[09:20:12] <multichill>	 DanielK_WMDE__: Did you guys decide on after Wikimania?
[09:39:12] <DanielK_WMDE__>	 multichill: at least me and nicole are coming, flkight and accommodation are booked. birgit seemed undecided, havn't heard from others. katie and lydia are traveling before, i think. I keep forgetting who is actually coming...
[09:39:51] <multichill>	 Did you take the same hotel or another one? Prices seemed to have gone up
[09:46:14] <multichill>	 DanielK_WMDE__ ^
[10:24:44] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: "The concept of “claims” still exists in Wikibase" <- that's not true
[10:26:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: please correct - i just copied :)
[10:26:30] <benestar>	 from where :O
[10:26:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 the internal document i sent around every week where the team adds their stuff
[10:27:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and then i edit and copy
[10:27:18] <benestar>	 hmm, ok ...
[10:30:09] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: may I add my asparagus library to the list?
[10:30:16] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sure
[10:30:18] <benestar>	 or rather to other noteworthy stuff?
[10:31:35] <Lydia_WMDE>	 dev is fine :)
[10:34:49] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: You could add that the national gallery paintings and the getty paintings are now on wikidata ;-)
[10:35:35] <multichill>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q214867 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q731126
[10:36:06] <Lydia_WMDE>	 multichill: on wikidata meaning?
[10:36:26] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE / benestar : Is the concept of "claim" completely deprecated now? That means that we should update pywikibot too
[10:36:40] <benestar>	 multichill: it no longer exists in our DataModel
[10:36:55] <benestar>	 Claim is a class-alias for Statement now
[10:37:00] <multichill>	 https://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM%5B195%3A731126%5D / https://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=CLAIM%5B195%3A214867%5D
[10:37:16] <multichill>	 Where the human readable version of this mysterious data model?
[10:37:53] * benestar thinks there should be something on http://wikiba.se/
[10:37:58] <benestar>	 but isn't apparently :S
[10:38:27] <multichill>	 Because you guys keep changing shit and not communication it properly :-(
[10:39:20] <multichill>	 benestar: Maybe you can throw a bug in phabricator to update pywikibot to version x.x of the Wikibase data model?
[10:39:37] <multichill>	 That way it's easier to track what needs to be changed
[10:39:41] <benestar>	 multichill: the public interface basically didn't change because we never exposed laims
[10:39:43] <benestar>	 *claims
[10:40:01] <benestar>	 and api params etc still use claim in their name
[10:40:29] <multichill>	 Pywikibot implements the data model so it should try to stick as close as possible to it
[10:40:50] <multichill>	 user program <-> pywikibot lib <-> mediawiki api with wikibase
[10:41:06] <multichill>	 The user program <-> pywikibot lib part probably needs to be updated to the new data model
[10:41:38] <multichill>	 Change everything to statement and keep claim as alias for now, etc
[10:42:42] <multichill>	 In the past pywikibot wandered a bit in the wrong direction with Wikibase, would hate to see that happen again
[10:43:41] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: Does that answer your question? We have items now for every painting in the getty and the NGA
[10:45:21] <multichill>	 Amir1: You ran into nested templates :-(
[10:52:31] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: did you send the weekly summary yet?
[10:52:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 multichill: ok :)
[10:53:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 aude: no if you want to add please do it at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next
[10:53:17] <multichill>	 Went through the milestone of 50.000 paintings this weekend
[10:55:48] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: ok
[10:57:10] <aude>	 Lydia_WMDE: feel free to make more readable or tweak
[10:58:33] <pmackay>	 Hi, has there been any proposals of adding a barcode property to use for products?
[11:02:53] <benestar>	 pmackay: I'm not aware of any
[11:03:58] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: why isn't this on the sprint? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T72229
[11:04:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: amir is working on it but its unclear when afaik
[11:05:28] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: I'm as well... would still be nice to have it on the sprint so that we get reviews etc tracked
[11:05:53] <Lydia_WMDE>	 if there is something to review add it
[11:08:57] <benestar>	 ok
[11:09:11] * benestar thinks he will start working on that today
[11:09:34] <benestar>	 although I want to get Asparagus 0.3 out as well..
