[06:38:11] <harej>	 Is there any way, through the database tables, to figure out which properties are used on which items? I was thinking of using the pagelinks table, but that includes pagelinks that are in references – I just want property links in the main snak.
[07:19:11] <harej>	 (And the issue with WDQS here is that there’s too much stuff for it to work properly)
[13:10:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 addshore: does average statements per item include identifiers?
[13:12:32] <addshore>	 yes
[13:13:23] <sjoerddebruin>	 Okay, cool. :)
[14:01:28] <oMikekiMo>	 hello
[14:07:04] <oMikekiMo>	 I would like to know if there is a way i could retreive the list of properties, but arranged into the same categories as they are ordered on this page: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties using a sparql query 
[14:07:43] <oMikekiMo>	 or to put it another way, lets say i want to get just the properties in the "generic" section back as json
[14:09:31] <oMikekiMo>	 i have looked through a lot of docs and i have stumbled on wikimedia:Group but i dont know if i am barking up the wrong tree or not
[14:38:04] <multichill>	 oMikekiMo: You can query sparql for properties and what instance they are 
[14:39:40] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: any idea how I can search in the GTAA?
[14:41:01] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh, got it.
[14:41:06] <sjoerddebruin>	 Not really easy. :|
[15:07:28] <oMikekiMo>	 thank you multichill, that gives me a thread i can pull on.
[15:07:57] <oMikekiMo>	 ti have been able to get properties back, but i am having trouble formating the list
[16:12:23] <multichill>	 oMikekiMo: Check out http://tinyurl.com/ya8l2my7
[16:12:27] <multichill>	 Might be useful for you
[16:55:56] <marktraceur>	 Hey DanielK_WMDE_, is there anything helpful I can do with your patch for the MediaInfo changes? It looks like Thiemo has some issues with it still?
[16:59:28] <marktraceur>	 (for reference, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/386422)
[17:04:04] <Lucas_WMDE>	 reminder: IRC office hour starts in 1 hour, on #wikimedia-office :)
[17:09:32] <sjoerddebruin>	 Sudden office hour...
[17:10:02] <multichill>	 Is it WIkidata office hour or something else?
[17:10:13] <sjoerddebruin>	 Wikidata it seems, only announced yesterday.
[17:11:32] <Lucas_WMDE>	 it’s been in my calendar for ages… did we not publicly announce it properly?
[17:12:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, it was in the summary of 25 september.
[17:12:17] <sjoerddebruin>	 Mostly there is a separate e-mail.
[17:12:28] <Lucas_WMDE>	 oh, okay
[17:12:44] <Lucas_WMDE>	 is there any point in sending one now? for people who are online but not on IRC, perhaps?
[17:13:07] <sjoerddebruin>	 There is still time. :)
[17:13:25] <Lucas_WMDE>	 okay, I’ll do it :)
[17:14:18] <Envlh>	 there was a tweet, with the wrong time zone :D
[17:14:49] <sjoerddebruin>	 Oh boy.
[17:15:23] <Lucas_WMDE>	 oh noes
[17:16:16] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 marktraceur: I'll sort it out with thiemo. Thinking about it some more, it may be a bit too abstract. Maybe we want to hook into "find entity by some api request parameters", not into "find entity for sitelink". That would be closer to your original idea.
[17:18:36] <Lucas_WMDE>	 okay, let’s hope the email goes through the ML soon
[17:19:11] <sjoerddebruin>	 It is here.
[17:19:14] <marktraceur>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Well, I guess the good news is we may already have a patch for it then...
[17:19:57] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 marktraceur: possibly :) can you give me the link? I'll see if that's what I had in mind...
[17:20:34] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 marktraceur: i'd like to avoid using MW style hooks, or at least only use them in bootstrap/wiring code, if possible
[17:21:18] <marktraceur>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Ah, I misunderstood then. I may have been out of MW PHP development for too long...
[17:21:47] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Reminds me. What authority control db's were you talking about that should be synced again?
[17:21:48] <marktraceur>	 DanielK_WMDE_: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/386693 and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/386692 were my original attempt
[17:22:09] <marktraceur>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Unless you meant the new API module I tried to write, which was significantly worse IMO
[17:22:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: I would love to have a VIAF <-> NTA update, but maybe we can ask Magnus as he performs checks as "was removed from item before" etc.
