[00:10:55] <K4-713>	 !log updated payments settings
[00:11:02] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[00:34:14] <pizzzacat>	 relevant to some of your interests: https://doughbies.co/?utm_source=PH
[00:35:45] <K4-713>	 oho
[00:36:58] <ejegg>	 aww, nothing near me
[00:52:26] <pizzzacat>	 back in my day we called that startup "your mom"
[00:53:05] <pizzzacat>	 or in my case "your neighbor's mom" because my mom would never make cookies
[01:43:22] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] "Hooray for less-ugly organization of ugly code :)" [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183181 (owner: Awight)
[01:46:37] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Split test adapters into a file per class [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183181 (owner: Awight)
[01:46:58] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Split test gateway forms into a single file per class [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183182 (owner: Awight)
[01:47:13] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Split test gateway forms into a single file per class [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183182 (owner: Awight)
[02:08:05] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: -1] "I like this direction! But still WIP?" (2 comments) [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63823 (owner: Awight)
[02:17:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] "Looks like most of these windows aren't exposed on our fortress, but still nice to have em patched" [core] (fundraising/REL1_23) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183167 (owner: Awight)
[02:19:38] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [V: 2] "Looks like most of these windows aren't exposed on our fortress, but still nice to have em patched" [core] (fundraising/REL1_23) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183167 (owner: Awight)
[02:38:09] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: -1] "I think this comment is inaccurate. It sure looks like those are the db IDs" [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163133 (owner: Awight)
[02:40:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] We don't actually depend on the devel module. Remove it. [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183149 (owner: Awight)
[02:41:54] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] Add Adyen and WorldPay to reconciliation search criteria [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/112941 (owner: Awight)
[03:04:55] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: "Oh, man... we're using it like it is, with inaccurate results. Looks like the fetchAllAssoc with the orderBy is sorting everything except" [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163133 (owner: Awight)
[17:27:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Differentiate delete buttons for large donation [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183542
[17:28:29] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: "So, they /are/ database IDs. The delete button was acting on the wrong threshold because of this: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183542" [wikimedia/fundraising/crm] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/163133 (owner: Awight)
[17:31:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: 2] sort fields [wikimedia/fundraising/SmashPig] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/164395 (owner: Awight)
[17:34:07] <atgo>	 hey awight :)
[17:34:16] <awight>	 atgo: morning!
[17:34:44] <atgo>	 how's it going?
[17:34:52] <awight>	 ejegg: no, not db IDs but UI ids
[17:35:03] <awight>	 atgo: I'm... refactoring DonationInterface :p
[17:35:11] <atgo>	 haha
[17:35:16] <awight>	 Thanks for testing Israel!
[17:35:20] <atgo>	 no problem!
[17:35:28] <atgo>	 so that one seems to wokr, but NZ and GB don't
[17:35:45] <awight>	 I guess I should still test with my card, cos there were some hints that my debitness was the real issue.
[17:35:51] <awight>	 ah
[17:35:52] <atgo>	 hm.. maybe
[17:35:58] <awight>	 ok iz all borken then
[17:36:18] <atgo>	 the weird thing about GB is that in fredge it's saying the country is US
[17:36:23] <awight>	 whoa
[17:36:25] <atgo>	 hang on.. let me see if i can figure out how to do things again
[17:36:42] <awight>	 I wonder if that causes fraud points
[17:36:50] <awight>	 as well as just being wrong
[17:36:57] <atgo>	 well we are processing, but it's not coming back from gc
[17:37:03] <atgo>	 | 5353300 |                 25488914 | worldpay | 25488914.0 |                | process           | failed                | cc             | visa-debit        | US      |      3 | GBP
[17:37:14] <ejegg>	 awight: the HTML ids are all built with the UI ids.  The visible numbers are purely sequential UI ids, but the input ids are all db ids
[17:37:18] <atgo>	 i tried to sql yesterday :P
[17:37:20] <ejegg>	 blah
[17:37:34] <ejegg>	 i meant the HTML ids are all built with the DB ids.
[17:39:07] <awight>	 ejegg: I see what u mean.  I should improve the comment in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/163133 to explain that I felt it necessary to introduce two different numerical IDs
[17:39:19] <awight>	 why the hell do I do that.  the UI should have freeform string IDs
[17:42:06] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ssmith: [C: 2] Ignore the dist/ directory on the master branch [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/176847 (owner: Awight)
[17:42:21] <awight>	 pizzzacat: thanks!
