[00:01:35] <AndyRussG>	 Still getting google dear wikipedia readers: https://www.google.com/search?q=carafe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a&channel=sb
[00:01:56] <AndyRussG>	 K4-713: was there a resolution or something on that?
[00:02:12] <K4-713>	 So, we stopped new bad data from being indexed.
[00:02:21] <K4-713>	 That was step 1.
[00:02:46] <K4-713>	 Step 2 is "see if somebody over there would please re-index everything that they grabbed in the last 48 hours"
[00:03:00] <K4-713>	 That is well outside of my abilities, and it's the bit that we're waiting on.
[00:03:42] <K4-713>	 ...maybe we get to learn things about how fast they re-index things. :/
[00:05:29] <awight>	 I'm sure they're randomize by a few weeks, to keep us guessing about their internals
[00:06:34] <AndyRussG>	 K4-713: cool! Out of curiosity, does "we stopped" it mean the patches that ejegg and awight put through stopped it, or does it mean upstairs' contacts at Google did their contacty stuff?
[00:07:39] <awight>	 AndyRussG: nobody has called back from Google, I think
[00:08:04] <AndyRussG>	 Hmmm....
[00:09:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: Revert "Move subselects into the main pager query" [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177702
[00:12:52] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] "Drat! It was a heck of an improvement." [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177702 (owner: Awight)
[00:13:13] <AndyRussG>	 awight: ejegg: wat, there's no way to fix it?
[00:13:29] <awight>	 I'm asking in -operations... but no clues so far.
[00:14:07] <awight>	 there's a cluster of many machines ("s7" in mediawiki/config wmf-config/db-eqiad.php) and I'm wondering if there are config differences that would cause this
[00:14:21] <AndyRussG>	 what about some other approach?
[00:15:56] <awight>	 OK i see what I did wrong, I'm calling "set session" on one db object, then the pager uses whatever db connection it prefers.
[00:16:17] <K4-713>	 AndyRussG: No, you guys stopped it.
[00:17:06] <AndyRussG>	 K4-713: cool, hi fives to ejegg and awight, I just made it messier
[00:17:17] <awight>	 K4-713: someone confirmed?
[00:17:26] <K4-713>	 Basically.
[00:17:29] <awight>	 eh
[00:17:37] * awight feels luke-thrilled
[00:17:41] <K4-713>	 mhm
[00:18:27] <K4-713>	 I mean, when I search for the text that got blasted everywhere, the number of results hasn't moved.
[00:18:35] <K4-713>	 But that's the best I can do.
[00:18:57] <AndyRussG>	 They must have been like, eh, wikipedia? we could destroy you in a second, but... meh, not today
[00:19:05] <awight>	 :p
[00:19:07] <AndyRussG>	 or maybe not
[00:20:15] <awight>	 AndyRussG: well, we have another deployment window, if u want to check the bannerloader defrag thing again?
[00:20:25] <AndyRussG>	 BTW awight: ejegg: atgo_: K4-713: pizzzacat: are we still doing a team event of some sort?
[00:20:32] <AndyRussG>	 awight: yep :)
[00:20:38] <K4-713>	 Lunch tomorrow, I think?
[00:20:38] <awight>	 thanks!
[00:20:40] <atgo_>	 i can't tonight, i'm coaching at stanford
[00:20:44] <atgo_>	 but tomorrow = all the yes
[00:20:53] <K4-713>	 Nights are problems, we figured.
[00:21:06] <AndyRussG>	 K4-713: ok sounds cool!
[00:21:15] <AndyRussG>	 atgo_: what or whom do you coach?
[00:21:21] <atgo_>	 the equestrian team
[00:21:21] <atgo_>	 :
[00:21:22] <atgo_>	 :)
[00:21:28] <AndyRussG>	 wow! really
[00:21:30] <AndyRussG>	 nce
[00:21:31] <AndyRussG>	 nice
[00:21:32] <awight>	 horses are a quick study
[00:21:35] <pizzzacat>	 I am free tomorrow for lunch or after-work drinkage
[00:21:40] <K4-713>	 Lunch tomorrow does, of course, depend on not having a thematic repeat of today.