[17:22:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 I see various identifiers growing with 1k per day by Reinheitsgebot.
[17:22:57] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 marktraceur: DI is generally preferred over wgHooks - in core, that transition is far away. in wikibase, we use DI for nearly everything, and only use wgHooks as an option of last resort.
[17:24:06] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Let's do that, I wouldn't like to add stuff that someone just removed
[17:25:02] <reosarevok>	 multichill: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/MuIS_ID does this seem reasonable to you? (asking since it's connected to the museum thing)
[17:25:17] <reosarevok>	 (it's already marked as ready but not seen by that many people so just in case)
[17:26:07] <marktraceur>	 DanielK_WMDE_: I'm still fumbling a bit with the version of DI you guys are using, I guess it has more to do with the services stuff
[17:28:34] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: asked Magnus in a perfectly 280 characters tweet.
[17:28:38] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 marktraceur: for app logic, DI in wikibase works exactly like MediaWikiServices. But the wiring is hardcoded, there is no way to dynamically re-define services.
[17:29:25] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 marktraceur: DI itself, ignoring any frameworks or factories, is really just the consequence of "don't use global state, ever": everything you want to use has to be injected into the constructor.
[17:30:23] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 marktraceur: I added a comment to https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/386693/1 to explains what I think could eb done instead of my original proposal.
[17:33:53] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: seems like there is some cleaning to do though https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P1006
[17:45:14] <multichill>	 reosarevok: Looks good. I'll create it later, first have some food
[17:45:23] <reosarevok>	 ooh. Thanks :) 
[17:46:07] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: I see a lot of these doubles where one of the links is broken so someone has been cleaning up indeed ;-)
[17:46:47] <multichill>	 Bot could probably do it quite easy based on pages like http://opc4.kb.nl/PPN?PPN=339698268
[17:46:54] <multichill>	 (does it throw a 404?)
[17:51:20] <sjoerddebruin>	 200 :(
[17:52:13] <multichill>	 Just grepping for "TITEL NIET IN DATABASE AANWEZIG ???" works 
[17:52:28] <sjoerddebruin>	 :D
[17:53:11] <multichill>	 reosarevok: Do you also have specific Estonian authority control for artists? :-)
[17:54:19] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: That's an easy bot job. Loop over the sparql query that produces https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P1006#.22Single_value.22_violations . For each link, check for the string and if you find it either delete or deprecate it
[17:54:46] <reosarevok>	 reosarevok: IIRC, no, and that was actually one of the things we were hope to improve via WD
[17:54:50] <reosarevok>	 .... lol
[17:54:56] * reosarevok is clearly too sleepy
[17:54:59] <reosarevok>	 multichill: ^
[17:55:33] <reosarevok>	 For example, to have a quick overview via a SPARQL query of all the artists in the collection who have been dead for long enough, in order to know what we can put in Commons
[17:56:38] <reosarevok>	 Seems that this muis museum system does not have artist pages - neither does the library system, for writers / musicians :'(
[17:56:39] <multichill>	 That's nice indeed
[17:57:15] <multichill>	 That's a shame. Have I shared https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Creator_no_authority_control with you before reosarevok?
[17:57:28] <reosarevok>	 I don't think you have
[17:58:08] <multichill>	 When we start adding works from new countries, gaps start to appear here :-)
[17:58:44] <reosarevok>	 We do have an "Eesti kunsti ja arhitektuuri biograafiline leksikon" (Estonian art and architecture's biographic lexicon) which should be a pretty legitimate source of things like birth and death dates, but not sure we have a decent external ID
[17:59:00] <reosarevok>	 (that's an actual paper book)
[17:59:14] <reosarevok>	 I can ask the museum people though, maybe I'm missing stuff, I'm fairly new to all art not related to music :p
[17:59:18] <multichill>	 Sounds promising. We actually have quite a few paper books turned into a website with id's
[17:59:47] <Lydia_WMDE>	 office hour in #wikimedia-office now :)
[17:59:51] <reosarevok>	 IIRC we have permission to basically mirror these books into etwiki
[17:59:55] <reosarevok>	 But that doesn't help :p
[18:00:01] <reosarevok>	 (with this specific issue)
[18:00:55] <reosarevok>	 Hmmm!
[18:01:01] <reosarevok>	 multichill: https://digikogu.ekm.ee/authors/author_id-1057
[18:01:10] <reosarevok>	 The Estonian Art Museum does have it !
