[00:27:05] (PS1) Adamw: (FR #807) Recurring contributions keep the original contribution's gateway account name [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96675 [00:27:26] False [00:27:28] [mingle] Tech Task #807 recurring globalcollect does not preserve gateway account name changed by Adam Wight: Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/807?version=18 [00:27:45] False [00:27:49] [mingle] Tech Task #807 recurring globalcollect does not preserve gateway account name changed by Adam Wight: Tech Status changed from In Development to Pending Code Review,Moved to Pending Code Review on se... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/807?version=19 [00:27:50] [mingle] Tech Task #1144 Rejected message queue overview changed by Adam Wight: https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1144?version=5 [00:27:54] wm-bot: FALSE [00:28:04] False [00:28:04] False [00:28:06] [mingle] Tech Task #1144 Rejected message queue overview changed by Adam Wight: Tech Status changed from Backlog to Dev Ready,Moved to Dev Ready on set to 2013/11/20 https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1144?version=5 [00:28:07] [mingle] Tech Task #1144 Rejected message queue overview changed by Adam Wight: Assigned To set to Adam Wight,Tech Status changed from Dev Ready to In Development,Moved to In De... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1144?version=6 [00:28:35] False [00:28:38] [mingle] Tech Task #1144 Rejected message queue navigator changed by Adam Wight: Name changed from Rejected message queue overview to Rejected message queue navigator https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1144?version=7 [00:34:31] (PS1) Adamw: strengthen reject() contract to always require an error [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96679 [00:35:55] False [00:35:57] [mingle] Tech Task #1193 Rejected message must always be annotated with the original error created by Adam Wight: Owner set to Adam Wight,Tech Status set to Backlog,Estimate set to 1,Priority set to Nice to Have... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1193?version=1 [00:36:10] False [00:36:26] False [00:36:26] False [00:36:28] [mingle] Tech Task #1193 Rejected message must always be annotated with the original error changed by Adam Wight: Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1193?version=2 [00:36:29] [mingle] Tech Task #1193 Rejected message must always be annotated with the original error changed by Adam Wight: Planning - Sprint set to #1191 Sprint 36 - Nearly Go Time,Added to Sprint set to 2013/11/20 https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1193?version=3 [00:36:41] False [00:36:42] False [00:36:43] False [00:36:44] [mingle] Tech Task #1193 Rejected message must always be annotated with the original error changed by Adam Wight: Tech Status changed from Backlog to Dev Ready,Moved to Dev Ready on set to 2013/11/20 https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1193?version=4 [00:36:45] [mingle] Tech Task #1193 Rejected message must always be annotated with the original error changed by Adam Wight: Assigned To set to Adam Wight,Tech Status changed from Dev Ready to In Development,Moved to In De... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1193?version=5 [00:36:46] [mingle] Tech Task #1193 Rejected message must always be annotated with the original error changed by Adam Wight: https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1193?version=6 [00:36:59] False [00:37:17] @rss-off [00:37:17] Permission denied [00:37:20] ...bollocks [00:40:40] @trust [00:40:44] @trusted [00:40:44] I trust: mwalker!.*@wikimedia/mwalker-wmf (2admin), .*@wikimedia/Adamw (2admin), .*@wikimedia/katiehorn (2admin), .*@wikipedia/jgreen (2admin), .*!.*@wikimedia/jeremyb (2admin), [00:41:21] @trust .*@fsf/member/marktraceur [00:41:27] @trusted [00:41:27] I trust: mwalker!.*@wikimedia/mwalker-wmf (2admin), .*@wikimedia/Adamw (2admin), .*@wikimedia/katiehorn (2admin), .*@wikipedia/jgreen (2admin), .*!.*@wikimedia/jeremyb (2admin), [00:41:36] @rss-off [00:41:37] Permission denied [00:41:40] Lol. [00:41:45] I may need to be admin [00:42:00] Oh, no, it didn't stick [00:42:02] @trustadd .*@fsf/member/marktraceur admin [00:42:02] Successfuly added .*@fsf/member/marktraceur [00:42:05] @trusted [00:42:05] I trust: mwalker!.*@wikimedia/mwalker-wmf (2admin), .*@wikimedia/Adamw (2admin), .