[08:07:55] bleh, is there a way to partially undo this? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2001181&type=revision&diff=569579740&oldid=549536504 [09:52:49] hi [13:24:44] i named a star & i want to make a page on wikipedia about the star & the name how can i do it or contact wikipedia? [14:39:04] Lydia_WMDE: Can you get someone to help Jaime out with https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T171027#3667090 ? [14:40:33] Reedy: Oo [14:40:40] yes [14:40:48] hoo|away: ^ [14:40:57] Two fold at least... One, helping him stop the problem getting any worse [14:40:58] Amir1: ^ [14:41:07] And two... working out what to do longer term [14:42:02] yikes [14:47:43] Lydia_WMDE: are you aware of any changes to the statementview? :/ [14:48:25] sjoerddebruin: we added highlighting for input that can't be recognized [14:49:19] But not like a breaking change or something? Links to Commons on statements are provided by AuthorityControl, right? [14:49:35] no nothing should have changed there [14:50:11] Links to Commons aren't working anymore, tried to fix it myself first. [14:50:13] for properties with commons media datatype not [14:50:17] Ah [14:50:22] only for properites with string datatype [14:50:23] iirc [14:50:46] I mean Commons category and gallery though, sorry for being unclear [14:51:15] yeah those should come from the authority control gadget [14:51:26] i am pretty sure we didn't change anything there [14:51:33] 99.5% sure :D [14:51:36] Identifiers still work for some reason. [14:51:44] yeah those are linked by wikibase [14:52:21] I'm not getting helpful JavaScript errors, weirdly enough. [14:52:29] mphf [14:56:18] Anyway, task is there. [14:56:24] Lot of regression this week. :/ [14:58:13] :( [14:58:31] Wonder if https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176604 is the cause :| [15:02:12] uhhh I thought that already went live a while ago [15:02:26] I'll poke Lucas [15:02:49] I phabpoked him already. [15:03:47] ah ok [15:03:49] thx [15:04:14] And if I read correctly. that went live on Wed. [15:04:50] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/Archive/2017/10#Wednesday.2C.C2.A0October.C2.A004 [15:05:19] I love how Wikidata is not mentioned while Wikiversity and others are. :P [15:23:56] Noticed that Siri also shows the broad categories of death now. [15:36:15] I just got here [15:40:49] Lydia_WMDE: I will look into this [16:12:55] Amir1: Lydia_WMDE: If you need anything, I should be around for most of the day [16:13:07] This sounds super bad… [16:33:25] multichill: aware of http://friesscheepvaartmuseum.nl? [16:33:31] Things like http://friesscheepvaartmuseum.nl/beeld/fsm-col1-dat1000012623 [17:09:16] quick question: Q943017 and Q19824847 looks like duplicates to me - what do you think? [17:10:15] One is a Wikimedia list and one is a subclass of national park... [17:12:00] sjoerddebruin: but what about interwiki? they seems to be linking to same type of articles... [17:12:29] Depends on their content. If it is more like a list, the sitelink should be moved and vice-versa. [17:12:47] We can't use Wikimedia lists as internal data structure. [17:14:37] sjoerddebruin: so Q19824847 should link to lists of parks and Q943017 to general overview of what are national parks in France? [17:14:49] Yes. :) [17:15:30] so it looks like only the french article is anything more than a simple list... [17:15:36] :P [17:19:37] Moving some around now. [17:20:29] sjoerddebruin: it looks only fr and ar should remain where they are [17:20:54] I only looked a categorisation so far. [17:21:17] Now we end up in the grey area. :/ [17:21:49] sjoerddebruin: thanks for looking into it, haven't touched wikidata that much before... [17:22:15] No problem, you are not the first one to see weird situations like this. :) [17:56:47] sjoerddebruin: Looks nice [17:57:14] sjoerddebruin: Can you add it to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Location/Netherlands ? :-) [17:57:17] 66759 :D [17:58:31] Any idea how to filter out the paintings? [18:01:02] Maybe there is a term for them? [18:01:12] Paged navigation for 13784 terms :/ [18:01:58] http://friesscheepvaartmuseum.nl/collectie/zoeken-in-de-beeldcollectie/indeling/gallery/q/zoekveld/schilderij/trefwoord/Trefwoorden/Schilderijen?memorixbeeldsearch=jup [18:02:35] Love the "jup" :P [18:04:18] Some paintings aren't tagged though. :/ [18:04:47] Like, a lot. [18:22:15] Amir1: thanks for looking into it! [18:22:47] Lydia_WMDE: Well, we are disabling inject RC records for commonswiki ruwiki and some other (probably small) wikis [18:22:53] that's not good :D [18:23:02] indeed [18:26:42] Lydia_WMDE: recent news, we can wait until Monday, so I can use the rest of the weekend [18:27:15] sweet [18:27:49] Of course, the other fix, is to just stop editing Wikidata [18:27:57] Amir1: any idea if this is "normal" or caused by a massive spike in edits affecting these wikis? or something else? [18:28:04] Reedy: tststs [18:28:05] ;-) [18:28:19] Lydia_WMDE: Apparently it's been growing steadily for the last 3 months or so [18:28:30] (the amount of disk space that recentchanges takes up) [18:28:34] Lydia_WMDE: as Reedy said [18:28:41] and especially on commons? [18:28:56] but I think the biggest reason is arbitrary access on commons [18:28:57] I think we store roughly 3 months of recentchanges on WMF wikis [18:29:06] We store 1 month [18:29:11] 3 is mediawiki default, but wmf is one [18:29:13] lol, even better [18:29:15] The table size, in most cases, should stay consistent [18:29:26] right [18:29:26] But the fact it's been growing for months on end... [18:29:32] Either there's new stuff going into the table [18:29:35] Lydia_WMDE: There's a thread on commons village pump if you're interested in pitch forks :P [18:29:38] Or there's been a lot more edits affecting their wikis [18:29:39] That's what you get with 20m edits per month ;P [18:29:40] so i know that people have been porting a lot of templates on commons [18:29:41] if you do a select * from recentchanges where rc_source = 'wb' limit 10; [18:29:48] bawolff: oh dear ok [18:29:49] on commons, everything is very unrelated [18:29:54] bawolff: the "WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I USE MY FUCKING HUGE WATCHLIST?" fork? [18:30:03] yeah that one ;) [18:30:14] -.