[00:03:21] <K4-713>	 greg-g: Ha.
[00:04:11] <K4-713>	 ...actually, that seems likely.
[00:04:19] <K4-713>	 >_>
[00:04:21] <K4-713>	 <_<
[00:04:22] <greg-g>	 yeah :/
[09:06:10] <meganhernandez>	 morning the-wub , i’m just looking over the “other’ field mobile banner you sent over.  do you happen to have the design from trilogy?  i’m checking the google docs, but don’t see it
[09:10:19] <the-wub>	 no, I don't think they ever sent a design for this precise one
[09:10:38] <the-wub>	 but I extrapolated from a previous design and the landing page
[09:11:07] <meganhernandez>	 ah ok, that explains why i couldn’t find it :)
[09:11:37] <the-wub>	 does this banner work for you?
[09:11:57] <meganhernandez>	 i’m thinking maybe we should hold off on running & check in with them on the call today.
[09:12:37] <meganhernandez>	 so they have a chance to give it a look & provide some feedback
[09:12:44] <the-wub>	 oh damn, I had totally forgotten the call today. I can't make it sorry
[09:13:04] <meganhernandez>	 the 4pm?
[09:13:12] <meganhernandez>	 i’ll be there, it’s OK
[09:13:16] <the-wub>	 yes
[09:13:48] <the-wub>	 I think we should run the banner today. the point is to test having an "other" field, not the details of the design
[09:14:17] <the-wub>	 (though personally I thought it looked rather good :P )
[09:14:43] <meganhernandez>	 but yeah, they might have some tweaks to make.  now that i’m looking at it, i’m thinking we’ll end up losing the $100 people more than people will actually pick “other.”  and i think they might have a tweak for the double blue box in other
[09:14:49] <meganhernandez>	 but i got good news from anne
[09:15:25] <meganhernandez>	 we’re good to run the US in low level, so we could also set up a low level mobile test & let it run for a bit
[09:15:45] <meganhernandez>	 would we set the cookies the same for a mobile banner as the low level desktop banners?  not sure how that changes
[09:16:45] <the-wub>	 well there isn't really an equivalent to "low level" for mobile now. because we have the reminder banner
[09:17:28] <meganhernandez>	 thinking
[09:17:36] <meganhernandez>	 still getting coffee into brain
[09:18:21] <meganhernandez>	 hey, want to check in on a call?  might be easier.  i have a couple ideas for the next tests with trilogy i was going to bring up on the call today, want to run those by you & see if you have anything you want me to bring up with them too
[09:18:36] <the-wub>	 sure
[09:18:49] <the-wub>	 now?
[09:22:35] <meganhernandez>	 sure, i’m ready when you are
[09:30:35] <meganhernandez>	 hey jessicarobell , are you good to enable to enNL mobile banners?  need anything from me or petert?
[09:31:42] <jessicarobell>	 Sure meganhernandez! I'll set them up.
[09:56:59] <meganhernandez>	 ok jessicarobell , i’m having a hard time with my phone today so didn’t get to see the latest versions peter sent on my phone
[09:57:04] <meganhernandez>	 were you able to QA them?
[09:57:14] <meganhernandez>	 i am going to have a talk with SFR…
[09:59:43] <jessicarobell>	 meganhernandez: the enNL mobile he sent yesterday at 4pm you mean? Yes, those I QAd and just put them up. Is that what you mean?
[10:00:31] <meganhernandez>	 yeah the enNL multivariate test on the BIG granny thread
[10:02:04] <meganhernandez>	 oh the-wub i forgot to ask you about the tablet campaign.  do i just clone the mobile banners& give them a new name to run in the tablet campaign?
[10:03:07] <the-wub>	 I think we're just running tablets and mobile in the same campaign now. that's what we did last week, and what we've been doing for NL
[10:04:39] <jessicarobell>	 yes, meganhernandez and the-wub: the 4 way enNL mobile BIG granny test is up and in the calendar.
