[00:10:31] <ejegg>	 eileen: OK, so for the subscription expired / eot messages, we do set an 'end date' for the contribution recur record
[00:10:43] <ejegg>	 even if we don't change the actual status
[00:11:21] <eileen>	 ejegg: yeah - what do you think - should we record a cancel_reason - I feel like we just got the ‘right’ field added & then bastardised it
[00:11:54] <ejegg>	 hmm, so you think 'cancel_reason' shouldn't apply to 'expired' ?
[00:12:02] <ejegg>	 since it's not technically a cancel?
[00:12:51] <eileen>	 ejegg: well it feels wrong - but I’m not sure I have a better idea
[00:13:24] <eileen>	 If I think about core - normally a recurring would be in progress until all contributions are received
[00:13:31] <eileen>	 & then it would go to Completed
[00:13:58] <eileen>	 BUT - I think when a user cancels them ‘I’ve paid enough’  it would be ‘cancelled’
[00:14:21] <eileen>	 Whereas if we just stop getting their payments that means - their card has expired?
[00:14:25] <ejegg>	 are time-limited recurring donations popular somewhere?
[00:14:46] <ejegg>	 I never see a number of installments on recurring ask forms
[00:15:54] <eileen>	 hmm - tbh I think they are often used in slightly custom ways - the hundertwasser art centre does time limit them because the goal is to get $50 * $10 payments
[00:17:37] <eileen>	 I guess if there is no ‘right’ answer then cancel_reason is fine
[00:18:48] <ejegg>	 So I could see cancel_reason being used to record people's complaints
[00:19:33] <ejegg>	 Are there actually enough different statuses for us to get the stats we need just by setting those correctly?
[00:22:54] <eileen>	 so currently we have
[00:23:01] <eileen>	 - automated of some sort
[00:23:07] <eileen>	 - random text
[00:23:16] <ejegg>	 oh shoot, I need to run!
[00:23:22] <eileen>	 which I *think* is what the phab asked for - i.e how many are automated
[17:00:37] <wikibugs>	 Fundraising-Backlog: donate.wiki: fix visible template for recurring link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221885 (Pcoombe) Some of them (including English) were already using a shared link stored at https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Ways_to_Give/monthlyUrl. I've updated the rest to use this as...
[17:33:39] <wikibugs>	 Fundraising-Backlog: donate.wiki: fix visible template for recurring link - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T221885 (MBeat33) Open→Resolved a:MBeat33 Many thanks, @Pcoombe