[04:34:31] hello [06:11:38] #wikipedia-hi [14:53:49] anup. should we move reaction to a sep page? [14:54:00] re Peshawar attack [14:54:09] its getting long and still more to add [15:00:01] Looking.. [15:00:58] where did those images come from? [15:01:26] they are all copyvio [15:02:08] yes [15:02:17] i dont know why they put them [15:02:36] they are using them under fair usage rule i guess [15:02:44] but i dont think we really need those [15:03:36] reactions, to me, appears OK as along as they are smooth to navigate and read, [15:03:41] Hi CutestPenguin, [15:04:05] Hello! Anup [15:04:35] Saqib, there's no rationale given for upload.. they are likely to be deleted very soon.. They dont meet any of the NFCC criteria as well to enable one to keep them. Texts dont discuss the kid in detail. [15:04:54] yes [15:05:45] Md-iet, uploader. Hard-core religious man!! :D [15:06:05] btw lakhvi is still detained [15:06:15] Who told you so? [15:06:27] Anup can you provide the link of that photo ? [15:06:31] check out [15:06:46] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pakistan-detains-Zakiur-Rehman-Lakhvi-for-3-more-months/articleshow/45573473.cms [15:06:48] @link 2014_Peshawar_school_attack [15:06:48] This is not a valid link [15:06:55] @link [[2014_Peshawar_school_attack]] [15:06:55] http://enwp.org/2014_Peshawar_school_attack [15:07:10] CP, check the article for images, [15:07:21] ok [15:09:42] Casuality section needs to be expanded, in order to save those images from deletion and keep them per NFCC, #7. [15:11:59] :'( [15:12:15] i came across some sources saying one 5 year old girl was killed [15:12:20] Aw! What? [15:12:29] she was the youngest among those killed [15:12:36] No wonder, I can believe that. [15:12:56] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2879724/The-youngest-victim-Five-year-old-girl-second-day-Pakistan-school-shot-point-blank-range-despite-Taliban-instructions-not-kill-small-children.html [15:13:15] "only her second day at Pakistan school" [15:13:19] Yesterday, I received a whatsapp msg on peshwar attack, it was kind of peom. [15:13:24] hmm [15:14:09] Same here, I got several quotes and poems based based on it. [15:14:19] btw i am not getting one thing [15:14:27] many sources saying "Umar Naray" was mastermind [15:14:44] and he was communicating with killers from his base in Afghanistan [15:14:50] You go to school to learn and it happens to be your last day. People condemn, cry and it goes dull after a month. ALL forget and wait fr another incident to cry over. [15:14:57] but then this daily mail source saying "The hunt is now on for the 17 men, all of whom have been named, with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif moving to end the moratorium on executing those convicted of terrorism - effectively signing the death warrant for the savage Peshawar commanders should they be caught." [15:15:03] I heard mastermind, someone in Afghan. [15:15:21] ops not this para [15:15:29] "It also emerged today that sixteen prominent commanders from different wings of the Pakistani Taliban were involved in organising the attack, with another senior militant named Umar Adizai - also known as Umar Naray and Umar Khalifa - acting as the six killers' overall 'handler'." [15:15:39] UMAR [15:15:49] this para says he was acting as killer [15:15:51] the head of Al-qaida [15:15:55] oh ok.. i got it [15:15:58] ? [15:16:04] sorry [15:16:05] confusion [15:16:07] solved [15:16:37] so i think we need a page on umar sir [15:16:48] in honour of him [15:16:54] I heard Pakistan told to Afghan to transfer them the main culprit or they are going to attack on them. Is it possible? [15:17:02] yes [15:17:27] Umar sir, may fall under BLP1E guideline, and may not have a Wikipedia article. [15:17:45] People notable for one-event doesnt qualify fr inclusion on WIkipedia. [15:18:04] well.. [15:18:11] he is the leader of something [15:18:12] make sense [15:18:33] Yeah, if he is the one I'm thinking about this moment, [15:18:35] who knows he suspected for other stuff [15:19:04] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Aqeel [15:19:11] hanging today [15:19:15] the