[00:21:54] <pizzzacat>	 srsly
[00:22:04] <awight>	 I'm laying the groundwork for that... oh well
[00:22:16] <AndyRussG>	 we could make it breakfast, then whatever happened later in the day wouldn't matter
[00:22:18] <pizzzacat>	 there's also the weirdly underdone option of breakfast, my favorite meal
[00:22:20] <pizzzacat>	 haha
[00:22:23] <pizzzacat>	 nice
[00:22:25] <AndyRussG>	 jinx
[00:22:35] <pizzzacat>	 Trou Normand across the street has big nice empty booths at that time
[00:22:47] <AndyRussG>	 pre-work drinkage
[00:22:55] <pizzzacat>	 and very delicious (yet highly dangerous) breakfast sandos that attack
[00:23:14] <pizzzacat>	 it's a beautiful space
[00:23:19] <pizzzacat>	 I love being in there
[00:23:21] <K4-713>	 This whole conversation is scary.
[00:23:37] <pizzzacat>	 I wish I had a dollar for every time someone said that
[00:23:44] <pizzzacat>	 this fnudraiser would be over
[00:23:45] <K4-713>	 I was witness to the exploding breakfast incident.
[00:23:51] <pizzzacat>	 yes
[00:23:55] <pizzzacat>	 it was a tragic day
[00:24:11] <K4-713>	 For a few moments, I didn't even understand what was happening.
[00:24:13] <atgo_>	 tomorrow is breakfast with lila, ya?
[00:24:15] <K4-713>	 Slow-motion.
[00:24:21] <pizzzacat>	 I was so covered in egg yolk that I actually had to excuse myself at lunch to go buy a new outfit at the mall
[00:24:37] <atgo>	 hahahah no way
[00:24:39] <pizzzacat>	 I felt like a baby chick
[00:24:49] * K4-713 nods gravely
[00:24:50] <atgo>	 dude, the baby chick IS the egg yolk
[00:24:52] <pizzzacat>	 haha
[00:25:01] <pizzzacat>	 yeah exactly
[00:25:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: WIP include SmashPig through Composer [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177704
[00:25:21] * awight quickly changes channels again
[00:25:25] <awight>	 eff that.
[00:25:29] <pizzzacat>	 I mean how do you get it on your shoes??
[00:25:36] <pizzzacat>	 it was really traumatic
[00:26:01] <pizzzacat>	 I haven't been able to look a chicken in the eye since
[00:26:02] <K4-713>	 I haven't been back since.
[00:26:04] <pizzzacat>	 haha
[00:26:06] <K4-713>	 BAHA
[00:26:12] <awight>	 O_O
[00:26:15] <K4-713>	 We should have a group for this.
[00:26:33] <pizzzacat>	 victims of breakfast sandwiches (VBS)
[00:26:44] <AndyRussG>	 We could do a lunch that morphs back in time and turns into a breakfast and then explodes
[00:27:01] <pizzzacat>	 no incepting in IRC
[00:27:02] <AndyRussG>	 But maybe not
[00:30:21] <K4-713>	 Hm.
[00:30:25] <K4-713>	 When was the last payments deploy?
[00:30:48] <K4-713>	 I'm still seeing a thing I fixed.
[00:31:16] <K4-713>	 ...oh. Yep, not deployed.
[00:31:33] <K4-713>	 No big deal, just would be cleaner in the log department.
[00:31:44] <atgo>	 awight: i'm so full of cookies.
[00:32:02] <awight>	 :)  I do love seeing everyone walk by with another cookie each time
[00:32:09] <awight>	 wish I'd actually made them...
[00:33:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Change the way unlogged-in screen looks [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177463 (owner: Ssmith)
[00:33:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: give baby SmashPig our family vendor name [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177707
[00:33:59] <atgo>	 i'm off for horsing!
[00:34:10] <AndyRussG>	 atgo: have fun!!