*@wikimedia/katiehorn (2admin), .*@wikipedia/jgreen (2admin), .*!.*@wikimedia/jeremyb (2admin), .*@fsf/member/marktraceur (2admin), [00:42:13] @rss-off [00:42:13] Rss feed has been disabled on channel [00:42:16] Muahaha. [00:42:25] * awight hones a stiletto for the next bot to fuck with him [00:54:26] folks, you're a go to reenable that Hide banner feature, as long as you ping me first so that I can monitor that it's getting properly cached [00:54:36] mwalker: ^^ [00:54:48] the whole feature does sound horrible from a client performance standpoint, though, so you might want to let Ori know [00:58:08] (CR) Katie Horn: [C: 2 V: 2] strengthen reject() contract to always require an error [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96679 (owner: Adamw) [00:59:13] K4-713: if you wanna plug this leak, as well... https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/96572/ [00:59:57] awight: ...wow. [01:00:06] what what [01:00:11] I am actually embarrassed for paypal right now. [01:00:32] aah, it's sort of more correct to do it this way [01:00:45] but... a helluva thing to not inform customers about [01:00:57] it's as if they want us to die... [01:01:00] Also, if it's intermittent... [01:01:06] who knows! [01:02:13] Is one of their products some kind of listener that you install and pay service fees to get updates for? [01:02:19] Because then this would make more sense. [01:02:21] harr lol [01:02:55] maybe we could convince WMF to pay for the actual documentation? [01:03:01] (CR) Katie Horn: [C: 2 V: 2] "Yep: Gross." [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96572 (owner: Adamw) [01:03:21] ok I'll go ahead and deploy that earwax plug. [01:03:47] OH. http://www.nature.com/news/whale-earwax-a-time-capsule-for-stress-and-toxins-1.13750 [01:03:47] woot [01:03:59] I hope I already shared that... [01:04:09] I... wow. [01:04:49] "The extracted whale ear plug was 25.4 centimetres long." [01:04:59] holy hell [01:05:37] mwalker: deploying your TY changes now [01:06:47] This is just a strange statement: "Maternal transfer of pollutants is known to happen in other mammals, such as seals and humans." [01:06:58] Why mention seals first? [01:07:02] hehehe [01:07:10] biased-ass monkey scientists [01:07:20] Biased ass-monkey scientists... [01:07:21] Unless you read it like "such as seals... _AND HUMANS!_" [01:07:26] ;) [01:07:59] Also, who needs mammal examples in the first place? [01:08:09] !log updated crm from 326854db84becacf808add24a75ca27d1358c5bc to 9979fe9a0f456499ff5be261aa41ca601a88dc13 [01:08:12] hehehe [01:08:23] Logged the message, Master [01:08:33] Pollutants affect humans, for example: you, dear reader. [01:08:44] gotta bring the message home, i think. [01:08:51] Had they said "monotremes": Sure, shoot me a couple examples. [01:09:38] the toxic shrew [01:10:19] t18n fail. [01:10:19] Wikipedia es un proyecto de la Fundación Wikimedia. ¿Quieres hacer preguntas o comentarios? Puedes escribir a: donate@wikimedia.org [01:10:23] Learn more about local chapters and their projects [01:10:58] Goddam. The Thankyou is actually in spanish. and arrived in several seconds. [01:11:05] mwalker: TY looks good [01:12:36] okay... I have to run off for a while. Might be back later. Might... not. [01:12:46] * K4-713 waves [01:13:20] * awight ignores Drupal security advisory. [01:47:05] K4|wandering: awight: fyi, re paypal and docs and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96572 ; we have a WM Steward who works for paypal. can ask him about fixing some of that (or getting you the good docs if there are better ones) if you like [01:47:41] also, i like your variable names! gross! [01:48:04] jeremyb: heh. I'd settle for the good advance notification when they... change things. [01:49:22] If they have definitive docs regarding their IPN messaging system, that would really help. [01:50:40] Usually we just try to consume whatever they send us, and if we don't know how to normalize it, we either throw it in a "damaged" queue for later examination, or... something chokes on it and my team gets a series of alerts in the middle of the night. [01:51:05] Though, lately? Mostly the former. :) [01:52:02] ok, i'll relay that and see what he says [01:52:08] Thank you! [01:52:32] oh, he's not online :( [01:52:35] * jeremyb will resort to email [01:53:24] (PS1) Adamw: WIP (FR #1144) Damaged queue navigator [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96685 [01:54:20] speaking of damaged... [01:54:30] lol [01:55:02] Always an entertaining way to salt the commit msg ;) [01:56:16] (CR) Adamw: "TODO:" [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96685 (owner: Adamw) [02:01:14] (CR) Adamw: "TODO:" [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96685 (owner: Adamw) [02:07:22] [02:40:31] * Jyothis waves at jeremyb [02:43:02] jeremyb: thanks for sending it in - what is the exact issue? [02:53:27] ohai [02:56:45] > I think there were a multitude of issues. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96572 seems pretty clear to me. (refunds sometimes are positive and sometimes negative even though they're really always positive) Or you want more details about which API they're using, etc.? [02:56:50] > Not sure if we should start a list of bugs or what. Can't pay too much attention to this tonight myself (getting sleepy!) [02:56:58] Jyothis: was writing that as an email reply but didn't send yet [02:57:16] Jyothis: K4-713: discuss! [02:57:22] as you can see awight left [02:58:13] send in all info you have - I am by no means an expert in PP apis, but I will definitley route it to the right groups here [02:58:22] Jyothis: Hello! [02:58:39] hoi [02:58:59] Yes, it would be great if we could have a relatively open channel through which we can send IPN clarification questions. [02:59:15] Well, and other questions. [02:59:27] K4-713: did you reach out to Customer service / Merchant technical service? [02:59:42] Yeah, we usually do that. [02:59:47] this is for foundation acccount, right? [02:59:54] Sure is [02:59:57] Ok [03:00:07] what happened this time? [03:00:45] This particular instance seems to be that we started getting refund notifications in the negative over the weekend. [03:01:00] Ok. thats definitely not right [03:01:01] All previous refunds came in as being a positive amount. [03:01:24] maybe paypal needs a hashar? :) [03:01:28] Ok. is it only for IPN, or are you having issues with other api calls? [03:01:35] or chrismcmahon [03:01:50] jeremyb: join the MTS :D [03:02:05] I think the majority of things very similar to that have been IPN issues. [03:02:24] And, for some reason it seems like we get something newish every couple of weeks lately. [03:02:38] But, it never seems to be every single message, even of a certain type. [03:02:45] Some always get through the old way. [03:03:25] or... they could do API versioning! [03:03:30] :-P [03:03:34] ok, bye [03:03:35] Well, there's another question we have, too... [03:03:51] K4-713: can you do me a favor? [03:03:58] jeremyb: 'bye ! And thanks. :) [03:04:04] Jyothis: Sure. [03:04:07] can you write all these down in an email and send it to my id? [03:04:39] because, if I start translating this chat, it is going to be horrible. [03:05:01] Hah! Sure, no problem. But, probably not tonight. [03:05:29] There's that dinner thing I need to think about soon. :) [03:06:15] Ok, make it sooner though - if there is an issue, we would like to ping the teams responsible to fix [03:06:34] btw, can you atleast send the paypal id to me? [03:06:50] if some one has to research, we need the info [03:07:06] Sure. Just the main email address on the account? [03:07:32] whatever account info you can provide and some example transactions that came that way would help too [03:07:53] We definitely also have some questions regarding old recurring subscriptions and the messages that go with them. We had an old legacy listener address we'd like to never have to worry about again. [03:08:19] for those, Merchant Technical service is still your best bet [03:08:30] they deal with integrations and such. [03:08:40] Yeah... they basically told us there wasn't anything they could do. [03:08:41] I am purely on technology side [03:09:07] ok. email all in, and let me see who can help. [03:09:28] But, we keep asking if we can change the listener URLs out of some weird kind of optimism. Heh. [03:09:49] I'll send you something tomorrow. [03:10:13] Thanks a bunch! [03:10:55] Ok. no problem. [03:11:15] K4-713: Sooner the better, as next week it will be very busy here :) [03:11:23] Oh man, here too. [03:11:37] :) [03:11:39] hahahaha [03:11:56] * Jyothis pats jeremyb - thanks for the ping man [03:12:07] where's santa? [03:12:15] is he on someone's payroll? [03:17:22] K4-713: question - this is still an issue, right? [03:17:43] jeremyb: I think Amazon bought him out [03:17:58] Which? The