[15:42:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: DEPLOY BY 9/16: Swap out jQuery.JSON for native methods [extensions/CentralNotice] (wmf_deploy) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160466
[17:13:39] <K4-713>	 ejegg: Good aftermorningnoon!
[17:14:06] <K4-713>	 Or, as we usually say: Good Aftermath.
[17:14:17] <ejegg>	 Hello K4!
[17:14:25] <K4-713>	 What are you up to today?
[17:14:34] <ejegg>	 Am prepping for the CentralNotice deploy
[17:14:42] <ejegg>	 but having trouble getting to a certain server
[17:14:49] * K4-713 backs away slowly
[17:15:19] <K4-713>	 Heh. I think awight may try to upgrade mediawiki core on payments today, too.
[17:15:28] <K4-713>	 Sounds like quite the rodeo.
[17:16:09] <ejegg>	 wheee
[17:25:19] <K4-713>	 atgo: Do you have line-of-sight on pizzzacat?
[17:26:28] <K4-713>	 Ah, there's another one.
[17:26:42] <K4-713>	 awight: Do you have line-of-sight on pizzzacat?
[17:26:50] <K4-713>	 Also, good morning.
[17:27:18] <awight>	 ejegg: fwiw, I should be online by 10:45 pdt
[17:27:36] <awight>	 K4-713: not yet
[17:28:24] <awight>	 And when I do, she's usually behind a curtain :p
[17:28:37] <ejegg>	 hi awight!  having trouble reaching main deployment server just now
[17:29:04] <K4-713>	 awight: Darn. I wanted somebody to do The Dance Of Regret For Missing Our Weekly 1:1.
[17:29:30] <K4-713>	 ...with a very short Dance Of Possible Rescheduling.
[17:30:09] <K4-713>	 Capped off with The Dance Of I Hope Your Breakfast Didn't Explode Today.
[17:31:53] <marktraceur>	 K4-713: That last one never seems to work for me
[17:32:13] <K4-713>	 It's tricky. Some of the lifts are really hard.
[17:51:49] <awight>	 ejegg: ergo sum!
[17:51:58] <ejegg>	 hello!
[17:52:18] <awight>	 I was wondering, if u want to telecast your shell or anything
[17:52:28] <ejegg>	 yeah, definitely
[17:53:01] <awight>	 We haven't done a remote deployment training, yet, so yeah probably good to look over your shoulder
[17:53:11] <awight>	 K4-713: you worked out the pizzzacat question?
[17:53:25] <K4-713>	 Basically.
[17:53:38] <ejegg>	 awight: I just joined the video call attached to the 11:00 calendar appt
[17:53:49] <K4-713>	 awight: Though, with significantly less dancing than I wanted.
[17:53:52] <K4-713>	 Ah well.
[17:54:27] <K4-713>	 awight: Where were you with the mediawiki core upgrade for payments?
[17:54:50] <K4-713>	 I mean, presumably we need Jeff to get anywhere switching deploy branches.
[17:55:08] <K4-713>	 But, it sounded like you got stuck in testing.
[17:55:19] <awight>	 K4-713: I think we have a working branch, now.  The card status should be accurate: https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1949
[17:55:22] <awight>	 K4-713: testing?
[17:55:33] <K4-713>	 ...
[17:55:57] <K4-713>	 Testing that the upgrade wouldn't, you know, break everything.
[17:56:37] <awight>	 ejegg: hey, yeah I have no mic/vid on this box, but I can see you!
[17:56:37] * K4-713 smirks
[17:56:46] <awight>	 yah and can hear
[17:56:49] <K4-713>	 I was expecting a larger number of words in that card.
[17:56:55] <awight>	 :p
[17:57:07] <awight>	 ejegg: no it's working!
[17:57:18] <awight>	 thx
[17:57:41] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] DEPLOY BY 9/16: Swap out jQuery.JSON for native methods [extensions/CentralNotice] (wmf_deploy) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160466 (owner: Ejegg)
[17:57:45] <awight>	 switching to priv for coworker sanity
[17:58:32] <K4-713>	 atgo, awight, ejegg: I'm about to basically go silent for a while. So, if you need anything from me, now would be a good time. Dealing with fiddly bits in the new nightly audit code.
