[01:35:47] <Dragonfly6-7>	 from what I can tell, this entry only exists because the guy is a hoaxer who repeatedly added himself to Wikipedia and similar crowdsourced sites
[01:35:47] <Dragonfly6-7>	 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q57180888
[01:35:57] <Dragonfly6-7>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Richard+Madenfort&prefix=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27+noticeboard&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns11=1
[01:36:17] <Dragonfly6-7>	 !admin
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[17:19:03] <pankhurst>	 Is "country of citizenship" (P27) the right property to use for a person's nationality?
[17:19:50] <pankhurst>	 It is listed as an alias, but it seems to me like "country of citizenship" and "nationality" are two slightly different things.
[17:20:43] <pankhurst>	 A person might consider themselves French, though may, for some reason, not actually be a French citizen.
[17:21:12] <Toba>	 yeah, i think those are different things
[17:23:15] <pankhurst>	 There is a separate entry for nationality (Q231002), but I can't set it as a property statement.
[17:24:16] <LotR>	 nationality is an official thing too, isn't it? not just "I feel french"
[17:25:56] <pankhurst>	 The Getty AAT defines nationality as "Identification of a person with a particular state or nation."
[17:26:54] <pankhurst>	 So I think it is only official in the sense that, for example, there is consensus that a person is French.
[17:27:38] <pankhurst>	 Though it goes onto say "In a modern sense, the it is the legal status of being a citizen or subject of a particular state, usually involving mutual obligations of support and protection."
[17:27:44] <pankhurst>	 https://www.getty.edu/vow/AATFullDisplay?find=&logic=AND&note=&subjectid=300379842
[17:28:30] <pankhurst>	 Using Getty as a source because their Union List of Artist Names defines nationality for artists.
[17:30:36] <LotR>	 P27 has "nationality" and "national of" as aliases
[17:56:46] <pankhurst>	 But there is a separate entry for nationality (Q231002)
[17:56:59] <pankhurst>	 But I can't set it for a person.
[18:01:05] <pankhurst>	 Is there any way to set nationality (Q231002) for a person?