[00:34:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Fix number formats on donation chart [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177699 (owner: Ssmith)
[00:38:39] <AndyRussG>	 Well looks like breakfast tomorrow we already have something calendarized
[00:40:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Merge branch 'master' into deployment [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177711
[00:40:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: Autoload through Composer [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177713
[00:43:41] <ejegg>	 K4-713: how fast do we run out of disk space / how slow does it get if you turn DonationInterface debug logging on in prod?
[00:44:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ssmith: [C: 2] Merge branch 'master' into deployment [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177711 (owner: Ejegg)
[00:44:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Merge branch 'master' into deployment [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177711 (owner: Ejegg)
[00:44:15] <AndyRussG>	 awight: the debug param is only applicable to mixins, right?
[00:45:21] <awight>	 AndyRussG: yes
[00:45:52] <AndyRussG>	 OK so I'm not gonna bother smoke testing that part, since we're not using mixins on prod yet, does that make sense?
[00:46:07] <awight>	 yep, thx!
[00:46:16] <AndyRussG>	 likewise!
[00:46:19] <awight>	 If you want though, u just check the BannerDiet mixin on a banner
[00:46:32] <AndyRussG>	 Ah OK that sounds friendly
[00:47:14] * awight sniffs about *still* not mixing with friends
[00:49:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: WIP SmashPig can process WPUS files now [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177718
[00:55:25] <K4-713>	 That was fast.
[00:59:16] <awight>	 err not so fast
[00:59:24] <awight>	 that's just the regex
[01:00:39] <awight>	 K4-713: you want disturbing?
[01:00:45] <K4-713>	 No?
[01:00:48] <awight>	 ok.
[01:00:57] <K4-713>	 :p
[01:01:03] <K4-713>	 ....oookay, what do you have now?
[01:01:12] * K4-713 braces self
[01:01:12] <awight>	 eyes
[01:01:16] <awight>	 @_@
[01:01:47] <awight>	 K4-713: i mean, swivel eyes
[01:01:59] <K4-713>	 I keep turning around. Nothing is happening.
[01:13:34] <pizzzacat>	 awight: http://www.boredpanda.com/73-year-old-excel-paintings-tatsuo-horiuchi/
[01:16:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) AndyRussG: "Nice! Close... :)" (1 comment) [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/176251 (owner: Awight)
[01:20:23] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS4) Awight: Remove unused banner variance parameters [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/176251
[01:20:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Awight: Remove unused banner variance parameters (1 comment) [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/176251 (owner: Awight)
[01:21:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] Remove unused banner variance parameters [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/176251 (owner: Awight)
[01:25:50] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: Merge master into wmf_deploy [extensions/CentralNotice] (wmf_deploy) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177723
[01:26:10] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Awight: [C: 2] Merge master into wmf_deploy [extensions/CentralNotice] (wmf_deploy) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177723 (owner: Awight)
[01:26:53] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Merge master into wmf_deploy [extensions/CentralNotice] (wmf_deploy) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177723 (owner: Awight)
[01:35:30] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ssmith: Gulped and ready for deploy [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177728
[01:36:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ssmith: [C: 2] Gulped and ready for deploy [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177728 (owner: Ssmith)
[01:36:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Gulped and ready for deploy [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177728 (owner: Ssmith)
[01:37:42] <AndyRussG>	 awight: we're stil getting the evil anti-bot code on prod
[01:38:20] <K4-713>	 urf
[01:38:32] <AndyRussG>	 how did that happen?
[01:38:36] <K4-713>	 Cached somewhere?
[01:38:43] <AndyRussG>	 debug=true
[01:38:48] <K4-713>	 rats
[01:39:21] <ejegg>	 K4-713: Very basic question:  when a person hits the GC resultswitcher, do they give us anything more than order ID in get or post?
[01:40:28] <K4-713>	 Yes.
[01:40:46] <K4-713>	 ...there are a ton of things in there, actually.
[01:41:18] <ejegg>	 OK, gotcha
[01:42:41] <K4-713>	 awight, AndyRussG: The revert is in master, and in the deploy branch I'm looking at.
