[12:54:46] (CR) Krinkle: "ping" [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59366 (owner: Adamw) [13:15:32] (Abandoned) Krinkle: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/contrib' into HEAD [wikimedia/fundraising/crm/civicrm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/87444 (owner: Adamw) [17:25:44] (CR) Mwalker: [C: 2] quick_autoreview only works on contacts having an email address [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92434 (owner: Adamw) [17:26:36] hi all [17:26:47] where would I find your team's roadmap (or whatever you happen to call it)? [17:26:58] (CR) Mwalker: [C: 2] add keys to civicrm_entity_tag [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92456 (owner: Adamw) [17:27:55] greg-g: hahahahahahahah [17:27:59] um... K4-713? [17:28:07] ? [17:28:08] :( [17:28:17] ok, let's start more simply [17:28:20] Roadmap: Raise all the money in January. [17:28:24] hey all, where do you keep a page about your team? [17:28:28] Er. *by* january. [17:28:39] Starting in... [17:28:43] * K4-713 looks at watch [17:29:52] greg-g: There's a ton of outdated documentation in cascading locations based on how much of it we can't publish. [17:30:02] that's.... amazing [17:30:10] :P [17:30:26] Yeah. Openness is all fun and games until you're usually under NDA. [17:30:33] ef those [17:30:40] just put it on mw.org and be done with it ;) [17:30:45] Payments processors tend to get a little twitchy about that. [17:30:45] oh shit, it's that international observer [17:30:53] haha [17:30:54] quick, hide the ballot chad [17:30:54] hide all the weapons! [17:31:05] * greg-g dons a blue fedora [17:31:27] what kind of page are you looking for about the team though? it's possible we might have one [17:31:29] our roadmap is basically: refine uranium. get away with it [17:31:43] * K4-713 makes emphatic shushing gestures [17:31:53] man, ask a innocent little question and get back plans to destroy the world.... [17:32:06] hey we need some kind of power source to keep this php in cryogenic sleep [17:32:12] Ixnay on the erranium-yay. [17:32:57] soon it will be 2020 and we will STILL be running a major website using nothing but an archaic scripting language least affectionately known for its aspirations to being "corporate Perl" [17:33:23] ok, so, /me is filling out this section of the Deployments page: [17:33:24] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Product_roadmaps [17:33:36] greg-g: I've seen that. [17:33:45] purpose: so I can go check what is upcoming/in the pipe-line that will be deployed to users at some point [17:33:49] Can I assume that you... basically don't care about the payments cluster? [17:33:55] I was going for completeness, though maybe FR is a special duck [17:34:05] It usually is, yes. [17:34:24] mostly not care, but things like the banner testing that happened last week: would be good to know about [17:34:37] So, the thing with that is... [17:34:50] "special duck" [17:34:52] got it [17:34:53] ;) [17:35:22] ...people who are not engineers have worked very, very hard to maintain their ability to make decisions that are essentially Just In Time. [17:35:41] Asking them for a schedule before they're already doing something is like... [17:35:55] huh [17:36:18] I'll basically ignore that and just think to myself "special duck" [17:36:37] !log updated crm from 6f370cccad7f9 to 117025ce5c993d [17:36:37] ...like... asking a meteorologist exactly when the rain is going to start. [17:36:51] Logged the message, Master [17:37:21] greg-g: We can tell you, though, that we're going to be effing around with campaigns pretty consistently for the Big English campaign until January. [17:37:34] :/ ok [17:37:46] I think the plan is still to start 100% on December 1st. [17:38:13] * greg-g nods [17:38:14] Has anybody said anything about the CentralNotice calendar? [17:38:43] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CentralNotice/Calendar ? [17:38:44] My understanding is that meganhernandez always makes sure that's up to date, but I have no idea how far in advance things show up. [17:38:46] Aha. [17:38:47] Yes. [17:38:59] that's helpful, and I forgot about it [17:39:02] ty [17:39:08] Yep. [17:39:28] But... it might be helpful to imagine something close to a combat situation over here in fundraising tech until January hits. [17:39:31] heh, kinda helpful [17:39:36] "Starting in July & ongoing" :) [17:39:45] fair [17:39:52] alright, /ignore me [17:39:56] heh [17:40:14] So we should wake you up when December ends? [17:40:35] marktraceur: You should beat me unconscious with a shovel when December ends, more like. [17:40:50] * marktraceur puts on calendar [17:40:59] hi, first line in the cal talks about nov & dec fundraising [17:41:14] marktraceur: Make sure it's a brand-name shovel, though. I want that job done right. :p [17:41:15] See! That's the kind of info that is useful on the deploy calendar! [17:41:24] K4-713: Do you prefer dirt, snow, plastic, metal, what? [17:41:31] greg-g: But, is that really a deploy? [17:41:47] That's why it kind of escaped the thing in my head that goes "ding". [17:42:12] The only literal deploys we regularly care about are actual CentralNotice code, and mwalker generally works that out with you, correct? [17:42:17] yeah [17:42:33] they tend to be last-minute-ish, which I guess is ok for special ducks :) [17:42:44] * K4-713 quacks slightly [17:43:05] greg-g: I have sort of an internal