[00:36:20] If your Wikidata Query Service query is just slightly too slow to run without timing out, is there any way to extend the time-out or run it from another service that won't time-out? [11:50:51] andrewbogott: emailing is probably best. he usually replied relatively quickly [11:59:15] Hello! I'm reading the wikibase API docs. In `wbeditentity` I see that I can 'add' a label. Does it replace existing claims of that property? [11:59:52] Ehm, sorry. I mean: I see that I can add a label, and it can only 'add' it, without overwrite. It's the same with new claims? [12:00:45] valerio-bozzolan: it can definitely overwrite labels, i think - what else could it possibly do if there is already a label for that language? [12:00:58] https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wbeditentity [12:01:11] I mean that for labels you can specify 'add' or 'remove', to add or overwrite [12:01:26] But I don't understand if the same features are avaiable for claims [12:02:19] oh right [12:02:31] for claims you need to provide the claim id, if you want to modify that claim [12:03:21] wikibase will not match your new claims to the existing ones, it will just create fresh ones if you don't provide a claim id [12:03:51] that's usually done by the client (quickstatements, pywikibot, wikidata-toolkit, and so on) [13:00:45] valerio-bozzolan: What's your goal? Or are you just playing around with the api? [13:01:55] If you actually want to do some edits, you're probably better of using one of the libraries [13:02:09] ... sigh. Found out 200 items in I was accidentally adding "music school" instead of "school" P31s. [13:02:18] * reosarevok fixed it, but really needs to be less dumb [13:02:44] Mistakes happen [13:06:23] I know, but it's still silly. I kinda wish PetScan would do like QS, which shows you what you'll actually add using labels rather than just Qs [13:07:10] Oh multichill: do you have any idea how to fix enlabels like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42097586 in an efficient way? [13:07:24] There are tons because of stoopid Commons category import names or something [13:13:56] hi [13:17:42] pintoch: OK I understand [13:25:20] can anyone here help me with notability [13:26:26] Dysklyver: maybe, if we know the actual question :) [13:26:35] ok brillant [13:26:45] I have a url of a news item [13:27:02] is the news item notable? [13:27:21] like: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q45378149 [13:28:36] it has no wikipedia article, and will never have one, it is unlikely anyone will write about it, and my only use circumstance is to use it as a reference on wikipedia [13:30:08] reosarevok ^ [13:30:14] what do you think? [13:31:48] I would expect that to have a label of "Plant pests: The biggest threats to food security?", no "citation" alias (you don't want people to find this when looking for the term "citation") and a description like "news item" rather than "reference" [13:32:07] But I don't have enough knowledge about the relevance/notability. maybe multichill does? [13:33:27] I have almost zero experience with formatting wikidata, I just want to be able to call it from a template similar to Cite Q, and I want to know if these items are acceptable before building something that relies on them [13:33:52] It seems like an interesting question, hopefully someone can give a definite answer [13:34:25] ok no worries [13:36:22] Dysklyver: «works-in-progress should rarely be used in the article space until they are 99% finished/accurate/etc.» [13:36:30] You know? :) [13:36:31] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_Q [13:36:50] I am not using that actual template ^ [13:37:28] i am making a bot that creates a dual citation, where it is on wikidata -and- on wikipedia [13:38:25] linked of course, possibly for some later further integration [13:39:52] but mainly as a way of stopping link rot by archiving all citations on wikidata so they have archive links and full machine readable info [13:40:59] reosarevok: A bot could just do search replace on the category: part if it's not instance of category and has a link to a normal Wikipedia article? [13:42:06] hi multichill [13:42:09] Dysklyver: In current state I would say no. Why would you want to have a item for it anyway? Looks like the fields I would use in a reference [13:42:39] Yeah, I was thinking about something like that - or just a QS thing where a query strips "Category:" from them and re-submits them [13:42:50] I'll look into it when I'm done with some of this etwiki thing [13:42:56] i want the refernce to be on wikidata, but currently this is only enabled for books, can it be extended to news articles? [13:43:08] I was playing around with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Artworks_with_Wikidata_item_without_creator and the likes [13:43:16] Wonder how much new stuff to import that gives [13:45:12] the idea is that a ref can be made as: {{Citedata|Q45378149|t=n}}, but it would be some time before this is actually used in articles, if at all [13:45:13] 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Citedata [13:46:17] Not the best idea. The article on which you would want to use it would be connected to an item. That item has a statement that is sourced. You can just re-use that reference instead of creating a lonely item for that [13:47:10] is there a guide on