[17:58:59] <atgo>	 crush it K4-713 :)
[18:01:39] <K4-713>	 Woot. Okay, here I go.
[18:02:28] <awight>	 K4|readonly: shameless harvester of sorrow!
[18:54:36] <awight>	 ejegg: ciao/aloha!
[18:54:51] <awight>	 sorry for the creepy one-way mic thing
[18:54:58] <ejegg>	 hello!
[18:55:19] <awight>	 https://issues.civicrm.org/jira/browse/CRM-10700
[18:55:55] <ejegg>	 interesting
[18:56:09] <awight>	 yeah but other people report the opposite (which is what I would have expected)
[18:56:31] <awight>	 I can't explain it, but I can reproduce the problem...
[18:56:55] <ejegg>	 dang the underlying mysql bug is pretty old
[18:57:01] <awight>	 I'm interested in your Civi talk btw, they probably don't do a video link or anything?
[18:57:14] <ejegg>	 nope...
[18:57:39] <awight>	 Well I can peek at your notes if you'd like
[18:58:21] <ejegg>	 Yeah, I'll work on those a bit and try to get you something before too late today
[18:58:40] <ejegg>	 have just been poking around a diff and noting changes
[18:59:06] <awight>	 I think the most notable stuff is how we've totally subverted the Contribution pages
[18:59:30] <ejegg>	 yeah, I was going to give some civi-centric version of K4's pipeline diagram
[18:59:34] <awight>	 nice
[18:59:54] <awight>	 People might also be really interested in the queue-based loose coupling
[19:00:08] <ejegg>	 ah yeah, I guess that's what I meant.
[19:00:21] <ejegg>	 Sorry, how else have we subverted the contrib pages?
[19:00:41] <awight>	 those pages are problematic to begin with
[19:01:00] <awight>	 but anyway, we're just not using them at all
[19:01:13] <ejegg>	 I see we removed some triggers, guessing for performance
[19:01:20] <awight>	 apparently it's a top wish-list item for Civi admins to write their own donation pages
[19:01:26] <ejegg>	 Caching the OptionGroup and ACL values
[19:01:33] <awight>	 Have you seen the built-in contrib page feature?
[19:01:37] * awight looks for sandbox example
[19:01:49] <awight>	 ejegg: https://www.mesaprogram.org/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=2
[19:02:11] <ejegg>	 ah yeah, took a quick look at that stuff
[19:02:21] <awight>	 that's all I was referring to
[19:02:46] <awight>	 k, I will butt out of your notes unless u want a peer :)
[19:02:52] <ejegg>	 And Ellen's project would eventually tie in with that functionality, right?
[19:03:00] <awight>	 hell yeah
[19:03:04] <awight>	 (Eileen)
[19:03:05] <ejegg>	 Cool
[19:03:08] <ejegg>	 Oops, right
[19:03:15] <awight>	 she's the raddest.
[19:03:38] <ejegg>	 yeah, she picked up on all that stuff and distilled it down in no time
[19:04:05] <awight>	 plus, came up with the plan for us to hire totten to do CI
[19:04:58] <ejegg>	 oh, cool.  Definitely will be nice to have those tests voting and running in a clean repeatable way
[19:05:17] <awight>	 hashar: felicitations, papa!
[19:05:42] <hashar>	 awight: merci :)
[19:05:46] <awight>	 hashar: if/when you're settled into work again, I have some patches for the CiviCRM CI stuff
[19:06:23] <ejegg>	 So other stuff we changed: the language - using ISO codes rather than locales and not forcing a default, longer/unvalidated zip code for international folks, longer email
[19:06:27] <ejegg>	 added a refund page
[19:06:44] <awight>	 ejegg: oof, the language stuff is pretty badly broken at the moment
[19:06:55] <awight>	 we're still using unix-locale
[19:07:02] <awight>	 BCP-47 work was not merged to production
[19:07:03] <ejegg>	 no full-db contact de-duping, but a batch dedupe module
[19:07:11] <ejegg>	 oh, that's not in prod?
