[00:00:00] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Have you been hearing anything from donors that might mean that the credit card error page isn't working? I can't tell if what I'm seeing in the logs is just one person trying to pull a fast one, or if we possibly have a problem.
[00:00:30] <K4-713>	 I mean, it seems like it's just one person.
[00:01:23] <ccogdill>	 nothing unusual at all K4-713
[00:01:57] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Thanks for looking. Please let me know if you start seeing evidence to the contrary. :)
[00:02:53] <ccogdill>	 of course
[00:02:57] <atgo>	 K4-713 awight pizzzacat need any other quesitons answered from me?
[00:04:40] <K4-713>	 atgo-home: : At 5pm, I certainly hope not.
[00:05:56] <K4-713>	 awight: How's that database export thingy?
[00:06:09] <K4-713>	 ...oh, ha.
[00:06:30] * K4-713 turns brain tuner
[00:31:52] <K4-713>	 awight: ...when I run this email thingy in the AM, this is possibly going to clog queue consumption for over an hour, isn't it?
[01:19:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: WIP (FR #1703) make banner hide cookie more forward-compatible [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143232
[05:20:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: Prepare to undo source revision fetching hardcode foo [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143245
[07:05:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: WIP Expose parsing without side-effects [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143249
[07:30:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Awight: WIP Expose parsing without side-effects [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143249
[07:34:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS3) Awight: WIP Expose parsing without side-effects [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143249
[08:00:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS4) Awight: WIP Expose parsing without side-effects [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143249
[11:17:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Siebrand: [C: -1] "Doesn't merge. Needs review of the FR folks." [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142616 (owner: Jforrester)
[16:43:40] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Good morning!
[16:43:51] <ccogdill>	 morning!
[16:44:11] <K4-713>	 So, in reading those emails about the emails... are we not sending a round today?
[16:45:12] <K4-713>	 Or, should I proceed with the 10am list cutting like we talked about last night?
[16:45:25] <ccogdill>	 yeah it sounds like we’re not sending today
[16:45:32] <ccogdill>	 we should still cut the list
[16:45:39] <ccogdill>	 because we want to be able to estimate list size
[16:45:50] <ccogdill>	 but I can do that manually if this is a time suck
[16:46:00] <K4-713>	 Nah, it's no problem. I can do it now anyway.
[16:46:09] <ccogdill>	 okay awesome
[16:46:10] <ccogdill>	 thank you :)
[16:46:12] <K4-713>	 It's honestly just one button I press.
[16:46:27] <ccogdill>	 haha okay whew
[16:46:57] <K4-713>	 (the trick is, as usual, pushing the correct button. :p  )
[16:48:16] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Button pushed. Now we wait for, like, an hour or so.
[16:48:35] <ccogdill>	 yeeep
[16:48:48] <ccogdill>	 does it let you know when it’s done?
[16:48:54] <K4-713>	 Not really.
[16:49:04] <K4-713>	 I mean, you can watch the job...
[16:49:11] <K4-713>	 ...but there's no *ding* if that's what you mean.
[16:49:47] <ccogdill>	 mm okay
[16:49:56] <ccogdill>	 it sends me an email when I do it manually so I wasn’t sure
[16:50:00] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Can we find out if it uploaded like it should be doing, when we tried this last night?
[16:50:05] <K4-713>	 Or, did you already check?
[16:50:24] <ccogdill>	 I’m waiting to hear back from Peter to see if he can show me where he looks to confirm
[16:50:27] <ccogdill>	 because I’m not positive
[17:46:10] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: The job finished when I wasn't looking directly at it.
[17:46:49] <K4-713>	 So, if everything worked, you shouldn't have to do anything at this point... aside from find out if it really worked or not.
[17:46:51] <K4-713>	 :)
[17:52:30] <ccogdill>	 thanks K4-713! I’ll email Peter/Eric again and see if one of them can help me confirm
[18:14:05] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Have you seen any complaints about rtbt recently?
[18:14:17] <ccogdill>	 rtbt?
[18:14:21] <ccogdill>	 is that bank transfer?
[18:14:24] <K4-713>	 Realtime bank transfer.
[18:14:28] <ccogdill>	 yep
[18:14:32] <ccogdill>	 I’m actually sending an email now
[18:14:35] <K4-713>	 ...orly.
[18:14:39] <K4-713>	 Just the one?
