[01:05:29] 6Project-Creators: Create Traffic Component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96676#1226552 (10BBlack) [01:05:58] 6Project-Creators: Create Traffic Component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96676#1224316 (10BBlack) ^ Updated description wording a bit, maybe that is slightly-clearer. [01:06:29] 6Project-Creators: Create Traffic Component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96676#1226555 (10BBlack) [07:28:19] 6Phabricator: Cannot view T96548 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96554#1226951 (10valhallasw) 5duplicate>3Resolved [08:01:06] 6Phabricator: Next Phabricator upgrade on 2015-04-22 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89830#1226988 (10Christopher) I am not sure about the process for moving an existing git repository, but the place to request new repos is here http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/New_repositories/Requests. QChris handled th... [08:45:06] 6Engineering-Community, 10Wikimedia-Hackathon-2015, 3ECT-April-2015: Engage with established technical communities at the Wikimedia Hackathon 2015 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76325#1227028 (10Qgil) >>! In T92565#1220557, @MarkAHershberger wrote: > Jamie Thinglestad -- runs WikiApiary If he is willi... [08:49:32] 6Engineering-Community, 6Team-Practices: Way of working in a good MediaWiki software project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85590#1227034 (10Qgil) Joel, thank you for taking this task! Let me know if you need any help. [09:20:35] 6Engineering-Community, 3ECT-April-2015: Define the impact of the new Community Engagement department for the Engineering Community Team - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91742#1227074 (10Qgil) 5Open>3Resolved As a result of [[ https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-April/077619.html | t... [09:22:54] 6Engineering-Community, 3ECT-April-2015: Call for hosts: Wikimedia Hackathon 2016 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91395#1227088 (10Qgil) [09:43:41] 6Engineering-Community, 3ECT-April-2015: Engineering Community quarterly goals for April-June 2015 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93770#1227115 (10Qgil) After the [[ https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-April/077619.html | reorganization announced yesterday ]], we need to look again to... [09:45:37] 6Engineering-Community, 3ECT-April-2015: Engineering Community quarterly goals for April-June 2015 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93770#1227117 (10Qgil) >>! In T93770#1206907, @Aklapper wrote: > I edited my two items (external deps) but I have a hard time to come up with quantitative measures for a task... [10:06:32] 6Project-Creators: Create "German-community-wishlist" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96366#1227152 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) After some discussion internally we think a better name for it would be "dewiki-technical-wishes". So if nobody objects, I'm going to create the project. [10:12:40] 6Engineering-Community: Hackathon 2016 in Israel - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96826#1227177 (10Aklapper) [10:18:33] 6Project-Creators: Create "German-community-wishlist" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96366#1227180 (10Aklapper) Feel free to go ahead [11:25:53] 6Project-Creators: Create "German-community-wishlist" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96366#1227235 (10Krenair) Urgh. For the Wikipedia site only? Not the other German WMF-hosted wikis? Are you planning to start tracking on-wiki issues with this, like gadgets? [12:34:55] 6Engineering-Community, 3ECT-April-2015: Engineering Community quarterly goals for April-June 2015 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93770#1227334 (10Aklapper) [13:28:29] 6Project-Creators: Create "WikidataQualityConstraints" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96139#1227407 (10Tamslo) p:5Triage>3Normal [13:28:41] 6Project-Creators: Create "WikidataQualityExternalValidation" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96141#1227408 (10Tamslo) p:5Triage>3Normal [13:32:37] 6Project-Creators: Create Traffic Component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96676#1227412 (10Aklapper) 5Open>3Resolved Requested project has been created: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1201/ Please encourage interested people to visit the project and to join the project as {icon use... [13:38:12] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-External-Validation" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96141#1227432 (10Aklapper) [13:40:34] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-External-Validation" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96141#1227433 (10Aklapper) Where can I find more information / a project description? (As Phabricator is a public place, it should be possible for anybody to look at the project page and find out what a... [13:41:01] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-Constraints" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96139#1227441 (10Aklapper) [13:41:29] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-Constraints" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96139#1209268 (10Aklapper) Where can I find more information / a project description? (As Phabricator is a public place, it should be possible for anybody to look at the project page and find out what a project... [13:46:15] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-External-Validation" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96141#1227456 (10Tamslo) Information