[17:42:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Ignore the dist/ directory on the master branch [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/176847 (owner: Awight)
[17:43:08] <atgo>	 awight: do you need any more info from me to help with WP?
[17:43:36] <awight>	 atgo: what is currently first priority?  We're still waiting for action from there side, to explain the CVN issues.
[17:43:38] <pizzzacat>	 awight: :) super tough patch to review
[17:43:44] * awight reddens.  "their"
[17:43:54] <atgo>	 oh awight they responded
[17:44:08] <awight>	 pizzzacat: haha.  At least you didn't embarrass me with comments :D
[17:44:19] <awight>	 atgo: me looks
[17:45:08] <awight>	 atgo: got it
[17:45:24] <awight>	 He even explained why :)
[17:46:54] <atgo>	 woo!
[17:47:00] <K4-713>	 ...woo?
[17:47:11] <K4-713>	 Was it me?
[17:47:15] <atgo>	 awight got an email from wordlpay :P
[17:47:19] <K4-713>	 Woo!
[17:47:48] <K4-713>	 Remind me to write a bot that cheers when anybody on the team signs on.
[17:47:59] <atgo>	 hehe that would be super
[17:48:51] <K4-713>	 Or says things like "We're SAVED!" or "THANK GOODNESS YOU'RE HERE."
[17:49:02] <awight>	 K4-713: can we have individualized fight songs?
[17:49:07] <K4-713>	 Hell yes.
[17:49:38] <awight>	 you know... there would be little remaining reason to WFH if we could have loud music and kids.
[17:50:02] <K4-713>	 I have another friend that wrote a bot that screams whenever somebody in their channel says the (randomized from a list) word of the day.
[17:50:35] <K4-713>	 So, they'd just be chatting away until somebody says "stakeholder"...
[17:50:40] <K4-713>	 AAAAARGH!
[17:51:03] <K4-713>	 No explanaiton.
[17:51:10] <K4-713>	 ...no explanation either.
[17:51:16] <K4-713>	 :/
[17:51:20] <awight>	 yes that made a big impression on me
[17:51:26] <K4-713>	 awight: I had something I wanted to talk to you about.
[17:51:33] <awight>	 I did see a few Pee Wee's episodes
[17:51:36] <awight>	 K4-713: si
[17:51:37] <K4-713>	 The funny thing is, I'm not entirely sure what it was.
[17:51:41] <awight>	 d'oh!
[17:51:49] <K4-713>	 I think it has to do with the slugfest on the calendar today.
[17:52:00] <awight>	 We could have public IRC "tea w/ drama"
[17:52:36] <K4-713>	 Too bad you're not going to be in the room for that one... we're deciding what we can cram in for the next three weeks of relative quiet.
[17:52:56] <awight>	 Let's... etherpad?
[17:53:03] <K4-713>	 We already wiki'd.
[17:53:06] <awight>	 btw, it's been great to have the outline wiki'd
[17:53:07] <awight>	 I saw
[17:53:17] <awight>	 thanks, really easy to follow the way you fixed it!
[17:53:25] <K4-713>	 Woot.
[17:53:35] * awight sneaks off to implement the plan
[17:53:39] <K4-713>	 So, yeah: Think about what grinds the most gears.
[17:53:45] <K4-713>	 ...that we can do in three weeks.
[17:54:01] <K4-713>	 I do sort of want to save the actual slugfest for the meeting.
[17:54:05] <awight>	 I am severing the wires between UI and Adapters
[17:54:11] <K4-713>	 orly
[17:54:15] <awight>	 that is all.
[17:54:18] <K4-713>	 I will be very interested to see how that ends up.
[17:54:23] <ejegg>	 awight: we need a crm part of the 'kill original_' project too, right?
[17:54:24] <awight>	 Happy to personally rank things, though.
[17:54:38] <awight>	 ejegg: sure, it's the last thing to do, though
[17:54:40] <K4-713>	 ...because data validation is a serious PITA when all the 3rd parties have different rules.