[18:01:21] <reosarevok>	 Of course, that probably won't be good for all the artists we want, but definitely better than nothing
[18:01:58] <reosarevok>	 For Estonian people it has some more info, https://digikogu.ekm.ee/authors/author_id-431
[18:02:43] <reosarevok>	 I guess this means I should request one more property? :p
[18:03:16] <reosarevok>	 It's possible that some of these are in VIAF too, but I think only the Estonian National Library feeds into VIAF, not the art stuff
[18:04:17] <Guest96379>	 Hi there. I just notice the half of the [[Template:Infobox polyhedron]] parameter doesnt exit yet as a Wikidata property. Does it sound reasonable to propose that ones? 
[18:04:17] <AsimovBot>	 10[3] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_polyhedron
[18:04:50] <reosarevok>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_polyhedron probably :p
[18:05:28] <Guest96379>	 Hi there, I am User:Sturm! :)
[18:06:00] <DanielK_WMDE_>	 marktraceur: I talked to Thiemo. He prefers my patch as proposed over my new idea. He'll take over the patch, I will provide review. I hope to get this done this week. Please ping me if this gets stuck.
[18:28:05] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: For the NTA fixing, can you file a request on the bot's board? Should be an easy starting tast for someone wanting to get involved with bots
[18:42:57] <marktraceur>	 DanielK_WMDE_: Sounds good!
[18:45:01] <reosarevok>	 multichill: thanks :) (saw it's added now)
[18:52:23] <multichill>	 reosarevok: Yup, at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P4525 . Can you add the Estonian part and maybe more?
[18:54:27] <multichill>	 reosarevok: Oh, and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18593264 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12370563 . Is that about the same concept?
[18:54:58] <reosarevok>	 Hmmmm
[18:55:02] <reosarevok>	 I... think so? 
[18:56:59] <reosarevok>	 The etwiki page claims, in a rough translation: A "museaal" is an item with cultural value inventarised in a museum. A collection of "museaals" is named a museum collection.
[18:57:10] <reosarevok>	 So, it seems like we could even merge the two items
[18:57:25] <reosarevok>	 I could ask my museum contacts first though :)
[18:57:42] <multichill>	 The existing one is a bit of a made up item
[18:57:43] <sjoerddebruin>	 I would say it is the same.
[18:58:16] <multichill>	 spinster: Do you know if AAT has a high level concept like this ^^
[18:58:52] <spinster>	 Let me take a look
[18:59:43] <multichill>	 Basically a high level concept for every object that is in a museum collection
[19:00:25] <spinster>	 No, it doesn't
[19:00:56] <spinster>	 "museaal" seems to be a subclass of "items of collections or exhibitions" imo
[19:01:12] <sjoerddebruin>	 MoMA kinda fucks things up by including fonts and computer games. ;)
[19:01:54] <reosarevok>	 Yeah, I guess it's not exactly the same maybe in that this is specifically about museums but maybe a "collection" for Q18593264 can be a very unspecified thing?
[19:02:59] <spinster>	 indeed, that's what I would think as well
[19:10:36] <multichill>	 Lydia_WMDE: So in the office hour you repeated things which are all or at least most of it in the news letter. I read that news letter most of the time so for me this turned out a bit boring.
[19:10:52] <multichill>	 I wonder if this duplication is intentional and how other people feel about this
[19:11:48] <Lydia_WMDE>	 multichill: it is a re-hash to an extend but it helps put things into a longer-term perspective and helps people who don't read the weekly summary
[19:11:59] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but i am happy to change things around if you or someone else has ideas
[19:12:15] <multichill>	 Just thinking out loud here
[19:12:20] <Lydia_WMDE>	 *nod*
[19:12:23] <Lydia_WMDE>	 all ears :D
[19:12:42] <Lydia_WMDE>	 and yeah if you are always close to the news then there probably isn't much news for you in there :/
[19:13:07] <Lydia_WMDE>	 but then again we try to have all the important things in the weekly summaries so that is to be expected
[19:13:26] <Lydia_WMDE>	 also if people want we can spend more time on specific discussion topics
[19:13:37] <reosarevok>	 multichill: fixed the Estonian stuff I could see on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Missing_inventory_number (one wasn't in Estonia at all!)
