[05:42:06] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1972 bytes in 0.093 second response time [06:12:36] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1948 bytes in 0.066 second response time [06:29:54] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1972 bytes in 0.068 second response time [07:50:26] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1956 bytes in 0.092 second response time [08:07:47] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1967 bytes in 0.082 second response time [08:12:47] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1948 bytes in 0.078 second response time [08:17:01] leszek_wmde: seems Legoktm has fixed the composer/autoloading issue WikibaseLexeme encountered ( https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195823 ) [08:17:19] hashar: yes! He's the man! [08:17:48] hashar: we need to do some minor fixups, but other than that Jenkins should be green again soon [08:18:12] hashar: thanks for helping yesterday! I will close the ticket as soon we're green (an hour or so) [08:18:12] though now PropertySuggester is failling for me (dummy change https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/376692/ Autoloader test failling: https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/mwext-testextension-hhvm-composer-jessie/14122/console ) [08:18:36] hashar: yup, that's the bit we need to adjust in some wikibase extensions [08:18:48] renaming classes etc [08:20:01] is that because the filename does not match the class name? [08:20:29] hashar: yes. this. or sometimes namespace and the directory don't match [09:34:41] leszek_wmde: unrelated to PSR4, any reason you are using vue.js when mediawiki is using oojs oojsui? I wondering whether other frontend developers are aware of vue.js being added :] [09:43:16] hashar: decision to use vue.js was not really like "we don't want to use oojs". Wikibase has its own jquery ui-based frontend 'framework" [09:43:28] hashar: which is difficult to extend, so call it nicely [09:43:42] so we've decided to go with some modern framework [09:44:11] whether, or maybe rather, how to adopt oojs with it, is another question, and we still need to tackle it [09:44:51] re whether any other frontend devs at wmf etc are aware of what we're doing: we've been in touch with many of them since last year, yes! [09:47:38] leszek_wmde: ahh good. At least folks are in touch :] I just dont want to have other developers groups to suddenly jump and start saying that vue.js is not the mediawiki way :]]] [09:48:43] I will read the frontend meeting that mentions vue/wmde experiment ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Front-end_standards_group/2017-06-28 ) [09:48:47] leszek_wmde: Danke! [14:12:42] !ops [14:12:50] Hmm? [14:12:58] hi hi [14:12:59] O_o [14:13:27] ... [14:13:28] Is it about Alex still being opped? [14:13:37] I just wanted to ask channel ops to add `Use !admin to get the attention of an admin (block, delete, protect)` [14:13:38] no [14:13:44] () is the addition [14:14:08] all the people use (!)admin for their business irrelevant to admin business [14:14:25] thanks :D [14:14:29] less pings, hopefully [14:14:42] :| [14:26:57] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1968 bytes in 0.072 second response time [14:30:46] Technical Advice IRC meeting starting in 30 minutes in channel #wikimedia-tech, hosts: @chiborg & @leszek_wmde - all questions welcome, more infos: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Advice_IRC_Meeting [14:36:58] RECOVERY - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1966 bytes in 0.075 second response time [16:06:30] Sad to see that some editors don't understand the abilities of Wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q671985&action=history [16:13:52] :( [16:14:29] there were no references for the statements anyway [16:20:27] and it doesn't really surprise me when the ui doesn't make any distinction between ranks [16:20:31] Help me [16:20:46] !admin I need help [16:20:46] Attention requested HakanIST sjoerddebruin revi [16:20:59] what help do you need [16:21:05] (I'm not counting a small triangle being grey instead of a small oval, it's hard to see and even harder to know what it means) [16:21:16] Where is the page Q6 [16:21:21] not an admin help [16:21:27] Q5 is human [16:21:55] admin help is for "(block, delete, protect)", or task only performed by [[WD:A]] [16:21:56] 10[1] 1010https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators - Redirección desde 