[11:10:22] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: did we already announce the UI/DOM changes?
[11:11:04] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: for sitelinks? yeah it was in the last one
[11:11:28] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: and for the <h1> ...
[11:11:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[11:12:20] <benestar>	 "The sitelinks heading hierarchy changed and includes a “Site links” heading now that is only shown on mobile. This is a DOM change needed to make Wikidata work better on mobile."
[11:12:35] <benestar>	 that was in the last one but the other heading thing is missing
[11:12:46] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: ok then please add it :)
[11:17:42] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: status update is growing... ^^
[11:18:40] <Lydia_WMDE>	 jep
[11:18:43] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sending in 5 mins
[11:18:49] <Lydia_WMDE>	 get remaining stuff in now :P
[11:21:46] <benestar>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20150617 <- that's a nice one xD
[11:53:34] <Amir1>	 multichill: It's easy to fix
[11:53:46] <Amir1>	 I'm going through them one by one
[12:10:19] <Amir1>	 multichill: they are easy to track: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hidebots=0&tagfilter=wikisyntax
[12:25:13] <benestar>	 SMalyshev: hey, which SPARQL features do you use in your WDQ to SPARQL translator?
[13:02:31] <Amir1>	 multichill: around?
[13:02:52] <multichill>	 Yeah, just setting up another museum for import
[13:04:03] <multichill>	 Amir1: What's up?
[13:04:22] <Amir1>	 Less then 30 mistaken edits made and I'm fixing them
[13:04:26] <Amir1>	 It's about to finish
[13:04:47] <Amir1>	 and secondly I finish the system to automatically find logic behind lists
[13:04:55] <Amir1>	 in any language
[13:05:09] <multichill>	 Oh, that would be nice :-)
[13:05:11] <Amir1>	 multichill: {"ru": null, "fr": ["Liste0"], "en": ["of1", "List0"], "nl": ["Lijst0", "van1"], "de": ["Liste0", "der1"],
[13:05:15] <Amir1>	 and on
[13:05:49] <multichill>	 Bit give an occasional false positive yes
[13:05:58] <multichill>	 But should be right most of the time
[13:06:08] <Amir1>	 and now I'm writing the script to add the statements 
[13:06:15] <Amir1>	 :)
[13:06:32] <Amir1>	 I have two exams in the next two days
[13:06:41] <Amir1>	 but It will finish and then I'm free
[13:08:23] <multichill>	 Amir1: Good luck with your exams!
[13:08:31] <Amir1>	 thanks multichill
[13:08:44] <Amir1>	 do you know what's wrong with irc channels 
[13:08:52] <Amir1>	 everyone is leaving and coming
[13:08:57] <Amir1>	 ?
[13:19:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 Amir1: Just netsplits.
[13:19:25] <Amir1>	 I see
[13:21:32] <multichill>	 Amir1: Looks like a complete meltdown of freenode
[13:21:50] <multichill>	 I was alone on the server and @ everywhere before you all dropped in again :P
[13:21:55] <Amir1>	 It's giving me headaches 
[13:22:28] <sjoerddebruin>	 Take a look at Keegan for headachees. :)
[13:22:43] <multichill>	 Keegan should get himself a decent client
[16:12:39] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE:  can we get something like https://github.com/Wikidata-lib/Wikidata.lib/blob/master/visualisation/vis%20ohne%20waisen.pdf with current data?
[16:13:30] <Lydia_WMDE>	 benestar: should be possible with the wikidata toolkit
[16:14:02] <benestar>	 Lydia_WMDE: but how did they generate that?