- [18:30:24] * Lydia_WMDE goes and cries in a corner [18:30:28] I think a lot of it is related to how commons fetches labels [18:30:36] right [18:30:42] it fetchs the whole property because it wants to do its own i18n fallback [18:30:46] question is is there anything we can do to improve it there [18:30:54] We are fixing that perticular part. [18:30:55] i see [18:31:02] cool [18:31:30] the thing in general is, wikidata is a center to 500 wikis, and editing on it should be done by care as it effects a lots of places [18:31:34] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173262 [18:31:36] but it's the other way around [18:31:53] Country labels might be troublesome for example this way. [18:31:56] people do millions of edit at rate of 180 edits /min to add simple desc. or labels [18:32:03] I suspect that https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172914 would help with the commons case specificly, but I don't know much about wikidata [18:32:27] hoo: do you have https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T173262 on your todo list? [18:32:31] see discussion above [18:33:17] What if I edit the file information template to fetch something from https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q30300250&action=history :P [18:33:20] Will the server just melt or [18:34:10] sjoerddebruin: We have more than one server [18:34:12] I think the problem is the number of edits [18:34:17] In regards to normal vs spike. The pattern does seem to be spikes, that occur regularly [18:34:31] if users squeeze edits into one, we don't have that much problem, database-wise and job-wise [18:34:32] https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-edits?refresh=1m&panelId=7&fullscreen&orgId=1 [18:34:36] For example, oct 2 - oct 3 rc entries on commons spiked to 6 million [18:34:54] just for that day [18:36:57] https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-entity-usage?refresh=5m&panelId=16&fullscreen&orgId=1 [18:37:13] usage on commons is definitely growing [18:37:26] Who upset the Chinese? [18:37:36] lol [18:37:38] noone [18:37:51] we changed how language fallbacks are counted [18:37:59] and they use a lot of that [18:38:23] enwiki is also growing [18:38:39] but fr went down [18:38:50] though that might also be the fallback issue [18:39:17] cawiki then? [18:40:13] Lydia_WMDE: Yes I do… just priorized it behind the sitelink one (which had high on phab) [18:40:22] hoo: ok cool [18:40:33] :D [18:40:49] Looking at page views now, spambots still looking for "Bulletin board system" [18:40:57] Oo [18:42:58] Most edited items are events like fires or attacks. :/ [18:45:40] Amir1: Hey, having a good time in Berlin? Will be there around the Wikidata conference [18:46:08] Hey, Yeah, definitely [18:46:24] I love the city but it didn't love me back and gave me cold instead [18:46:36] oh no! [18:46:45] And yes, some people on Commons are really taking out the pitch forks. People blame the wrong stuff on Wikidata [18:47:25] My holiday just started, sort of (ended up working today) and I might have a slight cold too [18:47:35] Slightly cough here. [18:48:35] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Object_location_data_being_hijacked_away_to_Wikidata <- Jarek doesn't deserve this shit [18:48:51] I expected here to be cold but not that cold [18:48:52] "I don’t like this" [18:49:04] And accusing him of vandalism [18:49:16] What, people on commons with pitchforks! I never heard such a thing ;) [18:49:37] One thing about commons is probably narrower change dispatching but that's super super complex to implement [18:50:01] And the Commons lua modules just grab the who item anyway [18:50:10] *whole item [18:51:29] Would it be possible to maybe have a limit on how many rc entries are dispatched for an item? Say if an item is used on a million pages, only dispatch the first 100. It seems unlikey having an rc entry for all a million pages would be useful, and that would reduce flooding [18:51:55] bawolff: Dispatch lag would be awesome for fighting vandalism [18:52:01] Remember talking with Daniel about that [18:52:16] The higher the usage, the longer the cooldown period would be [18:54:12] Lydia_WMDE: A lot of the pushback on the other projects is because of the Wikidata inability to handle vandalism [18:54:44] That should have the highest priority to prevent more drama [18:55:02] multichill: yeah [18:55:58] Maybe a good topic for the Wikidata conference [18:56:09] It's part tools (Tech) and part community [18:56:24] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Submissions/Main_problems_and_challenges_of_Wikidata [18:58:18] The program at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Program/Saturday is insane. Session until 23:00? [19:00:08] Yeah, and sessions during lunch. Don't know why the program committee didn't just limit tracks and sessions. [19:00:17] and dinner [19:00:46] Newbie mistakes? [19:00:59] Why stop at 2300? [19:01:13] There will always be people for beer. :P [19:01:53] Also: volunteers needed https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikidataCon_2017/Volunteer [19:09:24] As an aside, in regards to the current situation with recentchanges on commons. Probably a large part of the spike was due to edits to Q142 (France) . When an item is used on 200,000 pages, having 35 edits in a day = about 8 million entries on the commons rc [19:09:55] rofl [20:17:07] What property would you use to indicate the brewing method of a beer, like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1974667 [20:17:19] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2079? [20:20:13] multichill, do you have any idea? [23:43:40] Is is possible for a statement to be an array?