[17:54:43] <ejegg>	 ok, cool
[17:55:08] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Killmoar original_ [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183547
[17:55:13] <awight>	 .. anything else that receives data flow from the queues?
[17:55:19] <K4-713>	 :)
[17:55:26] <K4-713>	 That's a serious contender.
[17:55:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Awight: [C: 2] Killmoar original_ [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183547 (owner: Ejegg)
[17:56:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (Merged) jenkins-bot: Killmoar original_ [wikimedia/fundraising/tools] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183547 (owner: Ejegg)
[17:56:17] <K4-713>	 I think the one thing we have that's a total lock, is the kind of form refactoring that pizzzacat would be in charge of.
[17:56:29] <K4-713>	 Everything else is up for spirited debate.
[17:57:07] <K4-713>	 And, it's going to be fun trying not to land eachother in merge hell while we do this.
[17:57:25] <awight>	 ejegg: see the card, I think the CRM patch should warn as well as kill
[17:58:30] <ejegg>	 OK, but there are a few places in CRM that depend on original_ fields in messages now.  Deployment may need to be a bit of a tango
[17:59:10] <pizzzacat>	 K4-713: coffeetown USA?
[17:59:22] <K4-713>	 yep!
[18:01:49] <atgo>	 awight: FYI while you were gone...
[18:03:38] <atgo>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/sprint/board/994/
[18:05:02] <atgo>	 so stop using mingle :P
[18:05:03] <ejegg>	 New rule: all band names starting with A refer to the same sprint
[18:05:35] <ejegg>	 So we can mix the playlist up a bit
[18:15:36] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS4) Ejegg: Create local user records on login [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183381
[18:24:22] <awight>	 atgo: oh GREAT.  just got the memo
[18:24:29] <atgo>	 :P
[18:25:29] <awight>	 Good call on alphabet-based organization btw.  GRabbit tried something like this just as I left, it developed into hilarious alliterations of code names :D
[18:53:53] <atgo>	 yay!
[18:53:56] <atgo>	 it's more fun
[18:57:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: -1] "db error handling is getting ugly with all the nesting and callbacks. will try wrapping query method in promises" [wikimedia/fundraising/dash] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183381 (owner: Ejegg)
[19:09:50] <atgo>	 hey ejegg (when) are you going to be in town for all hands?
[19:10:17] <atgo>	 also... guys... the east coast is cold.
[19:10:20] <ejegg>	 good question!  Let me check (and put it on my calendar)
[19:10:37] <K4-713>	 Hooray for accurate calendars.
[19:10:37] <ejegg>	 OMG so cold right now
[19:10:54] <K4-713>	 ejegg: Also, we have a checkin in 20 minutes, and I actually have stuff this time.
[19:11:00] <ejegg>	 OK, cool
[19:11:18] <ejegg>	 I'll be on the call in 20
[19:11:27] <K4-713>	 Groovy. :)
[19:13:00] <ejegg>	 atgo: 1/20 - 1/28
[19:13:14] <atgo>	 rad!
[19:25:57] <atgo>	 awight: fwiw, i was able to donate to israel
[19:35:31] <awight>	 atgo: hum.  Okay, let's green light this thing in IL, then.  Would you mind testing the remaining countries, if you haven't already?
[19:35:43] <atgo>	 i did yesterday
[19:35:47] <atgo>	 that's what i was saying earlier
[19:35:55] <awight>	 so nothing else works, you said?
[19:36:04] <atgo>	 check out oid 25488914.0
[19:36:08] <atgo>	 that should've been GB
[19:36:12] <awight>	 cool
[19:36:17] <atgo>	 and 25488827.0 NZ
[19:36:31] <awight>	 but it looks like US, whee!  I would call that borken
[19:36:32] <atgo>	 yeah i know... weird
[19:36:37] <atgo>	 but the NZ one is NZ/NZD
[19:36:37] <awight>	 oh, you were successful in NZ?
[19:36:43] <atgo>	 no it failed
[19:36:50] <atgo>	 on WP's side
[19:37:04] <awight>	 ok thx
[19:43:05] <awight>	 atgo: I can't find 25488914 or 25488827 anywhere in the payments logs.  I don't know what that means, maybe I should start drinking coffee.
