[16:06:31] hello all [16:06:48] Is wmin EC election candidates chat on? [16:07:19] hello [16:07:33] Hi All [16:08:47] IRC was planned to faclitate online Q&A between candidates and members [16:09:11] Election talk page can also be used for offline Q&A [16:09:40] @srinivas the query was... Is the IRC on? [16:10:32] IRC channel is open for candidates and members [16:10:45] Participation is very low though as of now [16:11:53] I thought the Elecom would open and chair the IRC [16:12:08] what role are you playing @srinivas [16:12:19] I am part of the elecom [16:12:45] Arun, DBS is one of the three members of the Elecom [16:13:07] then my humble request to you is to get the candidates mandatorily for the IRC [16:13:27] I didnt see any reminder to members are well on this chat on the member slist [16:13:47] there is no point in the chat if we have no quorum [16:13:57] @srinivas I am sure you would agree [16:14:22] we dont even hyave the elecom and current EC members [16:14:28] Yes. . We could have sent reminder. However these dates have been published and the channel is available for candidates and members to interact [16:14:33] I suggest we postpone this by two more days and re-run the IRC with some reminders. [16:14:54] Not that elecom role was primarily important for first IRC with candidates [16:15:05] @srinivas should we not atleast have the full elecom on the IRC then? [16:15:06] = Note [16:15:22] Pavithra is on medical emergency [16:15:37] I feel it is a elecom responsibility to facilitate this forum [16:15:38] I am not sure of Anivar. [16:15:45] That is how it has run in the past [16:15:46] I am joining to represent [16:16:09] Let's not make any blame game. Sorry to those who already are here, but Let's do it in two days time, again. [16:16:20] @srinivas sir let us please reconvene given that we dont have a quorum [16:16:21] As I mentioned , this second IRC is primarly for candodates and members . [16:16:47] @srinivas the elecom must make IRC participation mandatory for candidates [16:16:51] Any suggestion for time and date [16:16:58] It can surely be optional [16:17:21] oops I meant to say it cant be optional [16:17:32] next monday [16:17:34] Yes Srinivas, But It would be nicer if all Candidates , all EleCom & All EC members (at least most of all of them) are present. [16:17:51] IRC is just a medium for candidates to interact and answer questions. [16:17:51] with adequate reminders [16:18:08] From Elecom, we have also suggested to use the TalkElections page [16:18:26] Adequate reminders is fine. But making a fixed time IRC mandatory may not be fair. [16:18:39] Unlike the Wiki pages. [16:18:52] The elecom must mandate that candidates are on this IRC for members to intercat [16:19:12] * Saqib from Pakistan waves all [16:19:29] @viswa members have right to intercat with candidates to know the better [16:19:34] since people are busy, fixed time is not suitable for all. [16:19:37] It cant be choice [16:19:40] All from India waves Saqib too :) [16:19:46] @srinivas dont agree [16:19:47] great. thanks [16:20:00] @srinivas let us then propose a time that works for all candidates [16:20:06] and date too [16:20:45] @srinivas quite disappointed that even the elecom feels IRC is optional [16:21:09] This is just my opinion [16:21:10] i dont think this is being taken seriously by anyone :-( [16:21:18] :) [16:21:35] We can suggest another time for IRC . [16:21:51] let us first get the process clear [16:21:59] As member I feel the IRC is not optional [16:22:01] However, cannot mediate on which timeslot is suitable or best for all [16:22:06] Candidates must particpate and take questions [16:22:21] Timing has been published on talk elections page [16:22:36] if elecom cant mediate what is their brief? [16:22:39] Agree that candidates must participate [16:22:46] Do you expect members to do that? [16:23:10] then why cant the elecom mandate it [16:23:11] As I mentioned 2nd IRc is between candidates and members to ask questions [16:23:22] DBS, I suggest we reschedule, send reminders to India List as well as Member's group, and individually to each candidates too. [16:23:28] Elecom and EC had a major role for first IRC [16:23:37] @srinivas it ought be facilitated by the elecom [16:23:56] As elecom, we have decided to