[19:13:39] <Lydia_WMDE>	 we've done that sometimes in the past when people brought specific topics
[19:13:57] <reosarevok>	 (but in Este, Italy :p )
[19:14:08] <Lydia_WMDE>	 like "what do people think about X" or "how do we solve Y"
[19:21:59] <sjoerddebruin>	 multichill: why don't we have identifiers for beer yet?
[19:22:07] <multichill>	 The whole office hour was a bit last minute catch up anyway. Happy to be fully up to speed
[19:23:29] <reosarevok>	 multichill: did you see the link I sent earlier? https://digikogu.ekm.ee/authors/author_id-2 
[19:23:36] <multichill>	 reosarevok: Nice! Plenty of fixing to be done. I was just browsing through http://opendata.muis.ee/ 
[19:23:38] <reosarevok>	 (so we do have *some* sort of authcontrol in EE)
[19:23:59] <multichill>	 Looks like they do have author information
[19:24:26] <reosarevok>	 they do have author information, they just don't have an actual page for the author we could link to - unless I missed it
[19:26:36] <multichill>	 reosarevok: So https://www.muis.ee/rdf/object/262747 is the object in RDF
[19:26:55] * reosarevok checks
[19:27:31] <reosarevok>	 By the way, the image rights are known to be generally BS
[19:27:43] <multichill>	 And they have the author as a string, not as a link to another object
[19:28:02] <multichill>	 I don't understand the language anyway, so I'll just ignore that part ;-)
[19:29:38] <multichill>	 I added the RDF thing to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P4525
[19:30:10] <reosarevok>	 Seems you forgot the /rdf/ part?
[19:31:39] <multichill>	 That's to force it. Source says <crm:E18_Physical_Thing rdf:about="http://opendata.muis.ee/object/262747">
[19:31:47] <reosarevok>	 Oh
[19:31:49] <reosarevok>	 Ok :)
[19:32:15] <multichill>	 Bit like we have http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q12370563 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:EntityData/Q12370563.rdf
[19:32:59] <reosarevok>	 Seems person-group is RDF-only
[19:33:17] <reosarevok>	 Which is annoying. But they do have *some* identifier for the museums themselves, then, it seems
[19:34:18] <reosarevok>	 But yeah, can't find anything for the artists
[19:34:54] <reosarevok>	 Do you think it makes sense to start another property request for the Estonian Art Museum artist ID?
[19:35:22] <reosarevok>	 (seems that they also have IDs for the works, https://digikogu.ekm.ee/no_category/oid-10326 - but that one is actually kinda "superseded" by MuIS, although I guess having both would make sense
[19:35:23] <reosarevok>	 )
[19:36:24] <multichill>	 It seems to be linked so you can sync it easily
[19:37:21] <multichill>	 reosarevok: I wonder what the plans are for person like https://www.muis.ee/rdf/person-group/42620 . That would be interesting to link to if they're going to invest time in it
[19:38:19] <reosarevok>	 AFAICT most people in museums here kinda hate the MuIS platform, so I get the feeling they're not very responsive to stuff like this, but honestly, no clue
[19:39:32] <multichill>	 Is it some kind of forced top down thing from the national (nationalistic?) goverment? 
[19:39:49] <multichill>	 That's usually a good approach to piss off the local heritage professionals
[19:41:32] <multichill>	 reosarevok: So every work in a museum in Estonia should have an id in that database?
[19:42:00] <reosarevok>	 I think yes (to both questions)
[19:42:06] <reosarevok>	 Whether they *do* have it, I dunno
[19:42:26] <multichill>	 I'll set up a complex constraint for that. Let's see what it catches
[19:43:57] <reosarevok>	 I've added the missing ones from https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Europeana_Art_History_Challenge/Estonia - except for Q21257263 which is, as we discussed the other day, kinda messy
[19:44:12] <reosarevok>	 (the current inventory number is for only one of the copies, we have entries for several others on the talk page)
[19:44:26] <multichill>	 Can you check http://tinyurl.com/ybn4totf ?