roadmap for CentralNotice in my head [17:43:15] which isn't immediately helpful [17:43:22] mwalker: oh? if sort-of useful, mind writing it down when you have time? [17:43:27] Yeah, we're going to try to leave it alone until January. [17:43:48] where does that sort of thing go? /me asks without looking at the page you already linked to which probably has the answer [17:43:51] alright, /me goes to add "2014-01-01 - Hit K4 with a brand-name shovel" to the Deploy calendar [17:44:02] :) [17:44:08] (PS1) Adamw: revert annoying TRIGGER logging from civi core. [wikimedia/fundraising/crm/civicrm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92673 [17:44:10] greg-g: Hey, I called dibs...er...I call dibs now [17:44:21] I have plenty of surface area. [17:44:36] * greg-g edits it to "2014-01-01 - Hit K4 with a brand-name shovel (Mark H)" [17:45:53] mwalker: well, I would say as a sub-page of mw/CentralNotice, but that goes to the Extension page [17:46:19] then I would say as a subpage of the FR Team's page on mw.org, but that doesn't exist [17:46:21] doesn't it sort of make sense to have the roadmap with the extension? [17:46:23] then I would say.... [17:47:26] mwalker: well, just that the most common use case is roadmap of wmf-specific deploys/rollouts tend to be on a subpage of the team page leaving the extension page more "community pure" [17:47:33] !log dedupe updated from 5b9f19ba719dc6 to 922b3aa6b797a [17:47:49] Logged the message, Master [17:47:58] greg-g: How long has this been going on? The team page arrangement, I mean. [17:48:19] K4-713: which part? Their existence on mw.org? since before me. [17:48:33] me collating them and starting to check the semi-regularly: in-progress [17:48:41] huh [17:49:01] eg: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics [17:49:51] So... it seems odd for us to base ourselves on mw.org... [17:50:08] ...because only a fraction of what we have to write and maintain is even tangentially related to mediawiki. [17:50:10] +1 [17:50:19] but let's definitely put our pictures in a hierarchy :p [17:50:52] greg-g: There is this, though: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Fundraising [17:51:38] But this is better. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Fundraising [17:51:41] well, same reasoning for Analytics, though [17:51:47] it's just the hub of tech work at WMF [17:51:51] isntead of wikitech or meta [17:52:02] and *shudder* office.wiki [17:52:14] I can beat that. [17:52:16] Collab. [17:52:25] interesting [17:52:26] ...fundraisers are basically in love with collab. [17:52:39] * greg-g sighs [17:52:40] ;) [17:52:40] So, fundraising tech follows the fundraisers. [17:56:35] anywho, thanks for the lesson in how much money makes all things bad. :-) [17:56:50] whoohoo! deduper is back on its stumps [17:57:09] * greg-g waves to all [18:42:34] collabwiki? [18:42:47] that was considered dead by everyone AFAIK [21:06:18] (PS1) Mwalker: Revert "Serve Mobile URLs to Mobile Users" [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92772 [21:06:47] (CR) Mwalker: [V: 2] "I should also mention that we reverted this in the deploy branch so it's fair to revert it here." [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92772 (owner: Mwalker) [21:08:48] (CR) Mwalker: [C: 2] "oops; wrong field" [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92772 (owner: Mwalker) [21:32:07] (PS1) Mwalker: Crosswiki Banner Hiding [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92777 [21:34:50] (PS1) Katie Horn: Bugfix for the child contribution getter. I would like this query not to return a row of nulls if there are no matches. [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92780 [21:37:48] (CR) Mwalker: [C: 2 V: 2] Bugfix for the child contribution getter. I would like this query not to return a row of nulls if there are no matches. [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92780 (owner: Katie Horn) [21:38:52] (CR) Adamw: [C: -2] "Yeah... I can't justify working on this at the moment." [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59366 (owner: Adamw) [21:58:27] (PS2) Adamw: (FR #989) recurring error handling [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/91333 [22:00:55] !log updated civicrm to 06348e7eea3 [22:01:09] Logged the message, Master [22:05:35] (Abandoned) Adamw: Merge branch 'contrib' [wikimedia/fundraising/crm/drupal] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/81642 (owner: Adamw) [23:08:47] (PS1) Mwalker: Serve Mobile URLs to Mobile Users [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92806 [23:31:58] (CR) Adamw: [C: 2] "Whoohoo!" [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92777 (owner: Mwalker) [23:33:37] (Merged) jenkins-bot: Crosswiki Banner Hiding [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92777 (owner: Mwalker) [23:35:42] (PS2) Mwalker: Serve Mobile URLs to Mobile Users [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92806 [23:37:35] (CR) Adamw: [C: 2] Serve Mobile URLs to Mobile Users [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92806 (owner: Mwalker) [23:39:04] (Merged) jenkins-bot: Serve Mobile URLs to Mobile Users [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92806 (owner: Mwalker) [23:58:31] (PS1) Katie Horn: Fix for wmf_civicrm_mark_refund Zero is a valid count with a rowcount of 1. The very next "if" always errors. [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/92815