[10:11:58] <meganhernandez>	 do we have a way to tell how much comes from mobile and tablet?  the-wub
[10:12:49] <the-wub>	 meganhernandez: only if you do run them in separate campaigns. which is why we did it that first week.
[10:13:26] <meganhernandez>	 ok, i can do that
[10:13:32] <the-wub>	 "tablet" is a misname though, it's only iPads. Android tablets show up in the mobile campaign (and always have done)
[10:13:41] <meganhernandez>	 ok
[15:12:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS3) AndyRussG: WIP Schema for persistent global allocation tracking [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159403
[17:20:58] <ejegg>	 awight, pizzzacat, K4-713: Scrum of Scrums coming up - anybody got anything to ask other teams for?
[17:31:26] <AndyRussG>	 awight: I'll be playing hookey from standup to go the RFC meeting about DI and data mapper--care to join me?
[17:31:53] <AndyRussG>	 It's at 9 pm UTC
[17:32:25] <awight>	 AndyRussG: absolutely, thx for the ping
[17:32:39] * awight scrambled to read yr RFCs
[17:32:43] <awight>	 s/ed/es
[17:33:12] <atgomez>	 hey Jeff_Green... i know you're dealing (dealt?) with civi issues, but wondering if you'll have time to get ellery into lutetium today?
[17:33:40] <Jeff_Green>	 atgomez: cmjohnson1 was working on that, I believe he's already set up
[17:33:48] <AndyRussG>	 awight: fantastic, thx a ton! Incoming comments on the talk pages, BTW
[17:34:56] <cmjohnson1>	 i set Ellery an email with instructions
[17:36:56] <awight>	 AndyRussG: the meeting does not appear on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings
[17:37:25] <awight>	 Also, can you paste the RFC urls for me?  I don't see them in mediawiki.org/wiki/RFC
[17:38:34] <AndyRussG>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Data_mapper
[17:38:48] <AndyRussG>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Dependency_injection
[17:39:21] <AndyRussG>	 Yeah it looks like the Architecture meetings page is falling into disuse. A previous meeting wasn't posted there either... It was announced on the engineering mailing list, tho
[17:39:41] <awight>	 too bad!
[17:40:03] <awight>	 ejegg: you might be interested in the DI or both of the above ^^
[17:40:19] <AndyRussG>	 yeah I dunno why... I think I saw some activity on the test Phabricator instance, tho it's now offline for a few days
[17:40:25] <ejegg>	 I will definitely follow a bit of the rfc meeting
[17:41:49] <CaitlinVirtue>	 @Jeff_Green
[17:42:10] <CaitlinVirtue>	 can you help Jonathan Curiel get the SSL certificate for Civi too?
[17:42:47] <CaitlinVirtue>	 he's not an IRC guy, so I'm sending you both an email now
[17:43:59] <AndyRussG>	 ejegg: cool thanks much!!!
[17:45:47] <awight>	 AndyRussG: 2100 UTC, in #wikimedia-office ?
[17:46:00] <awight>	 stupid engineering list is private... I can't read the archives, yet.
[17:47:53] <Jeff_Green>	 garghamcbargha, visualeditor ate my browser
[17:48:20] <Jeff_Green>	 re jonathan, sure
[17:49:36] <awight>	 Jeff_Green: oh, don't use visual editor!!  Tables??  talk about dogfoooding...
[17:50:14] <Jeff_Green>	 yeah
[17:51:11] <awight>	 It's possible the dogfud won't even land in your mouth.  VE killed all javascript in my browser for a week.
[17:51:43] <Jeff_Green>	 hahahah
[17:51:56] <Jeff_Green>	 it the botulism of canned dogfood?
[17:52:26] <awight>	 it was... the salmon mousse.
[17:52:33] <Jeff_Green>	 anthrax ripple!
[17:52:39] <Jeff_Green>	 ok generating jonathan's cert
[17:53:16] <awight>	 now, with 50% more malignant microflora!
[17:53:34] <atgomez>	 sweet thanks cmjohnson1!