[16:14:12] <Lydia_WMDE>	 idunno :D
[16:14:16] <benestar>	 cannot find the relevant script :S
[16:14:57] <benestar>	 that's basically what you asked for in Lyon I think ;)
[16:17:55] <Lydia_WMDE>	 yeah
[17:28:29] <jzerebec1i>	 hoo: can i interest you in merging WikidataQuality?: https://github.com/wmde/WikidataBuildResources/pull/27
[17:30:03] <hoo>	 I'll do that all on Tuesday
[17:30:04] <hoo>	 Or do you want to have it in the next branch?
[17:30:11] <hoo>	 I don't really see a use for that (especially not w/o the constraints extension)
[17:31:46] <hoo>	 But thanks for putting up patches :)
[17:35:42] <jzerebec1i>	 hoo: i see no reason to wait, also then we can swat the config change on monday
[17:42:19] <hoo>	 What config change?
[17:42:31] <hoo>	 We need to deploy to beta before doing *anything* in production
[17:47:52] <multichill>	 hoo: I noticed something about api changes. Any idea when that's going to be deployed? I'm wondering if anyone already checked that against pywikibot and if automatic testing will catch it if it breaks things
[17:48:23] <hoo>	 In core or in Wikibase?
[17:48:47] <hoo>	 If you give me a link, I can probably tell you
[17:50:25] <multichill>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/217885
[17:52:40] <hoo>	 As we will only branch next week (June 29) as far as I remember (I have nothing for this week in my calendar at least), this will hit Wikidata probably on Wednesday July 1
[17:59:33] <multichill>	 ty hoo, forwarded the message to the pywikibot list so people can look into it if they feel like it.
[17:59:50] <multichill>	 Having integration testing on mediawiki + wikibase master is not done yet afaik
[18:00:25] <multichill>	 That would be pretty sweet to have :-)
[18:01:05] <hoo>	 For pywikibot?
[18:02:34] <multichill>	 Yes, for pywikibot
[18:03:47] <benestar>	 multichill: you would run these integration tests on a daily basis then?
[18:04:18] <multichill>	 Not sure what the trigger is going to be probably that or merged patches
[18:05:21] <benestar>	 hoo: do you like that? https://github.com/Benestar/asparagus/blob/master/tests/integration/QueryBuilderTest.php#L28
[18:08:24] <hoo>	 Yeah, that looks good :)
[18:25:13] <jzerebecki>	 hoo: the inlude for the extension is in an if, so we can disable it by a config change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219630
[18:25:23] * jzerebecki out
[19:10:42] <multichill>	 Amir1: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q9162657&type=revision&diff=223049264&oldid=185157129 <- oops
[19:10:59] <multichill>	 Someone put the catalog codes in the wrong field P
[19:11:25] <Amir1>	 multichill: hey okay :(
[19:13:13] <multichill>	 :-)
[19:22:35] <Amir1>	 multichill: what do you suggest_
[19:22:37] <Amir1>	 ?
[19:23:03] <multichill>	 I'll just fix it when I come across it. Nothing much you can do here
[19:25:42] <Amir1>	 ok, thank you :)
[19:28:31] <multichill>	 Amir1: I was playing around with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Spinster/List_of_works_by_Vincent_van_Gogh when I noticed
[19:31:13] <Amir1>	 multichill: I will add P31:List to more than 10K items by tomorrow 
[19:31:32] <Amir1>	 it's not much
[19:32:11] <Amir1>	 multichill: btw Van Gogh was an amazing painter 
[19:32:33] <Amir1>	 I feel delighted every time I see his works
[19:34:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 Amir1: Please, do that carefully. There are a lot of mixed items.
[19:34:29] <multichill>	 It's no punishment to clean up these works Amir1 :-)
[19:35:04] <multichill>	 And Van Gogh is very difficult. He loved to make the same painting multiple times and sometimes people mix these up
[19:35:26] <multichill>	 Really crap photographs scanned out of art books don't help either
[19:35:26] <Amir1>	 sjoerddebruin: hmm
[19:35:53] <multichill>	 Compare https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Van_Gogh_-_Zwei_Krebse.jpeg with http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/vincent-van-gogh-two-crabs
[19:36:43] <Amir1>	 wow, Can we copy that from the national gallery website?
