[00:01:31] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw: thanks
[00:02:25] <aude>	 i think some of the problem is that while we have InMemoryEntityLookup (and think it would be nice to use in tests), it does not cover exception handling stuff
[00:02:58] <aude>	 it would be nice to have a consistent thing to use in tests instead of making a mock callback in places that tries to mimic EntityLookup
[00:03:59] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Yeah sure
[00:04:17] <aude>	 seems better now though than it was before
[00:05:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 We had a huge mess in how we where using exceptions in those interfaces before, and its not all gone yet. Not surprised that the tests are not covering the expected behaviour properly
[00:07:17] <aude>	 :/
[00:07:47] <aude>	 i'll look at this more tomorrow and probably merge the patch
[00:28:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 aude: you can haz https://github.com/wmde/WikibaseDataModelServices/pull/71
[00:34:39] <aude>	 JeroenDeDauw: still seems we have to maintain what exceptions to use for which EntityLookup implementations (if we want to test against them)
[00:35:38] <aude>	 or have to do some other approach to test integration of actual EntityLookups used in various places
[00:35:40] <aude>	 and/or
[09:06:50] <Adrian_WMDE>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/223544/
[10:46:30] <sjoerddebruin>	 Lydia_WMDE: &lt;wikibase-newentity-language&gt; on Special:NewItem, I like it but there should be a label there. ;)
[10:48:45] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: uhuh
[10:48:50] * Lydia_WMDE looks
[10:49:58] <Lydia_WMDE>	 sjoerddebruin: thx. katie is fixing it
[10:50:02] <sjoerddebruin>	 !lydia
[10:50:03] <wm-bot>	 \o/
[10:50:09] <Lydia_WMDE>	 :D
[10:55:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 nikki: Hi! I think this would be good: https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/wikidata-todo/issues/28/add-lang-parameter-support-to-duplicity
[11:38:10] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !lydiano
[11:38:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 hmm
[11:38:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 !no
[11:38:18] <wm-bot>	 https://bit.ly/dennyno
[11:38:23] <JeroenDeDauw>	 haha :D
[11:38:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 !yes
[11:38:35] <sjoerddebruin>	 :(
[11:39:29] <JeroenDeDauw>	 sjoerddebruin: hmm... I do not yet have an image for that. Taking note... need to check my pictures of collgeauges suitable for captioning collection...
[12:18:57] <aude>	 sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:NewItem is fixed now
[12:19:08] <aude>	 and wikidata has the new code again
[13:27:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 dennyvrandecic: How long does it take before Google updates the knowledge graph of something?
[13:45:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 aude: <3
[13:49:46] <nikki>	 hmm... the gadget for copying references doesn't seem to let me copy a reference I've just added, I have to refresh the page first, and then if I refresh the page for any other reason, it forgets the reference I was using
[13:50:59] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yup, two refreshes in the last few days.
[13:51:14] <sjoerddebruin>	 As it is a gadget now, create a task on Phab. :)
[13:52:48] <nikki>	 otherwise it seems pretty cool :D
[13:54:12] <nikki>	 and at least it's not as obsessed with refreshing as the primary sources tool
[14:52:51] <dennyvrandecic>	 sjoerddebruin: that's secret internal information, but in general the answer is "it depends" - anything specific?
[15:00:02] <sjoerddebruin>	 dennyvrandecic: I was running a experiment with "Kathinka Lannoy". I've expanded the Wikidata item, the Knowledge Graph still think she's alive.
[15:04:29] <dennyvrandecic>	 sjoerddebruin: yeah, knowledge graph doesn't trust wikidata blindly. it depends on many factors. (sorry I can't get more specific)
[15:15:55] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hmpf, okay.
[16:33:18] <addshore>	 dennyvrandecic: any stats on googles use of WD?
[16:37:37] <frimelle>	 hoo https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/242919/ Now with getter and setter \o/
[16:38:48] <Jonas_WMDE>	 @jzerebecki https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Interior_Gateway_Routing_Protocol
[16:45:23] <hoo>	 frimelle: Nice, will review in a bit :)
[16:45:37] <frimelle>	 \o/
[16:45:39] <jzerebecki>	 Jonas_WMDE: "proprietäres Routing-Protokoll". anyway for the internet one needs to use BGP (exterior vs interior). interior wird am meisten OSPF benutzt.