[17:57:59] <awight>	 AndyRussG: you could add more low-level benefits of the DataMapper, like safety checking on property names, and a little explanation of the queueSave / flush pattern.
[17:58:22] <AndyRussG>	 Ah hmmmm true :p
[17:59:42] <awight>	 ejegg: re composer usage in crm: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Composer_managed_libraries_for_use_on_WMF_cluster
[18:00:02] <ejegg>	 oh, cool!
[18:00:22] <ejegg>	 Did you see I re-committed the phpseclib with composer?
[18:00:52] <ejegg>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159210
[18:03:22] <awight>	 ejegg: yes, that was great, but what do you think about isolating the vendor/ stuff in its own submodule?
[18:03:49] <ejegg>	 that's a good plan too.  let me check on my repo request
[18:04:09] <awight>	 ejegg: I agree with your path
[18:04:30] <awight>	 the civicrm vs crm thing has been disturbing to QChris, it seems
[18:04:36] <ejegg>	 oh, i see
[18:04:53] <ejegg>	 bah, how do I edit this request?
[18:05:07] <awight>	 hehe
[18:05:15] <awight>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Git/New_repositories/Requests/Entries&action=edit
[18:05:18] <ejegg>	 is it a subpage?
[18:05:24] <awight>	 template magic :(
[18:06:16] <awight>	 ejegg: oh actually, your path should be wikimedia/fundraising/crm/vendr
[18:06:19] <awight>	 or
[18:06:28] <ejegg>	 yeah, with the wikimedia
[18:06:28] <awight>	 ^dr^dor
[18:06:33] <awight>	 jus wanted to say that
[18:07:11] <ejegg>	 so /Entries is a magic word?
[18:10:30] <SVentura>	 is Jeff_Green in the house?
[18:12:44] <Jeff_Green>	 yep. one sec and I'll send your password
[18:15:04] <Jeff_Green>	 ok sent
[18:15:26] <Jeff_Green>	 once that arrives, these are the setup instructions: https://collab.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/Engineering/SSL_Client_Authentication
[18:15:57] <Jeff_Green>	 ignore step #1
[18:16:14] <SVentura>	 received
[18:17:10] <SVentura>	 done and done!
[18:17:11] <SVentura>	 thanks!
[18:17:23] <Jeff_Green>	 works for that test site?
[18:17:38] <Jeff_Green>	 civi isn't locked down yet, so it won't matter there yet
[18:17:56] <SVentura>	 ok
[18:18:07] <Jeff_Green>	 generally your browser will ask you the first time you hit a site that uses client certs which one you want to provide
[18:18:12] <awight>	 cmjohnson1: Ellery has some questions about his tellurium access--his private key doesn't seem to be letting him in yet...
[18:18:22] <awight>	 cmjohnson: ^^
[18:18:26] <SVentura>	 worked on chrome, trying Firefox and Safari
[18:18:32] <Jeff_Green>	 great!
[18:18:39] <cmjohnson>	 awight...i was booted didn't see
[18:18:44] <awight>	 hehe
[18:18:47] <awight>	 11:18 < awight> cmjohnson1: Ellery has some questions about his tellurium access--his private key doesn't seem to  be letting him in yet...
[18:19:45] <cmjohnson>	 ok
[18:19:56] <CaitlinVirtue>	 @jeff_green can you tell us when civi gets locked down to those without the SSL cert?
[18:20:04] <CaitlinVirtue>	 and by us, I mean me?
[18:20:40] <Jeff_Green>	 CaitlinVirtue: yep. and you're all set re. your own cert right?
[18:21:26] <CaitlinVirtue>	 awesome, thanks.  Yes, I'm all set, but we have outside contractors who also access and we are still in the process of figuring out if they have the cert or not.
[18:21:34] <Jeff_Green>	 ok
[18:22:02] <Jeff_Green>	 CaitlinVirtue: ok. and fwiw this list is current https://collab.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/Engineering/3rd_Party_Account_Location
[18:24:08] <CaitlinVirtue>	 i with check with AZL and make sure it's current for them still
[18:26:22] <ejegg>	 a
[18:35:25] <CaitlinVirtue>	 @jeff_green I can confirm that the AZL list is current
[18:35:44] <Jeff_Green>	 ok
[18:37:27] <Jeff_Green>	 CaitlinVirtue: can you get cell #'s for them, and add them to that collab page?