[19:07:27] <awight>	 mostly cos the core i18n person wants me to do it as an extension
[19:07:42] <awight>	 he said it's an insanely marginal use case to even support two language groups...
[19:07:50] <ejegg>	 jeez
[19:07:53] <hashar>	 awight: kid care rushing out :/
[19:07:58] <awight>	 IMO this is a chicken-egg thing... nobody uses it for multilingual cos it does not work
[19:08:06] <ejegg>	 sounds right
[19:08:08] <awight>	 hashar: I'm sure!  there'll be a lot more of that :p
[19:08:24] <awight>	 hashar: yeah, no rush, I just want to keep positive momentum
[19:09:07] <awight>	 ejegg: also, custom import methods.  we are the only Civi instance that does audit processing
[19:09:28] <awight>	 and sadly external listeners (some such as paypal IPN do exist in Civi core)
[19:10:07] <ejegg>	 ah, right - that's all in our modules though, not core, right?
[19:10:12] <awight>	 yep
[19:10:59] <awight>	 u can brag that we have the largest *intact* civi instance.  NYSS's Bluebird is bigger, but split across multiple instances
[19:11:09] <ejegg>	 is there something I can read to catch up on the new things you + major gifts want to start using that we haven't been doing yet?
[19:11:38] <awight>	 lemme double-check that I can forward the minutes...
[19:11:46] <awight>	 but yeah there is some major stuff
[19:12:19] <awight>	 Giant Rabbit is overhauling reporting, to run in the background, support permalinking, basically never run a report unless you intend to.  Scheduled reports.
[19:12:43] <awight>	 We've turned on CiviEvent in staging, evaluating then will probably use in production
[19:13:04] <ejegg>	 wow, that reporting stuff will be big.
[19:13:12] <awight>	 There's the mail stuff you've been working on, which is really huge.  btw, did you spec the work for slurping BCCs?
[19:13:20] <ejegg>	 and that's supposed to be upstreamed too, right?
[19:13:28] <awight>	 ejegg: yeah the basic report class is actually very nice to customize, but usability is crap.
[19:13:36] <awight>	 ejegg: um... the mail stuff?  That's up to you
[19:13:53] <awight>	 It seems like a decent design for upstreaming
[19:13:54] <ejegg>	 Didn't spec it out yet, but it looks like we can re-use all the code we need to do the account config + mail reading
[19:14:06] <awight>	 ejegg: maybe just create a top-level card
[19:14:15] <ejegg>	 oh, I meant the reporting stuff being upstreamable
[19:14:28] <awight>	 oh yeah absolutely, that's first priority
[19:14:33] <ejegg>	 rockin
[19:15:01] <awight>	 same with the CI stuff--we basically sponsored adding it to upstream to improve code quality, and getting it working for ourselves is an afterthought
[19:15:14] <awight>	 a grave afterthought...
[19:15:20] <ejegg>	 heh.  also very nice
[19:15:55] <awight>	 ejegg: fwiw, https://trello.com/b/HmPIQDhc/civi-major-gifts
[19:15:58] <awight>	 out of date by now
[19:16:33] <ejegg>	 what's the state of our deduping?  I know you have a WIP to rewrite as a civi module rather than drupal
[19:16:54] <ejegg>	 but do we actively dedupe batches via the drupal one now?
[19:17:14] <awight>	 I finished the rough port
[19:17:21] <awight>	 but it isn't in use yet.
[19:17:31] <awight>	 I need to incorporate feedback from the last round of review
[19:17:44] <awight>	 https://trello.com/b/f6BYQzoW/dedupe-roadmap
[19:17:47] <ejegg>	 oh, even the original drupal module deduper isn't in use?
[19:17:51] <awight>	 nope
[19:18:06] <awight>	 it's the cause of some sadness and stress.  We'll definitely finish it, I just need... a few weeks...