[18:14:39] <ccogdill>	 well
[18:14:55] <ccogdill>	 I mean an email to fr-tech and creative
[18:15:16] <K4-713>	 Ah.
[18:15:21] <ccogdill>	 it was hard to tell from zendesk tickets if there was an issue so I tested the workflow. the first time I went through it I couldn’t get past the address page
[18:15:31] <ccogdill>	 then I tried again and was sent to the correct page
[18:16:03] <ccogdill>	 looked in GC and we’ve had 18 other transactions fail in the same way my 1st attempt did today
[18:16:11] <ccogdill>	 (BT transactions, that is)
[18:16:40] <ccogdill>	 anyway I’ll email with some fun screenshots in a minute :)
[18:16:43] <K4-713>	 Can you tell how long people have been reporting this?
[18:17:08] <ccogdill>	 there were a couple confused BT tickets yesterday morning
[18:17:20] <ccogdill>	 we just sent them our normal Japan BT info
[18:18:18] <K4-713>	 Okay. In the future, I'd rather get a quick ping on IRC when you think you see something wrong, before a complete and thorough report goes out to the list.
[18:18:29] <K4-713>	 Sometimes (like this) it's pretty clear on the backend what's going on.
[18:18:44] <ccogdill>	 there were only 1-2 tickets yesterday, and we get BT info requests all the time
[18:18:50] <ccogdill>	 that’s all they really seemed like yesterday :/
[18:19:04] <ccogdill>	 but when I saw more today, it was testing it myself that let me know there was a problem
[18:19:05] <K4-713>	 Turning on 100% campaigns does tend to make things shake out, yes. :)
[18:19:09] <ccogdill>	 haha yep
[19:12:51] <K4-713>	 ejegg: You around for a relative sanity check?
[19:21:53] <ejegg>	 K4: yep, sorry, was on the phone
[19:23:24] <atgo>	 pizzzacat1 - K4-713  and i are thinking about noms
[19:23:31] <atgo>	 ejegg you can come, too :P
[19:23:39] <ejegg>	 aww
[19:24:03] <K4-713>	 hehe
[19:24:05] <ejegg>	 I think K4 wanted me to look at something - maybe the Japan BT fix
[19:24:35] <K4-713>	 Yeah... I got stuck, though, because the thing I found & "fixed" seems to be all about iDeal, and... JP should have nothing to do with that.
[19:24:42] <ejegg>	 dang
[19:24:52] <K4-713>	 Oh well. I can do another one in the same style after lunch or something.
[19:25:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Katie Horn: RTBT: Fixed some issues with the form template for iDeal. [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143380
[19:25:26] <K4-713>	 ejegg: There's the thing I did. It's got a test and everything.
[19:25:36] <ejegg>	 rockin!  I'll take a look
[19:25:43] <K4-713>	 ...and TODOs for a real solution. :/
[19:27:52] <ejegg>	 woohoo, parsing HTML with regexes!  (...as if I've never done that...)
[19:57:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] "Looks good for immediate purposes. Also, nicely translated '123 Fake Street'" [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143380 (owner: Katie Horn)
[19:57:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: RTBT: Fixed some issues with the form template for iDeal. [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143380 (owner: Katie Horn)
[20:43:55] <atgo>	 K4-7131 what "tech area" would a jenkins job land in?
[20:48:45] <K4-713>	 atgo: Depends on the job.
[20:50:25] <atgo>	 K4-713 non urgently, https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1755
[20:50:42] <atgo>	 i can also pitch this back to adam tomorrow
[20:52:00] <K4-713>	 Huh. Yeah...
[20:52:12] <K4-713>	 I'm eyeball-deep in mist-haves already.
[20:52:15] <K4-713>	 Er.
[20:52:17] <K4-713>	 Must-haves.
[20:52:50] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Do you know which specific version of rtbt Japan is using, off the top of your head?
[20:52:55] <K4-713>	 Or, does this have nothing to do with that?
[20:53:11] <ccogdill>	 umm I don’t know
[20:53:15] <K4-713>	 ...not to alter the results or anything, but the latter would make a ton more sense.
[20:53:15] <ccogdill>	 would PPena know?
[20:53:37] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Well, to start with: who was complaining about rtbt this morning?
