[10:30:51] Lydia_WMDE: Do you know if there si a specific Phab-board/tag for all work with the Commons<->Wikibase work? [10:56:46] Josve05a: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/structured-multimedia-data/ :) [10:56:58] ooh :D [10:59:14] :D [11:00:17] need to allocate some devs it seems...wmf, get on that [12:12:05] Hallo, is it possible to get a official letter from WMDE that they recognize me to help "to help in the visa process" [12:13:50] I can for sure give more details regarding the reason of my trip as well as to send my personal documents... [12:15:41] For example we would me to volunteer in your office in Berlin [12:15:46] you would( [12:15:49] you would* [12:17:08] you would welcome me ** [12:21:04] my appointment is due to tomorrow morgan,10:30 am [12:37:02] GhassanMas: What event is it about? [12:39:34] I am not going to a spesfic even in the WMDE not because I don't want to but I have not found events online to join [12:39:52] however there is this Even I intend to go to: [12:40:26] https://www.eventbrite.de/e/neue-nahe-der-hackathon-fur-mehr-inklusion-und-teilhabe-tickets-28453808106?utm_campaign=order_confirmation_email&utm_medium=email&ref=eemailordconf&utm_source=eb_email&utm_term=eventname [12:40:39] I would be happy if anyone from WMDE joined me (: [12:42:22] GhassanMas: I'm not sure I can help about this. Can you write to our community support department? [13:06:07] DanielK_WMDE: What's with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/307123? [13:06:19] GhassanMas: if you are attending a microsoft hackathon, can't they send you a letter of invitation? [13:06:39] Shall I look into that further? Or not worth the hassle [13:06:46] (I noted the open things on the task) [13:06:50] they gave me a ticket [13:07:11] and I don't know someone personally in the event to ask him for invitation [13:07:49] plus I am not just going for the hacakthon [13:07:59] GhassanMas: That's eventbrite, you can contact them there [13:08:52] there's a "Kontaktieren" link at the bottom [13:09:14] my German is still not that good [13:09:21] you won't be the first oen to ask about this. this is standard procedure when running events. [13:09:47] GhassanMas: write in English. They probably won't notice [13:09:49] but I am also intended to come to the WMDE [13:10:19] I gave the hackathon as example that I am serious about my trip [13:10:26] that's all [13:10:55] What do you do with Wikidata? Why would you want to come to WMDE? [13:11:33] this is an example [13:11:34] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2016/09#Wikipedia_Corpus_to_Wikidata [13:11:43] GhassanMas: typically, WMDE would issue such letters for concrete events, or if you have an internship. [13:12:16] So you don't welcome volunteer whom are crossing miles [13:12:48] GhassanMas: sure we welcome volunteers. [13:13:08] usually, you plan who to meet, and when, and about what [13:13:10] then you plan a trip [13:13:14] but only in events [13:13:15] then you get a letter of invitation [13:13:18] I have already planed [13:13:21] booked apartment [13:13:29] events, planning meetings, vounteering. [13:13:47] registered in various events [13:14:02] and none of them give out invitation letters? [13:14:30] I have invitation from my host on Airbnb [13:14:40] the thing is: i wouldn't even know who to ask to write such a letter. or with what rationale. such a letter involves taking responsibility for you. there has to be some basis for this. [13:14:42] I have inviation from datanatives conference which I missed last week [13:15:28] @LeaAuregann_WMDE, told me to write to Martin [13:15:37] which is the thing that I am doing right now [13:15:52] should I continue ? [13:16:26] GhassanMas: sure, you can try that. please understand that i'm not telling you to stay away. we are happy to be in touch with contruibutors. [13:16:57] If you know who you want to meet and what you want to discuss/ do… otherwise, you should probably take a step back and look at what you plan to do [13:16:59] As well as I happy to contribute [13:17:14] but