[19:18:35] <ejegg>	 ok.  that explains why I found 500k contact records for the 300k distinct emails in that Dec '12 cohort :)
[19:19:04] <awight>	 yeeeah.
[19:19:20] <awight>	 The estimate is ~25% of all historical contacts are dupes
[19:19:35] <ejegg>	 I see we did disable full-db deduping though.  Guessing that's just a synonym for 'kill the server' on our installation.
[19:19:48] <awight>	 exactly.
[19:19:53] <awight>	 N^2
[19:20:12] <ejegg>	 that'll do it
[19:20:45] <awight>	 The author of Civi core dedupe is contracting for this UK NGO...
[19:20:54] <awight>	 and he recently made the full dedupe more pluggable
[19:21:17] <awight>	 + wrote a simple algorithm that can do full dedupe in a few seconds.
[19:21:48] <ejegg>	 oh, whoa!
[19:22:33] <awight>	 ejegg: if you want, here's an outline of our approach: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1X-9ZFbVJ-M_S25PwYfnv7-lSOriABCAilWkXNPZeq0c/edit?usp=sharing
[19:23:37] <ejegg>	 oh, thanks!
[19:24:36] <ejegg>	 i love all the HAL
[19:27:07] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ssmith: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160504
[19:27:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] Merge branch 'master' of ssh://gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160504 (owner: Ssmith)
[19:35:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ssmith: Remove JCB logo and add new Carte Bleue logo [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160506
[19:36:47] <grrrit-wm>	 (Abandoned) Ssmith: Merge branch 'master' of ssh://gerrit.wikimedia.org:29418/mediawiki/extensions/DonationInterface [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160504 (owner: Ssmith)
[19:37:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Remove JCB logo and add new Carte Bleue logo [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160506 (owner: Ssmith)
[19:37:18] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Remove JCB logo and add new Carte Bleue logo [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160506 (owner: Ssmith)
[21:08:43] <awight>	 atgomez: thx, https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1955
[21:13:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Awight: WIP new recurring charge API [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139476
[21:19:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS3) Awight: WIP new recurring charge API [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139476
[21:26:35] <K4-713>	 huh
[21:27:05] <awight>	 K4-713: Is there a reason DI request default 'values' take precedence over overrides in the unstaged data?
[21:27:32] <K4-713>	 Probably. What do you mean be default values?
[21:27:35] <K4-713>	 *by
[21:27:45] <awight>	 stuff in the transaction 'values' array
[21:28:08] <K4-713>	 Values are basically hard-coded. Think of them as constants.
[21:28:13] <awight>	 I'm merging in the recurring globalcollect standalone code, and... hit an issue with effort_id
[21:28:24] <K4-713>	 If it's in the transaction structure, that's... what that thing always is.
[21:28:32] <awight>	 ok then
[21:28:51] <awight>	 yeah that's how the code reads, glad to hear it's intentional.
[21:28:53] <K4-713>	 If it's not supposed to be that thing all the time, either unset it for the special case, or... something else
[21:29:01] <atgomez>	 hey awight - do you think you could help with the PCI scoping doc for verizon?
[21:29:10] <awight>	 atgomez: I can try
[21:29:17] <atgomez>	 cool. i'll show you the ropes after standup
[21:29:50] <atgomez>	 speaking of which... awight pizzzacat AndyRussG ejegg K4-713 standup approaches :)
[21:30:08] <awight>	 nay, nigh!
[21:30:09] <K4-713>	 awight: One of the things I want to clean up in DI in general, are people doing things to sent values via the structure instead of in staging. :[
[21:30:29] <awight>	 K4-713: I won't explain... but https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/139476/3/globalcollect_gateway/globalcollect.adapter.php,unified
[21:30:32] <K4-713>	 Also... you know that none of the things in the transaction structure are required, right?
[21:30:45] <awight>	 oh.  thanks, that takes care of it, then
[21:31:06] <K4-713>	 Yeah, we just don't send things that aren't set in the donation data.
[21:31:22] <K4-713>	 The transaction structure just tells the thing where to put them if they're there.