use the talk election page for communication [16:23:56] then the elecom must take over and run this whole process [16:23:59] But yet, it may be proper to have EleCom and EC just oversees such IRC. [16:24:15] I agree with viswa [16:24:22] @srinivas Here we go again [16:24:27] Candidates shoulld find it important to join [16:24:32] the IRC is not an optional forum [16:25:13] I certainly agree that Candidates should act responsibly. However, it may be that we could have sent some reminders. [16:25:15] @srinivas where can be raise objhections to elecom approach to the elections? [16:25:24] So, let's just do it again [16:25:35] You can please post your comments on TalkElections page [16:25:49] Arun, please do! [16:26:02] I disagree with your position on the iRC chat being dependent on "candidates finding it important to join" [16:26:24] But still, I suggest let us not be harsh on anyone. [16:26:34] If canadidates find engaging members and sharing their positions on issues optional then why do they need to stand for elections? [16:26:44] There is also a page available for members to post questions to candidates offline [16:26:45] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Elections2014/Nominations/Q%26A [16:27:03] And more so how can the elecom take such a position. Very surprised and troubled by that position, [16:27:18] sorry offline != online IRC chat [16:27:53] @arunram, IRC is just one of the mediums for candidates to interact with members [16:28:04] the elcom needs to get clarity on its process. earlier in this chat you disclaimed and say it was your individual opinion [16:28:12] Yes [16:28:26] @srinivas Are you speaking in personal capacity or representing the elecom [16:28:51] Elecom has encouraged the use of the Election page for Q&A [16:29:12] @srinivas this is not my first election as a member and I have seen earlier elecoms conduct these elections [16:29:36] IRC wasnt always important for members to better understand candidates [16:29:55] @arunram. I am aware and acknowledge your experience with this [16:30:25] it is not about my experience but about the seriousness elecom is attaching to the IRC forum [16:31:12] @srinivas where can be raise objections to elecom approach to the election process? (my query is around the IRC forum) [16:31:19] Hi Netha! Are you here? [16:31:43] Yes, I am here [16:32:07] You can please note your questions on the page http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Talk:Elections2014 [16:32:51] :) Good to see a fellow-candidate :) [16:32:58] ok thanks, will do [16:33:06] what next sir? [16:33:34] I suggest we meet again on IRC, a bit better planned and reminded, and very soon. [16:33:55] There are a couple of candidates here. If you can suggest another timeslot for IRC, will update the same [16:34:35] I agree with Viswa, but whoever has a question now should be allowed to ask them now. I am ready to take questions. I guess Viswa can take questions too. [16:34:36] @srinivas can you please drive the IRC? [16:34:58] I am here to facilitate. [16:35:32] members can go ahead and ask questions to the candidates. [16:35:43] @Netha the point is as a member I would like the elecom to faciliate members to interatc with all candidates [16:36:04] my queries would perhaps be directed to all candidates than just the two of you [16:36:38] I am really nobody to suggest a timeslot on behalf of other candidates. But let's see the following limits: The ballots are just reaching the voters. Let's keep two days for that. Then the voters may take tentatively a few days to vote too. Until 10th we have the QA session opene. At the end of that would be a good time for the IRC. [16:36:38] else it gets disjointed [16:37:16] @arunram If you'd like to ask a question, I will answer your questions for today. unfortunately, many other candidates are not present, so you might want to ask them again at a later time :-( [16:37:24] @srinivas As member I would request elecom to move this to Monday. That would give time for all to plan. I suggest 9 PM IST. [16:37:56] @srinivas I request that elecom mandate that all candidates attend the IRC, If the date and time is not suitable we can agree on an alternate date [16:38:01] I second Arun. [16:38:11] Monday is 10th November. That should