[19:43:16] <atgo>	 ha... that is super weird
[19:43:45] <atgo>	 here's the "id" from payments_initial in fredge 5353248
[19:43:52] <atgo>	 that's for NZ
[19:44:06] <atgo>	 awight: select * from payments_initial where gateway = 'worldpay' order by id desc limit 10;
[19:44:13] <awight>	 I see it stuff in the db... just no logs
[19:44:33] <awight>	 there's a contribution_tracking entry, but no contribution
[19:45:42] <awight>	 oops, of course there's no contribution.  GC allegedly fails :)
[19:45:55] <awight>	 Did K4|meeting check that for you yesterday?
[19:46:07] <K4|meeting>	 hur?
[19:46:16] <awight>	 K4|meeting: I'm seeing things
[19:46:39] <awight>	 atgo is giving me ctids from yesterday, and I can't find in any WP logs
[19:47:21] <awight>	 K4|meeting: did you find logs for the GB donation attempt that looks like it's from the US?
[19:48:12] <awight>	 Just wondering why atgo said that "well we are processing, but it's not coming back from gc"
[19:48:31] <awight>	 sounds like you did sleuthing already?
[19:48:44] <K4|meeting>	 awight: Ah, I was totally unhelpful for that one.
[19:48:47] <K4|meeting>	 So far.
[19:48:50] <awight>	 me too.
[19:48:51] <atgo>	 oh because (and maybe i'm full of it) the column validation_action says "process" and then "payments_final_status" says failed
[19:48:52] <awight>	 ok thx
[19:49:08] <atgo>	 i thought that K4|meeting had said that the valid... was us and the paym... was WP
[19:49:08] <awight>	 atgo: ok sorry for the public shaming!
[19:49:12] <atgo>	 no worries :
[19:49:13] <atgo>	 :)
[19:49:16] <atgo>	 i know nothing
[19:49:59] <K4|meeting>	 ...wait.
[19:50:12] <K4|meeting>	 We didn't start defaulting to US for the sake of amazon, did we?
[19:50:21] <awight>	 wat
[19:50:24] <awight>	 I'll look
[19:50:35] <K4|meeting>	 Oh, hang on. I think that's nonsense.
[19:51:06] <K4|meeting>	 We'd have to default to US in q2civi, which is... so far downstream of the payments logs I'm embarrassing myself.
[19:51:28] <K4|meeting>	 Because amazon's issue was sending no country back in their update messages.
[19:51:32] <K4|meeting>	 Sometimes.
[19:51:55] <awight>	 K4|meeting: yeah we don't do such a thing from gateway_common or worldpay_adapter, at least.
[19:52:12] <K4|meeting>	 hurm.
[19:52:17] <K4|meeting>	 This is peculiar.
[19:52:26] <awight>	 If it makes you all feel better, not finding these transactions in the logs is making me at least as bewildered and embarrased as everyone else.
[19:52:32] <awight>	 maybe GC...
[19:52:32] <K4|meeting>	 Neat.
[19:52:41] <K4|meeting>	 haha, ah... wait.
[19:52:47] <K4|meeting>	 So, they're not in any of the logs?
[19:52:50] <awight>	 nope
[19:52:59] * K4|meeting squints
[19:53:12] <K4|meeting>	 How did we find them anywhere, then?
[19:53:46] <awight>	 that's what I'm saying
[19:53:51] <K4|meeting>	 ...
[19:54:14] <K4|meeting>	 Hang on, I'm going back to my desk to continue pulling on this mysteriousness.
[19:54:17] <awight>	 atgo is in the database \o/
[19:54:54] <atgo>	 from fredge!
[19:55:03] <atgo>	 here's the query: select * from payments_initial where gateway = 'worldpay' order by id desc limit 10;
[19:55:05] <awight>	 atgo: how did you find those IDs, though?
[19:55:07] <awight>	 oooh
[19:55:16] <atgo>	 k4 may have helped me
[19:55:59] <awight>	 atgo: well fwiw I agree with your work
[20:06:18] <K4-713>	 awight: I got lost.
[20:06:31] <K4-713>	 And now it's lunchtime.
[20:06:31] <awight>	 hehe
[20:06:34] <awight>	 5th floor?
[20:06:46] <K4-713>	 "*NOW* where am I?!?"
