[10:45:07] Hello there, can anyone explain to me what is the purpose of the users' talk pages? [10:45:48] ie. discussione pages [10:47:19] *discussion [11:21:35] to talk.. with the user... [11:25:52] atluxity: neat :D I was just wondering use cases. Probably, I guess, to talk about editings or action related to wikidata life. : ) [11:27:06] yes, the user will get a notification that someone has put something on the usertalk page [11:27:41] and this is publicly readable, so not all kind of communication will suit, but much [11:28:02] then it is also possible to see history if the user has been told something before or whatnot [11:29:47] thank you atluxity : ) [12:16:18] Well, I'd like to make a little contribution to wikidata and I'd like to load basica data of all the schools in an italian region. I'm quite new to wikidata's contribution system so I'd like to know where to start. Probably I've to build a bot. Please could you tell me what is the more proper path to start contributing in that way :) [12:21:46] floatingpurr: I would suggest that you first edit a few items manually, to become familiar with the data format and the conventions [12:22:01] then, you can have a look at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Data_Import_Guide [12:22:30] and you can ask for help here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Data_Import_Hub [12:26:07] pintoch: I've just edited few items also anonymously in the past. I'm quite aware of data model, So, I try to move on to other references : ) Thank you! [12:44:09] Love the Wikidata information in Siri now. :) [12:44:56] my only issue with wikidata is that it is not easy to understand where one can correct a mistake [12:45:28] Hm? [12:53:42] https://twitter.com/sjoerddebruin/status/910487090026221568 [13:01:15] sjoerddebruin: nice! screenshots like that are much appreciated when you don't have access to that software yourself :) [13:01:32] Yes, I had to change my phone language for that. [13:04:25] :D [13:56:46] yurik: I was reading the archives for that discussion on that osm mailing list... I would expect wikidata tags to fairly unique (except for roads and rivers that are split into lots of parts), so any values which are used a lot of times (or in completely different locations) should probably be something other than a plain "wikidata" tag [13:56:56] that sounds like it would be fairly easy to query for (if it doesn't time out) [13:57:56] doesn't help if someone's only misused it once though... [13:59:32] nikki, that's why there are OSM relations - wikidata tag should not be attached to a segment of a road or a river [13:59:47] relation is simply a container for other ways/nodes/other relations [14:00:01] but that container can (should) have tags of its own [14:00:26] well, someone can come up with a way to fix those cases too if they want [14:01:00] but "would be better as a relation" is a different problem to "should use a different tag" [14:01:15] sjoerddebruin: wow, the siri integration is awesome ! [14:04:46] with apple maps too [14:07:48] thedj: "where in the world is denny vrandecic"? [14:08:40] lolz [14:08:52] another query that might find some: ids used in "brand:wikidata" should probably not be used in "wikidata" (except maybe the headquarters? that bit would probably need a whitelist) [14:10:06] if you click through to a topic that doesn't have a wikipedia article, you get "From Wikidata" (no link though) [14:10:21] that would probably be a good way of catching new occurrences of ones which someone previously fixed [14:15:55] nikki, also, about different tags - you are right about multiple uses - that's why in many cases OSM uses "brand:wikidata" or "subject:wikidata" [14:15:59] that work is just starting [14:16:52] yes, I'm offering suggestions on other ways to find ones which need fixing [14:17:19] ah, yes, understood, agree [14:17:38] (I'm not subscribed to that mailing list and hate writing emails anyway, so I'm talking here instead :)) [14:29:20] hehe [14:32:05] thedj: it indeed is, lovely for family trees [14:34:19] And there is now fallback for languages that don't have a local Wikipedia article. [14:36:15] sjoerddebruin: yeah they also do followed by etc now. realy cool [14:36:41] Would love them using "position held" though. [14:37:11] They already used Wikidata, only the clicktrough is new in iOS 11. [14:37:18] it's still a whitelist of properties though. [14:38:03] if you go to sts-118 (one of my common test articles), you get very few properties, even though it has many on wikidata [14:38:15] Try "Hans van Mierlo" ;) [14:39:24] And yes, most properties they use are around humans. [14:39:35] exactly that's what i noticed. [14:43:57] They could at least add maps. [14:44:22] of what ? [14:44:31] Geographical places. [14:44:43] they link to maps [14:45:11] Not all of them, weirdly enough. [14:45:16] if you look for Paris, at the bottom there is "Open in maps" [14:45:28] Only when they have a Wikipedia article. [14:45:52] Lydia_WMDE, is it possible for the GoToLinkedPage to go to "anything" ? [14:45:59] ah [14:46:27] I've tried a local football