[19:36:59] <Amir1>	 sjoerddebruin: Do you want to check the list?
[19:37:08] <sjoerddebruin>	 No, s
[19:37:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 I have enough backlogs.
[19:37:40] <multichill>	 Amir1: Sure, it's public domain. My focus is now on Wikidata. I might to some uploading again soon. 
[19:37:57] <multichill>	 Getty offers very high res images (80 MB) of their works
[19:38:01] <multichill>	 MET too
[19:38:35] <Amir1>	 multichill: If we work on upload.py in this summer
[19:38:45] <Amir1>	 Things will get eaiser 
[19:38:49] <Amir1>	 *easier
[19:39:03] <multichill>	 I promised myself I would clean up https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles/BotMultichill first before I would do another batch upload
[19:39:39] <multichill>	 But yes, turning upload.py into a easier library module makes everything a lot nice
[19:39:42] <multichill>	 *nicer
[19:39:46] * sjoerddebruin is wondering if https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup/Kian/Possible_mistakes/nl ever gets a update.
[19:39:46] <multichill>	 Doing this was a pain
[19:59:11] <Amir1>	 sjoerddebruin: I will re-run it
[19:59:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 Great, hope it will give some false positives for me.
[20:02:56] <Amir1>	 sjoerddebruin: I need help of a Dutch about this
[20:03:31] <Amir1>	 Can you name some words you use in your categories for "deities" "fictional" "duos" "trios" "bands"
[20:04:09] <sjoerddebruin>	 I think "god", "fictief", "duo", "trio", "muziekgroep"
[20:04:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 No plurals on nlwiki :)
[20:05:55] <Amir1>	 awesome
[20:06:16] <Amir1>	 the full list for english is: words = [u'fictional', u'duos', 'trios', 'bands', 'deities', 'men', 'women', 'people', 'births', 'deaths']
[20:06:25] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh wait, sometimes also "fictieve", depends on the animal by example.
[20:06:41] <sjoerddebruin>	 It's "fictief paard" (horse), but "fictieve vogel" (bird).
[20:06:57] <Amir1>	 doesn't matter, I add both of them
[20:10:43] <Amir1>	 join /wikimedia-stewards
[20:10:57] <sjoerddebruin>	 Why? :)
[20:11:10] <Amir1>	 I wanted to join but 
[20:11:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 ;)
[20:11:16] <Amir1>	 ;)
[20:11:35] <Amir1>	 sjoerddebruin: can you give me the full list based on this?  [u'fictional', u'duos', 'trios', 'bands', 'deities', 'men', 'women', 'people', 'births', 'deaths']
[20:12:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 ?
[20:12:31] <Amir1>	 [u'fictieve', u'fictief', u'duo', u'trio', u'muziekgroep', 'god']
[20:12:44] <Amir1>	 but 'men', 'women', 'people', 'births', 'deaths' is not translated to Dutch
[20:12:49] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, don't think we have categories like that.
[20:16:16] <Amir1>	 sjoerddebruin: thanks :)
[20:40:11] <benestar>	 multichill: gaah, double edit conflict :S
[20:40:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 On Wikidata?
[20:40:57] <multichill>	 benestar: How did you manage that?
[20:41:11] <benestar>	 first VLsergey and then you :P
[20:41:24] <multichill>	 ouch
[20:42:17] <multichill>	 benestar: Somehow the start and end time should probably be in the source section
[20:43:41] <benestar>	 multichill: hmm, interesting idea
[20:43:49] <benestar>	 or something like "deprecated since"
[20:44:24] <multichill>	 yeah, something like that. 
[22:11:54] * hoo headdesks
[22:12:10] <hoo>	 Copy and paste :P
[22:48:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 #derp?