[20:54:00] <ccogdill>	 that’s the thing… it’s hard to say if the JP tickets are really complaints or not
[20:54:12] <PPena>	 K4-713 what we are doing in Japan is offline BT and not RTBT (rtbt=real time bank tranfer)
[20:54:13] <ccogdill>	 a lot just say that forgot the reference number and ask us for it
[20:54:14] <K4-713>	 But, there *is* rtbt in Japan, yes?
[20:54:20] <K4-713>	 Oh.
[20:54:31] <PPena>	 K4-713 abou the 'version'… not sure they they have versions for BT
[20:54:41] <PPena>	 they just provide the bank account # as a hosted page
[20:54:52] <K4-713>	 For rtbt, there's ideal... some other ones...
[20:54:53] <PPena>	 there is not a rtbt in japan
[20:55:01] <K4-713>	 hum.
[20:55:03] <PPena>	 K4-713 yeah but not in japan
[20:55:12] <PPena>	 rtbt is only IDEAL and Sofort
[20:55:16] <PPena>	 curretly
[20:55:39] <K4-713>	 I thought I had more enabled.
[20:56:11] <PPena>	 this BT is just like all those OFFLINE BTs we did in 2012 with GC
[20:56:16] <PPena>	 and we disabled them all later
[20:56:18] <PPena>	 all offline
[20:57:37] <K4-713>	 PPena: I also have "enets" enabled, whatever that is.
[20:57:46] <K4-713>	 SG?
[20:58:08] <PPena>	 yeah
[20:58:50] <PPena>	 yep ur right Enets is RTBT
[21:04:23] <ejegg>	 K4: is there anything else you need right now?  I'm about to head out, but will join the standup/hangout from my phone.
[21:04:42] <K4-713>	 ejegg: I don't think I can get into too much more trouble today.
[21:04:47] <K4-713>	 Thanks for checking. :)
[21:05:00] <ejegg>	 good luck with the bank transfers!
[21:07:22] <atgo>	 K4-713 don't jinx yourself there :P
[21:08:56] <K4-713>	 cc[tab]... d'oh.
[21:09:13] <K4-713>	 atgo: I have something silly to tell you.
[21:09:23] <atgo>	 .... oh?
[21:09:24] <K4-713>	 Well, a couple things, actually.
[21:09:46] <K4-713>	 #1 - The problem I solved, appears to have nothing to do with the issues ccogdill was seeing this morning.
[21:10:14] * atgo facepalms
[21:10:16] <K4-713>	 #2 - The issues ccogdill saw this morning, may have nothing to do with anything: It looks like we timed out trying to talk to GC a couple times.
[21:10:18] <atgo>	 but good for fixing things
[21:10:24] <atgo>	 hm. that's weird.
[21:10:29] <atgo>	 is that on their side...?
[21:10:44] <K4-713>	 That... is them not responding to our requests in a timely fashion.
[21:11:09] <K4-713>	 Which would explain why some people said it just worked on a refresh.
[21:11:14] <atgo>	 hm. yeah that does make sense
[21:11:24] <atgo>	 it doesn't explain the weird behavior in the browser that cc was experiencing though
[21:11:33] <K4-713>	 It doesn't?
[21:11:35] <K4-713>	 What were they seeing?
[21:11:36] <atgo>	 well... maybe it does
[21:11:46] <K4-713>	 Was it the total lack of iframe content?
[21:11:48] <atgo>	 here's what we saw on her machine
[21:11:51] <atgo>	 step 1 - banner
[21:12:05] <atgo>	 step 2 - LP1 with email + name only, hit continue
[21:12:17] <atgo>	 step 3 - LP with email, name, address
[21:12:17] <K4-713>	 (That's LP2, but go on)
[21:12:20] <atgo>	 shit.
[21:12:23] <atgo>	 i need a glossary.
[21:12:35] <K4-713>	 LP1 only happens on donate wiki or in banners.
[21:12:40] <K4-713>	 LP2 = payments.wikimedia.org
[21:12:41] <atgo>	 step 4 - back to SP with email, name, address
[21:12:44] <atgo>	 oooh gotcha
[21:12:55] <K4-713>	 SP?
[21:13:05] <atgo>	 so... anyway, then it was LP2 (small) > LP2 (large) > LP2 (large) forever
[21:13:08] <atgo>	 sorry... typo
[21:13:13] <atgo>	 really. really. bad typo
[21:13:24] <atgo>	 my hands got mixed up as to which was which or somethig :P
[21:13:28] <K4-713>	 That's on the other side of the aeyboard.