recently appointed head of al-qaeda, [15:19:25] hmm [15:19:51] Hang them who kill those kids.. [15:20:07] well he was not behind peshawar attack [15:20:12] Yes, [15:20:16] but many others [15:20:18] that's what I'm telling.. [15:20:26] Gov. is in damage-control mode. [15:20:39] They'll hang and gain people's suport. [15:20:43] hmm [15:20:44] yes [15:20:55] i am fine with it [15:21:07] Yes, something is better than nothing. [15:21:13] offc [15:21:25] otherwise they are killing and enjoying life in prisons [15:21:28] have gang bang [15:22:07] sometimes jailbreaks a [15:22:12] The worst part is, Gov. expends millions on them in Jail for killing people.. [15:22:21] Bang Bang or Gang bang [15:22:25] btw we are expecting some jail breaks. dont know when [15:22:26] That money can be used for aam-aadmi [15:23:32] Kasab, in India, ate billions before he was hanged-up. [15:23:41] heaha [15:23:49] great hero [15:23:58] Yeah, [15:24:11] He deserved to be sent to Mars [15:25:00] :D [15:25:24] Where is Jawahari, btw? [15:25:35] He has managed to escape for a very long time, now. [15:25:56] I guess, the only alive al-qaeda leader, [15:26:00] the oldies [15:26:21] whos that [15:26:25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_ibn_Hammad_al-Jawhari ? [15:26:30] Al-Jawahari? [15:26:34] Yes, [15:26:48] I've not opened the link, but I know it is them. [15:26:58] hmm [15:27:06] he is died already [15:27:15] the founder of Al Qaeda [15:27:24] he is alumni of al qaeda [15:27:32] al qaeda public school [15:27:51] Saqib : I suggest you should change your nick name [15:27:59] why [15:28:07] you better kick this bot from here [15:28:10] No. He is not dead. [15:28:19] well it says died 1002 or 1008" [15:28:31] at least, not reported to be dead. [15:28:35] 1008??? [15:28:40] yes this WP page says [15:28:50] There appears to be someone else notable person by Jawahari... [15:28:54] let me open the link now [15:29:13] Argh!!! [15:29:24] This one is author, not terrorist. [15:29:35] ops [15:29:36] hahaha [15:29:37] and the article is a stub one [15:29:51] Jawahari sir must have, at least a B class article. [15:30:07] i see [15:30:16] What? [15:30:22] Terrorist? [15:30:26] "This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify ." [15:30:27] :P [15:30:46] CutestPenguin : i have changed the nick but you know my name is still there in [15:30:47] O!! there you go. [15:30:50] whois [15:30:56] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri [15:31:01] oh ok [15:31:03] i know him [15:31:05] good guy [15:31:12] See, what I said, a B class article. [15:31:21] yes nice [15:31:43] ops.. i was logged in some other channels [15:31:52] many asked me whats that nick [15:31:59] not many . but 3 [15:31:59] :P [15:32:33] anyways. fun over. work on wP page [15:32:39] You are not in any of them, I have in. [15:32:50] I'm* [15:33:01] wikilovesmonuments [15:33:13] #wikimedia-affcom [15:33:37] Curiousity, why do arabic people carry lengthy names, and yeh multiple as well? [15:33:46] hmm yeh [15:33:49] affcom? [15:34:06] affiliation committee [15:34:35] Aw! [15:35:02] I'm in, help, helper, accounts, en, here, commons.. [15:35:15] hmm [15:37:02] anup. when i am here . this bot shouldn't be here.. [15:37:14] you few days back kicked him.. how? [15:37:18] you* [15:37:32] I? [15:37:37] are you sure? [15:37:40] yes [15:38:03] Are you implementing 'Ready' trick on me? [15:38:12] ready [15:38:14] Have you wathced Salman Khan movie Ready? [15:38:18] nmo [15:38:19] no [15:38:23] what was in that [15:38:51] You should watch.. If I say now the climax, it'd spoil the entertainment. [15:39:12] Try saying "@quit", [15:39:17] or "fo" [15:39:18] well you will have to tell me now. because i dont think i will be able to watch it anytime soon [15:39:36] i would sy "go wmbot go [15:40:08] I've got the plot for you, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_(2011_film)#Plot [15:40:22] to long to read [15:40:30] I'm watching, arnab on Times Now. [15:40:44] hmm ok.. [15:42:32] CutestPenguin : Tune-in "Times Now" now. [15:42:36] me gng away [15:42:47] gng to suicide [15:43:06] gng on Wikipedia, means, 'general notability guideline'. [15:43:16] @link [[WP:GNG]] [15:43:16] http://enwp.org/WP:GNG [15:44:32] let me tune [15:44:43] You must........ [15:44:58] Listen to Arnab, he is takin on a MLA. [15:46:38] Most Abusive Neta [15:48:32] OMG! [15:49:08] Anup : This ridiculous [15:49:13] is* [15:49:53] I love when Arnab speaks... [15:52:10] Even I'm also grt fan of him [15:55:41] Now its congress's turn [16:11:00] ok i am bck [16:11:36] i am not giving time to my home wiki since last few months :() [16:11:37] :( [16:12:03] it seems i am already too bored of it.. but i will have to renew my interests in it.. [16:14:04] voyage? [16:14:06] dr usman and aqeel hanged ;( [16:14:17] * Saqib will mourn [16:14:26] wiki voyage [16:14:34] you dont know wikivoyage ? [16:15:05] i hope one day wiktravel will be hanged to death too [16:15:13] they copy our content [16:15:23] and their SEO is farrr better than Wikivoyage [16:15:36] Wikivoyage seo is vverryy poor [16:15:52] What's basic diff. b/w voyage and travel wiki? [16:15:55] so they are taking benefits of wikivoyage [16:16:10] big diff. they are for profit [16:16:18] we are non profit [16:16:19] I never see voyage or travel in my search results. [16:16:22] they show ads [16:16:25] Wiki-travel??? [16:16:28] yes [16:16:34] Is it WMF project? [16:16:36] check it. alot of ads [16:16:41] wikitravel ? [16:16:51] Yes, [16:16:52] its project of internet brands [16:17:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Brands [16:17:14] for profit org [16:17:24] and wikitravel cencor too [16:17:35] they wont allow a work "wikivoyage" wikimedia on their site [16:17:37] try it [16:17:41] word* [16:17:57] If they are coping you, they must be giving back credit... [16:17:59] they are using some scripts [16:17:59] I think' [16:18:04] not at all [16:18:17] as i said word "wikivoyage " wikimedia" are not allowed there [16:18:29] Lookin at both of them [16:18:49] try to write wikivoyage . you will see it yourself [16:19:02] wikivoyage, as a search keyword? [16:19:19] no [16:19:29] in wikitravek [16:20:22] Wikitravel, has listed 'Wikipedia' in their 'other sites' section. [16:20:32] yes [16:20:42] I'm not seeing any ads, perhaps because I have ad-block enabled. [16:21:12] oh.. [16:21:20] which page you are at? [16:22:10] https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Wikivoyage_and_Wikitravel#Do_Wikivoyage_and_Wikitravel_work_cooperatively.3F [16:22:37] "Moving content from Wikivoyage to Wikitravel is not currently possible as any mention of Wikivoyage is banned on that site, precluding correct attribution." [16:22:39] but they copy us [16:22:57] they copy us without giving attributions [16:23:12] and so they are still making $$$$$$$ [16:23:16] and we sucks [16:23:21] You should sue them, [16:23:34] and yes, they copy voyage. I'm on a random page. [16:23:37] well this issue has been raised on WV numerous times [16:23:43] no one cared to take it further [16:23:48] http://wikitravel.org/en/Sisian and https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Sisian [16:23:49] even WMF is seems tired of it [16:24:03] You are an admin, sue them. [16:24:14] give me $$$$$$$$$$ [16:24:16] i will sue them [16:24:30] I'm not an admin on en-wiki, but I write warning emails to websites not giving back credit to Wikipedia. [16:24:49] You're a god damn volutneer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [16:24:49] aren't you aware of money spent already when it was forked [16:24:55] HOw could you ask for $$$$$$$$? [16:25:04] well [16:25:08] it take millions of $$$$$$ [16:25:17] Are WMF aware of it? [16:25:18] WMF already spent millions $$$$$ [16:25:26] offcourse they are the one who spend money [16:25:26] WMF sucks then! [16:25:49] WikiTravel, is a related to WMF? [16:25:58] ignore 'a' [16:26:09] not at all [16:26:31] its project of INTERNET BRAND company [16:27:03] Why are they listing "WIkipedia" in their "Other sites" section then? [16:27:33] well wikipedia was used to link them to their guide articles [16:27:40] and so linked back to WP [16:28:18] they are now mentioned WP just to ease their readers so that they can use WP articles too [16:28:26] for infoo.. [16:29:01] http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/business/media/once-a-profit-dream-wikitravel-now-bedevils-owner.