[19:45:08] <reosarevok>	 Sure
[19:45:43] <reosarevok>	 (there's a ton of stuff in Commons using MuIS links, too, but I'm not sure how that stuff works, they don't seem to have WD items)
[19:46:02] <multichill>	 Quite a few artworks already link to Wikidata
[19:46:38] <multichill>	 More than 100.000 images in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Artworks_with_Wikidata_item with a link to Wikidata
[19:47:30] <multichill>	 If you intersect that with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_with_link_to_Muis.ee , you'll know where to add it
[19:48:34] <multichill>	 Only 5 according to https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=1475214 reosarevok
[19:49:10] <reosarevok>	 I think all of those are there
[19:49:36] <reosarevok>	 But as you can see there's a ton more. Some are photos (most, probably)
[19:49:39] <reosarevok>	 But some are paintings
[19:50:21] <multichill>	 Starting from Commons is a PITA. Just start with the clean(er) data from the database
[19:50:37] <reosarevok>	 heh
[19:50:38] <reosarevok>	 ok
[19:50:55] <reosarevok>	 We'll do most of this starting January, just trying to get an idea of how to start for now and some examples :)
[19:51:03] <multichill>	 At some point the paintings will start popping up at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Image_suggestions if they have some form of decent metadata on Commons
[19:51:28] <reosarevok>	 Ok :) they mostly have {{Creator}} at least, and I think museum to
[19:51:29] <AsimovBot>	 10[4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Creator
[19:51:29] <reosarevok>	 *too
[19:52:08] <reosarevok>	 Can't find https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q27826773 - I guess the National Archives might not be there (or not yet?)
[19:52:26] <reosarevok>	 (that's just some official paperwork though so eh)
[19:52:48] <multichill>	 Make sure the paintings use the artwork template instead of information and have the creator and/or institution templae
[19:54:58] <reosarevok>	 Heh
[19:55:22] <multichill>	 reosarevok: And https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Paintings_in_Estonia seems to be very very incomplete
[19:55:24] <reosarevok>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21294968 has two entries, but it's again some printing (https://www.muis.ee/museaalview/251670 - weird poetry stuff) so not surprising 
[19:56:00] <reosarevok>	 I'd expect that category can be populated based on WD later on? I mean, if we know a painting is in Estonia and has a Commons image... :)
[19:57:09] <multichill>	 I wouldn't invest a lot in categories right now
[20:06:33] <reosarevok>	 Sure
[20:06:45] <reosarevok>	 If all the data is there categories are trivial to bot-add
[20:06:48] <reosarevok>	 I'd hope
[20:07:25] <reosarevok>	 Ok so your query is a bit shorter now :)
[20:09:34] <reosarevok>	 The flag I tried and failed to find a few days ago already, two have multiple IDs and need more work separating them into parts probably, and some are old legal texts I can't find
[20:21:46] <multichill>	 So not really worth setting up a constraint right now, right?
[20:22:16] <reosarevok>	 Maybe not. Maybe for stuff in *art* museums?
[20:22:30] <reosarevok>	 After all, the ones there that don't have an ID do need extra work
[20:22:43] <reosarevok>	 (but are in the DB)
[20:36:33] <multichill>	 sjoerddebruin: Weren't you working on the Dutch mayors?
[20:36:39] <sjoerddebruin>	 I was.
[20:42:16] <multichill>	 So Den Bosch, no mayor object yet?
[20:55:45] <sjoerddebruin>	 Nope. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sjoerddebruin/Dutch_politics/Mayors
[20:56:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 Still working on fixing combinations of villages and municipalities, then I want to look at bot tasks.
[20:58:27] <reosarevok>	 Is everyone in WD Dutch? :D
[21:00:18] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yes, of course. :)
[21:00:50] <multichill>	 Also fun with merged municipalities
[21:01:06] <multichill>	 Probably best to take now and work back in time?
[21:07:02] <reosarevok>	 Hmm
[21:07:15] <reosarevok>	 sjoerddebruin: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6627739 vs https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q15731141 - should instance be position?
[21:07:46] <sjoerddebruin>	 I wasn't aware of "public office" when I created those items
[21:08:17] <reosarevok>	 So public office is ok then? :) Nice
[21:09:33] <reosarevok>	 And there should be a separate "mayor" item for each country?
[21:09:54] * reosarevok was actually asked about having some sort of "add Estonian politicians to WD" event 
[21:10:27] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm, I'm not sure anymore actually.
[21:10:42] <sjoerddebruin>	 But it is nice to combine with the lists and categories.