[18:37:35] <Jeff_Green>	 oh email too
[18:37:46] <Jeff_Green>	 then I can send them certs and instructions
[18:37:57] <CaitlinVirtue>	 i will check
[18:38:01] <Jeff_Green>	 thanks
[18:42:33] <CaitlinVirtue>	 not to be a total wiki doofus, but there's no field in that grid for email or cell #.
[18:43:45] <Jeff_Green>	 ha, I thought the same thing. fine with me if you just add it to the Description field
[18:49:52] <CaitlinVirtue>	 brace yourself for another Luddite-like question:
[18:50:30] <CaitlinVirtue>	 these people are data entry contractors and may not want to give us their cell numbers.  is there an alternative way to deliver the passwords
[18:50:40] <CaitlinVirtue>	 (we do have the cell for the account manager)
[19:09:32] <Jeff_Green>	 well
[19:09:36] <Jeff_Green>	 hmm
[19:09:55] <Jeff_Green>	 basically we want the key tied reliably to the end user
[19:11:06] <Jeff_Green>	 and we want it not available to anyone but that user--i.e. if their manager is arrested and fired we don't want to have to revoke all the certs for all their employees
[19:12:08] <Jeff_Green>	 do they at least have individual email accounts?
[19:13:09] <CaitlinVirtue>	 yes, just added to collab
[19:13:37] <Jeff_Green>	 ok
[19:13:46] <Jeff_Green>	 i'll try to think of some sane options
[19:14:25] <CaitlinVirtue>	 thank you :-)
[19:15:14] <Jeff_Green>	 how do we distribute their civi credentials?
[19:22:15] <CaitlinVirtue>	 umm....
[19:22:54] <CaitlinVirtue>	 i'll ask Rosie when she gets back.  @awight might know as well
[19:22:57] <Jeff_Green>	 k
[19:52:14] <atgomez>	 hey awight.. given civi madness and the rfc that AndyRussG is doing, are we still on for the civi contacts chat in 10?
[19:52:58] <meganhernandez>	 Jeff_Green: thank you for helping me with my cert today.  good timing.
[19:53:26] <Jeff_Green>	 meganhernandez: indeed! you're psychic
[20:04:13] <awight>	 atgomez: hallooo
[20:04:14] <awight>	 argh
[20:04:17] <awight>	 missing
[20:04:19] <atgomez>	 hey there
[20:04:21] <awight>	 but i have half the datas
[20:04:28] <awight>	 ok i'm headed
[20:04:38] <atgomez>	 huh?
[20:46:27] <K4|meetings>	 atgomez: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll be missing the standup today in favor of... being on a roll.
[20:46:35] <atgomez>	 sweet. crush it.
[20:46:38] <atgomez>	 :)
[20:46:44] * K4-713 salutes
[21:00:05] <atgomez>	 hey ewulczyn - just a heads up that i'm still remote, so we'll have to chat on hangout. i did grab you a room though!
[21:00:26] <CaitlinVirtue_>	 @Jeff_Green katie has arranged the civi access for AZL peeps in the past
[21:00:39] <Jeff_Green>	 ok
[21:01:14] <CaitlinVirtue_>	 but I would like to do as much as I can to reduce any workload for her on this
[21:01:59] <Jeff_Green>	 ya
[21:26:29] <awight>	 AndyRussG: :( I forgot I had a meeting at 2:00, just starting to read -office backscroll...
[21:26:54] <AndyRussG>	 awight: np :)
[21:27:00] <AndyRussG>	 not down yet
[21:31:22] <atgomez>	 AndyRussG: awight i'm assuming both of you are missing standup because of rfc?