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:A?redirect=no [16:22:18] But then how can I get help [16:22:22] just ask [16:22:24] which you did [16:22:25] Finding page Q6 [16:22:33] so someone who knows will give you an answer. [16:22:53] Thank you. Who do inask [16:22:56] I ask [16:23:39] Wikidata: change the URL in your browser. or type Q6 into the search box [16:23:59] It leads me to 404 pahe [16:24:02] Page [16:24:27] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6 [16:24:32] so, Q6 does not exist [16:24:34] that happens [16:25:00] some IDs get "burned" [16:25:25] What was it [16:25:37] it never existed [16:25:42] Nothing was created under the name of Q6 [16:25:43] Oh [16:25:47] i don't mean it got deleted [16:26:00] It's like it never existed at the first time [16:26:06] when an ID gets burned, it is never possible to create an item with that ID. the reasons are technical. [16:26:23] basically, the ID is reserved for a new item, but something goes wrong during creation. then that ID is lost. burned. [16:26:41] Oh [16:27:02] it's a not-so-nice side effect of how we manage the ID conter internally. [16:27:07] *counter [16:27:33] Is there a page for every burned ID if so post it's link [16:27:43] no, there is not [16:27:51] BTW question from loooooong ago era: we used to delete items under the name of "merged", did we undelete them? [16:27:53] what would that be useful for? [16:28:09] revi: addshore fixed a bunch of them, but couldn't do them all [16:28:20] good to hear (at least some of them were undeleted) [16:28:21] revi: afaik many were undeleted by bot. probably not all. [16:28:31] I want to know every burned id [16:28:49] why? [16:28:50] you need to find them manually [16:29:07] Oh [16:29:19] there's no automated way to find it, nobody is interested in finding some skipped number in 50 million numbers [16:29:20] (joking) [16:29:26] that's like wanting to know every phone number that was never assigned. [16:29:29] (except you, I guess) [16:29:40] Did SkyBahamas used to be Q7 [16:29:58] I'm not aware of any tool doing that. I guess you can write a script that checks all the 48 million items [16:30:11] Wikidata: it still is Q7 [16:30:21] orr, no, sorry [16:30:29] it has the *alias* Q7. not the ID. [16:30:42] Oh [16:30:42] "IATA airline designator": "Q7" [16:30:48] Q7 seems to ne another of the burned IDs [16:30:48] Wikidata: Q7 is "IATA airline code" of them [16:31:09] Q7 was also bruned [16:31:20] Q8 happily exists [16:31:22] Oh [16:31:41] Is there any specific order of the IDs [16:31:42] I see what you did there, DanielK_WMDE :P [16:31:52] Wikidata: order of creation. it's just a counter [16:31:56] the ids mean nothing [16:32:01] Like most important to least important [16:32:08] Last item's Q no +1 = new item's QID [16:32:15] Hahaha [16:32:26] Oh [16:32:28] Wikidata: well, "obvious" things tend to get created first. so in a way, you could assume that lower numbers are "more important". [16:32:29] Wikidata: you may be interested by this page https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Humour [16:32:46] but it's really just a counter. [16:33:24] Wikidata: in the early days, people wrote boths that would import e.g. all countries from wikipedia. so all countries have pretty low IDs. [16:33:42] russia is Q159 [16:34:00] Omg Q404 [16:35:13] I love Q12345 [16:35:32] Haha [16:35:38] Count [16:36:49] Thank you [16:38:17] Canada is the lowest ID [16:39:29] Guys [16:39:49] * DanielK_WMDE just decided that it's ok to reveal the meaning of Q23 after 5 years, and is disappointed that nobody got it for that long. [16:40:24] What is it [16:40:54] George Washington [16:41:18] yea, but why ;) [16:41:27] Oh I just read it [16:41:41] i just put that there [16:41:45] https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%3AHumour&type=revision&diff=687462109&oldid=686276509 [16:42:17] I saw [16:42:29] Also I made a mistake in the englis h Wikipedia [16:43:11] Want to know [16:43:41] What i did [16:44:31] hah, L2 [16:45:25] I can't view the Ls [16:45:53] L8 is spelled "l8" in en-x-Q1337 [16:45:58] isn't that lovely? [16:46:19] Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L8 [16:46:23] Wikidata: you need the namespace prefix [16:46:36] How do you do it [16:47:05] Oh I figured it out [16:47:15] * reosarevok wonders if 1st is a form of first or a separate lexeme [16:47:26] I made a wikidata page [16:47:39] reosarevok: i'd argue that it's actually a spelling, not a form [16:47:50] Do we have a way to store those? [16:47:57] reosarevok: "1st" is a *form* of the