[00:01:26] <AndyRussG>	 I don't immediately see the reason for archiving not getting logged. Just remembering that the non-logging that I'd noticed earlier had to do with banner content and messages I think
[00:01:36] <ccogdill>	 did you see my reply to your email on 8/20?
[00:02:42] <totten_>	 eileen: it's perfectly legitimate to define/test/maintain "application programming interfaces" for JS-widgets, Smarty-functions, etc (ie things besides "civicrm_api()"). we shouldn't do it willy-nilly, but if the goal is really to produce an embeddable widget, then JS might make more sense than civicrm_api.
[00:04:02] <jeremyb>	 ccogdill, yes. but the easiest way to give more context is for you to log in :)
[00:04:19] <jeremyb>	 (or CaitlinVirtue_)
[00:04:28] <ccogdill>	 I guess I’m not sure what else to do differently besides what I tried last week
[00:04:40] <jeremyb>	 well i'll get someone to send you passwords
[00:04:53] <ccogdill>	 this is probably a question for Caitlin V but I can rule myself out if I see the original question
[00:04:57] <ccogdill>	 okay great
[00:04:58] <ccogdill>	 thanks!
[00:06:00] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS11) Awight: WIP (FR #1855) Refactor import hook to lower level [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/153376
[00:06:02] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS1) Awight: lint fixup and comment [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156216
[00:06:04] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS1) Awight: Mock mailer implementation for testing [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156217
[00:06:06] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS1) Awight: Push template path strategy into a shared function [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156218
[00:06:08] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS1) Awight: Make custom values on new contributions available to hooks [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156219
[00:17:03] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS1) Ssmith: add db modeling [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156220
[00:17:05] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] add db modeling [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156220 (owner: Ssmith)
[00:17:29] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS2) Ssmith: add db modeling [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156220
[00:19:15] <awight>	 pizzzacat: hey before going too far down that path, can you fix the craziness in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/156187/2
[00:20:13] <grrrit-wm1>	 (Abandoned) Ssmith: Fix config file madness [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156187 (owner: Ssmith)
[00:27:15] <jeremyb>	 gah, missed her i guess
[00:27:20] <jeremyb>	 ccogdill, you both should have mail
[00:27:35] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS3) Ssmith: add db modeling [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156220
[00:27:37] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] add db modeling [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156220 (owner: Ssmith)
[00:27:48] <ccogdill>	 she’s not experienced using IRC. I emailed her about it
[00:27:52] <ccogdill>	 thanks jeremyb!
[00:28:45] <jeremyb>	 ok
[00:28:58] <jeremyb>	 idk if they expire or what but should at least still work tomorrow morning
[00:29:09] <ccogdill>	 okay
[00:29:15] <ccogdill>	 can I bother you for the link to login?
[00:29:26] <ccogdill>	 I can’t find it on office.wiki for some reason… :D
[00:29:54] <jeremyb>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/rt:
[00:30:06] <ccogdill>	 ah, that was more obvious than I thought
[00:30:07] <ccogdill>	 thanks again
[00:30:16] <jeremyb>	 heh :)
[00:30:34] <ccogdill>	 hmm…. didn’t work actually
[00:30:55] <jeremyb>	 try both ccogdill and also ccogdill@wikimedia.org ?
[00:31:01] <jeremyb>	 i think it's the latter
[00:31:24] <ccogdill>	 that was it
[00:31:26] <ccogdill>	 thank yoU!
[00:31:56] <jeremyb>	 ok, so now can you see https://rt.wikimedia.org/SelfService/Display.html?id=6596 ?