[21:32:04] <awight>	 yes sorry thx
[21:32:16] <awight>	 I meant to write a note but hadn't sufficient snark :(
[21:32:30] <atgomez>	 haha
[21:32:37] <atgomez>	 no worries. when you're done, i have a question for you guys
[21:32:47] <AndyRussG>	 atgomez: sorry I've been all chicken with no head, I'll send my updates a bit later if that's OK :)
[21:32:53] <atgomez>	 sounds good
[21:33:04] <atgomez>	 ejegg: pizzzacat just us for standing up
[21:33:54] <pizzzacat>	 IRC standup?
[21:34:09] <atgomez>	 if you can manage to be in IRC :P
[21:34:28] <pizzzacat>	 yep
[21:34:56] <pizzzacat>	 btw I'm always available on gchat if anyone needs me
[21:35:02] <pizzzacat>	 IRC hates me
[21:35:11] <pizzzacat>	 unless I really pay attention to it, which I really don't
[21:35:23] <pizzzacat>	 distracting
[21:35:27] <pizzzacat>	 :(
[21:35:48] * pizzzacat finds ADD medicine
[21:36:12] <pizzzacat>	 ok I'll go first I guess?
[21:36:45] <pizzzacat>	 today I very briefly chatted with Megan on gchat (heheh) about getting charts into the collab report for FR
[21:37:28] <pizzzacat>	 I need to create a mingle card for that but I am working on that as well as a front end card on fraud widget
[21:37:44] <pizzzacat>	 and getting Ellery up to speed on what Sahar wrote
[21:37:49] <pizzzacat>	 in a few
[21:38:28] <atgomez>	 yeah i just chatted with him - could you also make part of that (or maybe a secondary piece later) about accessing the data? hope is that you can give him an intro, he can dig around, and then we'll set up a chat with k4 once he knows more
[21:38:30] <pizzzacat>	 I also met with Elliott yesterday about the backend routes for Dash
[21:38:41] <pizzzacat>	 and reassigned the mingle card to him
[21:39:10] <pizzzacat>	 I can tell him as much as I know about accessing the data
[21:39:38] <pizzzacat>	 K4 is more of the one who knows about that, though I realize her time is less available than mine
[21:39:54] <atgomez>	 that'd be perfect. thank you
[21:40:03] <pizzzacat>	 but happy to get him onboarded with fredge and civicrm
[21:40:07] <atgomez>	 perrrfect
[21:41:07] <awight>	 omg the cat got her brain!
[21:41:26] <pizzzacat>	 anyone else doing standup?
[21:41:30] <ejegg>	 i wrote some queries for the email data request (#1702)
[21:42:12] <awight>	 I panicked about a new Civi vulnerability; met with Major Gifts about communication preferences, and then with Rosie about foreign checks import.
[21:42:32] <ejegg>	 if awight or K4-713 has a chance, they can review the queries here: https://collab.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/Engineering/Fun_SQL_Queries/Totals_by_Source_for_Cohort
[21:42:46] <K4-713>	 hum?
[21:42:55] <K4-713>	 ...oh.
[21:42:57] <ejegg>	 and have been exploring how express nodejs apps work
[21:43:06] <ejegg>	 for the dash
[21:43:14] <pizzzacat>	 yay
[21:44:39] <atgomez>	 you done ejegg?
[21:44:43] <atgomez>	 i can go
[21:44:58] <ejegg>	 yep, done!
[21:45:08] <K4-713>	 awight: You didn't run this recon parser code, did you?
[21:45:26] <awight>	 K4-713: run?  no
[21:45:33] <awight>	 :(
[21:45:42] <K4-713>	 "Error: Using $this when not in object context"
[21:45:44] <atgomez>	 sweet! today i spent a bunch of time in a meeting with katie, pats, megan, lisa about priorities and figuring out what we can do in the future (both near and far term)
[21:45:46] <K4-713>	 I thought so. :)
[21:45:50] <awight>	 hehehe
[21:46:10] <atgomez>	 then working on putting together some tasks about new work coming in for scoping, so you'll be seeing some email about that this afternoon
[21:46:27] <atgomez>	 talked to adam/cc/cv/rosie about communication preferences in civi
[21:46:38] <atgomez>	 and did a first pass at onboarding planning for ellery
[21:46:40] <atgomez>	 yaaay
[21:46:55] <atgomez>	 i think that's everyone who's coming to standup! but i have some quick questions as well
[21:47:16] <atgomez>	 awight and AndyRussG - is one of you free/better positioned to give ellery an intro to how the backend of centralnotice works?