[21:31:42] <awight>	 aah shit, setGatewayDefaults there are more defaults.  and effort_id is one of them.
[21:31:47] <awight>	 ok, standwards.
[21:32:02] <K4-713>	 Didn't somebody kill that function?
[21:32:10] <K4-713>	 gah.
[21:46:32] <K4-713>	 awight: back yet?
[21:47:27] <awight>	 K4-713: si
[21:47:39] <awight>	 backlog. oh
[21:48:20] <K4-713>	 Okay. So, I was sort of incredibly late to this party, but: You're updating the standalone, correct?
[21:48:20] <awight>	 K4-713: no, not killed.  Invoked, even.
[21:48:37] <awight>	 Almost--I'm slowly backporting all the standalone patches into DI trunk
[21:48:42] <K4-713>	 ugh
[21:48:45] <awight>	 Pretty close now.
[21:48:46] <K4-713>	 Wait.
[21:48:55] <awight>	 done :p
[21:48:55] <K4-713>	 Standalone patches... go into DI?
[21:48:58] <awight>	 yeah
[21:49:02] <awight>	 cos: unfork
[21:49:14] <K4-713>	 That seems like it would... how to put it. "Break absolutely everything."
[21:49:18] <awight>	 this current patch is for recurring support.
[21:49:46] * K4-713 frowns
[21:49:53] <awight>	 The tricky one, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/139452/, will need to be reworked, but the idea is that we add a facade for all the core functions, then implement for Drupal and MediaWiki
[21:50:28] <K4-713>	 Er. When you say "all the core functions" do you mean "all the recurring functions"?
[21:50:31] <awight>	 no
[21:50:38] * K4-713 frowns more. 
[21:50:40] <awight>	 all the stuff like wfDebugLog
[21:50:44] <awight>	 and ... stuff
[21:50:47] <awight>	 hooking.
[21:51:07] <K4-713>	 OH, all the MEDIAWIKI core functions.
[21:51:08] <awight>	 i18n
[21:51:11] <awight>	 yessir
[21:51:37] <K4-713>	 Yeah. The plan as I understand it, is:
[21:52:03] <K4-713>	 1) slide in a layer of abstraction between everything that actually does anything good in DonationInterface, and Mediawiki Core
[21:52:36] <K4-713>	 2) Move all the goodness that still lives in DI to a submodule, and start calling that abstraction layer "DonationInterface"
[21:52:53] <awight>	 point 1) yes
[21:52:54] <K4-713>	 3) Write a parallel layer for drupal/civi
[21:53:03] <awight>	 I don't know what you mean by 2)
[21:53:10] <awight>	 I'm not planning such a thing.
[21:53:14] <awight>	 3) yes
[21:53:29] <K4-713>	 So, how would 1 and 3 work without 2?
[21:53:38] <K4-713>	 2 is the best part.
[21:53:50] <awight>	 Oh, I see.  For example, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/139452/5/gateway_common/framework.php,unified
[21:54:27] <K4-713>	 That looks surprisingly small for anything we were just talking about, but maybe?
[21:54:35] <awight>	 I think I'll just rely on platform-specific autoloading to switch between frameworks.
[21:54:47] <awight>	 rather than do conditional include or dependency injection...
[21:55:02] <K4-713>	 wat
[21:55:05] <awight>	 ah... which brings up the autoload issue.  Allow me to ignore that bridge.
[21:55:21] <K4-713>	 Sorry, the "submodule" in point 2 is in fact meant to be a git submodule.
[21:55:38] <awight>	 I would forgo that and have everything in the top-level repo
[21:55:56] <K4-713>	 Huh. Okay, why?
[21:56:26] <awight>	 Are you imagining we swap out the submodule?
[21:56:30] <K4-713>	 No.
[21:56:36] <awight>	 ok... so two submodules
[21:56:41] <K4-713>	 N...
[21:57:09] <awight>	 This isn't a module I imagine doing anything useful anywhere else in the world.
[21:57:14] <K4-713>	 There would be a mediawiki extension, which contains the abstraction layer for MW, and the actual payments code (submodule).