satisfy the QA conclusion date too. [16:38:13] good luck Netha [16:38:23] I too think that's a good date [16:38:25] and nice to see Karthik is also running for election [16:38:31] OK. Will update the schedule. [16:38:48] @srinivas I also suggest the elcom please send remidners to the member, candidates and EC each day for the last 2 days in the run up to the IRC [16:39:07] Please note that not all members are on the google group mailing list, hence any reminder might not reach all. [16:39:26] Hece Election page is still a primary means of communication [16:39:32] @srinivas I really think this is a elecom duty to ensure this forum is available to members [16:39:36] We can also put a remonder Banner on the chapter wiki. [16:39:40] It would be good to send personal mails to all, bcc-ing each person. [16:39:40] *reminder [16:40:23] We will need support from current EC for the mailers to personal emails. This is not available to Elecom. [16:40:35] @srinivas As a member I would like to know how the elecom decides what is the "process" for elections. How does the elecom make the determination if IRC is essential or not? [16:40:45] We had to spend a lot of effort to even get the member list [16:40:46] We shall consider if this possible [16:41:00] @srinivas ask for the contacts or ensure the staff send it CC you [16:41:34] I need to check back if there is documented process for IRC to be mandatory. [16:41:59] If so, apologise for the miss [16:42:38] It is definitely a good practice and medium for interaction [16:43:01] @srinivas internal difficulties should not come in the way of communication prior to a chat like this. My request is that either the elcom should do it or get it done by the EC or staff base don your judgement. [16:43:13] If I remember correctly, last two years too, the IRCs were not very participative. At the same time, it is no excuse to the candidates to be like what is today. :( [16:43:29] @srinivas no worries. do let us know if any help is needed. [16:43:38] :) [16:43:57] Smile all! Let's fix it and get back on Monday again [16:43:59] Can only request current EC to mail personally to members and candidates [16:44:24] We can put a new date on the timetable and send mail to the group alias [16:44:26] At least the Candidates mail IDs you must be knowing. [16:44:35] @srinivas if any help is needed from members like me to volunteer please ask. I have been doing my bit to support the Election process on the wiki already [16:44:47] If not, we shall let you know those anyway. [16:45:05] +we will see if we can send individual mails. [16:45:15] I do not have the IDs with me. [16:45:31] @srinivas Please ensure that candidates attend and take the IRC and member engagemenr seriously [16:46:20] Another way is to allow two separate time-slots so either one should be attended mandatorily by all candidates [16:46:36] I am not sure how Elecom can ensure participation. can only facilitate [16:47:01] I agree with DBS [16:47:52] @srinivas I have seen the elecom take firm positions on this election process on many matters. So why the reluctance to mandate candidate participation in the IRC? [16:48:06] OK. I suggest that we take the next step to announce another IRC on 10-Nov 9 PM [16:48:43] Can put a note that candidates need to attend [16:48:48] @srinivas as a member I feel elecom should ensure that members have a fair chance to know their future EC members. [16:49:23] @arunram, I agree with you on this. wish there was more seriousness to this [16:49:37] @srinivas IMHO the IRC is one important channel for that. So why cant the elecom facilitate that and mandate particpation as per election process? [16:50:33] @srinivas if elecom can pull up the EC to allow user registration despite spam why cant you do the same to insist candidates are required to join IRC as part of election process. [16:51:37] @srinivas Thanks for agreeing to move the date to a later date to allow better participation of EC, candidates and members. [16:52:06] welcome [16:52:20] I will update the schedule on the elections page right away [16:52:23] I think we should conclude with these general agreements for today. [16:52:45] @srinivas trust you dont mind my making these requests as I do really think it would help in members choosing the