[01:43:03] <K4-713>	 wmf_deploy
[01:43:15] <AndyRussG>	 Something is very wonky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[01:43:27] <AndyRussG>	 May just be the verison page
[01:43:42] <AndyRussG>	 But I'm getting the bannerController.js that definitely bans bots
[01:44:16] <awight>	 AndyRussG: debug=true doesn't guarantee an uncached copy
[01:44:20] <AndyRussG>	 And when I tell the browser to make like a bot, I get banned
[01:44:54] <awight>	 ok, I'm checking on tin to see which code is deployed
[01:45:02] <AndyRussG>	 awight: thanks!
[01:45:22] <awight>	 AndyRussG: wrong code is deployed.
[01:45:22] <AndyRussG>	 Maybe something funny with the SWAT deploy that followed?
[01:45:30] <awight>	 wow
[01:45:32] <AndyRussG>	 K glad we checked... :)
[01:45:46] <awight>	 Thanks for catching it, during our window even!
[01:46:13] <K4-713>	 Wait, what the h...
[01:46:20] <AndyRussG>	 heh dumb luck---err, I mean, it's all part of a devious plan
[01:46:38] <awight>	 looks like the revert did not work!
[01:46:43] <K4-713>	 The change was applied to deploy, but it kind of looks like it got un-applied in one of the merges, yes.
[01:46:49] <awight>	 ooof
[01:46:53] <K4-713>	 Cool. How did that happen?
[01:47:13] * AndyRussG learns a new meaning of the word "cool"
[01:48:34] <AndyRussG>	 When K4-713 says "cool" she means, "clusterf**k"?
[01:48:45] <K4-713>	 Tone is relevant. :)
[01:48:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: WIP WorldPay Lynk (WP US) reconciliation [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177730
[01:48:56] <AndyRussG>	 one of the advantages of IRC
[01:48:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] WIP WorldPay Lynk (WP US) reconciliation [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177730 (owner: Awight)
[01:48:59] <K4-713>	 awight: I think it was this one. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/177672/
[01:49:21] <K4-713>	 I mean, the tree at this rev is un-reverted.
[01:50:07] <awight>	 that *is* the revert, but ok
[01:50:21] <K4-713>	 Well, check it out.
[01:50:48] <awight>	 I'm freaked out for a few reasons, but mostly because, how can we tell what else did not merge correctly!
[01:51:01] <K4-713>	 https://git.wikimedia.org/log/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FCentralNotice/refs%2Fheads%2Fwmf_deploy
[01:51:16] <awight>	 K4-713: you know what's funny, do a git log -p at that commit
[01:51:49] <K4-713>	 The change is good at  ef138e2, but according to the tree it's right back in there at  78f6b61.
[01:53:46] <awight>	 git fail
[01:53:55] <AndyRussG>	 :/ it'll be fine
[01:54:03] <awight>	 I'm going to toss some salt and just push this patch out
[01:54:10] <awight>	 do some augury on the bones later
[01:54:10] <AndyRussG>	 brb (at a critical moment... err)
[01:54:14] <awight>	 I'm so crept out
[01:54:20] <K4-713>	 Creeped.
[01:54:37] <K4-713>	 I will have crept out in an hour.
[01:55:23] <K4-713>	 ...or less.
[01:55:26] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: Revert "Don't insert banner for bots" (take 2) [extensions/CentralNotice] (wmf_deploy) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177732
[01:55:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Awight: [C: 2 V: 2] Revert "Don't insert banner for bots" (take 2) [extensions/CentralNotice] (wmf_deploy) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177732 (owner: Awight)
[02:13:10] <AndyRussG>	 The number of search results with banners seems to be going down: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22This+week+we+ask+our+readers+to+help+us%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a&channel=sb#q=%22This+week+we+ask+our+readers+to+help+us%22&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&channel=sb&filter=0
[02:17:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Katie Horn: "Retroactive +2..." [extensions/CentralNotice] (wmf_deploy) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177732 (owner: Awight)
[09:23:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: Move subselects into the main pager query (take 2) [extensions/CentralNotice] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177758
[14:22:19] <AndyRussG>	 ejegg: Google problem is worse :(
[17:45:49] <AndyRussG>	 search results numbers for "We'll get right to it: This week we ask our readers to help us" seem to be going down, now at 1,040,000 results
[17:47:04] <ejegg>	 AndyRussG: are you in the office somewhere?