[21:57:26] <awight>	 cos I'm implementing the absolute minimimum amount of MW-core functionality
[21:57:38] <K4-713>	 There would also be a drupal/civi extension, containing the actual payments code (submodule).
[21:57:52] <K4-713>	 No switching, because nothing has to have any extra code.
[21:58:03] <awight>	 OK
[21:58:17] <awight>	 That would be fine, either way.
[21:58:33] <K4-713>	 Did this stop sounding like crazy talk at some point?
[21:58:39] <awight>	 I'd like to mess with DI as little at possible, I guess.
[21:59:09] <awight>	 It's already a MW extension, so... there's nothing to gain by separating concerns there, unless we're designing something much different.
[21:59:18] <awight>	 Such as the omnipay plugin.
[21:59:20] <K4-713>	 Well, aside from drawing that line between what's actually MW core (and can therefore not come along to drupal land)...
[21:59:41] <K4-713>	 Basically, I am sick to death of having to write things twice.
[21:59:44] <awight>	 There is a ton of unported code remaining, which still calls the MW API directly...
[21:59:47] <awight>	 oh me too
[22:00:00] <K4-713>	 The same payments code *needs* to be included both places.
[22:00:13] <K4-713>	 I thought a shared submodule would be the cleanest way to do that.
[22:00:13] <awight>	 yes, that's the main step I wanna take
[22:00:41] <awight>	 The only difference in what I'm proposing, is my layout would be more like a multi-IDE code repo.
[22:00:42] <K4-713>	 ...without requiring drupal-only code to invade DI, and MW-only code to invade drupal.
[22:01:10] <awight>	 I wasn't even planning to write a full Drupal module.
[22:01:16] <awight>	 that's an option, though.
[22:01:22] <awight>	 I was thinking more, library.
[22:01:28] <K4-713>	 Well, what's "full". Heh.
[22:01:53] <K4-713>	 At some point, some module is going to use the gateway objects.
[22:02:22] <awight>	 yeah, you're causing me to rethink mixing MW and abstracted API.
[22:02:24] <K4-713>	 And, at some point, somebody else might want to expand that to include stuff we already have on payments.
[22:02:27] <awight>	 it's a terrible idea.
[22:03:02] <awight>	 Which means, I should port all the MW-core calls in DI, or rethink this madness.
[22:03:51] <K4-713>	 You can totally not upset the place settings if you just pull the tablecloth off really, really quickly. :p
[22:04:06] <awight>	 I've fallen for that before.
[22:04:17] <awight>	 there's a trick they don't tell you.
[22:04:32] <awight>	 like the old dot of soap on a golfball move.
[22:05:03] <K4-713>	 *distant crashing noises*
[22:05:24] <awight>	 https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/220/501280820_af2c6327a1_z.jpg
[22:06:34] <K4-713>	 Woah
[22:06:43] <awight>	 K4-713: hey.  so for buildXml tests, I notice... there is no assertion?
[22:07:03] * K4-713 sighs
[22:07:17] <K4-713>	 Possibly it's leaving that for something else?
[22:07:23] <K4-713>	 Or, somebody goofed.
[22:07:25] <awight>	 oh awesome, nvm it was in the base class
[22:07:49] <K4-713>	 Oh good.
[22:08:40] <K4-713>	 I wonder if anybody would deliver a case of total zero red bull to my house in an hour.
[22:08:53] <K4-713>	 Two hours would also work, but I might not make it.
[22:09:10] <awight>	 hehe ok I'll let you crawl back under the audit boulder
[22:09:34] <K4-713>	 I think this logic is stopping my metabolism.
[22:10:13] <K4-713>	 No wonder this hasn't changed much since January 2012.
[22:10:24] <K4-713>	 Every time I get in this far, I go into a coma.
[22:10:55] <K4-713>	 Did you *see* how busted everything got over the weekend?
[22:11:09] <K4-713>	 And I didn't even *do* anything.
[22:11:28] <K4-713>	 It's like it knows I'm going to kill it.