[00:32:20] <ccogdill>	 yep;
[00:32:43] <jeremyb>	 be sure to click on the "show quoted text" link to unhide the original message at the top that was forwarded in
[00:33:00] <ccogdill>	 hah, thats helpful
[00:33:07] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS4) Ssmith: add db modeling [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156220
[00:37:40] <ccogdill>	 okay jeremyb, so reading through this it sounds like Sara was a little confused, but your/mwalker’s conclusions make sense to me
[00:37:53] <ccogdill>	 if Jimmy ever needs to send out 500+ emails, he should just do it through Silverpop
[00:38:19] <ccogdill>	 I’ll follow up with Caitlin V. and see if she wants to continue this conversation with Jimmy or table it until he has a need
[00:39:09] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS5) Awight: kill remaining calls to extract() [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139531
[00:41:39] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS1) Jforrester: Follow-up Ib0d0f6c: Fix qqq typos [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156225
[00:42:49] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) Jforrester: Add a grunt linting checker for jshint, jscs, and banana and pass them (1 comment) [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/142616 (owner: Jforrester)
[00:44:18] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) Awight: [C: 2] Follow-up Ib0d0f6c: Fix qqq typos [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156225 (owner: Jforrester)
[00:44:26] <jeremyb>	 ccogdill, ok, but would be nice to know if we can close the ticket or not :)
[00:44:29] <grrrit-wm1>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Follow-up Ib0d0f6c: Fix qqq typos [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156225 (owner: Jforrester)
[00:45:34] <ccogdill>	 got it! I asked her to follow up with you guys, jeremyb
[00:47:32] <jeremyb>	 ccogdill, ok, thanks :)
[01:18:19] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS12) Awight: WIP (FR #1855) Refactor import hook to lower level [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/153376
[01:32:44] <totten_>	 eileen: i think i just figured out why i feel conflicted over profile/webform-approach to field selection and widget-approach. if i have time tonight, i'll post to the forum and send you a link
[01:33:15] <totten_>	 (and it won't just be complaining/problem def post -- i'll propose something concrete)
[16:42:51] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Support multiple 'to' addresses. [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156150 (owner: Awight)
[16:45:11] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] lint fixup and comment [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156216 (owner: Awight)
[16:46:13] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Mock mailer implementation for testing [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156217 (owner: Awight)
[16:50:30] <K4-713>	 ...rats. Everybody who can help me with my current issue is missing today.
[16:50:50] <K4-713>	 ejegg: Have you had to touch the WP nightly audit thingy?
[16:51:20] <ejegg>	 nope
[16:51:38] <K4-713>	 Darn.
[16:51:41] <ejegg>	 But I'd be happy to learn about it
[16:51:51] <ejegg>	 Is it acting up?
[16:52:14] <K4-713>	 The only thing I need to know right now, is if we ever downloaded any real samples.
[16:52:20] <K4-713>	 Ha.
[16:52:36] <K4-713>	 No, I have to rip out and re-write the whole thing.
[16:52:40] <ejegg>	 err, no idea there
[16:53:27] <K4-713>	 A really, really basic version exists in python, but even though the job appears to be running nightly, I can't find any evidence that we ever downloaded any of the nightly reconciliation files.
[16:53:54] <K4-713>	 So, it's happily going "Empty directory? Groovy, I'm already done! *exit*" every night.
[16:54:13] <K4-713>	 I mean, I guess I appreciate the optimism.
[16:54:15] <ejegg>	 oh jeez
[16:54:30] <K4-713>	 However.
[16:54:40] <K4-713>	 We may have processed a few on aluminium before we torched it.
[16:54:49] <K4-713>	 ...but I can't tell, because we torched it.
[16:55:04] <ejegg>	 Ah, were logs not moved anywhere?
[16:55:21] <K4-713>	 I was going to ask Jeff about that, but he's up a mountain or something.
[16:55:48] <K4-713>	 And they did the final torching while I was on vacation.
[16:56:02] <ejegg>	 oh right, august is like that
[16:56:09] * K4-713 looks sad and lonely
[16:56:23] <K4-713>	 I guess I can grep through the archive dirs for a while.
[16:56:52] <ejegg>	 let me know if there's anything I can help with
[16:56:56] <K4-713>	 Will do. :)
[16:57:30] <K4-713>	 Actually, if your test transaction causes an audit file to be created and retrieved, this whole thing goes away.
[16:57:46] <ejegg>	 oh hey, two birds with one stone!
[16:58:04] <K4-713>	 Plus, I get to spin around in an office chair for some number of hours.
[16:58:06] <K4-713>	 (not really)
[16:58:16] <ejegg>	 it went through just before midnight GMT yesterday though.  Not sure which day's audit that would show up on
[16:58:23] <K4-713>	 oooo
[16:58:29] <K4-713>	 Just *before* midnight?
[16:58:35] <K4-713>	 Might be there already, then.
[16:58:52] <K4-713>	 Assuming part of their infrastructure isn't squirrel-powered.
[16:59:12] <K4-713>	 I think that's a big "if" for financial things.
[16:59:25] <ejegg>	 23:18:17 to be precise
[17:03:18] <K4-713>	 AHA. I think I found... some kind of thing.
