[03:34:42] Hi, I've been getting the message "Warning: Page using Template:Authority control with "MBA", please move this to Wikidata if possible (this message is shown only in preview)." [03:34:51] (And three others) [03:35:39] It's all in Wikidata but I keep getting the same message when editing this one article [03:37:23] it's not something I can help with, but anyone who can will probably ask you which article you're editing [03:38:30] thanks for responding nikki. I'll check in some other time [06:36:47] moin moin... I'm trying to add a statement to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2477331 ... but I don't seem able to edit it... [06:37:37] anyone has some idea why this is the case? [10:30:08] egonw: are you still unable to edit it? [10:31:02] anyway I've been having similar problems with other items, for me it's https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T170668 [10:39:05] nikki: no, seems to work again [10:39:31] egonw: I purged that specific page after I saw your message in the chat log [10:40:00] ok, thanks... Google Scholar handle for Luc Soete added :) [11:49:45] Hello, what is the meaning of "[AUTO_LANGUAGE]" in wikibase:language? [12:00:11] Ciccio_ the query service UI replaces it with the user interface language before it sends the query to the query service [12:00:28] so if you set https://query.wikidata.org/ to e. g. Spanish, you get Spanish labels [12:06:59] Ok, perfect! Thank you Lucas_WMDE once again! [12:07:09] you’re welcome :) [12:15:43] 395k edits yesterday. [12:30:48] is that a lot compared to normal? [12:30:53] * nikki doesn't know how many edits we normally get [12:37:55] I think an average day is double. [12:39:50] ah [12:39:59] I see stalest lag is now under 3 days [12:53:57] Yeah, and average is still dropping. [13:06:02] is gzwder just creating items for *any* unlinked page on *any* wiki or something? [13:06:08] * nikki merges yet another dupe [13:17:47] right now I would love a rule saying no mass creation of items without statements :P [13:18:30] 'cause I also came across a bunch magnus added and he should know better :( [14:10:24] Lucas_WMDE: I see it now lists the other items with the same value :D [14:10:36] although only in one direction... probably caching issues again >_< [14:10:41] oh, right, yes, that was also part of the deployment :) [14:10:46] …what? [14:10:51] it should happen in all directions [14:10:55] the message is never cached [14:11:50] nikki: do you have an example? [14:12:18] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q45756 the id 13201 which is also on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7406318 [14:12:39] (added the wrong one by mistake, I was waiting to see if the message would appear before removing it) [14:12:56] I see the other items on both of them [14:13:04] “This property's value must not be present on any other item, but is also present on Black Rocks.” [14:13:09] hmph. [14:13:15] *now* I do [14:13:22] but I refreshed a couple of times before and didn't [14:13:28] did you change the rank of one of the statements perchance? [14:13:32] no [14:13:34] hm [14:15:00] do you see it on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4115189? [14:15:46] there I don’t see any “distinct values” violation at all [14:15:51] *that* might be due to caching [14:16:00] that's what I meant [14:16:03] oh, I see [14:16:29] okay, then I assume you checked the item very quickly after adding the other statement [14:16:36] so the query ran before the update had propagated to the query service [14:16:42] and then that result was cached for 5 minutes [14:16:52] does that sound possible? [14:17:00] yes [14:17:17] Excuse me if I come back to an old question, I do not understand the reason why some entities are both "subclasses" of something and "instance" of something else. It resembles they are element of a set, but also possible sets themselves. What is the rationale? [14:17:23] I thought you meant that the message was different in one direction, sorry [14:17:46] I should explain things more clearly :) [14:17:46] I’m not sure if there’s any way to fix this, though [14:18:04] without completely getting rid of caching [14:18:36] btw, another part of the deployed code is being able to see how often we get cached results… and it’s a considerable chunk [14:18:55] (https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-quality?orgId=1&from=now-48h&to=now&refresh=10s&panelId=8&fullscreen, select just “count” and “cache hits” with ctrl held) [14:19:05] I don’t think we can afford to kill query caching altogether [14:20:13] I wonder if there's a way to vary it depending on when an item was last edited, like if an item was edited in the x seconds/minutes/whatever, don't use cached results since there's a reasonable chance that the violations might be different [14:20:59] but in your case, the item where the violation was missing was the item you didn’t edit, right? [14:21:36] no, I added the id, refreshed it and didn't see anything, but when I checked manually I found the other item [14:21:56] same for the sandbox, the sandbox was the item where I added it and also the item where the violation wasn't shown [14:23:03] okay [14:41:30] Well, I've found an explanation about my subclass/instance membership conundrum here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Basic_membership_properties. In