club (i've been trying to make items for their head venues instead of having coordinates on the club itself), but it's still pretty basic. [14:46:45] Lydia_WMDE, without it, it will be just like we already have in the WDQS examples page - a huge list of fallbacks always passed in [14:48:49] thedj: something weirdly is going on at "Cambridge", at least in Dutch. It just shows "1" instead of "1st century". [14:49:14] Also, they don't like only end dates. [14:52:16] Technical Advice IRC meeting in 10 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @addshore & @Tobi_WMDE_SW - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [15:02:31] yurik: what's the use case for "anything"? [15:02:41] yurik: "i speak all languages"? [15:04:07] yurik: for labels, "anything" is still useful, because chances are good you can read or at least copy&paste a label in some random language. But how does it help me to see a wp article in a random language? [15:04:50] DanielK_WMDE: ping for WMDS meeting [15:04:52] DanielK_WMDE, thing is, we do speak all languages. Its called google translate. When I click on an OSM object in OSM editor, which has WD id, i would like to specify a list of the languages i know, plus maybe a few in my family, but in the worst case, *anything* is far better than nothing [15:05:20] because i can right click and autotranslate [15:05:48] seeing a page that "your combination doesn't exist, please try again" is much worse :) [15:05:49] file a feature request [15:06:37] DanielK_WMDE, i did - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176317 -- Lydia_WMDE closed it because *most of it* is already done (which i am very excited about!!!), but not all :) [15:07:15] i will file a new one [16:13:42] https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%92%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%BF?action=info#mw-wikibase-pageinfo-entity-usage :) [16:15:04] hoo: nice! [16:15:43] Needs some UI sprinkles still, but looks promising [16:15:57] links would be nice [16:16:31] links and labels, yes [16:16:38] I'll open a bug [16:16:46] Is there a list of non-wikidata wikibase instances? [16:17:06] hoo: why does it have X usage for Q102844? [16:17:19] Nikerabbit: http://wikiba.se/projects/ [16:18:40] ...we are in the process of helping with setting up another one [16:18:55] for historical research on the illuminati, of all things :) [16:19:57] hoo: how does one get a site into that list? [16:20:12] phab ticket, i guess [16:20:30] Yeah, phab ticket or gerrit change [16:20:45] actually, i think the source for the site is on gerrit :) [16:20:59] DanielK_WMDE: Well, it uses P6 from Berlin… but I have no idea where [16:23:42] just showing it shold cause L and maybe T usage, not X. probably old lua code... [16:24:25] Yeah, probably old Lua code [16:24:47] with the pending patch which splits X usages up, this would be fine [16:24:53] but I don't think that's going to fly [16:25:11] we have statement usages on elwiki for 4:30h now and the number of usages almost doubled [16:42:45] hoo next step would be to be able to watch them all, especially watch only those properties that are actually used on a page [16:45:04] the interesting corollary is that if there is a conditional usage, all parts of that condition should be watched. E.g. if there is an {{#if}} template or a lua script that checks a specific value, and that value changes or gets created/deleted, the watch should be triggerde [16:46:41] yurik: Yes, that's what's currently happening [16:46:47] if I understand you correclty [16:47:01] hoo you mean it already exists? [16:47:17] or is that what you are working on? [16:47:44] Well, we already track all Wikidata usages already, but currently we track them way to broad [16:48:01] but we already track all relevant data usages (also if they "miss") [19:06:03] addshore: why are some behind? https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel-statements?refresh=30m&panelId=3&fullscreen&orgId=1 [19:16:34] yurik: what about if the page listed all the available pages instead of just the error? (something like "there is no page for that wiki, here's the available ones: ...") [19:17:54] (that seems like it would be useful whether it supports * or not... right now it's just like "ok... so now what?") [19:18:23] Shouldn't Wikinews articles always be separate entities? [19:18:41] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q40355642&type=revision&diff=562602137&oldid=562577087 [19:19:19] I would expect so, yes [19:19:46] in the same way the wikisource biographies are separate items [19:20:00] There could be more articles about one subject, for example. [19:20:05] yep [19:24:05] Is there an easy way to fetch a list of these? [19:30:23] hm. I think the difficulty would be filtering out categories [19:30:43] But just fetch sitelinks that don't have P31:wikinews article? [19:32:13] I wish we had the namespace for sitelinks in the query service [19:51:50] http://tinyurl.com/y7kzuphq is about the best I can do [22:08:42] DanielK_WMDE: gentle ping about https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/372905/ :)