numeral "1" [16:48:18] reosarevok: spellings? sure. click edit next to the lemma. [16:48:31] But it's not a spelling of the lemma, right? [16:48:38] It's a spelling of L2-F3 [16:48:43] same thing [16:48:49] click edit there [16:49:03] Uuuuh [16:49:04] Nice [16:49:27] reosarevok: we need that for "colors" vs "colours", etc [16:49:46] I just thought those would be different forms with the same grammatical properties [16:49:47] The mistake of Wikipedia J made [16:49:58] But I guess this works too [16:50:03] reosarevok: that would be annoying [16:50:06] The mistake of Wikipedia J made is a vandalized it [16:50:17] But I was trying to be humorous [16:50:26] reosarevok: i fought hard for this when we speced out the data model :) [16:50:37] DanielK_WMDE: Hmm, where would you set the limit? [16:50:37] Wikidata is way more humour [16:50:51] reosarevok: limit of what? [16:50:57] Different spelling, same form. Different derivations for the same grammatical properties? [16:51:08] Daniel, Reso [16:51:28] (Estonian has a short and long version of some inflected forms, IMO those are separate forms, but) [16:51:42] Please listen [16:52:14] reosarevok: i'd just be pragmatic. best practice will have to be established for each language. [16:52:24] I vandalized Wikipedia because I thought it would be humorous but it wasn't. This place is way more humorous [16:52:43] Hope that doesn't mean you want to vandalize it more, Wikidata ;p [16:52:49] DanielK_WMDE: sounds good to me [16:52:53] Definitely not [16:52:57] reosarevok: e.g. some words (mostly occupations) in german have a separate female form. but those could also be separate lexemes. i'm not sure which modeling is better. [16:53:07] But I got banned from Wikipedia [16:53:12] I wanted unbanned [16:53:26] give it a while [16:53:38] MEe [16:53:40] Me [16:54:01] * DanielK_WMDE goes back to work [16:54:19] Daniel [16:54:27] I want unbanned from Wikipedia [16:54:55] I'm not a Wikipedia admin. [16:55:01] I'm not even an admin on Wikidata. [16:55:06] Oh [16:55:08] Also [16:55:14] I want to be a holidays admin [16:55:18] This place is fun [16:55:21] Wikidata [16:56:02] start by fixing and improving things in a small way. make people know you for being helpful and doing useful things. [16:56:08] Ok [16:57:52] Look at the page I made [16:58:02] Dog bed [16:58:45] Daniel isn’t a Wikidata admin? Surprising. [16:59:25] Am I doing good so far [16:59:33] Art my dog bed page [16:59:36] At [17:02:29] This shouldn't be so hard [17:03:31] Can you help me with my page [17:05:37] !admin can you help me with my page [17:05:37] Attention requested HakanIST sjoerddebruin revi [17:05:51] what page, and what help? [17:05:55] DanielK_WMDE: but one and first have different parts of speech, how can they be the same lexeme? [17:06:49] Never mind [17:06:57] How do you add an image to wikidata [17:07:08] To use for your page [17:08:07] !admin how do I ad an image [17:08:07] Attention requested HakanIST sjoerddebruin revi [17:08:10] pls [17:08:12] To wok [17:08:16] Wikidata [17:08:23] you don't need to ask for admin about all the question you have [17:08:41] But I can't find anyone else [17:08:46] only use it when you need help with deleting the page, blocking someone, protecting a page [17:08:55] that is not an excuse for poking unrelated people. [17:09:27] The answer: use a property like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P18 [17:10:58] nikki: "one" and "first" are not the same English lexeme. I was thinking that perhaps "1" and "1st" are. But we run into a problem here: "1" is cross-lingual, "1st" is not. [17:12:15] Wikidata: try https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tours [17:13:23] well, you said "1st" is a *form* of the numeral "1" and that "1st" is a spelling of "first" [17:13:44] I missed some quotation marks there [17:15:34] I messed up [17:15:39] I plagiarized a name [17:15:41] nikki: yes... my thinking was that the numeral "1" is a lexeme. it's separate from English "first". [17:15:53] DanielK_WMDE: also, when you told reosarevok to edit the form, did you mean a second spelling should be added for it by clicking the "+"? it doesn't seem to allow that [17:16:09] nikki: I added it, so it seems to work? :p [17:16:23] you changed "first" to "1st", so now "first" isn't there [17:16:29] ... huh [17:16:31] I saw two at first [17:16:35] huh [17:16:46] But I guess if both have just language "en" it just replaces them [17:16:51] And it was a display "feature" [17:16:59] Sigh. To the phabricators I guess? [17:17:03] reosarevok: you replaced it. ah, this is a bug. [17:17:15] DanielK_WMDE: could you add the ticket? :) [17:17:17] the spellings need to have different codes. you should get an error if you repeat a code [17:17:19] (if not I guess I can) [17:17:20] this is known. sorry. [17:17:32] But what happens if both spellings do *not* have different codes? [17:17:37] I mean, both first and 1st are standard en [17:17:43] you can add "1st" as a form with code en-x-Q.... [17:17:46] but not sure which Q [17:18:24] That sounds a bit confusing :) [17:18:40] Can we get tutorials for this stuff? [17:19:07] in time :) [17:19:15] "1st" is a very confusing case [17:19:30] if you think about "colors" vs "colours" ist's much clearer [17:19:42] I can't imagine what item we would use when there are two entirely equivalent spellings :/ [17:19:45] one is en-us, the other is en-uk. [17:19:57] Sure, I definitely get that use case :) [17:19:59] (though i'm not sure we have en-us, since mediawiki thinks en is the same as en-us) [17:20:48] nikki: do you have an example of such a case? sometimes, the distinction may be a bit artificial, but i think it's always possible to make such a distinction [17:20:53] Bye [17:21:03] (if this turns out to be a problem, we'll need to make a breaking change to the data model spec) [17:21:59] Heh. I'm wondering how this works for "vulgar" forms [17:22:07] joghurt, jogurt, portmonee, portemonnaie are the first things that come to mind [17:22:17] The Spanish academy accepts "almóndiga" as a vulgarism variation of "albóndiga" (meat ball, basically) [17:22:37] It's basically "way some people in the countryside write it / say it" [17:22:45] It's unclear to me whether that's one or two lexemes [17:23:45] Also wondering how it works with archaic forms where the spelling has changed, also new lexemes? [17:25:02] reosarevok: if it has the same morphology and the same set of meanings, i'd say it's the same lexeme. you could use es-x-Q1036511 or something like that for the "vulgar" form. [17:25:10] (sadly, we don't have a good UI for this yet) [17:25:51] reosarevok: for archaic forms, you'd use the Q-item for the respective spelling reform, or the respective period or region to make the distinction [17:25:55] What happens if there are *several* vernacular forms? [17:26:00] From different regions or something [17:26:20] (trying to generate edge cases here) [17:26:28] I'd just use the Q for the region for now. [17:26:40] but we may end up having to allow the codes to be extended by multiple codes. [17:27:04] the reason to force the distinction is to avoid that people just dump in all variants with no way to distinguish what is what [17:27:34] (also, this means variants work the same as label languages, that makes things easier software-wise) [17:27:48] if this ends up being a serious problem, we'll have to reconsider. [17:28:05] we did have this debate internally before. it's my fault that is is the way it is :) [17:28:23] I mean, a different way would still have similar issues, this is tricky either way [17:28:47] semantic modeling always is :) [17:29:06] Can we have preferred / deprecated in form variants? :p [17:29:31] we may have to add this. the current hack for "preferred variant" is "use the one with the shortest code" :D [17:33:14] Did someone revert my 1st thingy or should I anyway? [17:34:08] Ok, you did. Thanks :) [17:34:35] reosarevok: i did, yea... if you can think of a good q-id to use for the distinction, we can put it back! [17:34:40] maybe we should just make one [17:34:57] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q102786 ? [17:35:41] hm. that would also fit "frst". but sure, why not :) [17:36:45] thinking about edge cases is such a lot of fun. is "iff" a lexeme? or a form or spelling of the phrase "if and only if"? [17:38:10] So like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L2? [17:38:35] Oh, no, we're going to have N lexemes for each possible combination of unicode characters until a certain length and language D: [17:39:13] help me find the GND of an item [17:39:46] It is really hard for me and I need it [17:39:55] I don t speak german [17:40:03] reosarevok: \o/ [17:40:26] Please help me [17:40:59] hello WiseWoman [17:41:09] * DanielK_WMDE should be doing code reviews, not playing with lexemes [17:41:13] Hallo DanielK_WMDE [17:41:16] :) [17:41:27] But it is fun playing with lexemes [17:41:51] Please Daniel help me [17:41:58] This i need help [17:42:16] Adminshelpme: if you're on the page of an item, look at the bottom of the