[17:03:43] * K4-713 frowns
[17:03:49] <ejegg>	 not as expected?
[17:04:06] <K4-713>	 Nah, I just lost it again.
[17:04:37] <ejegg>	 try clubbing it with a fish bat next time you get it in the boat
[17:04:51] <K4-713>	 I need one of those for work.
[17:06:56] <K4-713>	 Oh man. Okay, I found the secret stash.
[17:07:09] <K4-713>	 It's full of numbers that don't immediately appear to relate to anything.
[17:07:11] <ejegg>	 old processing logs from aluminum?
[17:07:22] <K4-713>	 Nope, the actual downloads from WP.
[17:07:30] <ejegg>	 Ah, good stuff
[17:07:47] <K4-713>	 Jackpot of Obfuscation.
[17:07:51] <K4-713>	 Today is going to be fun.
[17:08:13] <ejegg>	 woohoo!
[17:09:23] <K4-713>	 These guys really need to pick one date-based naming convention and go with it.
[17:09:38] * K4-713 searches for fish bats on amazon
[17:10:01] <ejegg>	 file names not consistent?
[17:10:46] <K4-713>	 Some of them are. Some are very much not.
[17:11:44] <K4-713>	 20140826 in most, 8-26-2014 in others.
[17:12:10] <ejegg>	 phooey on the latter
[17:12:20] <K4-713>	 Seriously.
[17:32:45] <K4-713>	 uh-oh.
[17:32:57] <K4-713>	 Minfraud might be flapping.
[17:33:43] <ejegg>	 where are you seeing that?
[17:34:18] <K4-713>	 icinga emails.
[17:34:32] <K4-713>	 Though, last time this happened, I think somebody messed with some firewall rules somewhere.
[17:34:39] <K4-713>	 And we got 1,000 pages.
[17:36:22] <ejegg>	 do those go to fr_tech?  Not seeing anything
[17:36:47] <K4-713>	 Maybe not.
[17:37:09] <K4-713>	 Yeah, looks like it's sending to me directly.
[17:37:18] <K4-713>	 Probably also adam. Definitely Jeff.
[17:37:23] <K4-713>	 And it's recovered now anyway.
[17:37:32] <ejegg>	 ah, cool
[17:37:44] <K4-713>	 I didn't see any evidence of users running into their momentary outage, though.
[17:37:53] <ejegg>	 well that's good
[17:37:53] <K4-713>	 That will show up in the logs.
[17:38:34] <ejegg>	 ah, time for me to find an electrical outlet.
[18:18:08] * K4-713 headdesks repeatedly
[18:18:10] <K4-713>	 This is terrible.
[18:18:17] <K4-713>	 Just really... genuinely awful and bad.
[18:18:58] <ejegg>	  /that/ bad?
[18:19:05] <ejegg>	 the audit file format?
[18:19:21] <K4-713>	 First off, it turns out that it's format*s*.
[18:19:28] <ejegg>	 ut oh
[18:19:37] <K4-713>	 ...like, broken down by what... kind of card the donor used.
[18:19:53] <ejegg>	 right, of course
[18:20:03] <K4-713>	 And it looks like some of them are truncating the thing we use to cross-reference with the data we have.
[18:20:20] <ejegg>	 ooh, that is no good at all
[18:21:03] <K4-713>	 What I want to know, is why they told us "Oh yes, max length on this field is 35, so whatever you want to jam in there is fine" if their $#&@$ing reporting ONLY SUPPORTS 8 CHARACTERS.
[18:21:20] <ejegg>	 wow
[18:22:09] <K4-713>	 I can't even... what would they... what's the point of me putting things that I can't... get...
[18:23:50] <K4-713>	 http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130217001558/dragonball/images/6/64/Implied-facepalm1.jpg
[18:24:05] <ejegg>	 hah
[18:24:36] <ejegg>	 no country for long reporting fields
[18:25:11] <K4-713>	 I mean, contribution tracking is up to 8 right now, by itself, and it's an autonumber.
[18:25:34] <K4-713>	 Stroke of luck that it's not more.
[18:25:40] <ejegg>	 needs letters!
[18:26:19] <K4-713>	 18934951 is top... I think we're okay for a minute. :D
[18:26:35] <ejegg>	 couple years, anyway
[18:26:57] <K4-713>	 But still: We can't differentiate between attempts at this point.