[21:21:22] * reosarevok creates one for himself for Estonian mayors (standard mayor class plus Estonia)
[21:21:33] <reosarevok>	 ... so much missing data, so little time
[21:24:27] <SothoTalKer>	 and you only got one life
[21:42:16] <reosarevok>	 Heh
[21:42:32] <reosarevok>	 "head of Tartu County". Instance of human, sex or gender male
[21:42:40] <reosarevok>	 a) sexist much? b) sigh
[21:42:42] * reosarevok fixes
[21:44:19] <SothoTalKer>	 b) sign :)
[21:48:41] <reosarevok>	 sjoerddebruin: what do I do with something like this? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q24545692
[21:48:58] <reosarevok>	 I'm assuming I shouldn't hijack it for the position itself?
[21:49:10] <sjoerddebruin>	 Hm?
[21:49:25] <reosarevok>	 Well, it's "Mayor of (Estonian city)"
[21:49:35] <reosarevok>	 But it claims to be "a list of"
[21:49:58] <reosarevok>	 At the same time, the etwiki article is just for the concept of mayor, despite most of it being indeed a list of past ones
[21:50:08] <reosarevok>	 (of mayor of Viljandi, that is)
[21:50:39] <reosarevok>	 Should I just remove the "instance of list article" and add "public office", or add a second, public office entry?
[21:51:06] <reosarevok>	 (sorry if you're not the best person to ask this from, but :) )
[21:51:22] <reosarevok>	 (by the status of Estonian politics stuff, I can tell we have no local expert at least :D )
[21:51:48] <sjoerddebruin>	 I would keep lists.
[21:53:07] <reosarevok>	 The main thing is that the article is not specifically "List of mayors of Viljandi" (and it specifically starts with "The mayor of Viljandi runs the Viljandi city council")
[21:53:39] <sjoerddebruin>	 Ah!
[21:53:41] <reosarevok>	 So I'm not sure this is really the right classification for it... but I'm not sure what the convention is :) After all, that's literally all the article explains about the position before jumping into a historical list
[21:53:51] <sjoerddebruin>	 Yeah, then they shouldn't be classified as lists.
[21:55:14] <reosarevok>	 Ok :)
[21:55:23] <reosarevok>	 Oh sigh
[21:55:46] <reosarevok>	 Is there a way to clear all those dozens of descriptions in each language?
[21:58:08] * reosarevok assumes there has to be some sort of bot or tool :)
[22:05:50] <Helmoony>	 Hi, is there a tool for the same thing but for Labels and Also known as ? https://tools.wmflabs.org/dexbot/tools/changed_descriptions.php?lang=ar
[22:08:05] <Helmoony>	 hello4
[22:22:52] <SMalyshev>	 does wmf.8 deployment branch still has wmf.7 for wikidata?
[22:26:31] <SMalyshev>	 addshore, aude ^ ?
[22:27:40] <reosarevok>	 sjoerddebruin: any idea about emptying all descriptions? (all mentioning the mayors are a "Wikimedia list" 
[22:27:42] <reosarevok>	 )
[22:28:15] <sjoerddebruin>	 There is a script, but I also think there is a bot running.]
[22:28:26] <reosarevok>	 Also, sigh at the inconsistency in "position held" for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q439102 - wonder which one is preferable
[22:32:14] <Helmoony>	 Hi, is there a tool for the same thing as for Descriptions but for Labels and Also known as ? https://tools.wmflabs.org/dexbot/tools/changed_descriptions.php?lang=ar
[23:12:51] <addshore>	 SMalyshev: I'm not sure! Can't check now, can check tommorrow
[23:13:23] <SMalyshev>	 addshore: ok, thanks! looks like Wikidata is still on old version even in wmf.8, this is strange
[23:13:59] <addshore>	 Hmm, maybe no branch was cut of the Wikidata build?
[23:14:31] <SMalyshev>	 I see the branch on wikibase repo, but not sure about the build... there were many changes recently
[23:14:47] <SMalyshev>	 maybe something changed? maybe build was not run? I don't know...
[23:14:47] <addshore>	 SMalyshev: https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Wikidata/branches
[23:15:01] <addshore>	 No .8 branch for the build, so I guess it is still on .7
[23:15:03] <SMalyshev>	 yeah looks like no new branch
[23:15:16] <addshore>	 Could you file a ticket and cc Aude and I?
[23:15:26] <SMalyshev>	 ok will do
[23:18:30] <addshore>	 I was expecting a branch to be cut from the build :( sad times
[23:20:00] <SMalyshev>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180539