[20:06:57] <awight>	 no worries, I'm going to poke at this abcess a bit then do something else so I don't go crazy
[20:07:04] <K4-713>	 neat
[20:07:10] <K4-713>	 ...kbye
[20:09:02] <awight>	 Jeff_Green: I think I found a log-replication hole... or maybe I just don't understand where all the files live.
[20:09:29] <Jeff_Green>	 ok
[20:09:44] <awight>	 payments-worldpay-20150107.gz ends at Jan  6 22:11:41, but the active logfile starts at Jan 8
[20:10:00] <awight>	 actually, payments-initial is a better example cos it has constant traffic
[20:10:12] <Jeff_Green>	 where are you looking?
[20:10:32] <awight>	 pmming...
[20:15:43] <awight>	 K4|lunch: atgo-away: okay Jeff_Green talked me off the roof.  The log box is the correct place to look for rotated files, not the /archive nfs mounts on other machines.
[20:16:26] <Jeff_Green>	 fwiw,  /archive aren't nfs mounts. they're local copies that are periodically rsync'd
[20:16:43] <awight>	 ohwow. p2p
[20:16:45] <Jeff_Green>	 done that way for data redundancy
[20:16:59] <awight>	 you don't truts centralized servers? :p
[20:17:09] <Jeff_Green>	 true!
[20:17:21] <Jeff_Green>	 you can pretty much wildcard everything after trust in that statement
[20:17:37] <Jeff_Green>	 wait, actually I trust rsync. that could be my achilles heel
[20:18:14] <awight>	 hah/
[20:19:02] <awight>	 you have found a way to reconcile yrself with the final slash interpretation?
[20:19:11] <awight>	 I just try to ignore the pain
[20:19:30] <Jeff_Green>	 ha
[20:19:34] <awight>	 I don't want to be this angry at something I love
[20:19:59] <Jeff_Green>	 at least it's fairly consistent with the weirdness
[20:44:41] <awight>	 atgo-away: thanks for all the info--I've mailed WP with the failure details.
[20:44:44] <awight>	 K4|lunch: ^
[20:54:57] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: sprinkle comments [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183629
[20:54:59] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Awight: WIP make paymentmethod non-static [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183630
[20:55:16] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] sprinkle comments [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183629 (owner: Awight)
[20:55:43] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] WIP make paymentmethod non-static [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183630 (owner: Awight)
[21:02:38] <atgo-away>	 awesome!
[21:16:10] <awight>	 atgo: I should add new misc cards to "Fundraising Tech Backlog"
[21:16:10] <awight>	 ?
[21:16:19] <atgo>	 yeah!
[21:16:33] <atgo>	 we can make a board for them there for organizational purposes at some point, too
[21:16:39] <awight>	 it's looking really good.
[21:16:55] <awight>	 Can't wait to add a "Bug:" line to commits, too!
[21:17:06] <awight>	 viva la infrastructure!
[21:23:02] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS1) Ejegg: Add HK to Alipay form settings [core] (fundraising/REL1_23) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183640
[21:32:18] <pizzzacat>	 K4 and I are again tackling technical difficulties, please stand by
[22:30:22] <atgo>	 the more i think about it, the more i think it makes sense to have a planned place to start and then have blocked other tasks based on that
[22:31:07] <awight>	 that sounds good.
[23:01:17] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS10) Awight: Move more validation out of GatewayPage and into the adapter. [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63823 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86249)
[23:01:49] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) jenkins-bot: [V: -1] Move more validation out of GatewayPage and into the adapter. [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63823 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86249) (owner: Awight)
[23:02:37] <K4-713>	 atgo: Buh, how do I get a... points field.
[23:02:52] <atgo>	 yeah so that... can only happen if the task is in a project that is a sprint
[23:03:04] <atgo>	 which i've already asked them to change
[23:03:21] <atgo>	 we can just make the project a sprint though if that's helpful
[23:04:18] <K4-713>	 Awrf.
[23:04:30] <K4-713>	 Well... would it hurt anything?
[23:09:47] <atgo>	 nope i don't think so.. it does make loading run slower but they're planning on a fix for that already
[23:09:50] <atgo>	 i'll do that
[23:10:14] <grrrit-wm>	 (PS11) Awight: Move more validation out of GatewayPage and into the adapter. [extensions/DonationInterface] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/63823 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86249)
[23:12:53] <atgo>	 ooh that tagging the other task thing was awesome
[23:14:51] <atgo>	 god making it a sprint makes it so much slower
[23:15:16] <awight>	 the mingle sauce...