[21:13:39] <atgo>	 yeah. umm..
[21:13:45] <atgo>	 i have no explanation for that.
[21:14:02] <atgo>	 but
[21:14:19] <K4-713>	 Large Forever, huh?
[21:14:28] <atgo>	 sigh
[21:14:35] <atgo>	 yes
[21:14:37] <atgo>	 that's what i'm getting at
[21:14:49] <atgo>	 so i don't know if that was some weird thing that we were doing on our side when we got the GC timeout?
[21:14:55] <K4-713>	 nah
[21:15:05] <K4-713>	 That happens totally independent of what we're doing.
[21:15:25] <K4-713>	 Usually timeouts trigger some kind of hard stop.
[21:15:44] <K4-713>	 Where is this CC issue happening?
[21:16:26] <atgo>	 it's not CC
[21:16:31] <atgo>	 it was through the BT flow
[21:16:44] <K4-713>	 OH.
[21:16:51] <K4-713>	 "cc" as in Caitlin.
[21:16:59] <atgo>	 ooooh haha yeah sorry... i hit tab but then.. she wasn't here
[21:18:04] <K4-713>	 I *just* tested the BT workflow for JP and didn't get anything str... wait. I'm checking server logs for it being a different member of the cluster.
[21:18:12] <atgo>	 oooh good thinking
[21:18:12] <K4-713>	 Though, we're all in the office, so...
[21:18:18] <K4-713>	 Eh.
[21:18:18] <atgo>	 it did that for caitlin a few times and then worked later
[21:18:23] <K4-713>	 wt...
[21:18:29] <atgo>	 yeah in a new tab
[21:18:31] <atgo>	 it was weird
[21:18:36] <K4-713>	 She used her own email address, right?
[21:18:47] <atgo>	 i think so
[21:18:57] * K4-713 disappears into server logs
[21:19:01] <atgo>	 she's not at her desk (but her laptop is) so i imagine she'll be back and i'll grab her
[21:19:44] <K4-713>	 Don't worry about it. I got it.
[21:22:40] <K4-713>	 atgo: Uhm. One of them is trying to do a US-based BT, and the other is JP.
[21:23:55] <K4-713>	 Dunno why it would change the country from JP to US and back again.
[21:24:06] <K4-713>	 I may have clues, though...
[21:24:25] <atgo>	 hmmm
[21:26:13] <atgo>	 i'm going to meet you guys in the collab space for standup in 7 min
[21:26:15] <atgo>	 wooo collab
[21:26:34] <K4-713>	 Isn't it 2:30 now?
[21:26:43] <K4-713>	 That's 4 minutes.
[21:27:10] <K4-713>	 Oh, no... 2:33. My bad. :D
[21:56:53] <atgo>	 K4-713 420060 . 430900 .
[21:57:17] <K4-713>	 atgo: Woot, thanks.
[21:57:26] <K4-713>	 I'll see what I can... tease out.  :/
[21:58:35] <K4-713>	 ...45.
[21:58:39] <K4-713>	 45 total.
[21:59:00] <K4-713>	 Between the two of those.
[21:59:52] <K4-713>	 atgo: And of those 45, most of them are people reloading 5+ times.
[22:00:07] <atgo>	 K4-713 it looks like they're all redundant.. as in they all have both codes
[22:00:26] <K4-713>	 I'll know that in a minute...
[22:00:50] <atgo>	 well from GC that's how it looks
[22:00:51] <K4-713>	 atgo: So, I'm thinking we leave it right where it is and try to repro... whatever the heck they were doing.
[22:01:10] <atgo>	 i mean even if it's only 45, it looks like there are, what, 450 total?
[22:01:15] <atgo>	 or am i way off...
[22:01:25] <K4-713>	 hm.
[22:01:41] <atgo>	 (trying to figure out this console is hard)
[22:01:45] <K4-713>	 539
[22:02:40] <K4-713>	 atgo: But it's important to note that my 539 has no repeats on initial success.
[22:03:00] <K4-713>	 1% or something.
[22:03:03] <atgo>	 hm?
[22:03:05] <atgo>	 what does that mean?
[22:03:15] <K4-713>	 I have 539 transaction endpoints.