sign switch on the refund messages? [03:18:01] yes [03:18:13] We're still getting them that way, but we've coded around it. [03:18:21] So, no ongoing issue, really. [03:18:54] ok, you have a work around, but issue still exist [03:19:23] I guess I'm more interested in finding out if it's a mistake, or if it was an intended change. If it was intended, I'm *really* interested in finding out how we can get notified of things that are going to change before we start getting internal alerts. [03:21:02] All right - send in the info tomorrow. I will email it to the team who can route it ti right teams [03:21:56] K4-713: you have my conatc? [03:22:09] contact I mean [03:22:33] Ha, actually I don't. Not sure why I thought I did, either. [03:22:34] Long day. [03:24:09] I'm just khorn@wikimedia.org. Would you email me some good contact information? [03:24:22] Ok. sending. one sec [03:24:39] I will send you my personal id for now. [03:25:23] Sent [03:26:02] please sned as much details as possible. [03:26:06] Got it. Thanks! [03:26:13] I'll be in contact. [03:27:03] I have given a heads up to the team I am part of (we deal with issues) ;) [03:28:00] Thanks! Okay, I'm off for the evening. Nice meeting you, Jyothis. [03:28:19] I'll send some things over tomorrow. :) [03:28:22] * K4-713 waves [11:10:54] (CR) Siebrand: [C: 1] i18n: fix double-space [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95977 (owner: Shirayuki) [18:34:04] (CR) Mwalker: [C: 2] i18n: fix double-space [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95977 (owner: Shirayuki) [18:39:01] (Merged) jenkins-bot: i18n: fix double-space [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/95977 (owner: Shirayuki) [19:53:30] K4-713: > Your system asked me to answer a number of questions immediately after my donation. I tried to answer them but the page with the questions was not activated. I would click my choice of alternatives for each questions, but nothing happened. [19:53:46] jvandavier: ^ [19:53:50] no the-wub huh [19:54:00] anyone know what they're talking about? [19:54:04] 2013112110014632 [19:54:07] jeremyb: probably the survey [19:54:19] jvandavier: can you take the ticket? [19:54:25] yeah, 1 sec [19:54:45] unlocked it then [19:55:19] o hai [19:55:26] Yeah, sounds like a survey on the TY page... [19:55:36] meganhernandez: ^ [19:55:48] it might be the Chrome issue I emailed the-sub about...last week [19:55:57] not much we can do except ask them to use another browswe [19:56:03] *browser, even [19:59:41] hi folks [20:00:09] meganhernandez requested an update on the site issue today, I thought I'd join here to do this more interactively [20:00:18] since we're lacking many details anyway [20:02:57] Hi paravoid, thank you. Actually I was hoping for just a recap so my whole team can be looped in. Would you mind sending some details in an email? Were the banners the cause? What were the outage times and locations (US only, worldwide, etc)? Any times we should expect bad data from banner tests? [20:03:12] ok, sending [20:03:13] our team was mostly remote this morning so an email update would help make sure we're all on the same page [20:03:17] TY! [20:04:05] (PS1) Adamw: Stomp readTimeout actually does anything [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96818 [20:04:39] K4-713: ^^. [20:05:05] mwalker: May be of interest, we were talking about the the other day... ^^ [20:05:29] awight: Will look after food is handled. [20:05:50] that froddam timeout has really gotten me on edge [20:06:39] why in the bally hell are there two values... a second and a millsecond... [20:06:48] (PS1) Adamw: API for peeking at head messages in a queue [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96820 [20:07:00] mwalker: i should have torn that out while slashing. [20:26:27] (PS2) Adamw: (FR #1144) Damaged queue navigator [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96685 [20:30:10] @wm-bot: fucking rss on [20:40:17] @rss-on [20:40:17] Rss feed has been enabled on channel [20:40:30] False [20:40:30] False [20:40:31] False [20:40:32] False [20:40:33] False [20:40:34] False [20:40:34] False [20:40:35] False [20:40:36] HAH [20:40:36] False [20:40:37] False [20:40:38] False [20:40:38] False [20:40:39] False [20:40:40] False [20:40:41] False [20:40:41] @rss-off [20:40:42] Rss feed has been disabled on channel [20:40:42] False [20:40:43] False [20:40:44] False [20:40:45] False [20:40:46] False [20:40:46] False [20:40:47] [mingle] Tech Task #1193 Rejected message must always be annotated with the original error changed by Adam Wight: Tech Status changed from In Development to Pending Code Review,Moved to Pending Code Review on se... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1193?version=6 [20:40:48] [mingle] Tech Task #1193 Rejected message must always be annotated with the original error changed by Adam Wight: Tech Status changed from Pending Code Review to Pending Deployment,Moved to Ready to Deploy on se... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1193?version=7 [20:40:49] [mingle] Tech Task #1183 Some paypal refunds come in with negative amounts changed by Adam Wight: Tech Status changed from Pending Code Review to Pending Deployment,Moved to Ready to Deploy on se... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1183?version=7 [20:40:50] [mingle] Tech Task #1194 Security update to Drupal: -> 7.24 created by Adam Wight: Owner set to Adam Wight,Tech Status set to Backlog,Estimate set to 1,Priority set to Must Have,Te... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1194?version=1 [20:40:50] [mingle] Tech Task #1194 Security update to Drupal: -> 7.24 changed by Adam Wight: Planning - Sprint set to #1191 Sprint 36 - Nearly Go Time,Added to Sprint set to 2013/11/20 https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1194?version=2 [20:40:51] [mingle] Tech Task #988 thank_you (email) is missing base translations when locales are present: e.g. "es" and "zh" changed by Adam Wight: Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/988?version=25 [20:40:52] [mingle] Business Capability #1195 Allow donations with Carte Blue created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability,Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1195?version=1 [20:40:53] [mingle] Business Capability #1196 Allow donations with Carte Bancaire created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability,Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1196?version=1 [20:40:54] [mingle] Business Capability #1197 Allow Donations by Bank Transfer created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability,Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1197?version=1 [20:40:54] [mingle] Business Capability #1198 Translate French banners for France created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1198?version=1 [20:40:55] [mingle] Business Capability #1199 Translate responses from French donors created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1199?version=1 [20:40:56] [mingle] Business Capability #1200 Share known issues with donations created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1200?version=1 [20:40:57] [mingle] Business Capability #1201 Build survey specific for France created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1201?version=1 [20:40:58] [mingle] Business Capability #1202 Designer Banner experiments created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1202?version=1 [20:40:58] [mingle] Business Capability #1203 Record French campaign information created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability,Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1203?version=1 [20:40:59] [mingle] Tech Task #1144 Rejected message queue navigator changed by Adam Wight: Tech Status changed from In Development to Pending Code Review,Moved to Pending Code Review on se... https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1144?version=8 [20:41:00] [mingle] Business Capability #1204 Allow Recurring donations for Carte Blue/Carte Bancaire created by Pats: Type set to Business Capability https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1204?version=1 [20:41:01] [mingle] Tech Task #1144 Rejected message queue navigator changed by Adam Wight: Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1144?version=9 [20:41:02] [mingle] Tech Task #1144 Rejected message queue navigator changed by Adam Wight: Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1144?version=10 [20:41:02] [mingle] Business Capability #1195 Allow donations with Carte Blue changed by Pats: Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1195?version=2 [20:41:03] [mingle] Business Capability #1196 Allow donations with Carte Bancaire changed by Pats: Description changed https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1196?version=2