] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q569.json , www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q569.ttl [21:54:43] Pulled from the mailing list [21:54:51] www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q569.rdf [21:54:58] Very incomplete still [21:55:29] It's 2001 I think now [21:56:42] egonw: And for the sparql see http://wikidataldf.com [21:57:03] but nothing on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProjects ? [21:57:12] You might want to look around on https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l [21:57:12] I don't see it there... [21:58:16] SPARQL and RDF is something the research community has been working on for many many years. Our community has a different background so I don't think a lot of people care about it atm [21:58:31] You should have a chat with emw when he is online [21:58:51] I remember discussing owl with him some time ago [21:59:30] ok, thanks [22:01:03] I see you are at Maastricht University. Do you focus on the open and semantic stuf there? [22:01:09] yes [22:01:25] http://www.bigcat.unimaas.nl/ [22:04:09] You probably want to focus less on all these standard and more on the practical side egonw [22:04:38] Otherwise you'll get stuck [22:05:05] well, I have no idea what you practically mean with that :) [22:06:22] Ha [22:06:47] Use wikidataquery to find what you want and use the json format to retrieve it [22:07:10] oh, I really don't care about the format [22:07:48] If you don't care about a bit older data you can also download the full dump and parse that yourself [22:07:59] yes, I know... [22:08:19] no, what I am after is what currently is being done and allows for data integration [22:08:44] A lot is happening in the area of authority control [22:08:53] that is, how can scientists include data from wikidata in their environment [22:09:06] some will prefer JSON, others SPARQL [22:09:15] the above pointers are important... [22:09:20] things have IRIs [22:09:29] from there it is downhill [22:09:48] Just not done yet [22:09:59] that's fine [22:10:13] no sense in asking money for something that is already done [22:10:57] * egonw is in grant writing phase [22:12:17] Zoiets vermoedde ik al [22:12:31] Daniel forwarded his proposal some time ago [22:12:43] where are you based? [22:13:05] Haarlem [22:13:23] Used to work at SARA (now SURFsara). Do you still have the life science cluster? [22:13:26] you don't happen to work in the chemistry section, or? [22:13:32] yes, we do... [22:13:46] we have a life science grid cluster computing node... [22:13:57] No, networking [22:13:59] well, don't remember the exact name of it :) [22:14:19] We had to glue all those damn nodes together in one grid :P [22:14:45] well, we only got ours some months ago [22:15:12] Sure? I thought we had one at about every university [22:17:29] well, we could be talking about different things, but I'm pretty sure :) [22:20:17] Not sure what kind of things are in of interest of you in Wikidata. Already any ideas? [22:20:28] We seem to have plenty of items about people and locations :P [22:20:31] chemistry parts [22:20:42] there is a good bit of chemistry in there already [22:21:06] Yeah, think so, Wikipedia already had a lot about that [22:30:16] !admin how do you merge entries [22:30:56] because right now I'm just deleting things from one entry and adding them to another [22:31:28] Ryulong: You don't need an admin for that. Go to the gadgets and enable the merge gadget [22:31:34] oh [22:31:59] It will copy everything, empty the item and redirect it [22:32:32] If you are on an item it's under "more' [22:32:44] ok [22:33:45] now how do you tell off someone in french for still using interwiki links instead of the wikidata format which he apparently knows about because he left me a message on wikidata [22:34:28] A bot should pick that up [22:34:53] And friendly notes are more appreciated! [22:35:42] yes but he's taunting me [22:37:06] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e ? [22:37:14] yes [22:37:17] He left you a friendly note [22:37:32] "Thank you for the mergers" [22:37:36] yes but he's taunting me at a local project [22:38:51] how far did wikidata get with statements about property instances? [22:39:16] that was more rethorical than anything else ... sorry [22:39:45] Property statements went live last month egonw [22:39:55] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Visite_fortuitement_prolong%C3%A9e is indeed weird [22:40:24] People from the past... [22:41:03] Ryulong: ooooooh, now I get it! [22:41:17] it's on enwp really [22:41:26] We had two items [22:41:35] :OO [22:41:37] He just wanted to link to enwp and didn't know how to merge items [22:41:40] in like ALL of the other cases multichil [22:41:44] there was 1 item [22:42:48] Ryulong: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3305831&action=history <- oh, could you please complete your mergers? [22:43:10] I just hit "merge" and it did it [22:43:47] He wanted to link https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengen_%28langue%29 to enwp. But frwp was connected to https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3305831 and enwp to https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q6816978 [22:43:48] everything else I'm like doing on the local projects and its being transported to data [22:43:50] Ugh, again. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q13637941 [22:43:53] So he added a manual link [22:44:00] he added manual links ALL THE TIME [22:44:35] So I'll leave him a note to explain how to merge items. Problem solved ;-) [22:45:37] I did [22:45:46] well I told him to just use wikidata instead of doing manual links [22:51:11] Ryulong: I left him a note [22:51:21] where though [22:51:32] Btw, you're Russian right Ryulong? Can you have a look at https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoria ? [22:51:36] no [22:51:58] not russian [22:52:00] Hmm, why do I think that? [22:52:02] haha [22:57:25] ajr: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q15304738 <- I remember Diego Grez from Commons. He was trouble. [22:58:22] Not sure what it was again, but that's the part that stuck... [22:58:35] I knew him in the past and I'd generally agree [22:58:49] but I still think the item is notable, regardless of who created it [22:59:15] There seems to be an agenda behind it [22:59:45] A Chilean "paper" that turns out to be some random blog which only has an article in Russian and Scotish? That smells like trouble [23:06:19] :/ [23:06:25] I'll take a look when I get back in a bit