theory is clear, in practice not :D e.g., KRAS (Q20969980) is an instance of the Class Gene (Q7187), but KRAS is also a subset of the Class protein-coding gene (Q20747295), and protein-coding gene is a subset of Gene. Finally, KRAS as a set is empty. Pretty wired design pattern...i [14:45:18] Ciccio_: "instance of" is technically wrong here. a single physical gene would be an instance. KRAS is the class of these individuals. We have had the same discussions before regarding Ethanol being an insteance of or a subclass of Alcohol. [14:45:37] In the end it was decided that it must be a subclass, even if that is counter-productive. [14:45:48] err, counter-intuitive, sorry :D [14:46:05] haha [14:46:14] I like the idea of us deciding to do counter-productive things :) [14:46:32] ;D [14:46:55] one reason being that it's possible to define subclasses of alcohol (and probably also of KRAS, at least theoretically). That doesn#t make sense for an instance. [14:47:10] (unless it'S an instance of the class Class...) [14:49:06] DanielK_WMDE: what do you think to things like "instance of taxon" plus "subclass of dog"? [14:49:10] DanielK_WMDE: ok. Probably 'instance Of' could be fine if we consider that a set could also be also an instance of another set (if we don't want to stay unde "decidable" logic). [14:49:31] * too much 'also's :D [14:49:53] hey y'all [14:50:11] I had a (maybe crazy) idea for the WikidataCon : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Submissions/Request_a_query_booth [14:50:48] does anyone, who knows SPARQL and who will go to the WikidataCon, wants to help me? [14:51:04] nikki: since taxon is a class of classes, i think that's ok [14:51:27] oh good, 'cause we have stuff like that :) [14:51:41] ...mind blowing [14:51:43] :) [14:51:45] Ciccio_: i'm uneasy about the use of "set" here, and it'S distinction (or not?) from "class". [14:52:39] but sure, classes are also instances - at least instance of Class. In particular, it's ok for a class to be an instance of a class that is defined to be a class of classes [14:52:45] (upper ontology modeling is fun) [14:54:26] VIGNERON: I won't be there, but the most obvious person who might be interested would be Lucas_WMDE [14:54:48] DanielK_WMDE: why do u feel uncomfortable with sets? I think that memebership is based on set theory : ) [14:55:14] Ciccio_: if we consider classes and sets to be the same, then fine. [14:55:28] if they are somehow nearly the same but not quite, i'd like to know how exactly they are different [14:56:44] maybe i should read research papers on ontology again [14:56:53] just found this on my old professor's homepage [14:56:57] https://wiki.imise.uni-leipzig.de/Groups/OntoMed/Public/OntologySymposium2011 [15:00:57] Oh, ok...I'm biased by W3C/OWL world where sets and instances are kept in two differente logical boxes. This is not a modelling issue but a way to keep your model "decidable". OWL2 introduced punning (http://wiki.opensemanticframework.org/index.php/Metamodeling_in_Domain_Ontologies) and allowed ontologist to use the same IRIs (identifiers) for a class a for an instance. From the reasoning point of view, they are still considered t [15:04:38] A real never-ending story : ) [15:04:56] looks like we have a lot of long alternative P31/P279 chains: http://tinyurl.com/y8nc3er8 [15:05:32] *alternating [15:05:38] I facing this conundrums because I'm trying to build a little ontology starting from the amazing wikidata KB [15:07:22] WikidataFacts: yep, great query! Probably I have to choose which chain to leverage [15:07:51] *I'm facing these (typos) [16:02:53] Is there a reason the wikimedia.org api has no cors headers? Makes using it via javascript pretty painful. [16:08:38] Oh, it seems you can passi it the origin via &origin=... that it will send back in the headers. [19:59:20] hello! anyone aware of query.wikidata.org rate limits? I can't find this info and I got a task that needs many requests that thus gets blocked, I would like to now how to adjust :) [20:01:50] maxlath: there’s a limit of 5 connections per IP, and that’s it, I think [20:01:56] (plus the 60 s query timeout) [20:02:21] WikidataFacts: thanks! [20:03:36] maxlath: did you do many requests a few days ago? [20:04:33] WikidataFacts: no, I have been doing them in the last hour [20:04:44] ok [20:18:27] Where I can help with translation of the interface elements with regards to Wikidata? [20:20:36] Da_: i think it's https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:MediaWiki [20:20:48] i see "Wikibase" in there too [20:21:03] Wikibase is the extension for wikidata [20:21:17] https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-wikibase-repo and any other group that’s “Wikibase” or “Wikidata”, I think [20:22:25] https://translatewiki.net - is exactly what I am searching, just forgot the URL. Thanks! [20:22:25] looks like https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=wikidata-0-all might be a catch-all group for everything wikidata related [22:21:56] Wow, the amount of edits is really low on the 21st. http://wikidata.wikiscan.org/date/20170721/stats [22:46:32] hey [22:46:43] QuickStatements is down? [22:48:31] no? [22:56:02] that would be pretty amusing… “wow, the amount of edits is really low” *twenty minutes later* “QuickStatements is down?” [22:57:26] it doesn't work at least for me