right candidates. [16:52:51] If EleCom wants to put a banner on the Chapter Wiki, please let us know [16:53:16] @srinivas thanks [16:54:25] Thanks everyone and appreciate your participation and patience [16:54:58] :) [16:56:26] I will await for the timing of the next IRC from EleCom. I hope to take questions and interact with the community members there. Let's aim at getting all candidates attend it. [16:56:35] Shall we disperse then? [16:57:18] Me too am fully willing to be subjected to any questions/queries in a wider set of candidates/ voters [16:57:33] Ideally, we should be here until 22:30. Three more minutes to go :-) [16:58:41] I have updated the time schedule with new IRC slot. [16:58:56] Additional communication can be sent before next IRC [16:59:41] @srinivas elecom needs to ensire someone sends these reminders. Nothing works without reminders from past experience [16:59:53] From EC, we will try to send a mailmerged memo to each member individually [17:00:19] I will personally send out a mail to the group alias. Request current EC to help with individual mails [17:00:40] OK [17:00:50] SOme folks only subscribe to weekly digests , so does not help much [17:01:00] @srinivas @viswa thanks [17:01:15] Thanks everyone [17:01:21] @arunram @srinivas @viswa Thanks everyone! [17:01:27] @srinivas we do our bit it is then up to the members then [17:01:42] @netha @viswa thanks for your time [17:01:55] @srinivas @netha let us ask you a general query [17:01:57] Some folks do not even get mails. They have chosen the option "Not any mails" [17:02:01] Thanks. We can formally close now. [17:02:18] @viswa @netha what is they most memorable moment of your association with wikimedia? [17:02:40] *the [17:02:40] WoW! What a great question! :) [17:03:13] @viswa though of giving an easy one to lighten the conversation ;-) [17:03:21] I think I had several of them. Some of them were even making me tears rolling down.... :) [17:03:25] *thought [17:03:31] @arunram : The day when I met around a hundred women in Mumbai, all eager and curious to learn to edit Wikipedia. That was in 2012. [17:03:55] @viswa the key word in my question is "most" (meaning only one) [17:04:13] @netha nice where was this? [17:05:01] It was at the Wikiwomen's Workshop in Mumbai. At least four editors from this workshop still keep in touch with me. [17:05:31] There is a person in Bangalore. One Chathurvedi ji. He is supposed to be at least 117 years old and is still on! He held me by his side and put his hands above my head and said, we are doing the right 'nishkama karma', (We mean Wikimedia volunteers) [17:06:19] @netha nice to know that, thanks [17:06:29] http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCEQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftimesofindia.indiatimes.com%2Fcity%2Fbangalore%2FIndias-oldest-man-swears-by-meditation-and-Vedas%2Farticleshow%2F4710788.cms&ei=7VhaVMPHLozmuQSR9oGYAQ&usg=AFQjCNFt5ER5GA8FShzTeuDE1CwxH5O2yg&sig2=Zb6XZqIUjzdxVFK5OKB-ug&bvm=bv.78677474,d.c2E [17:06:42] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudhakar_Chaturvedi [17:07:05] The 'tears rolling down' moment for me was when I found a picture of me with a quote of me pasted on the wall of the WM-IN office space at the CIS. I had been there with my mom, who told me later that she was proud to see me doing great things. [17:07:06] @viswa that must have been a very memorable thing indeed. By the way if he is 117 must be the oldest person alive [17:07:53] Yes, But people wants citations. And he is least interested in that and all anymore [17:08:25] His grand daughter is a grand mother, who were present at the CC meet-up at Bangalore. [17:08:29] ok @viswa @netha thanks for you responses to the query. Not that we have at least one query in suggest we close if @srinivas is fine [17:08:41] @srinivas over to you for formal closure [17:10:34] @srinivas [17:12:45] We can formally close this IRC . [17:13:02] Thank you Srinivas. [17:13:06] Due to lack of quorum, an additional IRC with candidates is planned for 10-Nov [17:13:15] And Thank you Arun, Netha and saqib [17:15:43] thanks @srinivas @netha @viswa [17:16:14] Shouldn't we keep a copy of this chatlines? [17:17:31] yes we should [17:17:43] I thought the moderator would take care of that