[10:00:21] (03PS1) 10WikidataBuilder: New Wikidata Build - 2015-05-10T10:00:01+0000 [extensions/Wikidata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/209964 [12:28:15] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-extensions-AbuseFilter: AbuseFilter on Wikidata fails on blocking IPs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669#1274900 (10Lydia_Pintscher) p:5Triage>3High [12:57:39] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-extensions-ContentTranslation, 5ContentTranslation-Release5, 7Design, and 2 others: When creating a new page, suggest doing a translation instead - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88600#1274913 (10rasmusskjoldan) Hi, new here—might be something basic I don't understand :-) I'm t... [13:56:09] 10Wikidata: wikibase-rc-wikibase-edit-title should be split into two separate messages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98703#1274922 (10Yair_rand) 3NEW [14:19:21] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Documentation, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-07, and 2 others: update documentation of high-level data model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75603#1274940 (10JeroenDeDauw) Very cool to see progress on this. Such a diagram is very helpful to people not... [14:22:31] 10Wikidata, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-05-05: Put sources of datamodel diagrams into the respective code repositories - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96679#1274942 (10JeroenDeDauw) Yay for agile documentation! One concern I do have is that if we bundle a diagram with the code, t... [14:33:47] 10Wikidata, 5Patch-For-Review: Special:EntityData has Dump data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98405#1274951 (10daniel) 5Open>3Resolved With the two patches merged, this should be fixed now. [14:35:26] 10Wikidata, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-21, 7domains: Decide which domain to use for the wikibase ontology URI - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93207#1274957 (10daniel) a:5daniel>3Lydia_Pintscher So, have we settled for wikiba.se, then? If so, we should make a ticket for changing the URI in the RDF gen... [14:36:34] 10Wikibase-DataModel, 10Wikidata: RFC: Possible redesign of the EntityTermsProvider interface - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87237#1274959 (10JeroenDeDauw) I talked to @Snaterlicious the day after his last comment yet forgot to write anything down here. We talked about the unsuitability of using Fingerpr... [14:45:20] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Documentation, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-07, and 2 others: update documentation of high-level data model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75603#1274960 (10JeroenDeDauw) > remove the notion of "Fingerprint" from the model. Instead, represent sets of... [14:52:55] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata, 7Documentation, 3Wikidata-Sprint-2015-04-07, and 2 others: update documentation of high-level data model - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T75603#1274969 (10daniel) @JeroenDeDauw Removing Fingerprint from the abstract model does not imply removing it... [15:26:03] it seems that http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Gehn%20wie%20ein%20%C3%84gypter&prop=pageprops|revisions&rvprop=content&format=json returns Q5530077 as the wikidata item, which seems to be a bug because that page was deleted almost a year ago [15:27:34] hmm... it's in the pageprops part, so I wonder if that's the same problem as pages not showing up as linked to wikidata when they are [16:17:05] dennyvrandecic: We have many many duplicate historic sites [16:17:32] Magnus didn't tag existing items before he did the import because of time constraints [17:39:18] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "Service construction code does not belong in the special page. Besides that, cohesion is increased, which you can see by method calls on a" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208160 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:40:23] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Have EntityHolder use EntityDocument (031 comment) [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208126 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:40:27] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Have EntityHolder use EntityDocument [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208126 [17:41:07] (03PS3) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Have EntityHolder use EntityDocument [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208126 [17:41:25] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Move service construction code to factory [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208160 [17:41:31] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Do not give Repository access to Client settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208100 [17:41:36] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Do not give RepoAccessModule access to Client settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208098 [17:41:42] (03PS2) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Do not give Client access to Repository settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208097 [17:42:33] (03CR) 10Hoo man: [C: 04-1] "How is this supposed to work on clients?" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208098 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:45:33] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Have EntityHolder use EntityDocument [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208126 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:45:41] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Do not give Client access to Repository settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208097 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:46:11] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Move service construction code to factory [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208160 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:46:27] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Do not give RepoAccessModule access to Client settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208098 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:46:49] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Do not give Repository access to Client settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208100 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:48:28] (03Abandoned) 10Jeroen De Dauw: Do not give RepoAccessModule access to Client settings [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208098 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:49:12] (03CR) 10Jeroen De Dauw: "This removes the inclusion of the repository settings into the client settings" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/208097 (owner: 10Jeroen De Dauw) [17:58:10] Looks like Jenkins is broken [18:12:59] got a development question related to freebase ids, anyone around that can answer those kinds of questions? [18:20:30] dennyvrandecic mabye? [18:20:42] But he seems to be away for a long time. [18:30:50] When creating an entry for a limited company, should I include the "limited" at the end of the name? [18:43:05] Oh.. my entry was deleted :( https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19883562 [18:43:48] Didn't realise wikidata was so strict about notability [18:44:32] johtso: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability [18:44:41] #2 is what you want to look at [18:44:44] I thought the fact that I was using it to relate to other entities gave it some legitimacy [18:44:52] It does [18:45:03] Well, in case you need it to describe a notable thing [18:47:18] so the context is basically, I added a 20 year old cassette to the musicbrainz database, and carefully documented all the data I could find about it, including all the people that appear on it. I followed the trail and found that this person seemed like slightly notable figure, and also shared a name with a few other notable figures, so I wanted to create a wikidata entry to have a concrete place to reference. [18:48:11] johtso: Where did you want to reference your new entity in? [18:48:17] Does the cassette have an item? [18:49:11] hoo, admittedly I wanted to reference it from musicbrainz, not wikidata [18:49:42] I'm pretty certain that cassette wouldn't be classed as notable enough for an entity :) [18:51:31] In that case it's down to how good your references are, I guess [18:51:55] hoo, what would I need to add? [18:52:27] Let me look at the itme very quick [18:53:53] cheers [18:54:01] Oh, hi hoo. Can you schedule a entity suggester database update next week. :) [18:54:18] sjoerddebruin: I can make a note to do it tomorrow, yes [18:54:29] Okay, cool. :) [18:54:32] * hoo reaches for his post its [18:55:15] johtso: I think this is a borderline case [18:55:51] Yeah, i can understand that [18:56:46] Just a shame, was enjoying constructing a robust web of data and learning the wikidata ropes [18:56:48] maintaining data is very hard if it's not/ not much linked to other data [18:57:00] sjoerddebruin: Do you want to have a look at that? [18:57:07] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Q19883562×tamp=20150509181355 [18:57:40] I tried to add references to all properties, admittedly just urls [18:57:48] I see a MusicBrainz-id and two references. [18:58:59] And was about to add another property for another employer with a reference to google books [18:59:18] Best way is to contact the deleting admin so you can try expanding it. [19:00:17] It could be that he/she didn't saw the references. [19:01:49] I have a feeling he took issue with the fundamental notability, and wasn't too interested in how things were referenced, but I can try reaching out to him [19:04:23] Will watch the talk page, so I can take some action if that is needed. [19:19:08] thanks :) [19:20:54] sjoerddebruin, should I be putting something on the item's discussion page or the admin's talk page? [19:21:05] The admin's, please. [19:22:50] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: separate identifiers from other statements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287#1275129 (10Bene) Are references actually used on identifiers? I think the identifier itself is its reference. The same question applies to qualifiers. Are they actually... [19:30:25] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: separate identifiers from other statements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287#1275130 (10Lydia_Pintscher) Yes. They need to be kept. [20:06:17] 10MediaWiki-extensions-WikibaseRepository, 10Wikidata: separate identifiers from other statements - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95287#1275174 (10Addshore) @Bene that is what I was initially thinking, but I guess there could also be other references. [20:15:52] ohia aude ! [20:19:13] hi addshore [20:20:21] hi nikki ! [20:20:30] I went through the remaining list of 404s and found some which have ids available, and also found some others where I could figure out what they were merged with [20:20:42] but it seems I can't use special:redirectentity to make the redirects myself [20:21:28] the list is https://pastee.org/358n9 though, if that's any use for you :) [20:41:19] hoo|away: do you know if there's a bug ticket for that issue with pageprops not being correct? (the one where saving the page again without making any changes fixes it) [20:42:57] nikki: you can, but you cant create redirects over deleted items yet [20:43:24] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71166 [20:43:45] and then you cant restore items if another item is using a sitelink that is on the deleted item [20:44:03] ahh, so that's why you couldn't restore some of them [20:44:05] thus currently some redirects that should probably be created are very hard to create! :) [20:53:46] nikki: You mean the pages showing up on Special:UnconnectedPages? [20:55:01] yes, I was wondering because I had a similar problem with an api query on the english wikipedia returning a wikidata id in the pageprops section that had been deleted a year ago, and it stopped returning it after I did a null edit [20:55:33] *goes to fix https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669 * [20:55:52] addshore: yay :) [20:56:03] yeh... 1 line was missed! [20:56:11] and apparently its not tested! [21:37:12] hoo, put a query on the admin's page, is there anything else you would suggest adding? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Jared_Preston#Deletion_of_Q19883562_.28notability.29 [21:37:34] looking [21:38:30] Looks good :) [21:38:40] I guess that's enough, let's wait for a reply [21:40:06] awesome [21:40:31] 10Wikidata, 10MediaWiki-extensions-AbuseFilter: AbuseFilter on Wikidata fails on blocking IPs - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669#1275289 (10Addshore) [21:43:23] (03PS1) 10Addshore: Merge EditFilterHookStatus into EditEntity Status [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/209992 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669) [21:43:28] hoo: ^^ :) [21:46:24] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Merge EditFilterHookStatus into EditEntity Status [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/209992 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669) (owner: 10Addshore) [21:46:29] bah [21:46:57] (03CR) 10Addshore: "recheck" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/209992 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669) (owner: 10Addshore) [21:58:16] (03CR) 10Addshore: "recheck" [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/209992 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669) (owner: 10Addshore) [22:16:35] (03CR) 10Addshore: "I really don't understand why this is failing client-tests-sqlite-hhvm...." [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/209992 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669) (owner: 10Addshore) [22:17:33] (03CR) 10Addshore: [V: 031] Merge EditFilterHookStatus into EditEntity Status [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/209992 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T98669) (owner: 10Addshore) [23:32:38] What's the current practice regarding symmetric properties? Add it to both items? [23:40:33] johtso: Yes [23:40:41] in case they "fit" [23:41:49] alright, I'll add both parent and subsidiary properties then [23:42:03] seems a shame that it isn't automatic though [23:42:19] MusicBrainz deals with symmetric relationships rather nicely [23:43:32] That's caused by the Wikidata data model... it's per design, although I agree that it can be inconvenient, if done by hand [23:43:43] s/done by hand/dealt with by hand/ [23:45:15] right, I suppose there are advantages to keeping things simple :) [23:45:37] Simple and extremely flexible