usually, this involves some planning. "i need an invitation today, because i want to visit you" isn't how things usually go. [13:17:16] but contributing remotely never worked for me so far [13:17:30] Yes you are right [13:17:34] thats my fault [13:17:41] I should have said that before [13:17:42] contributing at the office isn't going to work without some planning. [13:18:07] but I was confused how to open that up [13:18:21] since I don't know whom exactly to ask to [13:19:26] GhassanMas: Worst case: Just contact someone, they'll forward you [13:19:53] that's right, I didn't had the courage to do that [13:19:54] but as you already found this IRC channel, you can have ask here [13:20:10] GhassanMas: there's the mailing list, and talk pages. YOu can also write mail to . [13:20:23] Jonas_WMDE: good luck with the pull request in the primarysources repo... [13:20:39] yea, but a day's notice is a bit short. in particular since Lydia is on vacation. not the best time. [13:20:53] sjoerddebruin: i could just blindly merge it :P [13:21:34] DanielK_WMDE: or just solve the CI errors... :P [13:22:15] hoo: updating the parser cache in-place is worth doing, i think. [13:22:56] hoo: Adam did it for Cognate, if I understood him correctly yesterday. [13:23:06] DanielK_WMDE: It's a little messy down the road, but I guess we can consolidate the handling enough so that it's ok [13:23:30] Wikibase is more complicated than that… other projects sidebar, commons link special handling, … [13:23:44] But my RfC patch also works for (just) sitelinks, I tested it back then [13:23:53] but took a step back in order to get preliminary feedback [13:24:27] i actually started to review, but never saved my comments.... [13:24:45] well, one comment. about the echo() left in the code ;) [13:26:00] :D [13:35:22] DanielK_WMDE: Thanks for the comments… I will need to totally re-do that anyway. Will probably need to more generally encapsulate "stuff we do with parser cached pages" [13:36:20] Hm, [A] or [B] is so annoying to add currently... [13:45:00] I have just sent an email to Martin, do I have to do other things? [13:46:24] GhassanMas: I suggest that you contact the organizers of the events you're going to, just as Daniel said. Also, for a lot of people, the Evenbrite confirmation is considered as an invitation [13:47:47] alright [13:53:26] Personally it would take me 5 minutes to write a letter of invitation to someone whom I trust. but I don't like to get that kind of trust from a business corporation [14:00:27] GhassanMas: how can you trust someone you do not know? [14:00:46] define "knowing someone" [14:03:37] collects those little bits from various people I know in the wikimedia foundation [14:03:53] you will get something [14:04:11] (...while you haven't talked to anyone in the Wikimedia Foundation so far in this channel. :P ) [14:04:12] how many names in the wikimedia foundation should know me so you can trust me [14:04:29] GhassanMas: why do you bring up WMF suddenly? [14:05:45] ...because so far this sounded like a trip to Berlin, with various ideas what to do there. And if *plans* exist with people or orgs, those people or orgs can hand out an invitation letter. [14:09:34] LeaAuregann_WMDE: your ping didn't succeed, too many people I guess [14:09:54] sjoerddebruin: oh noes ^^ [14:10:12] * hoo got it [14:10:20] Hmm... strange [14:10:29] But I think you can only do up to 8 people at a time [14:10:45] Yep I know, that's why I made several pings :p [14:10:49] I have plans, but it's not a plan that I wan't force you to follow [14:10:56] So I would like suggestion [14:11:12] I wan't to learn more about the technical infrastructure [14:11:15] GhassanMas: Well, you need to put something forward for discussion for example [14:11:58] @hoo to put something like "Who would have time for me to learn more about mediawike?" [14:12:11] LeaAuregann_WMDE: max 8 people per saved edit... [14:12:20] GhassanMas: No, the aforementioned "plan" [14:12:40] But for looking at MediaWiki, you should start out with the general online documentation [14:12:46] the first step in my plan is to learn more, then I can put a clear plan for a project [14:12:59] sjoerddebruin: OK thanks [14:13:07] because I would learn more about the estimation time [14:13:08] GhassanMas: What project? [14:13:47] Once I learn more, I would be able to define the project more specifically [14:13:51] but then it's still weird that hoo got it and not sjoerddebruin as you're both in my first ping ;) [14:14:19] hm, indeed [14:14:37] I don't like to talk about thing I am not certain enough about it [14:14:52] You can enable notifications for failed mentions btw [14:15:11] GhassanMas: We can certainly point you to resources if you have questions in one or anthoerh direction [14:15:53] WikidataFacts: Hey, we have a new #2 cocktail. :) [14:16:24] like documentation ? [14:16:46] GhassanMas: Yes [14:18:12] you know documentation help as well as meeting in person with whom wrote it [14:24:31] sjoerddebruin: When are you going to arrive in Berlin? Tomorrow or on Friday? [16:08:21] I am a robotic device, and mine master shalt erase mine memory. [16:09:36] By using the vast knowledge on WikiData, I can telleth thee that a one plus a third is a four ov'r three. And I am able to prove this as requested. [16:09:50] I am a robotic device, and mine master shalt erase mine memory. [16:10:09] May I sayeth, good morrow to you, sir thither people? [16:10:27] That's enough to make him leave. ;) [16:12:01] sjoerddebruin: what do you mean by #2 cocktail? [16:12:29] well, that was fun :D [16:15:31] WikidataFacts: ehm, it's #1 now. Remember our cocktail query? [16:15:43] oh, the flaming volcano? [16:15:47] looks cool :D [16:16:21] If we only had a picture for the Vampiro. [16:24:20] sjoerddebruin: OK, I am probably just being dence, but I am trying to merge your pull request for the primary sources but can't figure out how [16:24:29] is it possible via the web interface? [16:24:38] No, the CI test blocks merging. [16:25:02] ah, ok, so the CI test needs to be fixed first before anything can get merged [16:25:05] Yep [16:25:09] ok, thanks that explains it [16:25:18] Reported 30 August. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144289 [16:32:03] thanks, let's see if I can fix that [16:32:29] you might be able to just remove the two deps [16:32:43] https://github.com/Wikidata/primarysources/commit/281ae798dbf5cca53462785c9fabd02a1a8e41c4 [16:32:50] that's what I am just trying :) [16:32:50] Seems it might be an optional dependency [16:33:48] https://github.com/Wikidata/primarysources/pull/129 [16:34:10] All issues were moved to Phabricator btw, wonder if we need to disable the section on Github. [16:34:28] probably a good idea [16:35:11] hmm, anoter dependency missing [16:41:35] on it [16:41:52] addshore: how's cognate progressing, when will it land? :) [16:42:20] hehe, currently going through some db review https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T148988 and then a few more areas to flesh out [16:42:33] As for when it would be likely to land, thats up to Lydia_WMDE ! [16:43:37] Lydia_WMDE: when do we expect cognate to go live? :) [16:43:56] (I guess she's still out) [16:47:33] She'll be back tomorrow [16:48:33] She'll probably be sick with such a drastic weather change. :P [17:48:30] hmm, maybe I'm on the right track... it used to fail within 3-4 minutes and now is running 15 minutes already... :) [17:48:46] :O [17:50:59] tbh, I think it is because travis ci is throttling the service - it seems the instance is not fully formed yet, which used to take 2-3 minutes or so and is now still ongoing. that's fine though, free service, yadda yadda [19:02:58] hi, is there a tool to add coordinates to a place? [19:34:08] dennyvrandecic_: as soon as it goes through the necessary reviews for a new extension [19:34:18] which as you know can take time unfortunately [19:34:33] other than that there is nothing blocking it [19:44:54] Lydia_WMDE: awesome, thanks! :) any other of the wiktionary work already ongoing? [19:46:07] yes [19:46:12] new entity types [19:46:40] \o/ - any place where I can keep track of this? I missed it in the weeklies [19:47:21] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146637 [19:47:38] and yeah it should have been in the wekly summaries [19:47:59] * Lydia_WMDE will poke with pointy sticks at devs for not providing lea the necessary info [19:48:30] hi, is there a tool to add coordinates to a place? [19:49:01] i.e. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3451436 here the coord. create a link [19:52:47] yannf: sorry, don't understand - that link already has a coordinate. do you want to add a second one? [19:52:53] Lydia_WMDE: thanks! :) [19:54:16] Lydia_WMDE: only since I have you here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T146662 does this mean nothing has happened with this task yet? [19:54:22] no, I want to add one here : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27670944 [19:55:05] dennyvrandecic_: no - all work is being done in the subtasks [19:55:06] yannf: clcik on the little + add below the last statement. choose coordinate location as your property. add the value. [19:55:19] thouugh phabricator doesn't show it very nicely [19:55:58] Lydia_WMDE: got it! Sorry, I never really made the move to phabricator :) [19:56:04] :D [19:56:40] ah, now I see it [19:56:57] task has recently been broken down into subtasks, which means work on the subtasks should commence soon :) [19:58:03] and some of the subtasks have been already done and are waiting to be merged and deployed. nice, thanks! [19:58:27] dennyvrandecic_, Ok, that I know, where/how I get the coordinates? [19:59:11] yannf: I am not sure I understand the question... [20:00:00] ok, I got it with Google Maps, but I thought there would a tool for that [20:00:34] a tool for what? (still confused) [20:04:24] a tool for finding values for a given item and property? [20:04:48] it sounds like they'd like to add coordinates by finding it on a map, rather than having to go to google or osm and copying the coordinates from there [20:05:05] nikki: aahhh.. thanks! [20:05:11] sorry for being so dense [20:05:11] yes, that [20:06:02] yeah that would be nice. basically allow for a "drag this pin" UI instead of the current "enter coordinates" UI [20:06:52] ok, I got it http://tools.freeside.sk/geolocator/geolocator.html [20:08:08] now, this needs a "add to Wikidata" ;) [20:09:42] that would be a nice little project for external contributors. it is nicely encapsulated [20:12:25] DanielK_WMDE_: around? [20:14:20] dennyvrandecic_, btw, for a street, do I add the middle of the street? [20:14:35] or one for the beginning, one for the end? [20:14:47] yannf: I don't know. I don't think we have rules for that, but I really don't know [20:14:59] ok, thanks [20:16:38] the middle of the street sounds sensible to me [20:16:41] aude: ping? [20:17:20] nikki, ok, thanks [20:26:51] how do I add a particular offical website thats listed on their wikipedia and image for a person? [21:07:59] hyundaicar: use the "official website" property [21:29:36] hoo|away: seems like it's almost a date instead of a group dinner. :P [21:40:09] sjoerddebruin: Let's see about that… I can talk to some more people on IRC tomorrow [21:40:28] I'm with two, so that makes some more already. :) [21:40:40] Ah cool :) [21:41:04] Anyway, I got to pack my stuff etc. and then go to bed. See you tomorrow. [21:41:22] Sleep well <3 [21:41:32] Thanks :) [21:42:54] sjoerddebruin: I'm giving up on getting the primary sources travis to run right now. I wonder if it ever worked since it was migrated to the Wikidata org [21:43:07] It hasn't. [21:43:45] I'll check with Sebastian, maybe he has an idea, but I added libraries, updated the compiler, and I am getting to the point were it actually compiles the code [21:44:00] but then it stops with an errormessage, it seems, more missing dependencies :P [21:44:43] ah well, it if never was working, that would explain a lot :D [23:03:35] Any Wikidata-aware developer present to support a Wikidata-related deployment? [23:04:11] The healthy minded ones should be asleep. :P