[22:11:33] <awight>	 Should I fix the download issue?
[22:11:43] <K4-713>	 The download issue was a fluke, I think.
[22:11:51] <awight>	 I haven't cos--it seems like we're all enjoying watching it squirm?
[22:12:05] <K4-713>	 That kind of failure only happened the one time.
[22:12:24] <K4-713>	 All the other times, it was trying to find over 6k iDeal transactions in the logs.
[22:12:28] <K4-713>	 ...and running out of time.
[22:12:29] <awight>	 omg
[22:12:47] <awight>	 yeah we need.  some kind of cache of where we looked for what
[22:13:09] <K4-713>	 Actually, I'm doing something almost completely different this time.
[22:13:22] <K4-713>	 The first mechanism was a repeatedly-tweaked shot in the dark.
[22:13:33] <K4-713>	 Now, I've seen this thing run for two and a half years.
[22:13:35] <K4-713>	 Better idea.
[22:14:51] <K4-713>	 Hopefully a significantly better idea.
[22:14:55] <awight>	 aww. getExpectedXmlRequestForGlobalCollect.  I have no clue why it takes two data arrays
[22:15:13] <awight>	 homie don't play.
[22:15:32] <K4-713>	 It's probably expected vs actual if there's an assert down there somewhere.
[22:15:58] <awight>	 noo
[22:16:03] <awight>	 it's more insidious
[22:16:08] <awight>	 and undocumented
[22:16:09] <K4-713>	 Great.
[22:16:14] <K4-713>	 Perfect.
[22:16:58] <K4-713>	 awight: who blames to those lines?
[22:17:28] <K4-713>	 Though... wait, it's probably going to be largely me at this point, even if I didn't do it initially.
[22:17:40] <K4-713>	 Which I might have.
[22:18:06] <awight>	 I don't need to run blame, smell is a more powerful sense.
[22:18:15] <K4-713>	 Hmmmm.
[22:18:18] <K4-713>	 iono
[22:18:25] <K4-713>	 Smells have a way of blemding.
[22:18:26] <K4-713>	 Er.
[22:18:28] <awight>	 let's just say, it involves a giant effing strcat
[22:18:30] <K4-713>	 Blending.
[22:18:45] <K4-713>	 Still onconclusive.
[22:18:47] <K4-713>	 IN
[22:18:47] <awight>	 ^"blemding" now I know you're holding your nose.
[22:18:49] <K4-713>	 GAH
[22:18:53] <K4-713>	 I think I'm dying. :p
[22:19:33] <awight>	 I'm still looking for the extract() call, someone must have removed it since 2011.
[22:19:37] <awight>	 :p
[22:21:01] <awight>	 wait seriously, that function is a total fiction.  I just realized what's happening.  not cool.
[22:21:38] <awight>	 it should be replaced by expected xml files.
[22:21:57] <K4-713>	 Okay, THAT part, I wrote.
[22:22:25] <awight>	 the comment?  yeah I recognized that as a parenthesis of sanity.
[22:23:11] <K4-713>	 "Parenthesis of Sanity" is my first album.
[22:23:31] <K4-713>	 ...I just found an emergency 5-hour energy shot.
[22:23:56] <K4-713>	 Only, it was around before 5-hour energy existed, and I haven't seen one in about 6 years.
[22:24:04] <K4-713>	 It was either that or eat powdered coffee.
[22:24:27] <awight>	 damn.  And I was upset about running out of hot sauce during lunch.
[22:26:03] <K4-713>	 ...wow. It was one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_Soda#WhoopAss_and_Jones_Energy
[22:26:12] <K4-713>	 "Jones Energy was discontinued in late 2008."
[22:26:29] <awight>	 That sounds dangerous.  You should look for recall information.
[22:26:41] <K4-713>	 But, ah, in shot form, which they don't seem to know anything about on the article.
[22:26:45] <awight>	 You drank it?? that was a collector's article!
[22:26:59] <K4-713>	 I know.
[22:27:10] <K4-713>	 I was saving it for a time of great need.