and project description: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikidataQuality We need to keep #wikidata-quality, it will still be part of our project and a base extension... [13:46:57] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-Constraints" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96139#1227457 (10Tamslo) Information and project description: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikidataQuality We need to keep #wikidata-quality, it will still be part of our project and a base extension for Wiki... [13:48:04] andre__: qgil twentyafterfour about? [13:48:06] greg-g: ? [13:48:11] I'm around [13:48:17] seems we should delay upgrade based on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95469 [13:48:23] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95469#1222775 [13:48:33] "I would strongly recommend against releasing this as it is currently implemented for the following reasons:" [13:48:42] that's pretty concise there [13:48:51] hmm, k. [13:48:58] agree / disagree? [13:49:02] just wondering for how long. is that fixable in a week? :-/ [13:49:19] I have no idea but if we say team practices owns useability on sprint [13:49:22] and they say it's in a bad state [13:49:25] idk how we can ignore it [13:49:36] true that [13:49:48] which I don't like [13:49:48] I think it's unclear to everybody how much they "own" it though [13:49:52] since it puts my schedule in a weird spot [13:49:57] but we have a meeting about that later today [13:50:06] that's fair I did say [13:50:07] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95469#1217373 [13:50:11] and they did acknowledge [13:50:29] would rather just get this done but [13:50:38] yeah, though I wonder if that's actually a regression. Hmm, hmm. Damn, I should have read that ticket more closely [13:50:42] I'm not willing to upgrade this when they are saying nope I guess [13:50:53] Yeah... [13:51:14] it says new feature [13:51:23] so we could say just ignore the new feature for now but that is dicey reasoning [13:51:40] 6Project-Creators: Create "German-community-wishlist" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96366#1227474 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) For the beginning this is mostly about the Top-20 wishes from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Umfragen/Technische_W%C3%BCnsche/Top_20. We are actively working on that list and... [13:51:53] what's your thought here? [13:54:03] * andre__ still reading [13:58:58] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-Constraints" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96139#1227503 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) Done. Created the project: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1202/ @Tamslo it's yours now, please take care of the necessary steps (e.g. moving the relevant tasks,... [13:59:06] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-Constraints" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96139#1227504 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Tobi_WMDE_SW [13:59:29] chasemp: hmm well, would targetting the next Wed actually work for you at all? Or will you be rather entirely offline those next weeks? :) [13:59:37] (just wondering how much choice we have here) [13:59:43] I will not be online if stuff happens [13:59:48] and I won't make an exception for this [14:00:04] sure, understand [14:00:27] I did communicate that to awjr_away previously but haven't spoken with klans_wmf tbh [14:00:32] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-External-Validation" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96141#1227508 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) Done. Created the project: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1203/ @Tamslo it's yours now, please take care of the necessary steps (e.g. moving the relevant... [14:00:38] 6Project-Creators: Create "Wikidata-Quality-External-Validation" project - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96141#1227509 (10Tobi_WMDE_SW) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Tobi_WMDE_SW [14:00:46] time is now I'm going to comment on the delay per blocking task not closed [14:00:51] and clearly there is no consensus on why [14:00:54] do you agree? [14:01:11] it's better to wait than to do things which cause mass confusion / issues [14:01:18] I agree [14:01:43] 6Phabricator: Next Phabricator upgrade on 2015-04-22 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89830#1227515 (10Aklapper) T95469 is still open. And T95469#1217373 in combination with >>! In T95469#1222775, @KLans_WMF wrote: > ** I would strongly recommend against releasing this as it is currently implemented for the... [14:01:46] sorry man [14:01:53] maybe we can get a special window later in the wwek [14:02:04] heh, no. I should have seen that coming a bit earlier, and I didn't either. Sigh [14:02:21] sth to bring up in the meeting in 3h I guess [14:02:39] chasemp, yeah, maybe later this week. Would love to get another update in place before you leave, tbh [14:02:48] should be doable [14:04:36] 6Phabricator: Next Phabricator upgrade on 2015-04-XX - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89830#1227541 (10Aklapper) [14:04:40] 6Phabricator: Next Phabricator upgrade on 2015-04-XX - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89830#1227542 (10chasemp) https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95469#1227540 [14:04:52] andre__: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95469#1227540 [14:06:36] +1. thanks [14:07:45] fyi channel upgrade for phab delayed [14:33:53] chasemp: morning [14:34:10] chasemp: you were expecting me at 6:30? :) [14:34:13] morning [14:34:20] not really but worth a shot :) [14:34:39] I don't know what hours you keep greg-g, my stalking only goes so far [14:35:18] well, if I was a normal bay arean, I wouldn't be awake until 9am [14:35:51] cali time is 2 hours shifted I think [14:36:07] so 10 a.m. is 8 a.m. in my experience :) [14:53:14] chasemp: yep [14:53:22] lazy hipsters [14:59:46] hah [15:48:55] chasemp: regardless of the issues with sprint we've got a ton of other stuff needing to go out [15:50:28] if you can find time to show me what I need to watch out for when upgrading via your puppet deployment setup then I can handle the deployment [15:50:38] maybe do it next week [15:54:20] 6Project-Creators, 6CA-team: New Project: Privacy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92889#1228059 (10Aklapper) >>! In T92889#1223960, @PerfektesChaos wrote: > I failed to find any workboard where resolved security issues are pinned; they might be communicated via e-mail and published after leak fix deployme... [15:54:22] twentyafterfour: in theory we can upgrade phab with existing sprint stuffs and little modification or something idk [15:54:37] but since it hasn't been vetted taht way and I had only a little time and no one was aroiund [15:54:38] here we are [16:29:21] 6Phabricator, 7Puppet: Initialize phd working directory for phd services - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96567#1228138 (10Negative24) [16:29:31] 6Phabricator, 7Puppet: Initialize phd working directory for phd services - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96567#1228140 (10Negative24) 5Open>3Resolved [16:31:05] 6Phabricator, 7Puppet: Initialize phd working directory for phd services - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96567#1220826 (10Negative24) [16:38:01] 6Engineering-Community, 10Wikimedia-Hackathon-2015, 3ECT-April-2015: Engage with established technical communities at the Wikimedia Hackathon 2015 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76325#1228144 (10MarkAHershberger) >>! In T76325#1227028, @Qgil wrote: > Interesting. I don't know whether we have budget for... [16:47:51] was there a shortcut to link from phab ticket to gerrit url? [16:48:19] or diffusion but my input would be the gerrit change id [16:55:15] no shortcuts that I am aware of [16:55:23] just paste the URL to gerrit [16:57:24] andre__: ok, i did. thanks [17:07:10] I find myself wishing for the same thing often. working with gerrit really sucks [17:16:06] in all honesty, I find ppl have stockholm syndrome with gerrit or something [17:16:16] because from my perspective it is such a terrible experience [17:21:05] it is probably the worst software I've had to use in the last several years [17:21:38] In 2001 I wrote software that bad. But that's when I was just learning PHP [17:44:12] but i didnt even ask anything about working _with_ gerrit, just working with phab to link _to_ gerrit :) [17:44:54] and if i should use diffusion instead the question is more like "how to translate gerrit change id to diffusion link the lazy way" [18:08:10] <^d> chasemp: Nobody /likes/ gerrit. [18:08:13] <^d> People /tolerate/ it [18:08:26] <^d> I've yet to find anyone (other than upstream) who actually /like/ the damn thing [18:08:49] <^d> and upstream is all kinds of crazy! [18:19:19] i think gerrit is just fine, go crazy [18:20:08] <^d> mutante: no it isn't. [18:20:14] <^d> it's ok to be wrong about things sometimes :) [18:20:16] there should be more people reviewing though [18:20:20] <^d> gerrit is just one of those black and white things [18:46:57] 6Engineering-Community, 6ArchCom, 10Architecture, 3ECT-April-2015: Fix the Architecture Committee and the RfC process - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T87470#1228638 (10Spage) a:5Spage>3None [20:16:25] 6Project-Creators, 10Continuous-Integration, 6Release-Engineering: Create "Continuos-Integration-Config" component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96908#1229102 (10Krinkle) 3NEW [20:16:46] 6Project-Creators, 10Continuous-Integration, 6Release-Engineering: Create "Continuous-Integration-Config" component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96908#1229109 (10Krinkle) [20:19:41] 6Project-Creators, 10Continuous-Integration, 6Release-Engineering: Create "Continuous-Integration-Config" component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96908#1229116 (10Krinkle) p:5Triage>3High [20:58:26] 6Project-Creators, 10Continuous-Integration, 6Release-Engineering: Create "Continuous-Integration-Config" component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96908#1229330 (10hashar) Since new tasks land in our `Untriaged` column should we get a `Config` column to hold them? The advantage would be to still have... [21:06:02] 6Project-Creators, 10Continuous-Integration, 6Release-Engineering: Create "Continuous-Integration-Config" component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96908#1229351 (10Krinkle) >>! In T96908#1229330, @hashar wrote: > Since new tasks land in our `Untriaged` column should we create a `Config` column to hold... [21:08:17] 6Project-Creators, 10Continuous-Integration, 6Release-Engineering: Create "Continuous-Integration-Config" component - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96908#1229358 (10hashar) Perfect we are on the same line. I just wanted to make sure you had the same idea :-) [22:09:20] 6Project-Creators, 6CA-team: New Project: Privacy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T92889#1229541 (10Aklapper) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Aklapper Requested project has been created: #Privacy Please encourage interested people to visit the project and to join the project as {icon users} members, and to [[ ht...