[22:03:21] <K4-713>	 ...for bank transfer, today.
[22:03:55] <K4-713>	 45 are failures, but the majority of those failures represent one individual trying over 5 times.
[22:04:19] <K4-713>	 Successes only get one, and are not inflated.
[22:04:26] <K4-713>	 So, this is a small population.
[22:04:35] <atgo>	 right
[22:05:11] <atgo>	 hm
[22:05:48] <atgo>	 i wish caitlin was around
[22:06:09] <K4-713>	 Suspiciously, most of the error messages I'm seeing in the logs for the failures, are rendered in english...
[22:06:18] <K4-713>	 ...which tells me it might have been mostly us.
[22:06:27] <atgo>	 hahahaha
[22:06:44] <atgo>	 looks like peter took BT down anyway
[22:06:53] <K4-713>	 ...when?
[22:06:57] <atgo>	 don't know
[22:07:01] <atgo>	 oh.. ju8st kidding
[22:07:06] <atgo>	 i clicked a banner without it
[22:07:54] <K4-713>	 Yeah, don't take it down. This may only have happened to a couple people.
[22:08:05] <atgo>	 ok so. i just went through it twice as me just fine
[22:08:23] * K4-713 nods
[22:08:25] <atgo>	 3x... it starts doing something weird
[22:08:38] <atgo>	 and i'm goign to stop so that i don't screw up the results too badly :P
[22:08:40] * K4-713 coughs
[22:08:50] <atgo>	 still gets through
[22:09:02] <K4-713>	 "something weird"
[22:09:10] <atgo>	 had to hit continue twice
[22:09:25] <K4-713>	 atgo: Oh, you shouldn't be able to do that.
[22:09:34] <atgo>	 but by and large it's fine
[22:09:52] <atgo>	 yes i know.. but i can't reproduce
[22:09:53] <K4-713>	 That also sounds like good old GC lag.
[22:10:16] <atgo>	 ok i found the problem.
[22:10:22] * atgo wins
[22:10:25] <K4-713>	 Because, we're waiting for them to get back to us. Why that button doesn't disable is... an infuriating question.
[22:10:39] <K4-713>	 ...found the problem?
[22:10:39] <atgo>	 so it's when you get to short LP and then the country goes to US
[22:10:40] <atgo>	 reproduced
[22:10:46] <atgo>	 check the logs for me
[22:10:47] <K4-713>	 ...
[22:11:02] <atgo>	 literal identical behavior to what i saw on caitlin's
[22:11:05] <K4-713>	 What do you mean, the country goes to US?
[22:11:12] <atgo>	 so i'm in LP2 (short)
[22:11:17] <atgo>	 and then i change the dropdown from Japan to US
[22:11:20] <K4-713>	 Wait 1.
[22:11:25] <atgo>	 then it sends me to the long one, and then i cycle there
[22:11:30] <K4-713>	 Do you have a "ffname" in your URL?
[22:11:41] <atgo>	 ffname=bt
[22:11:51] <K4-713>	 You... changed the dropdown, deliberately?
[22:11:57] <atgo>	 yeah to see if i could reproduce
[22:12:07] <atgo>	 so maybe caitlin did that
[22:12:17] <K4-713>	 but why.
[22:12:19] <atgo>	 or could that be something that her browser did?
[22:12:23] <atgo>	 well..
[22:12:25] <atgo>	 i don'tk now
[22:12:41] <atgo>	 are you crying or laughing?
[22:13:04] <K4-713>	 I don't even know.
[22:13:10] <pizzzacat>	 haha
[22:13:34] <atgo>	 however, it's still a not-great experience
[22:13:56] <atgo>	 woah
[22:13:56] <K4-713>	 Good thing I hired a frontend engineer.
[22:14:05] <atgo>	 so now.. it looks like it sent me to a CC flow
[22:14:13] <atgo>	 if i look in the GC console
[22:14:27] <K4-713>	 uh.
[22:14:32] <atgo>	 i have a couple of rejected BT and then a rejected MasterCard Online transaction
[22:14:45] <atgo>	 with this rejection code
[22:14:46] <atgo>	 430415 .
[22:16:08] <atgo>	 for $3 USD
[22:16:09] <K4-713>	 One of those forms it gave you was a cc form.