[18:27:01] <K4-713>	 That's bad.
[18:27:04] <K4-713>	 Could be worse.
[18:27:58] <K4-713>	 Should probably adjust the data constraints for WP in donation interface.
[18:28:38] <ejegg>	 huh.  I would guess the full field is available someplace, no?
[18:28:42] <K4-713>	 ...but that's not a simple thing to just do: I think there are some assumptions about the order_id that we have to find and slay first.
[18:29:13] <K4-713>	 Full field is probably searchable from various consoles, but that doesn't help with nightly audits.
[18:29:22] <K4-713>	 It's... sort of critical that those are no-touch.
[18:29:38] <ejegg>	 right
[18:30:27] <K4-713>	 Gah, hopefully I'm missing something. I can't even imagine how this works for anybody, unless they're employing a team of hand-keyers, and omg they're totally doing that somewhere aren't they.
[18:30:38] <K4-713>	 What year is it?
[18:30:44] <ejegg>	 err, doubtful
[18:31:00] <K4-713>	 Maybe they're just not doing nightly reconciliation jobs.
[18:31:11] <K4-713>	 Leaving it to a team of jerks to do at the end of the year.
[18:31:14] <K4-713>	 (we used to do that)
[18:31:24] <ejegg>	 ooh, no fun
[18:31:31] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: -1] "Just needs PHPdoc updated" (1 comment) [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156218 (owner: Awight)
[18:31:54] <K4-713>	 Actually, I did that once, and immediately thought "what do I do, to make it so that I never have to do this again?"
[18:32:36] <ejegg>	 and it's working fine for all the other gateeways, right?
[18:32:58] <K4-713>	 Now, yes. But it wasn't ever fully implemented for Worldpay. I'm beginning to see why.
[18:33:09] <ejegg>	 oic
[18:33:21] <K4-713>	 I'd have thought somebody would have sent up a flare about the 8-char transaction ID, though.
[18:33:31] <K4-713>	 That's rough.
[18:34:23] <ejegg>	 truncated to 8 chars in all the formats?
[18:34:40] <K4-713>	 Well, if it happens in one, it might as well happen in all of them.
[18:34:46] <K4-713>	 But, it looks like more than one.
[18:34:48] <ejegg>	 ah, yeah
[18:35:44] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS1) Ssmith: provide models for all fredge tables [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156334
[18:35:46] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] provide models for all fredge tables [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156334 (owner: Ssmith)
[18:53:11] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS2) Ejegg: Add bulk sent mailing import helpers for CiviMail [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156157
[18:53:13] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS3) Ejegg: Move CsvBatchFile into wmf_common [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156158
[18:56:41] <grrrit-wm1>	 (CR) Ejegg: "Fixed some things. Nested txn workaround may be worse than before. Should still fix namespace." (8 comments) [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156157 (owner: Ejegg)
[20:35:36] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS3) Ejegg: Add bulk sent mailing import helpers for CiviMail [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156157
[20:35:38] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS4) Ejegg: Move CsvBatchFile into wmf_common [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156158
[20:35:40] <grrrit-wm1>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Put all CiviMail stuff into wmf_communication namespace [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/156451
[21:30:17] <K4-713>	 PPena: I think I need to talk to WP about reporting.
[21:30:24] <K4-713>	 When is our next call?
[21:31:15] <K4-713>	 Actually, hang on: We've got standup. Back in a few.
[22:01:39] <jeremyb>	 hrmmm, does victoria IRC?
[22:01:54] <jeremyb>	 ccogdill, maybe you know? :)
[22:01:59] <marktraceurWMF>	 I think so.
[22:02:16] <ccogdill>	 she has a nick
[22:02:22] <ccogdill>	 but I don’t know that she’s on all the time
[22:02:27] <ccogdill>	 in a meeting now anyway
[22:02:49] <ccogdill>	 (she is, not me :) )
[22:03:40] <jeremyb>	 i was just reading about her email change req and an earlier one from before her time
[22:03:56] <jeremyb>	 made me think about a google group and wonder if she even knows it exists
[22:04:03] * jeremyb looks
[22:04:26] <ccogdill>	 she may not…
[22:04:50] <jeremyb>	 yeah, she's not even a member
[22:04:55] <jeremyb>	 last post was january 2013
[22:05:25] <ccogdill>	 this is related to the shop?
[22:05:45] <jeremyb>	 yeah, and surprisingly i'm permitted to invite new people??
