[13:02:05] anup [13:02:47] Yes, [13:02:52] i have started a bio [13:03:00] a minor copyedit required [13:03:04] can you please take a look [13:03:05] Link please.. [13:03:19] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Saqib/Geoffrey_Langlands [13:03:23] later i will move it to MS [13:03:27] main NS [13:03:27] Looking... [13:05:17] i am going to meet with this person in few day. and will take a photo [13:06:00] or otherwise will ask him via emaail to provide photo [13:06:26] Looks good at first glance, just should not be started with a wikilink (major).. Non-notable people names should be excluded, his twin brother and sister name per BLPNAME. [13:07:13] hmm [13:07:13] ok [13:07:15] Ah, better you click him, that'd be current and better image.. [13:07:37] so you mean his siblings name should be removed? [13:08:02] Yes, we generally do not include non-notable relatives names in their BIO. [13:08:08] ok [13:08:11] i will [13:08:44] Just being a relative of a notable person, they do not lose their right to privacy. -is the main concern. [13:08:54] hmm [13:09:07] Spouse, partner, father and mother names are OK. [13:09:13] not married [13:09:54] anyway thanks [13:10:35] date style, I think, we prefer making it, dd mm yyyy (british) instead mm dd yyyy (american style). [13:11:10] i c [13:11:11] got it [13:16:22] retired commander in British Army or British Indian Army? [13:22:06] hmm [13:22:20] let me check sources agains [13:22:58] actually i think none of the source tell about this [13:23:21] but he was major while in British Army [13:23:29] and then he transfered to India [13:23:59] "Now, at 94, Mr. Langlands, a former British colonial officer who retired with the rank of major, and a lifelong educator, is striking out on a fresh adventure: retirement." [13:24:17] this is what NYT says [13:25:57] I think, he was affiliated with British Army.. Not Indian one. [13:26:37] you talking about Service/branch in infobox ? [13:26:39] Well, all sources refer him as retired commander, we also say him so. A retired British major (instead commander) [13:26:49] retired major* [13:27:31] i am not getting it. can you please make some edits [13:27:38] Saqib : Yes, he worked for British Army, British Indian Army, Pakistani Army? [13:28:12] I'll be making some edits very soon.. [13:28:20] thanks [13:55:19] "transferred the leadership" ? [13:56:15] He was Principle there, he offered it someone else? I mean, he wasn't founder. He was Principle and after suffering a stroke in his old days, he retired, right? [13:56:42] ping Saqib, [13:57:17] yes [13:57:19] retired [13:57:31] perhaps leadership term is not correct [13:57:57] Why do newspapers ask subscription? It sucks! [13:58:32] yes one [13:59:44] after suffering s stroke in 2008, he took retirement (in 2012?).. [14:00:30] after suffering a stroke, first in 2008, took retirement at the age of 94, in September 2012.. [14:00:53] yes [14:01:05] let me c it again [14:01:32] Out of interest, Shahid Afridi is hitting big sixes on Ten Cricket. [14:01:45] Aw! again.. [14:02:12] hmm [14:02:29] Yes, OUT! now.. [14:02:38] i am watching news actually [14:02:43] good [14:03:04] He was in hand at boundary, in previous ball.. This one didnt go at length.. [14:04:17] I've made some edits, I think, I'll lost them if attempt to save them to due to an obvious "edit-conflict" with you.. [14:04:51] please save. [14:05:32] You've not edited the page in the meanwhile? [14:05:56] nop [14:11:35] Okay, saving now. Sorry, If I messed-up something. [14:11:53] np [14:12:00] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASaqib%2FGeoffrey_Langlands&diff=cur&oldid=prev [14:12:05] Diff. link [14:13:22] looks good [14:13:26] btw one question [14:13:43] Yes, please.. [14:13:51] all of the ref provided tell the same thing . i mean his bio [14:14:11] is it okay to have all ? [14:14:24] Yes, why not.. [14:14:45] Let me look on Highbeam and JSTOR for more sources.. [14:16:57] and is it okay to place reference as they are now.. some in lead. some in early life section and career [14:16:57] Found 3 three on Highbeam, one 0f them says, he retired at the age of 95, not 94. ("British Headmaster Retires in Pakistan at Age 95") --Eastern Eye newspaper, Chicago. [14:17:23] yes conflicting sources [14:17:32] Ideally, there should be no references in the lead of the article. It should all be in the body of the article... [14:17:53] i recall i found a source saying his father died after his sister died [14:18:02] Lead is supposed to be a summary of all what is in the body of the article, so it's already cited in the body.. no need of refs in lead. [14:18:33] i c [14:18:54] so in that case i will move the ref in body [14:18:55] Many newspapers, publishes re-prints and don't their own research.. We should go for more reliable one. [14:19:02] ok [14:19:37] but i think current provided sources are both reliable so should be kept [14:19:55] both reliable and indepedent * [14:21:45] There, I think, there a section on 'Recognition" should be appropriate and created.. [14:22:14] and what will be mentioned in that sec? [14:22:16] awards ? [14:22:43] Major Langlands was awarded the CMG in the Queens Birthday Honours[..] [14:22:48] on his 93 b'day [14:23:00] hmm [14:23:23] A summary of his achievements.. accolades, etc.. may be. [14:23:36] Or just a 5 dotted list.. [14:23:55] hmm ok [14:23:58] i will work on it [14:24:14] right now feeling too lazy [14:25:18] he was once kidnapped during a local electoral dispute and taken off into the mountains, but later freed and taken to the house of a man who turned out to have been one of his pupils, a former head boy.. [14:25:29] yes [14:25:51] i thought of mentioning it but then i was not sure where [14:26:38] Title written by 'The Nation' newspaper, is absolutely perfect for him, --"A+ for a Life Well Spent". [14:27:02] btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langlands_School_and_College [14:28:49] school official FB page says he retired at 94 https://www.facebook.com/langlands.school.and.college/info?tab=page_info [14:28:59] school website is not opening for me [14:30:11] I dont see any url for school website.. [14:30:31] http://friendsoflanglandsschool.com [14:30:41] http://friendsoflanglandsschool.com/ --this is not the school web.. [14:30:46] I was typing same.. [14:31:01] It says, "Friends of".. --working for me. [14:32:02] They have some good picture in their Gallery section.. [14:32:56] well it look school site [14:33:04] opened now for me [14:33:26] btw current principal .. is British newspaper correspondent and military writer, author of Inside the Soviet Army and The Russian Elite [14:33:47] you removed it.. but i think she is some notable. maybe [14:34:27] Ah, feel free to re-instate it.. [14:35:28] She is a principle of a notable school.. [14:36:06] The website appears to meant to raise money for school.. [14:37:00] rght [14:42:56] anyway i think we should move it main NS and leave the rest to others [14:43:06] hope others will improve it further [14:43:13] i will do it tonight [14:43:18] thanks for your time on this [14:45:51] Okay, move it. I'll create a Wikidata entry for him.