[09:02:52] The query in https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings/Top_creators_by_number_of_paintings seems to no longer update because of timeouts [09:03:17] Can someone (nikki?) see if there's a possible more optimized version that would work? [10:25:30] reosarevok: https://tinyurl.com/y7wxht8e took about 10 seconds for me [10:35:12] nikki: Did you know you're the best? [10:35:27] :D [10:36:04] to be clear, I mean the query now takes about 10 seconds... I'm not *that* fast :P [10:36:26] I know, I know :) [11:57:03] lucaswerkmeister: you added some hooks for saving statements, right? do you know if there's anything similar for saving labels, lemmas or forms? [11:57:14] not as far as I know [11:57:22] bah [11:57:26] but I think all the existing JS hooks should be documented somewhere now [11:58:22] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/EWBA/browse/master/docs/hooks-js.txt [12:02:23] thanks [12:02:36] I'll try to bookmark it in a way that I can actually find it again later :P [12:02:58] it looks like it should also be announced properly soon [12:03:13] but I don’t know about the details, I haven’t been very involved with T169775 [12:03:14] T169775: Declare Wikibase JavaScript hooks stable - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169775 [12:05:22] you should probably file feature request tasks for those other hooks, they sound useful :) [12:05:30] though I don’t know how they would be prioritized [12:10:10] a separate task for each one? [12:10:54] probably, yeah [20:07:02] I just found https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56490162 - is that a valid item or should it be deleted, and where can I find the relevant policy to decide such questions on my own next time? [20:14:25] our notability policy is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability (which you can find in the left column of the help page linked in the sidebar) [20:15:56] nikki, what are "serious and publicly available references"? [20:17:47] good question :( people don't really agree on what is or isn't included by that, but there should be external identifiers (not including things like social media accounts) or references on the statements [20:18:23] so social media explicitly are not serious? Then it's not notable, thanks [20:18:32] and that item has neither, so I think it clearly doesn't meet our notability policy right now [20:19:42] yeah, I don't think there's anyone who would say a social media account is enough to make someone notable [20:20:56] there are databases where people can add themselves and those are more disputed [20:22:22] another beginner's question: How do I nominate the item for deletion, now that we agree it shouldn't be there? [20:22:45] the help page doesn't seem to have a "deletion" link [20:23:07] ah, under "items", found it [20:23:39] the requests for deletion page is at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions, which is linked from the "community portal" page in the sidebar [20:24:00] thanks again [20:27:11] another question while I'm here: How about an author of an academic paper or the like? Would the paper be such a "serious reference" that makes the author notable? Or is that not enough "description"? [20:27:59] would the paper be a reference for *itself*? (ie is every published article notable enough to be an item?) [20:29:26] I don't pay much attention to articles, but I'm pretty sure there's someone who has been creating loads of items for scientific papers and it seems to be acceptable [20:29:48] so as far as I know, published articles are notable enough, and their authors would be too, in order to describe the article properly [20:30:11] I was just trying to figure out whether I'm notable :-) [20:30:19] won't create an item about myself [20:34:55] and any book or article would be notable if you're using it as a reference for another notable item [20:35:01] aha, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Research_Bot is what I was thinking of [20:37:10] ok, so it seems individual articles are notable if they're mentioned in some citation index, thanks