[22:05:51] * jeremyb didn't expect that
[22:06:09] <ccogdill>	 I don’t know anything about that either
[22:06:22] <jeremyb>	 why do they make it so hard to get a permalink?
[22:06:23] <ccogdill>	 sounds like that’s from communications’ time
[22:06:26] <jeremyb>	 (google)
[22:06:57] <jeremyb>	 well i can cheat because i know their redirect scheme :-)
[22:07:13] <jeremyb>	 https://groups.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/d/forum/shopteam
[22:07:48] <jeremyb>	 (they have these crazy #! URLs like gerrit that I hate!)
[23:33:27] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: I'm taking a survey for maxmind.
[23:33:36] <ccogdill>	 uh huh?
[23:33:44] <K4-713>	 How many transactions submitted for fraud detection do you manually review daily?
[23:33:47] <K4-713>	 :D
[23:33:59] <K4-713>	 It's multiple choice.
[23:34:07] <ccogdill>	 haha
[23:34:14] <K4-713>	 1-10, 11-50, 51-250...
[23:34:29] <K4-713>	 There are more, but if you say it's more than 250, I'm fired.
[23:34:54] <ccogdill>	 I’d have to double check with Michael
[23:35:08] <ccogdill>	 wait - would these be GC status 600s
[23:35:20] <ccogdill>	 or are these ones we identify as fraud when our system didn’t catch it?
[23:35:25] <K4-713>	 Well, yes. Both.
[23:35:34] <K4-713>	 But probably more the 600s.
[23:35:39] <ccogdill>	 ah
[23:35:40] <ccogdill>	 hmm....
[23:36:52] <ccogdill>	 refunds for suspected fraud/day probably averages at around 10
[23:37:02] <K4-713>	 Whew.
[23:37:12] <ccogdill>	 but let me check on 600s
[23:37:58] <ccogdill>	 600s we deal with manually are < 1/day
[23:38:14] <ccogdill>	 if you include days that aren’t campaign days (which is most in the grand scheme of things)
[23:38:50] <K4-713>	 I'm just going to go with the 11-50 one.
[23:38:58] <ccogdill>	 sounds perfect
[23:38:59] <ccogdill>	 sorry haha
[23:39:06] <ccogdill>	 should’ve picked a multiple choice answer
[23:39:14] <K4-713>	 No worries.
[23:39:18] <K4-713>	 I'm just glad I'm not fired.
[23:40:25] <ccogdill>	 me too!
[23:41:03] <ccogdill>	 but you would’ve heard from us if we were doing 50 a day
[23:42:53] <K4-713>	 Oh good.
[23:43:10] <K4-713>	 I mean, I'd guessed it was like that, but it's good to make sure every once in a while.
[23:43:32] <K4-713>	 Please do light a signal beacon if that happens.
[23:44:08] <ccogdill>	 will do!
[23:44:12] <K4-713>	 "Hmm. Either Gondor needs my help, or fraud detection has become onerous..."
[23:44:46] <ccogdill>	 haha is fraud detection the war of the ring?
[23:45:25] <K4-713>	 Some days, I'm not sure.
[23:45:33] <K4-713>	 There was that one time.
[23:46:49] <K4-713>	 I have definitely taken down some fraud trolls single-handedly.
[23:47:44] <ccogdill>	 I think Frodo had it easier in winning the war
[23:51:23] <K4-713>	 hehe
[23:51:35] <K4-713>	 So far, I still have all my fingers, though.
[23:52:08] <ccogdill>	 don’t let Adam bite one off!
[23:52:14] <ccogdill>	 or the guinea pigs
[23:54:00] <K4-713>	 Aw, the guines pigs are nice.
[23:54:09] <K4-713>	 I bribed them with salad, and now they love me.
[23:54:24] <K4-713>	 Adam, though... :p
[23:54:27] <ccogdill>	 haha
[23:54:34] <ccogdill>	 not as easily bribed with salad?
[23:54:47] <K4-713>	 To be totally honest, I have never tried.
[23:55:29] <ccogdill>	 well you should have some handy in case he decides to wrest a ring from your finger with his teeth…
[23:55:38] <ccogdill>	 not sure how far is too far for the LOTR metaphor
[23:57:54] <K4-713>	 ccogdill: Oh, I'm sure it'll come back up at some point.
[23:59:16] <ccogdill>	 I’m always game