[22:16:12] <atgo>	 so something weird is happening there
[22:16:20] <atgo>	 but then it also gets me stuck
[22:16:39] <atgo>	 the error message is "SECURITY_VIOLATION"
[22:16:52] <atgo>	 so apparently we sent me somewhere sketchy :P
[22:17:39] <atgo>	 caitlin's attemps are the same in GC
[22:17:53] <K4-713>	 ...the heck you say.
[22:18:03] <atgo>	 want to see GC's stuff?
[22:18:29] <atgo>	 so once we send people to the CC form, it's not in a way that makes sense
[22:18:33] <K4-713>	 That OID you sent me isn't in the logs.
[22:18:36] <atgo>	 what?
[22:19:03] <atgo>	 that's...w hat it says
[22:19:11] <atgo>	 what's the last OID you have from me?
[22:19:24] <K4-713>	 I don't know. Kind of a lot just happened.
[22:19:34] <atgo>	 mmk
[22:21:28] <atgo>	 hey meganhernandez ... how many BT attempts did you make today?
[22:21:39] <atgo>	 ish?
[22:22:00] <atgo>	 K4-713 don't rage too hard
[22:22:13] <atgo>	 every reject i'm looking at seems to be... us
[22:22:14] <K4-713>	 atgo: Twelve.
[22:22:16] <K4-713>	 ...for megan.
[22:22:21] <atgo>	 ... yeah...
[22:22:28] <atgo>	 these are all us
[22:22:29] <K4-713>	 I'm telling you: Email is easy.
[22:22:50] <atgo>	 actually though. every one of these is ius
[22:22:59] <K4-713>	 Okay. I'm going to request a moment of calm during which I look at the one that looks legit.
[22:24:11] <atgo>	 i bet he/she did the same thing
[22:25:22] <atgo>	 country code IN
[22:25:54] <atgo>	 K4-713 ^
[22:26:22] <K4-713>	 atgo: I have an idea.
[22:26:52] <K4-713>	 How about we alter this form so it stops letting you try to perform nonsense?
[22:27:11] <atgo>	 yup
[22:27:25] <atgo>	 i mean, alternatively it's literally 1 person who's done this
[22:27:31] <K4-713>	 I... honestly have no idea why there is a country dropdown on there that lets you pick countries THAT DO NOT SUPPORT THE CURRENCY YOU CAN'T CHANGE AT THIS STAGE.
[22:27:38] <atgo>	 i'm hesitant to lose more time on this.
[22:27:42] <atgo>	 yeah. that does make no sense
[22:27:54] <K4-713>	 Sorry... I'm yelling at the past.
[22:28:04] <atgo>	 i get it
[22:28:25] <K4-713>	 Also, we have dealt with this much more intelligently on other forms.
[22:28:34] <atgo>	 so... in the future, any time we have an issue, we should eliminate all of our team's testing transactions from the count
[22:28:36] <atgo>	 like... immediately
[22:29:04] <K4-713>	 Like, there's a mechanism that removes inappropriate choices from dropdowns.
[22:29:11] <atgo>	 yeah that should definitely be happening
[22:29:46] <atgo>	 however, this is literally 1 person who made this mistake. i get that it's not an ideal experience, but that 1 person....
[22:29:55] <K4-713>	 There was a card in the backlog... don't know if it survived, that was saying we should reload the page when you pick something that changes everything in a dorpdown.
[22:30:34] <K4-713>	 Last time we tried to get that work on the board, they just took out the dropdown that was bothering me.
[22:31:02] <K4-713>	 ...heh. "Dorpdown"
[22:31:10] <K4-713>	 More like derpdown.
[22:31:13] <atgo>	 hehehe
[22:32:04] * K4-713 sighs
[22:32:32] <K4-713>	 What if I spend 30 minutes looking for the thing that takes things out of other things, and see if I can use it here?
[22:33:35] <atgo>	 yeah alright sounds good
[22:35:27] <K4-713>	 atgo: Please remind me to rant about testing at the next retro.
[22:35:34] <atgo>	 ... tomorrow?
[22:35:38] <K4-713>	 Sure.
[22:35:45] <K4-713>	 It'll be fresh.
[22:35:48] <K4-713>	 heh
[22:40:14] <atgo>	 lmk when/if you find a fix (or abandon fixing) and i'll send out this recap email i've got drafted.