[17:47:17] <K4-713>	 AndyRussG: I don't think we should treat that as more than a thumbnail.
[17:47:18] <ejegg>	 Oh, staff breakfast...
[17:47:25] <AndyRussG>	 ejegg: yeah!
[17:47:39] <AndyRussG>	 K4-713: huh?
[17:47:45] <K4-713>	 I have no idea what the time between being crawled, and being added to the retrievable search results is.
[17:48:01] <K4-713>	 There are probably a *looooot* more variables in their system than we know about.
[17:49:00] <K4-713>	 So, like, it drops by 50%, I'll take that seriously.
[17:49:16] <K4-713>	 Or, goes up by that much...
[18:09:11] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Fix logout button and welcome message [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177846
[18:09:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Merge branch 'master' into deployment [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177847
[18:16:56] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Fix logout button and welcome message [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177848
[18:17:51] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ssmith: [C: 2] Fix logout button and welcome message [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177848 (owner: Ejegg)
[18:17:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Fix logout button and welcome message [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177848 (owner: Ejegg)
[18:18:12] <grrrit-wm>	 (Abandoned) Ejegg: Merge branch 'master' into deployment [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177847 (owner: Ejegg)
[18:19:04] <grrrit-wm>	 (Abandoned) Ejegg: Fix logout button and welcome message [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177846 (owner: Ejegg)
[18:19:49] <AndyRussG>	 K4-713: it's not the citation needed template. Compare:
[18:19:49] <AndyRussG>	 https://www.google.com/search?q=Interim+trustee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a&channel=sb#rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&channel=sb&q=Interim+trustee+%22We%27ll+get+right+to+it:+This+week+we+ask+our+readers+to+help+us%22
[18:19:49] <AndyRussG>	 vs
[18:19:49] <AndyRussG>	 https://www.google.com/search?q=Interim+trustee&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a&channel=sb
[18:20:12] * AndyRussG turns to work on something that we can actually influence now
[18:27:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into deployment [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177849
[18:27:25] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into deployment [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177849 (owner: Ejegg)
[18:30:15] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Gulp for deploy [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177850
[18:30:27] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Gulp for deploy [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] (deployment) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177850 (owner: Ejegg)
[18:31:56] <awight>	 http://www.troll.me/images/lost/europe-we-have-to-go-back.jpg
[18:32:55] <awight>	 K4-713: http://withjustahintoflearning.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/funny-tardis-doctor-who-smashed-building-go-home-drunk-pics.jpg
[18:33:08] <awight>	 stupid descriptive URLs ruining the surprise.
[18:33:10] <K4-713>	 That's normal. :)
[18:33:18] <K4-713>	 I mean, the... clipping.
[18:33:34] <awight>	 it's hard to get that algorithm right
[18:33:46] <K4-713>	 Don't you normally park your TARDIS through the building you're trying to be in?
[18:34:31] <awight>	  better than a u-lock
[18:34:36] <K4-713>	 Right?
[18:34:44] <awight>	 hey, can you hold this for me?
[18:35:16] <K4-713>	 AndyRussG: I finally made you a civi account. Did you get the email?
[18:40:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Awight: WIP include SmashPig through Composer [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177704
[18:41:05] <awight>	 atgo: minor priority Q if you have a second
[18:41:13] <atgo>	 hi!
[18:41:18] <awight>	 atgo: hey
[18:41:21] <awight>	 meh nvm it's clear
[18:41:24] <awight>	 I'm doing https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/2239
[18:41:25] <atgo>	 ha ok :)
[18:41:33] <atgo>	 sounds gouda!