that? [13:47:37] and does that support all the info I have included, but particularly the IArchive link? [13:47:58] All the stuff you put in that item can be in a reference [13:48:21] that could be better then [13:48:31] I doubt there is any guide on this [13:48:53] Most people tend to build things and not document it ;-) [13:48:56] makes sense or i would have some idea of this already [13:50:26] so I gather that by advanced syntax I can include all the references in a wikipedia article in its wikidata item, and then call these for display on the article? [14:02:04] From Wikipedia you can access all data in Wikidata, not the other way around [14:02:47] yes just trying to figure it out now [14:03:08] but for a rough idea of what i am looking for: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arthur_Kerensa/Wikicite/Example_article [14:03:35] the code i used for that mockup is rather dubious [14:08:03] That's a hard one, because https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q156954 contains no statement about it being a beetle [14:08:18] You have to travel up the taxon tree to find that [14:09:03] hmm good point [14:11:47] I am more concerned with the way I should input the data, and where I should input the data, I suspect there will be many issues specific to verifying all the information in an article and recording all that data on wikidata, but we can't easily fix without considering further links or statements [14:19:35] Lydia_WMDE: could you pm me contact info for Mukil? I'm not having any luck with the address that I have. Thanks! [14:21:14] Should this be relabeled to use singular, I wonder? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q236036 [14:22:40] apprantly there were 15 of them [14:22:46] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union [14:23:39] not to be confused with the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" (USSR) or "soviet union" as it was known [14:24:16] Sure, it's just it seems weird to claim https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q130280 is an "instance of Republics of the Soviet Union" [14:25:07] yeah that seems grammatically off, how are US states handled? [14:25:53] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35657 [14:25:54] Good point. In singular (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q35657) - I'll change the Soviet one [14:26:08] good idea [14:44:38] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1949 bytes in 0.127 second response time [14:49:48] is this connected to QS being stuck in "Checking user info..." ? ^ [15:04:38] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1922 bytes in 0.092 second response time [15:41:17] I have a question [15:41:35] is there a property like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1343 but for new articles/webpages [16:44:10] There's https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P854 but not sure if that's supposed to be used only in a statement's reference. Probably. [16:45:53] i also have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P973 [16:46:02] but that has limited scope [16:47:30] I am beginning to think it would be easier to make a statement that contains the refence, as these refernces are used on wikipedia, and are not supporting any wikidata statements [16:47:47] however there are limited property options [16:55:06] I suppose I could ask for a new property, something like "Wikipedia reference" [17:27:32] Wow, it seems pretty much every street in the Czech Republic started with "Category:" [17:27:44] Well hope the Czechs don't mind me changing that :D [21:42:34] How books should be treated on Wikidata. I mean, there are some books that has been translated to other languages. Should I create a new Wikidata Item for a different translation? [21:45:36] I think so weka [21:45:42] Their ISBN differs right? [21:46:20] Yes, because they are different publishers and countries [21:47:55] So yes seperate items [21:48:13] if you do P31 > edition all suggestions will help you :) [21:48:58] And check out https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books#Edition_item_properties [21:49:41] So I can create the translation of a book as an instance (P31) of the original book? [21:50:00] you can link edition and book with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P629 [21:50:24] Thanks Dysklyver [21:50:58] Ok, thanks sjoerddebruin [21:51:15] i think it would be a P31 of edition, and a P629 of the orginal work [21:51:27] but do check that [23:31:35] multichill (or anyone else): is there a way to give a reference to a label? [23:32:00] * reosarevok would like to specify that a label is the actual translation given by Inter-Active Terminology for Europe [23:36:21] reosarevok You mean to reference a label as the same way you can reference an element (eg Q1)? [23:36:41] weka: I mean to add a reference to a label: "this is the right label according to this source" [23:38:11] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q28122896 used to be "Parish" but the Estonian term list (http://termin.eki.ee/esterm/concept.php?id=1546&term=vald) and IATE say it should be "rural municipality" (of Estonia) - I'd like to show why I'm changing it in the same way I could reference a statement [23:47:15] reosarevok I dont know if this is possible in Wikidata. Sorry :( [23:47:23] No probs :)