[07:12:02] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on wikidata is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1414 bytes in 0.149 second response time [09:29:46] is there a wikidata property for "target audience"? [09:31:32] Lydia_WMDE: there is no ticket anywhere I can add some comment to regarding an "instant wikidata" type thing? or did I just miss it? [09:32:41] addshore: i was looking yesterday but couldn't find one either. let me look again [09:40:18] hi Lydia_WMDE! [09:40:24] I'll be in Berlin again next week! [09:40:59] should come to the office :) [09:41:40] YuviPanda: yay! :) [09:41:48] you're most welcome in the office [09:42:02] :) [09:42:08] just let me know when youÄll come so we can make sure someone is here from the team to say hi [09:42:16] and let you in [09:43:08] yes :) [09:46:42] Lydia_WMDE: don't let him in! Surely there is a law about pandas in the workspace :P [10:05:13] JohnFLewis: :P [10:17:24] If sombody likes to do a pair review on stuff from the sprint just poke me! Thiemo_WMDE, jzerebecki, aude, benestar [10:17:54] YuviPanda: yay :) [10:19:38] Lydia_WMDE: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T48556#1566818 [10:20:06] and anyone else who wants to look at it ^^ it is some thoughts on the whole wikidata client use for 3rd parties thing / instant wikidata.... [10:20:51] addshore: why would Http::get not work? [10:21:09] aude: it probably could ;) [10:21:29] https://github.com/filbertkm/WikibaseImport/blob/master/src/ApiEntityLookup.php [10:21:39] doesn't adhere strictly to the wikibase interface though [10:27:15] Jonas_WMDE: did you adjust the display of empty references? [10:30:04] hm :/ the property suggester is now so cluttered... it makes me to want to go remove a load of aliases to clean it up :/ [10:30:39] nikki: agreed. we need to deemphazise aliases [10:30:45] currently it's not good [10:30:52] aude: that is cool! [10:31:02] nikki: i'll open a ticket [10:31:14] yeah... especially properties like country, which manage to fill the entire width of my screen since they have so many aliases [10:31:15] cool [10:31:25] aude: I guess I could make an implementation of https://github.com/addwiki/mediawiki-api-base that doesnt use guzzle [10:31:44] basically I have https://github.com/addwiki/mediawiki-api-base/blob/master/src/MediawikiApi.php [10:31:58] which is the only point that binds to guzzle [10:33:33] addshore: would be easy [10:33:41] aude: https://github.com/addwiki/mediawiki-api-base/issues/5 [10:33:49] indeed [10:33:54] for this stuff, especially if read only, then we don't have to worry about cookies, oauth, ed [10:33:57] etc [10:37:11] nikki: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110021#1566865 [10:38:05] thanks :D [10:39:29] aude: so I guess I make a small bare bones http request library (or find one) and then I could make the use of either that of guzzle optional in the mediawiki-api-base and not actually require it [10:40:05] addshore: somethign like that [10:40:23] shame there isnt a PSR for http client yet :P [10:41:13] https://github.com/bigcommerce/net-http this thing only has around 1,500 lines... seems ideal.... [10:41:15] * aude investigates why the dispatcher is broken / painfully slow [10:41:36] addshore: or factor out the stuff in core into a library [10:41:50] nikki: do you like this more? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ent2gmt05u6ntcc/Schermafdruk%202015-08-24%2012.41.43.png?dl=0 [10:42:35] although for core, curl is optional [10:42:43] but w/o curl doesn't work very well [10:43:03] Lydia_WMDE: I think it'll take ages until I've at least understood how core search api works :S [10:43:29] benestar: heh ok - then let's go for the hacky version [10:43:38] aude: yes, if the Http class from core was in a library this would be easy... I would just use that.... [10:43:51] addshore: extract extract!! [10:43:55] *goes to file a ticket* [10:44:16] addshore: If whole core was be split into submodules would be really great [10:44:22] -be [10:46:18] Can someone check this issue http://postimg.org/image/q7qrer4fz/ [10:46:45] It happens from 1 week and I dont know is this bug or I have some virus [10:47:04] all links are shown two times [10:48:15] Termininja: yeah :) [10:48:17] alread fixed [10:48:25] it'll be live on wikidata on wednesday [10:48:29] addshore: why don't you use curl? [10:48:45] ok,thanks [10:49:19] no problem [11:03:57] benestar: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110022 [11:04:08] benestar: because it was easier to use a library ofc [11:04:37] sjoerddebruin: it's better than the current display, yeah, but it still comes across as cluttered to me since a lot of aliases seem to just be slightly different ways of saying the same thing (like commons categorie and categorie op commons) that are useful for the search but are unlikely to be useful when shown to a user [11:04:48] Jup [11:05:36] (and I would put the aliases below the description and without brackets, more like the way it's displayed on the property/item page, but that's a minor detail) [11:05:49] aude, I tihnk you should add a cool token to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110022 [11:05:51] :D [13:34:21] benestar: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110033 <- can you please check this is complete? [13:34:36] just looking ;) [13:34:42] nice [13:35:10] Lydia_WMDE: that one shouldn't be a blocker. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100134 [13:35:45] should this one really happen? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85364 [13:35:47] benestar: oh you're right. i thought that was just reading [13:35:49] will fix [13:36:06] that would require custom javascript on mobile. We can do it of course [13:36:24] benestar: right. let's decide we'll always show them then and close it [13:36:26] will you? [13:36:30] sure [13:36:33] thx [13:38:38] btw the search thing is a bit tricky :S I will have to talk to some people from the mobile team on how to inject a custom search api [13:39:37] ok [14:16:51] Lydia_WMDE: should I add all the tasks to the current sprint? [14:17:05] benestar: the ones you're working on yeah [14:18:18] Lydia_WMDE: and is it correct that this is a task? https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85368 [14:18:21] or rather a bug? [14:18:56] benestar: i think task is ok [14:19:02] :) [15:09:27] Hello. [15:09:33] Hi Zil! [15:09:59] I've got a small question on wikidata. [15:10:06] you can ask it on IRC [15:10:27] Is there a way to indicate the achivment for an alpinist? [15:10:46] what constitutes an achievement? [15:10:59] Like summits... [15:11:14] First one to achieve it. [15:11:20] Or first winter ascension. [15:11:31] Or first North face ascension of a peak. [15:12:18] Something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Fuzhou#Achievements [15:12:21] interesting [15:12:35] Hm, don't know if we have a property for that... [15:12:35] i don't think there are any wikidata items for this yet [15:12:52] the first one to ascend may be a notable property [15:13:11] Yes for the peak. [15:13:26] But the alpinist the ascent could be interesting. [15:13:32] "first one to reach peak" [15:13:33] But for the alpinist... [15:13:57] but the "first" related to the peak, not the alpinist [15:14:02] *relates [15:14:25] it is easy to do reverse lookups anyway [15:14:55] For the ascent, you could use https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P793 with a item called "first ascent" [15:15:24] OK. Thanks. [15:15:49] So, P793 > Q1194369. [15:16:04] With https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P585 as qualifier [15:16:05] So I could use it on a peak or on a face if we have an article for it. [15:17:51] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q513&type=revision&diff=245172639&oldid=239718438 [15:19:00] Sounds good. [15:21:32] Firest ascent is good. But notable ascent would be better. [15:22:01] Like for the Everest : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhold_Messner ascent is notable. [15:22:29] And it was a major event for the moutaineer community. [15:25:34] And also we've got this : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4567715 [15:25:47] Jup, I just linked that [15:26:05] You can use that on the person items together with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1344 [15:28:54] OK thanks for the info. [15:28:55] I will try. [15:52:07] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q105124&diff=245178312&oldid=242532697 [15:52:49] How could I had the mountain here : https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q3566062&diff=245180048&oldid=238008762 [15:52:49] ? [15:53:24] With https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P276 I think [15:54:24] Ok thank you. [16:02:52] Due to the fact, that everytime someone fill one side, the other side should be filled. Do you have a list of maintenance tasks that should be checked from time to time? [16:03:18] what do you mean by "side"? [16:10:53] inversing probaly [16:44:53] Sorry, I have been disconnected. [16:58:08] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on wikidata is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1417 bytes in 0.161 second response time [16:58:19] oei [19:15:58] as it is possible to copy-paste a reference with benestar or Magnus scripts, it should be possible to add a reference with Wikidata useful, no ? [19:29:56] probably, don't know anything about that script [19:50:35] Hey multichill [19:50:50] hi sjoerddebruin [19:51:17] Thanks for thanking me. :P [20:02:07] sjoerddebruin: Haha, it's nice to see people improve the people items [20:02:54] http://tools.wmflabs.org/multichill/painters/ only creates a stub