[06:56:15] 10Phabricator, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 05acl*phabricator: #blocked-on-schema-change was archived, now schema change workflow is broken - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145361#2627544 (10jcrespo) [06:58:05] 10Phabricator, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 05acl*phabricator: #blocked-on-schema-change was archived, now schema change workflow is broken - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145361#2627544 (10Legoktm) I unarchived it for now. [07:02:11] 10Phabricator, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 05acl*phabricator: #blocked-on-schema-change was archived, now schema change workflow is broken - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145361#2627558 (10jcrespo) I will wait to see if I did something wrongly or was just a mistake. [11:04:28] 10Phabricator, 06Release-Engineering-Team, 05acl*phabricator: #blocked-on-schema-change was archived, now schema change workflow is broken - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T145361#2627994 (10Aklapper) > @Aklapper archived Blocked-on-schema-change, despite being created with his ok, now WMF schema creation... [11:45:02] 10Phabricator, 06Project-Admins, 06Developer-Relations (Jul-Sep-2016), 07RfC: Abandon (or at least strongly simplify) project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2628151 (10Aklapper) Attempting to summarize. Feedback please (and answers to questions). * Creation of (future) projec... [15:43:33] 10Wikibugs, 06Multimedia, 10grrrit-wm: New Phabricator tasks and new Gerrit changesets about FileAnnotations should be reported in #wikimedia-multimedia IRC channel - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144997#2629044 (10Aklapper) [15:50:54] 10Wikibugs, 06Multimedia, 10grrrit-wm, 13Patch-For-Review: New Phabricator tasks and new Gerrit changesets about FileAnnotations should be reported in #wikimedia-multimedia IRC channel - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144997#2616436 (10Paladox) I can deploy this one https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/31002... [16:27:22] 10Wikibugs, 06Multimedia, 10grrrit-wm, 13Patch-For-Review: New Phabricator tasks and new Gerrit changesets about FileAnnotations should be reported in #wikimedia-multimedia IRC channel - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144997#2629297 (10Paladox) I've deployed https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/310027/ n... [17:50:43] twentyafterfour (or other phab experts): Can you help me understand subprojects, milestones, and membership? [17:52:20] once it's figured out, add to https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/scap-201617-q2 [17:52:23] gah [17:52:23] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Creating_and_renaming_projects/Project_types [17:52:36] Is a milestone considered a "subproject"? If so, then the parent project would not be allowed to have members, because they are inherited from the subprojects (and milestones). But the milestone can't have members either. So these 2 projects (parent+milestone) could only have members if the parent ALSO has a non-milestone subproject, in which case that [17:52:37] subprojects membership would be inherited by the parent, and thus also inherited by the milestone? [17:53:27] I'm trying to update https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management#Parent_Projects.2C_Sub-projects_and_Milestones right now [18:03:03] ah, some experimentation in phab seems to have revealed that milestones are NOT subprojects [18:07:11] edits done. fingers crossed. open to feedback, but also open to nobody responding. case closed unless someone tells me it's not. Thanks all for the rubber duck debugging. [18:20:07] meeple27: a milestone is sort of a special-case of subproject [18:20:31] parent projects inherit members from subprojects (not milestones) [18:20:38] milestones inherit members from their parent project [18:21:04] so yeah you got it right [18:22:21] also fwiw, I can convert existing projects to become subprojects but it has to be done from the shell on the phabricator server, it's not supported through the web interface [18:37:58] I added a section about converting projects into subprojects / milestones [18:39:25] twentyafterfour: thanks! [19:03:28] no problem! [19:59:01] meeple27: the standard use case for milestones is to allow sprints [19:59:34] Dereckson: Yup, we're using them that way. Well, for kanban sprint-like things, anyway [19:59:42] (where we = the team I work closely with) [20:00:13] "milestones" is a terrible name, but we live with it [20:04:50] It seems the goal was to be neutral and avoid a word too tied with a specific methodology. [20:06:03] 10Wikibugs, 06Multimedia, 10grrrit-wm, 13Patch-For-Review: New Phabricator tasks and new Gerrit changesets about FileAnnotations should be reported in #wikimedia-multimedia IRC channel - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T144997#2630336 (10matmarex) 05Open>03Resolved Thanks folks! [20:25:11] 10Phabricator, 06Project-Admins: Create policy projects and convert people projects to open - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90491#2630396 (10Aklapper) [20:37:47] 10Phabricator, 06Project-Admins, 06Developer-Relations (Jul-Sep-2016), 07RfC: Abandon (or at least strongly simplify) project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2422910 (10Krenair) >>! In T139210#2628151, @Aklapper wrote: > **** Special cases you don't need to deal with: `Patch-For... [20:47:34] 10Phabricator, 06Project-Admins, 06Developer-Relations (Jul-Sep-2016), 07RfC: Abandon (or at least strongly simplify) project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2630586 (10Krenair) >>! In T139210#2628151, @Aklapper wrote: > **** Special cases you don't need to deal with: `Patch-For... [21:11:05] 10Phabricator, 06Project-Admins, 06Developer-Relations (Jul-Sep-2016), 07RfC: Abandon (or at least strongly simplify) project creation policy - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T139210#2630745 (10Aklapper) >>! In T139210#2630586, @Krenair wrote: > ACL projects/spaces should still go via project-admins In...