[18:41:40] <awight>	 This also came up, but it can stew I think: https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/online_fundraiser/cards/2241
[18:41:54] <awight>	 It's probably making our paypal figures 10% low
[18:57:43] <awight>	 atgo: just making sure u see this ^
[18:57:57] <atgo>	 yeah i saw that you made that but in a mtg... will look :)
[18:58:01] <awight>	 k
[18:58:28] <awight>	 ccogdill: actually, u should know about this too ^^
[18:58:47] <awight>	 ccogdill: maybe 10% of paypal donors won't be getting their thank you until we fix this issue.
[18:59:11] <AndyRussG>	 K4-713: got it, thanks!
[18:59:13] <ccogdill>	 hmm okay awight
[18:59:44] <ccogdill>	 does that mean that chunk already hasn’t gotten theirs? do you know how long they’ve been waiting already?
[18:59:58] <awight>	 ccogdill: sorry, I checked the real number, it's *much* lower.  We think about 0.3% of paypal transactions fall through the cracks and are picked up by audit
[19:00:11] <awight>	 ccogdill: This started on our first big day (Tues)
[19:00:41] <ccogdill>	 whew 0.3% is a lot nicer than 10%
[19:00:51] <ccogdill>	 so they’ll be in civi w/no TY letter date? or not in civi at all?
[19:01:24] <awight>	 ccogdill: they won't be in Civi at all
[19:01:50] <ccogdill>	 okay
[19:01:58] <ccogdill>	 thanks, that will help in diagnosing
[19:04:13] <ccogdill>	 awight jsut let me know when you fix it please :) that way we don’t have to double check things in the PP portal
[19:05:17] <awight>	 ccogdill: will do!
[19:05:28] <awight>	 At this point, I'm planning to fix on Monday.  Does that work?
[19:06:02] <ccogdill>	 I think so
[19:14:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Fake login when running in debug mode [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177861
[19:21:39] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Awight: WIP WorldPay Lynk (WP US) reconciliation [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177730
[19:21:45] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] WIP WorldPay Lynk (WP US) reconciliation [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177730 (owner: Awight)
[19:22:57] <AndyRussG>	 wee, I can see the dash now! way to go, pizzzacat, ejegg, everyone else :)
[19:23:21] <pizzzacat>	 yay! :)
[19:23:43] <AndyRussG>	 pizzzacat: out of curioisity, what graphing lib are u using?
[19:23:52] <pizzzacat>	 c3
[19:23:53] <AndyRussG>	 izzit d3?
[19:24:00] <pizzzacat>	 c3 is built on top of d3
[19:24:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS3) Awight: WIP WorldPay Lynk (WP US) reconciliation [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177730
[19:24:18] <AndyRussG>	 c3 whoa that's like closer to the beginning of the alphabet!
[19:24:26] <pizzzacat>	 http://c3js.org/
[19:24:28] <awight>	 there can be only one
[19:24:46] <pizzzacat>	 d3 is built on top of e3
[19:24:54] <pizzzacat>	 ^ that was a lie
[19:25:07] <AndyRussG>	 before a is nothingness, and before that it's -a, then -b, -c...
[19:25:34] <AndyRussG>	 cool!
[19:25:57] <pizzzacat>	 :)
[19:26:24] <pizzzacat>	 I think d3-based charting is the way to go
[19:26:30] <pizzzacat>	 it's pretty great
[19:27:03] <awight>	 yup
[19:27:12] <awight>	 the chaining stuff gets weird
[19:31:15] <awight>	 K4-713: *great* debug options on the audit jobs!
[19:31:26] <K4-713>	 buh?
[19:31:43] <awight>	 stupid CRM worldpay audit job...
[19:31:47] <awight>	 debugging.  it's possible!
[19:31:50] <K4-713>	 I think I just couldn't see anything.
[19:32:01] <K4-713>	 :)
[19:34:22] <awight>	 Yeah I just remember, last time I was in there it was like I grabbed the wrong suitcase at the airport
[19:40:27] <awight>	 Anyone have a second to CR https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/177713/ and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/177707/
[19:49:13] <awight>	 pizzzacat: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/AB_brainstorming
[19:55:35] <pizzzacat>	 this is awight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND7yJ7sMosk
[20:03:21] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Fix asymptote in $/sec graph [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177869
[20:04:34] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS2) Ejegg: Fix asymptote in $/sec graph [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177869
[20:05:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] give baby SmashPig our family vendor name [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/177707 (owner: Awight)
[20:08:04] <AndyRussG>	 now it sez 1,440,000 results
[20:08:20] <awight>	 AndyRussG: still going up?