item [20:03:48] Jup, don't like stubs. :P [20:15:31] Only so much work left to do... :) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P1959 [23:33:28] anyone here know how to use autolist? [23:34:56] yes [23:35:03] what do you want to do? [23:35:21] pretty much add the claim instance of human to ones that are needed [23:36:27] Harmonia_Amanda ^ [23:36:52] eurodyne: how do you know where it is needed? [23:37:05] hm? what do you mean? [23:37:22] I just want to add claim: instance of human to the items that don't have it [23:37:25] autolist can add claims to a list of items [23:37:40] how do you list these items? [23:37:43] how do I know which needs it and which don't? [23:37:48] I'm not sure to be honest. [23:37:59] well autolist can automatize an action [23:38:12] but you need to have a way to constitute the list [23:38:14] Harmonia_Amanda: what do you mean? [23:38:22] one second please [23:38:32] autolist can work with queries, with categories, etc. [23:38:39] You mean like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Names/first_names_(1) [23:38:51] but il can add something to nothing [23:39:03] it can't* [23:39:33] eurodyne: are you not french ? [23:39:38] okay so can I add claim: insatce of human to all of the ones with in its title name "John" [23:39:48] Je parle Français. [23:39:53] un peux [23:39:55] do you prefer French? [23:40:01] ok, so english [23:40:05] No I speak English natively. [23:40:22] well, yes you can do that [23:40:28] so how would I do that? [23:40:49] seek all the items with the property:first name and not the property;instance of:human [23:41:04] but not sure if you'll have many results [23:41:38] okay well, I want there to be something where there are a lot of results [23:41:53] autolist is great to add the same thing to many items. But you need to know how to establish your list first [23:42:11] Harmonia_Amanda: is there anything that I could do to get a lot of results? [23:42:30] for humans I'm not sure [23:42:38] could you give me a good example? [23:42:56] not for adding "instance of:human" [23:43:06] okay that's fine [23:43:16] what is it good for adding then? [23:43:36] for adding country of citizenship? [23:43:56] but for example on the project name, it is explained how to add 'first name' to people [23:44:15] so you can use a first name not already used and do that [23:44:15] yes I know [23:44:25] hmm.. okay [23:44:28] like "Cathrine" I think ut wasn(t done [23:44:37] is there a certain name that will get me a lot of results? [23:45:01] (and maybe the item "Cathrine" (first name) doesn't exist already [23:45:10] sorry, I don't jnow [23:45:19] why do you want lot of results ?? [23:45:33] I want to try this out and see how long it takes [23:45:38] correcting or adding properties is always great [23:45:57] well with autolist it's a modification/10 seconds [23:46:06] so you know [23:46:25] quickstatements is way faster but it's much more long to prepare [23:47:10] I see... [23:47:20] could you standby for a little while? [23:47:24] yes [23:52:44] Harmonia_Amanda: How would I do surname? [23:53:12] probably seeking items wich end with the surname [23:53:23] one sec [23:53:32] but it's longer to run for autolist [23:53:44] what do you mean? [23:54:00] something like that in the label research case : "% Surname" [23:54:13] and the claims stay the same? [23:54:21] I mean the WDQ [23:54:36] it takes more time to seek items ending in something than items beginning with something [23:54:38] no [23:54:51] you seek items without the property "surname" [23:55:01] not those without "first name" [23:55:04] okay [23:55:16] is there a list of wikiprojects out there that I could join [23:55:31] and of course you add surname value and not first name value (not the same items) [23:55:43] eurodyne: well you can join any project you want [23:55:49] what do you like? [23:55:50] yah I know [23:56:00] well, sports, the name thing seems fun [23:56:08] myself I work on sled dog racing [23:56:10] using autolist seems fun but I'm not really that good at it [23:56:14] and on Tolkien [23:56:18] do you need help with that? [23:56:28] we always need help ^^ [23:56:52] here is what I do : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Sled_dog_racing/Todo [23:56:56] what is autolist good for? I usually use the game. [23:57:15] autolist is really great to do the same thing over and over [23:57:29] like what? [23:57:33] which things need that? [23:58:11] adding "belonging to this fictional universe" for every item having "present in work:work of this fictional universe" for example [23:58:54] adding "occupation:musher" for every participant in a sled dog race... [23:59:09] it's great for things like that [23:59:21] you already have an information which mean another one is true [23:59:27] and autolist automatize that [23:59:40] but you need to know what you want to do first