[13:42:24] <hoo>	 jynus: Someone wants to do a large user rename on ptwiki (s2) is that ok to go?
[13:42:36] <hoo>	 Should be done before the master switch tonight
[13:43:10] <jynus>	 now?
[13:43:35] <hoo>	 yes, they want to do that now
[13:43:41] <jynus>	 ok for me
[13:45:50] <jynus>	 are people on those wikis aware of the read-only time, as far as you know?
[13:46:33] <hoo>	 No idea
[13:46:44] <jynus>	 ok, no problem
[13:46:47] <hoo>	 probably not, these are many mid-sized and some large wikis
[13:47:03] <hoo>	 different languages, virtually no community overlap
[14:04:55] <aude>	 jynus: how long will read-only be?
[14:05:26] <jynus>	 needed 1-10
[14:05:29] <jynus>	 seconds
[14:05:53] <jynus>	 I do not repond, however, for the time it takes to sync-file
[14:06:12] <aude>	 ok
[14:06:15] <aude>	 that should be ok
[14:06:55] <jynus>	 that is actually not ok, but we are going to eventually fix that
[14:08:19] <hoo>	 sync file will make that 2minutes at least
[14:08:26] <hoo>	 sync master takes about 70s
[14:08:33] <jynus>	 yep
[14:08:34] <hoo>	 and you need two syncs
[14:08:37] <hoo>	 that sucks :(
[14:09:03] <jynus>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119626 to the rescue
[14:09:32] <jynus>	 "imagine a world in which every schema change does not affect production at all. That is what we are doing."
[14:11:04] <jynus>	 "If there was a syncronized proxy on every app server, failover would take only 0 seconds"
[14:12:09] <jynus>	 sorry, but I need some hype for this in order to get on board some developers
[14:13:29] <aude>	 jynus: yeah :/
[14:13:36] <hoo>	 +1
[14:14:44] <jynus>	 aude, skeptical smiley (:/)?
[14:15:08] <aude>	 if any more substantial read-only time, i'd suggest a non-intrusive central notice banner (logged in only)
[14:15:12] <aude>	 to let them know
[14:16:43] <aude>	 which is probably something the community support / communications people could help with
[14:17:00] <hoo>	 think we already have such a bnanner
[14:17:04] <jynus>	 I told greg and asked for it
[14:17:06] <hoo>	 might be terribly outdated, though
[14:17:43] <aude>	 jynus: hoo ok
[14:17:57] <aude>	 though i think read only has another message
[14:18:07] <aude>	 or something to use
[14:18:11] <jynus>	 yes
[14:18:13] <hoo>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNotice&subaction=noticeDetail&notice=Generic+maintenance+notice
[14:18:31] <jynus>	 See: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/269391/
[14:19:28] <aude>	 ah, ok
[14:19:45] <jynus>	 I do not know if that actually show something all the time or only on eddit
[14:20:13] <aude>	 what hoo suggest would be nice and sure we could update the text
[14:21:37] <jynus>	 please comment on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125215#1987317
[14:23:38] <aude>	 ok