[20:08:48] <AndyRussG>	 well it seemed to have gone down a bit again and now it's up again
[20:15:06] <awight>	 atgo: i forwarded my last email re: reporting backporting, in case that make anything clear.
[20:15:15] <awight>	 ah just got yr reply.
[20:16:05] <awight>	 atgo: I don't have expectations for the call, the only thing I want is to hear any real argument for "backport now"
[20:16:27] <atgo>	 backport to 4.4?
[20:16:37] <atgo>	 so that we can get this in their hands
[20:18:07] <awight>	 atgo: my point is that it's a red herring.  there is no iteration until we've deployed.  they're currently building on 4.5, which is essentially the same as 4.4, and we're upgrading to that in January
[20:18:18] <AndyRussG>	 ejegg: http://meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:CentralNotice&method=listNoticeDetail&notice=CN+browser+tests
[20:18:22] <atgo>	 we're going to 4.4 or 4.5?
[20:18:24] <atgo>	 i thought 4.4
[20:18:24] <awight>	 So there's really no backporting issue
[20:18:27] <atgo>	 ahh
[20:18:28] <awight>	 4.4.
[20:18:41] <atgo>	 so if it's in 4.5, it should take minimal effort to get it to 4.4
[20:18:43] <atgo>	 ?
[20:18:51] <awight>	 on the other hand, if they aren't targeting master, we are left with a huge effort to merge to trunk
[20:18:59] <awight>	 because nobody is interested anymore.
[20:19:12] <awight>	 I'd rather have merge to trunk work done up front, by the contractor.
[20:19:24] <awight>	 we can iterate on staging, right?
[20:19:26] <AndyRussG>	 atgo: awight: ejegg: K4-713: pizzzacat: BTW, are we still doing a team lunch? Just wondering... :)
[20:19:38] <K4-713>	 Yes
[20:19:44] <K4-713>	 ...any minute now.
[20:19:48] <AndyRussG>	 cool!
[20:20:04] <awight>	 atgo: ok sorry to wear this out but ^^ if we want to iterate, we can already iterate.
[20:20:11] * AndyRussG 's stomach rumbles in happiness
[20:20:17] <atgo>	 yeah i see what you're saying
[20:20:22] <atgo>	 but MG isn't going to work in staging
[20:20:32] <atgo>	 so we won't get real feedback/usage there
[20:20:54] <awight>	 atgo: exactly--the difference they are talking about is between iterating in reality, and iterating in demos.  It's just not worth risking failure of the entire project...
[20:21:18] <atgo>	 what would failure be?
[20:21:20] <atgo>	 i'm confuse
[20:21:21] <atgo>	 d
[20:21:41] <awight>	 They'll have something *worth* upgrading to next year, and by that time the backport effort will be  negligible
[20:21:52] <awight>	 failure would be not allocating resources to merge to trunk.
[20:21:57] <awight>	 at which point we lose the feature.
[22:27:29] <pizzzacat>	 for some reason my sqldump keeps hanging and I don't know why… it's always worked before today
[23:52:47] <AndyRussG>	 atgo_: thanks for reminding and insisting about the Optimizely meeting, it was really interesting
[23:53:12] <AndyRussG>	 awight: anytime you'd like to chat about tests, pls let me know? thanks!
[23:59:12] <AndyRussG>	 K4-713: awight: Jeff_Green: anyone know the Google search issue status? The numbers now seem to be going up
[23:59:22] <K4-713>	 AndyRussG: New news there.
[23:59:28] <K4-713>	 That number is irrelevant.
[23:59:32] <AndyRussG>	 Ahhh OK
[23:59:48] <AndyRussG>	 Yeah you had said that you were pretty sure it was
[23:59:50] <K4-713>	 The thing we should be looking for, is basically impossible to spot.