page, in the list of external identifiers [17:42:25] or just Ctrl+F and type GND [17:42:36] I am making a page [17:42:40] if you find nothing, well, maybe this item has no GND ID, or it's not present [17:42:45] And I need the end of this item [17:42:54] The GND [17:42:58] what is it about? [17:43:03] Dog Bed [17:43:20] Auregann_WMDE: i think he's trying to *add* the GND [17:43:29] Yes [17:43:35] ...but doesn't have it [17:43:50] I highly doubt GND has a record about dog beds [17:44:01] Wait it doesn't have a GND [17:44:10] :) [17:44:17] How would I find it [17:44:35] If it does have one [17:45:00] well if it doesn't have a GND ID, there's not much you can do about it [17:45:24] How would I try to find it if it does have one though [17:45:28] Theoretically [17:46:33] Mostly just search via VIAF or https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=newSearch¤tView=simple&selectedCategory=any [17:47:45] I don't speak german [17:48:36] But ok I think I got it bye [17:52:50] I am [17:52:56] Wikidata [17:53:00] Remember md [17:53:02] Me [17:57:48] I made a few edits [17:57:58] I want you to check if they are ok [17:58:15] View my co contributions [17:58:29] Contributions [17:58:55] To make sure they are not counted as vandalism [17:59:43] Please guys view my contributions [18:00:43] not vandalism [18:01:06] Thank you also did you see what I said on my talk page on commons [18:01:11] Stryn [18:02:11] I found vandalism [18:02:15] On a pahe [18:02:17] Page [18:03:10] I fixed it [18:03:54] it was 12 days there [18:04:13] This https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q38076&oldid=681168477 [18:04:29] Yes it was [18:04:40] May 18 [18:06:55] I want to be an admin [18:10:39] !admin I want to be an admin [18:10:39] Attention requested HakanIST sjoerddebruin revi [18:10:48] [[WD:A]] [18:10:48] 10[2] 1010https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators - Redirección desde 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/WD:A?redirect=no [18:11:11] Adminshelpme: read [[Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Administrator]] [18:11:11] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Administrator [18:11:12] Knowing where to apply is the first step to become an admin. :) [18:12:16] and again, please do not abuse ((!))admin [18:17:01] How do I vote [18:17:06] For myself [18:18:40] Adminshelpme: Being an admin shouldn't be a goal [18:18:53] If that's the case, you'll probably don't achieve it [18:19:12] Wait my admin thing I made is not where it is supposed to be [18:19:16] Please help me [18:19:38] Tell me how I can help you :) [18:20:00] Get it to this link [18:20:09] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Administrator [18:20:20] It is not there but it is in my contributions [18:21:31] Found... https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_permissions/Administrator/Cookingmonster123 [18:21:45] Yes [18:21:55] Why is it my in the TOX [18:21:58] TOC [18:22:47] Wh [18:22:49] Why [18:23:45] Please get it there [18:23:56] It's not possible that your request is successful, Adminshelpme, people will vote considering your previous contributions, but they're almost zero [18:24:09] So I recommend you to wait :) [18:24:27] +his IP is blocked on enwiki for vandalism [18:24:39] Get it on the Voting TOC Please [18:24:45] Yeah, I know [18:25:00] Adminshelpme: you add it by yourself or we delete your voting page [18:25:09] IDK HOW [18:26:01] then you can't be an admin, try to learn first how to edit [18:26:58] Help me [18:27:02] Please [18:27:09] (Or not to edit if that's not what you really like) :) [18:27:12] PROBLEM - wikidata.org dispatch lag is higher than 300s on www.wikidata.org is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - pattern not found - 1970 bytes in 0.082 second response time [18:30:19] I just want the blue background [18:31:04] Please give me the blue background [18:31:05] don't worry, it will get archived.. [18:31:09] Like everyone else [18:31:42] Stryn give me that background [18:31:47] no [18:32:05] Adminshelpme: We're saying this for you, Adminshelpme, the page will be deleted at some point, sorry [18:32:24] I know [18:32:31] But I want the background [18:32:33] Please [18:32:38] Stop wasting our time. [18:32:45] Go in and give me that blue background [18:33:39] STRYN DO IT NOW [18:33:42] PLEASE [18:33:50] I WANT THAT BLUE BACKGROUND [18:33:55] !ops [18:34:18] done [18:34:22] Thx u [18:34:27] Thanks [18:34:31] np [18:34:57] You removed it [18:35:02] yep [18:35:09] Oh [18:35:11]