[22:28:18] <K4-713>	 The really disturbing possibility is: What if I finish this code in the next three hours?
[22:28:36] <K4-713>	 Do I spend the rest of my career hunting down forgotten supplies of WhoopAss?
[22:29:09] <awight>	 Sounds like it's working already :p
[22:29:16] <K4-713>	 Oh, it is.
[22:29:29] <awight>	 Whoa, like I didn't realize I was so awesome!
[22:29:37] <awight>	 I should tell people about this
[22:29:50] <K4-713>	 What specific thing?
[22:30:08] * awight vigorously rubs sleeve on nose
[22:30:09] <ejegg>	 pizzzacat: just pushed some stuff to github!  the module I'm using to parse the filters from the querystring seems to be a little wonky with numbers, but it should let you do a few filters now.
[22:33:15] <awight>	 K4-713: you just reminded me of this amazing webpage, lone guy "reviewing" every energy drink, including short videos
[22:33:19] <awight>	 cannot find :(
[22:36:11] <K4-713>	 I think I might possibly know the one.
[22:36:17] <K4-713>	 It's been a while, though.
[22:36:22] <awight>	 I do think we spoke about this once
[22:36:52] <pizzzacat1>	 thanks ejegg!
[22:39:07] <awight>	 ejegg: maybe you have input on this: https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/1695
[22:39:27] <awight>	 I did some shoddy work to make a few files run under Drupal and not MediaWiki...
[22:39:41] <awight>	 using an abstraction layer for the mw-core functionality.
[22:39:48] <ejegg>	 oh, let me take a look
[22:40:01] <awight>	 K4-713 is causing me to rethink that approach however.  Which is a good thing.
[22:40:27] <awight>	 The problem is that we definitely don't want to port the form layer, so I think we'll end up with crazy inconsistency, where some classes can call MW global functions, and others cannot.
[22:40:34] <ejegg>	 also, did you see if the minutes from the 'what more can we do with civi' meeting are valid fodder for my blabbing?
[22:40:42] <awight>	 oh
[22:41:05] <awight>	 fwd'd
[22:41:09] <ejegg>	 ty!
[22:41:20] <awight>	 there are more minutes, that's the latest one though
[22:41:42] <atgomez>	 K4-713: in case you need caffeine in the future... surge is back. http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-coca-cola-surge-back-amazon-20140915-story.html
[22:41:58] <atgomez>	 WAIT A SECOND. it's not even energized. i'm full of lies.
[22:42:16] <atgomez>	 my parents were so full of it.
[22:42:57] <ejegg>	 awight, those poor patches have been languishing a while!  Will try to grok & give feedback
[22:44:35] <awight>	 ejegg: no sweat.  I need to sweep this under the carpet in one form or another, workaround is fine as long as it's not too destructive to DI code.
[22:45:53] <K4-713>	 atgomez: I remember Surge.
[22:46:21] <awight>	 c'mon, you people are about to drive me to bud light lime and ethanol!
[22:46:32] <awight>	 <_<
[22:46:33] <awight>	 >_>
[22:46:33] <atgomez>	 there's nothing wrong with bud light lime.
[22:46:38] <K4-713>	 Seriously, though,  I miss WhoopAss.
[22:46:40] <awight>	 other than, yuck!
[22:46:43] <K4-713>	 It was the best there ever was.
[22:47:40] <K4-713>	 With the taste of way too many vitamins.
[22:48:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS6) Awight: WIP Standalone framework [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139452
[22:48:42] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] WIP Standalone framework [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139452 (owner: Awight)
[22:50:32] <K4-713>	 Okay, I'm going back in there. If I don't come back, avenge me.
[22:51:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS7) Awight: WIP Standalone framework [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139452
[22:51:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] WIP Standalone framework [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139452 (owner: Awight)
[23:46:03] <awight>	 anybody here use PhpStorm?
[23:53:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS8) Awight: WIP Standalone framework [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139452
[23:54:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] WIP Standalone framework [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/139452 (owner: Awight)
[23:59:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: class-ify CurrencyRates [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160566