[15:04:16] <sumanah>	if you're thinking of coming to the developers' conference in May in Berlin:
[15:04:16] <sumanah>	http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011#Straw_Poll
[15:04:59] <sumanah>	http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-March/052061.html specifically, please help us choose a date: either May 20-22, 2011 or May 13-15, 2011
[15:05:45] <apergos>	I think either works... hmm lemme look actually
[15:06:40] <sumanah>	apergos: please look, & tell your friends :)
[15:06:40] <apergos>	yes either.
[15:06:55] <apergos>	I'll add that however
[15:07:03] <sumanah>	apergos: thanks!
[15:07:09] <sumanah>	good for Nicole to know.
[15:08:36] <^demon>	Oh, yay either of those work :)
[15:09:03] <apergos>	added
[15:09:34] <sumanah>	jorm: May 20-22, 2011 or May 13-15, 2011? are you coming?
[15:10:23] <^demon>	Either of those work, but the 20-22nd is best for me :)
[15:10:37] <^demon>	13th just means I'll be really really jetlagged :p
[15:10:53] <sumanah>	werdna, nimish_g, et al. -- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011#Straw_Poll
[15:11:39] <guillom>	sumanah, as far as WMF staff is concerned (jorm, nimish_g , etc.), they're likely to come whatever the date :)
[15:11:50] <guillom>	hi sumanah btw :)
[15:11:51] <sumanah>	guillom: not if they have family obligations...
[15:11:54] <sumanah>	hi guillom
[15:12:27] <guillom>	Family obligations! Hah! Nobody has that :D
[15:12:58] <sumanah>	guillom: :)  personally, I have a scifi convention that conflicts with 28-30 May so I am glad we eliminated that :)
[15:13:12] <guillom>	sumanah, oh? Which one?
[15:13:17] <sumanah>	guillom: WisCon
[15:13:43] <^demon>	I'm glad 6-8th is eliminated. Middle of exams.
[15:13:56] <nimish_g>	sumanah: we eliminated the weekend of may 30?
[15:13:57] <guillom>	I didn't know "Feminist science fiction" existed.
[15:14:07] <apergos>	er?
[15:14:10] <sumanah>	guillom: sure does
[15:14:11] <apergos>	and why wouldn't it??
[15:14:37] <guillom>	I'm not saying it shouldn't, I'm saying I didn't know about it.
[15:14:44] <sumanah>	guillom: every intersection of any belief system & any form of art has a substantial chance of existing, I figure :)
[15:15:09] <guillom>	Right.
[15:15:10] <sumanah>	nimish_g: it looks that way, yes
[15:16:11] <sumanah>	nimish_g: the last weekend is, I believe, bad for students' exam schedules?
[15:16:38] <nimish_g>	yay!
[15:17:36] <sumanah>	I've also spread the word via wikitech-l but I thought I might also need to spam #w-d to ensure people spoke up about conflicts :)
[15:18:22] <sumanah>	guillom: quick scifi recommendations: check out http://strangehorizons.com/fiction.shtml and http://tiptree.org/
[15:19:15] <guillom>	Which reminds me, I have to see if I can make it to WonderCon, since I managed to get a press pass.
[15:19:51] <guillom>	(Why did they have to cancel the Spring all-staff meeting, I ask you!)
[15:21:23] <^demon>	We usually announce the hacking events on the techblog too, but probably want to nail down a date first.
[15:21:55] <apergos>	well yeah that would be good
[15:22:10] <apergos>	"yes we're aving a hackathon, please come.. er... sometime" isn't quite as compelling
[15:22:18] <sumanah>	^demon: hmm, maybe we should announce the two possible dates and ask people to tell us if they really wanna come to tell us which date is better?
[15:23:24] <^demon>	Hmm, is that worth a techblog mention?
[15:23:50] <guillom>	Errr, wait a minute; I'm just realizing... why are we still discussing the dates of the Berlin event? Last I checked, it said "Date is fixed: May 20-22 2011"
[15:23:58] <guillom>	Meh, it's been changed again
[15:24:03] <apergos>	yes it has
[15:24:04] <guillom>	I hate it when they do that
[15:24:23] <guillom>	'cause I'm about to publish the monthly engineering report with the May 20-22 date
[15:24:28] <guillom>	well, I was
[15:24:31] <apergos>	ah
[15:25:03] <guillom>	sumanah, I'll modify the monthly tech blog post to tell people to go participate in the straw poll
[15:25:12] <sumanah>	guillom: thanks
[15:25:44] <sumanah>	guillom: I'm sorry -- basically, we realized that we had thought we had fixed the date, but then multiple people hadn't seen the straw poll and spoke up with conflicts with the 20-22 May date
[15:26:12] <guillom>	no problem
[15:26:16] <sumanah>	guillom: my apologies on the bouncing. thanks
[15:26:32] <guillom>	I'm glad you discussed it in the channel today :)
[15:26:38] <guillom>	otherwise I'd have missed it
[15:27:05] <guillom>	So, thanks :)
[15:27:07] <sumanah>	:)
[15:28:44] <guillom>	sumanah, do you have a user account on mediawiki.org ?
[15:28:48] <sumanah>	guillom: I do
[15:28:51] <sumanah>	sumanah
[15:29:02] <guillom>	thanks
[15:30:57] <sumanah>	guillom: but I only log in at secure.wikimedia most of the time, thanks to HTTPS Everywhere -- not sure whether that makes a difference
[15:31:08] <guillom>	It doesn't.
[15:31:15] <sumanah>	thought not :)
[15:31:27] <sumanah>	ok, gotta dash, back in a bit
[15:52:19] <barebone>	Hello, when using hotcat, it want's a confirmation message if I want to save or not? It didn't happen with 1.16, but happening with 1.17. What's the solution?
[18:41:20] <sumanah>	thanks to everyone who's filled in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011#Straw_Poll
[18:46:25] <jorm>	i think this should be used in the berline hack-a-ton:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Berlin_Regency_Geffen.JPG
[18:49:22] <jorm>	we can do terri nunn's hair in black and white.
[18:52:26] <mdale>	hehe jorm you could replace the faces with prominent hack meet up folks,  while keeping the hair ;)
[18:55:39] <jorm>	huh.  berlin still puts out records.
[19:05:22] <guillom>	sumanah, I took the liberty of creating a stub user page for you on mediawiki.org, since it was linked from the monthly report (where we report your hiring). Feel free to edit it away.
[19:05:30] <sumanah>	thank you guillom
[19:53:31] <sumanah>	we seem close to nailing 13-15 May as the date for the developers' meeting in Berlin: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011#Straw_Poll
[21:50:42] <sumanah>	bawolff: I'm updating https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects and related pages to reflect what got merged, etc.  Can you help me understand what the status is now of your 2010 project?
[21:51:00] <bawolff>	thats a good question
[21:51:04] <bawolff>	Currently its in a branch
[21:51:25] <bawolff>	the plan I think was to look into merging it when 1.17 was released
[21:52:58] <bawolff>	which is happening soonish, or at the very least things are starting to settle down in terms of 1.17 prep madness
[21:56:18] <sumanah>	bawolff: ok, good to know forward progress is happening
[21:57:00] <bawolff>	or at least I hope so anyways :)
[21:57:25] <bawolff>	probably something i should discuss with other folks in the very near future
[22:01:01] <sumanah>	bawolff: yeah -- thanks for the update!
[22:01:17] <sumanah>	bawolff: now I just have to figure out the current status of, like, 24 other past projects
[22:08:44] *bawolff 	should probably re-look through his code. I havn't looked at it in a couple months