[23:15:53] * atgo hangs head
[23:16:02] <atgo>	 anyway, now you can add story points
[23:20:54] <K4-713>	 atgo: I was about to ask: Wait, is it the sprint extension that's pouring wet concrete all over the place?
[23:20:57] <K4-713>	 ...yes. Yes it is.
[23:21:03] <atgo>	 yeah it's annoying
[23:21:06] <atgo>	 hmmm...
[23:21:07] <K4-713>	 fff
[23:21:11] <K4-713>	 Oh well.
[23:21:20] <K4-713>	 I'll just be reloading it all the time in some other tab.
[23:21:32] <K4-713>	 I'm sure that will help with, you know, overall performance. :D
[23:21:34] <atgo>	 hahaha
[23:21:43] <atgo>	 yeah i'm following the bug about it so we'll see what happens
[23:22:01] <atgo>	 apparently they've got a fix but they're trying to define a process for deployment
[23:22:29] <atgo>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78679
[23:32:09] <atgo>	 i wonder if there's some way we could trick it...
[23:34:40] <grrrit-wm>	 (CR) Ejegg: [C: -1] "Don't merge yet, trying out a more featureful promise library" [wikimedia/fundraising/dash/node_modules] - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/183378 (owner: Ejegg)
[23:38:02] <K4-713>	 atgo: Trick it into not sucking?
[23:38:09] * K4-713 looks skeptical
[23:38:15] <atgo>	 yeah
[23:38:19] <atgo>	 so like.. hang on. let me play
[23:38:26] <K4-713>	 I'm in no hurry.
[23:38:35] <K4-713>	 Weird.
[23:40:10] <atgo>	 so.. here's a (very big PITA) way
[23:40:34] <atgo>	 we could make this project not a sprint, but assign the tasks into another project that is a sprint
[23:40:45] <atgo>	 then the tasks still have the property, but it's not slowed down
[23:41:06] <atgo>	 for example, if you go to the fundraising backlog board it's all zippy
[23:41:06] <atgo>	 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/41/
[23:41:08] <awight>	 I'm glad that nobody else is interested in the overhead of estimating how difficult tasks are
[23:42:07] <atgo>	 i think it makes sense to do roughly when we're pulling them into the workflow, but not suuuper far in advance, since the estimate could change a lot if the surrounding code changes...
[23:42:41] <atgo>	 but anyway, if you look at that board and then look at T86097, it has points on it
[23:43:31] <atgo>	 but the whole project isn't slowed
[23:46:08] <K4-713>	 awight: :p
[23:46:57] <K4-713>	 Don't you know, that when you estimate something, ***you might get caught being wrong in public?!?***
[23:47:26] <awight>	 hehehe
[23:47:35] <awight>	 actually I am an authority on this
[23:47:36] <K4-713>	 And then it's all dogs and cats living together.
[23:48:33] <awight>	 If I were WFO, I would show you something really weird.
[23:48:59] <awight>	 I can't get any debug statements to prove that we ever call executeIframeForCreditCard in the GC page class.
[23:49:07] <awight>	 but... we do
[23:49:23] <K4-713>	 Hey, that's cool.
[23:49:58] <awight>	 Pretty soon, all of our code will execute non-deterministically
[23:50:12] <K4-713>	 Outed.
[23:50:34] <K4-713>	 It's because I did that merge across alternate dimensions, isn't it?
[23:51:04] <awight>	 but they calculated such a low chance of the Earth being swallowed up into a black hole...
[23:51:06] <K4-713>	 Could do an ajax call to a slightly different reality now.
[23:51:19] <K4-713>	 Hopefully it's one that has good credit card security.
[23:51:43] <K4-713>	 ...oops, gotta go.
[23:51:49] <K4-713>	 Good luck with that.
[23:52:03] <K4-713>	 I don't think I'm going to get back in a useful way.
[23:52:18] <K4-713>	 It's one long meeting and then exit stage left.
[23:52:26] <K4-713>	 So... see you all tomorrow, I guess.