[21:47:26] <atgomez>	 not right now, but within the next days/week?
[21:47:28] <awight>	 I can do
[21:48:38] <atgomez>	 would you prefer to do it or is AndyRussG in a good spot? just looking at your calendar and seeing not so much free time on friday
[21:48:46] <atgomez>	 + you're out tomorrow
[21:50:07] <AndyRussG>	 atgomez: I'm also fine w/ it of course, whatever you guys decide is great
[21:51:48] <atgomez>	 ok. let's do that because scheduling.
[21:51:53] <atgomez>	 1 hr? 30 min?
[21:51:59] <atgomez>	 5 hours?!
[21:52:12] <pizzzacat>	 haha
[21:54:38] <atgomez>	 AndyRussG: ^ ?
[21:55:30] <AndyRussG>	 atgomez: one sec ;p
[22:01:09] <AndyRussG>	 atgomez: I can take whatever amount of time neeed, I don't know exactly what sort of intro is requiered
[22:01:46] <atgomez>	 ok. i'll just send you a thing and let you guys set it up
[22:18:06] <awight>	 AndyRussG: nicely lit fires!
[22:18:36] <awight>	 The discussion wasn't squarely enough about your implementations, but you sure succeeded in reigniting debate about basic things MW-core is lacking...
[22:19:44] <AndyRussG>	 awight: thanks heheheheh hopefully controlled burn :)
[22:22:15] <AndyRussG>	 atgomez: got it, thanks, sounds good :)
[22:24:13] <awight>	 ejegg: wrt your queries, they look almost suspiciously correct.
[22:24:28] <awight>	 Sorry about the dedupe thing, u did plenty of backflipping around that.
[22:25:19] <ejegg>	 thanks for the scrutiny!
[22:25:56] <awight>	 ejegg: can you point me to the original request for data?
[22:26:01] <ejegg>	 I should probably come up with a query that doesn't take 7 minutes next time.  Hope I didn't cause any issues
[22:26:09] <ejegg>	 Oh, that was mingle ticket 1702
[22:26:15] <ejegg>	 https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1702
[22:26:20] <awight>	 nah.  Plus, you can do them on the staging box and not affect anythint.
[22:26:35] <ejegg>	 ah right, there's that copy!
[22:26:48] <ejegg>	 Next time I'll do the heavy queries there
[22:27:54] <awight>	 ok, nailed it!
[22:28:41] <ejegg>	 rockin.  Send results to all of fr-online?
[22:29:45] <awight>	 ejegg: donno, that sounds good
[22:29:49] <ejegg>	 kewl
[22:44:40] <ejegg>	 awight: contribution_tracking doesn't get new records for each installment of a recurring donation, correct?
[22:46:25] <awight>	 ejegg: correct
[22:46:49] <ejegg>	 cool
[22:53:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Awight: WIP foreign check import [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159215
[22:59:18] <atgomez>	 hey ejegg - awesome results! thank you for doing that.. just FYI i pasted your email into the card so there's a permanent home for that info :)
[22:59:34] <ejegg>	 Ok, cool!
[23:02:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS3) Ejegg: Add OANDA and ECB importers, update with fallthrough [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159347
[23:31:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Katie Horn: Bug fixes for the initial commit of the WP recon parser [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/159631
[23:32:18] <K4-713>	 awight: I nominate you to review that ^^.
[23:33:04] <K4-713>	 You, ah... changed your mind about classes vs arrays halfway through the implementation, didn't you? :D
[23:42:53] <K4-713>	 Bah, still not quite right.