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 [16:31:10] Finally debate.... OVER !! ? [16:31:16] Voyage still appears to be a better site/ [16:31:25] CutestPenguin, it was only debate #1. :D [16:31:36] It goes until mid-night. [16:31:39] offcourse it is [16:31:50] Yeah debate #2 still on its way [16:31:54] we have cotributors .. [16:32:06] wikitravel have only readers [16:32:14] last line, Wikitravel is likely to lose its volunteers, she said, simply because Wikipedia is a “warm and fuzzy brand that is free with no ads.” [16:32:28] and the employers of internet brand who copy our material rahther than putting efforts [16:32:43] they have no more editors now [16:32:49] but tooo much readers [16:33:00] we have too many editors but no readers [16:33:05] @ping wm-bot4 [16:34:34] I did Google for, "delhi voyage" and Wikivoyage is not coming in search results. How'll one read Voyage then? More people read WIkipedia because it tops the search results. [16:35:02] Oh, not even in top 10 results. [16:35:04] yes [16:35:18] It is on #16.. [16:35:26] thats why i am saying " i am hoping one day wikitravel will be hanged till death" [16:35:35] SEO, should be main concern. [16:35:48] but if you googe "delhi" . more likely wikitravel article appear [16:36:06] we have tried our best to improve out SEO . but failed [16:36:45] I search, 'Delhi travel", Wikitravel came on #2. [16:37:06] ow [16:37:07] Voyage is no where in top 10. [16:37:26] Improve your SEO!!!!!! [16:37:32] for me wikitravel at # 4 with search term "delhi" [16:38:04] Google produces result based on your intersts. You must be opening wikitravel more often. [16:38:36] no [16:38:38] i dont use it [16:38:40] i hate it [16:39:02] try duck go [16:39:05] delhi at #2 [16:39:15] delhi wikitravel at #2 [16:39:21] https://duckduckgo.com/?q=delhi&ia=meanings [16:39:40] or try https://startpage.com/ [16:39:53] anonymous engines [16:41:25] security is high alert in pakistan [16:42:08] fears of backlash [16:42:45] Should be. [16:42:47] not backlast but counterattack from militants [16:43:02] India is debating "#PakBailsOutTerror". [16:43:21] yes [16:43:23] good [16:43:26] 2 Indian spokesperson and w Paki. [16:43:27] go india go [16:43:30] 2 [16:43:50] he is still in jail so stop it [16:44:19] Musharrf did a deal with Taliban in 2004, they are showing Videos. [16:44:27] i know [16:44:28] many did [16:44:30] even Imran khan [16:44:46] And, the same talibani attacked Pakistan. [16:45:02] http://www.dawn.com/news/1045342 [16:45:03] yes [16:45:29] now i wanted to tell you something but i wont because of this bloddy bot [16:45:36] so anyways [16:47:14] Paki man defending Mushraff, calling him most moderate politician. [16:47:23] haha [16:47:39] hahahahah [16:47:46] man, you should have listen to them [16:47:57] he said, that that video is made by RAW [16:47:58] wtf! [16:48:03] hahahaha [16:48:29] i know paki are just like that [16:48:34] and then curry eaters too [16:48:52] Arnab said,"oh God! -three times in a row, -in his typical tone. [16:49:58] They should be reasonable, logical and most importantly at this time, sensible. Unite and ACT or wait for another incident to debate. [16:50:29] hmm [16:51:16] btw what is slurs for indians [16:51:37] this doesn't mention any major https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs [16:52:15] I think, there are many however. [16:53:15] @link [[Pappu]] [16:53:15] http://enwp.org/Pappu [16:53:24] popular these days. [16:54:03] its not slur [16:54:13] you thinki am idiot [16:54:25] dont censor indian slurs [16:54:35] you curry eater [16:55:14] Um, I think it is. [16:55:18] not [16:55:36] Call a man, Pappu and he will not say you anything back but hit you back. [16:55:50] i dont think so [16:56:01] papu is more like to refer a cute man [16:56:19] its not insinuation [16:56:55] ok.. mr. curry eater . my time for curry [16:57:11] i mean off to dinner [16:57:15] Nope, when Modi called Rahul Gandhi, Pappu. It was trending top on twitter.