[16:47:22] <Jonas_WMDE>	 I know, mit dem EIGRP sind wir bei der CCNA schulung immer genervt worden ;)
[16:59:15] <dennyvrandecic>	 addshore: nope, sorry, nothing public :-/
[17:02:39] <addshore>	 hehe, the secrets of the graph ;)
[17:02:52] <dennyvrandecic>	 i should write a book about this :D
[17:04:54] <dennyvrandecic>	 sjoerddebruin: do you get a knowledge graph result for lannoy?
[18:50:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 dennyvrandecic: Yes, like I said Google thinks she's still alive (showing her age) but she died in 1996
[18:53:51] <addshore>	 hah!
[18:55:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 :O
[19:17:44] <nikki>	 so many wrong given name statements... x_x
[19:17:54] <sjoerddebruin>	 In what way nikki?
[19:18:12] <nikki>	 chinese/korean names where people have assumed the first part must be the given name
[19:18:19] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ah, yes.
[19:18:31] <sjoerddebruin>	 Same with Icelandic I think
[19:19:07] <nikki>	 icelandic is a given name and a patronymic (and no surname), but I could see the same happening for hungarian, which has surnames first
[19:19:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 They should only do it on items with a nationality.
[19:21:11] <nikki>	 even that doesn't always work, it's a complete nightmare :/
[19:23:33] <sjoerddebruin>	 I also need to correct Dutch ones btw, mostly they use a shorter name of their first given name as "nickname" and then their family name. So Jacob could be the nickname of someone who is called Jacobus Kwak.
[19:26:26] <nikki>	 yeah, I know a dutch guy whose real name has no relation whatsoever to the name everyone knows him by
[19:30:05] <sjoerddebruin>	 You can also have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21004469
[19:30:59] <nikki>	 someone was indecisive...
[19:31:23] <nikki>	 I'm reminded of the stories I've heard of people naming their child after an entire football team
[19:32:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 I can't save the full name of https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe%2B585,_Senior
[19:34:10] <nikki>	 what the...
[19:34:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 We even have a spoken version, listen! :P
[19:41:20] <nikki>	 that's awesome :D
[19:52:59] <multichill>	 dennyvrandecic: Do you have any good data in Freebase about paintings/painters?
[19:53:51] <sjoerddebruin>	 Everyone needs dennyvrandecic today it seems.
[19:55:17] <multichill>	 Just noticed his email and that made me wonder
[19:56:33] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Did you get the OTRS talk page notice thingie?
[19:56:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: yup
[19:57:08] <multichill>	 Weird, didn't see it anywhere, did get the email
[20:37:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Still wondering why people do this. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q536775&action=history
[20:37:38] <sjoerddebruin>	 Is it because of the "new" design?
[21:22:54] <dennyvrandecic>	 sorry for being slow to answer :P
[21:23:08] <dennyvrandecic>	 sjoerddebruin: can you send me a screenshot? i cannot reproduce
[21:23:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 dennyvrandecic: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5rq5wnzfpa30gci/Schermafdruk%202015-10-01%2023.23.50.png?dl=0
[21:24:26] <dennyvrandecic>	 bedankt
[21:24:49] <sjoerddebruin>	 Not sure if Google Translate or...
[21:25:31] <dennyvrandecic>	 :D
[21:28:05] <Pyb>	 there is also some people with 234 years old in the Knowledge Graph ;)
[21:28:37] <dennyvrandecic>	 Pyb: ever heard of a company called Calico? ;)
[21:28:58] <Pyb>	 hehe
[21:32:46] * Pyb found it https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&q=%22+Philippe-Ga%C3%A9tan+Mathieu+de+Faviers%22
[21:34:47] <sjoerddebruin>	 Pyb: no box here
[21:34:56] <sjoerddebruin>	 Seems really focussed on languages...
[21:38:23] <Pyb>	 https://www.dropbox.com/s/tgnc4vsla47qa60/Philippe-Ga%C3%A9tan%20Mathieu%20de%20Faviers.jpg?dl=0
[21:59:04] <dennyvrandecic>	 Pyb: weird, cannot reproduce. but thanks for the image!