[22:41:29] <K4-713>	 atgo: Yeah, I found the thing I was thinking of, and it's not an easy fix.
[22:41:35] <atgo>	 ok. let's not
[22:41:48] <K4-713>	 I mean, we could always whack the dropdown entirely.
[22:42:08] <atgo>	 i mean, it's 1 person of like.. 500
[22:42:12] <atgo>	 that actually tried to do this
[22:42:19] <K4-713>	 If we don't, though, we have to maintain a list of all the country/currency combinations that GC has enabled for us, for BT.
[22:42:22] <atgo>	 yes, ideally we would do that, but will it paint us into some corner later?
[22:42:42] <K4-713>	 Actually, I don't think that's ideal at all.
[22:42:52] <K4-713>	 If they enable something for us, we should be smart enough to notice.
[22:43:20] <atgo>	 well.. i mean ideally we would have something smart on our forms that said "there's only one thign in this dropdown, don't display the dropdown" in general
[22:43:24] <atgo>	 because.. that's a silly usage of a dropdown
[22:43:30] <K4-713>	 The longer fix is to have better error messaging when we get something back in that long series of errors.
[22:43:46] <K4-713>	 Or, you know... a specific translated message on an error page.
[22:43:56] <atgo>	 is there anything we can do that won't kick them over into mastercard flow?
[22:44:03] <atgo>	 i mean, really any error
[22:44:06] <atgo>	 would be a good thing
[22:44:12] <atgo>	 compared to what we have :P
[22:44:16] <K4-713>	 Actually, I have no idea why that went all credit card on you. That is a legit mystery.
[22:44:21] <K4-713>	 Did you see a cc form?
[22:44:31] <atgo>	 it gave me the long LP2
[22:44:59] <K4-713>	 You never saw a cc form, but they say you went into a cc workflow at some point?
[22:45:08] <atgo>	 yeah in the GC console it has a rejection at mastercard
[22:45:09] <atgo>	 hang on
[22:45:15] <K4-713>	 They could *also* have a bug, y'know.
[22:45:21] <atgo>	 what?! madness.
[22:45:35] <K4-713>	 Particularly when you do deliberately strange things.
[22:45:56] <atgo>	 haha yeah
[22:45:59] <atgo>	 it didn't do that to the other person
[22:46:02] <atgo>	 so.. whatevs.
[22:46:14] <atgo>	 but it did to caitlin
[22:46:17] <atgo>	 it's just the US people
[22:47:17] <atgo>	 whatever. this is not worth more time
[22:47:30] <atgo>	 if it surfaces again, absolutely
[22:47:36] <atgo>	 but as is i think we should move on with our lives :)
[22:58:41] <atgo>	 aaand then i locked myself out of the floor.
[23:05:57] <K4-713>	 oops.
[23:06:19] <K4-713>	 atgo: ...I think I need to WFH some day this week so I can get back to SEPA.
[23:06:34] <K4-713>	 Otherwise somebody will chase me up a tree and set fire to it.
[23:07:22] <atgo>	 whatever you need to do
[23:07:40] <atgo>	 tomorrow woudl be the only day... because thursday is metrics and friday is fireworks
[23:07:58] <K4-713>	 Shooooooooooo.
[23:08:10] <K4-713>	 Well, never mind.
[23:33:32] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Katie Horn: Submit form when return is pressed [extensions/DonationInterface] (deploy-payments_1.22) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143512
[23:33:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Katie Horn: Fix expiration date message translation [extensions/DonationInterface] (deploy-payments_1.22) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143513
[23:33:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Katie Horn: RTBT: Fixed some issues with the form template for iDeal. [extensions/DonationInterface] (deploy-payments_1.22) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143514
[23:34:31] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Katie Horn: [C: 2] "+2 for Deploy" [extensions/DonationInterface] (deploy-payments_1.22) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143512 (owner: Katie Horn)
[23:34:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Katie Horn: [C: 2] "+2 for Deploy" [extensions/DonationInterface] (deploy-payments_1.22) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143513 (owner: Katie Horn)
[23:34:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Katie Horn: [C: 2] "+2 for Deploy" [extensions/DonationInterface] (deploy-payments_1.22) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143514 (owner: Katie Horn)
[23:49:11] <K4-713>	 !log updated payments cluster to c5689f385b2f0a7
[23:49:15] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master