[09:43:17] anyone [09:43:19] around ? [13:35:09] oh anup [13:35:15] you're here [13:35:26] saw my emails [13:35:28] Saqib : Hi, [13:35:33] Just arrived in here, [13:35:43] Yes, I did.. [13:35:53] hmm.. [13:35:59] messed up [13:36:14] he's tooo problematic [13:36:24] Appears to be.. [13:36:28] i never thought he will go this far [13:36:47] I think, I have told you once about this. [13:36:54] what [13:38:53] on using real name as wiki username and being involved in such kinda discussion on wiki can go ugly. [13:39:04] hmm [13:39:23] well this is going very ugly.. [13:39:32] on twitter. ppl who follow him and me are msging me [13:39:53] saying is that true [13:39:57] i have no answer [13:40:05] since he's a lawyer as well [13:40:25] i dont know why he is soo immature [13:40:33] taking it soo personally [13:40:48] may be have some conflict of interest, [13:40:56] he's educated guy.. but at the same time. his behaviour is like he's an idiot [13:41:21] as you can see my contribution list. i never edit any article he claims [13:41:25] like ahmadis [13:41:46] but his tactic is working . atleast on twitter [13:42:45] and frankly speaking with you [13:42:55] i am bit worried [13:43:36] Will you consider withdrawing your nomination taking me over? [13:43:37] ops [13:43:44] sure [13:43:47] btw [13:43:50] you made a comment [13:43:57] Ifaqeer is not the same guy [13:44:08] what? [13:44:11] yes [13:44:13] https://twitter.com/iFaqeer [13:44:17] ifaqeer is diff [13:44:22] please revert your edit [13:44:31] :P [13:44:44] did with an edit summary "stupid". [13:44:52] :D [13:45:00] the subject is IP address [13:45:01] You provided few links, thought it was them. [13:45:23] IPs at times, are disgust. [13:45:23] no .. his twitter is https://twitter.com/theRealYLH [13:45:27] yes [13:45:37] Withdraw your nomination.. [13:45:40] I will take over, [13:46:06] and I've a sugggestion for any further similar activities.. [13:47:12] but i think if i withdraw the nomintion. the lawyer will make some more tweets [13:47:31] more shame [13:47:45] on twitter. its really shameful for me [13:47:55] now see this : https://twitter.com/theRealYLH/status/565103474338041857 [13:48:11] and as you can see alizeh iqbal haider replied him "?" [13:48:35] oh no. not thats one [13:48:50] oh yes same [13:49:09] so same alizeh iqbal haider was helping me getting co-operation of national assembly [13:49:14] regarding photos of MNAs [13:49:37] its very shameful for me [13:49:54] but i wont make any further comments to deletion nom [13:50:12] even if being kept.. because that will only cause trouble [13:50:27] fuel up the things.. [13:50:42] You should not really make any more deletion nominations using Saqib username, [13:50:48] And, on existing one, [13:50:56] actually i wont make any edit to any Bio [13:51:03] as it has been done, side away, let the afd take its turn, [13:51:06] atleast for some time [13:51:14] sure [13:51:28] Register a Valid Alt account, [13:51:35] hmm [13:52:10] this never happened before ... [13:52:17] Yes, that'd help you to hide you identity and provide comfort in such heated discussions.. [13:52:32] hmm [13:52:34] Everything happens for once.. and it keeps happening.. [13:52:40] actually i will take a break from Wikipedia now [13:52:44] wikivoyage was best for me [13:53:06] Take a break using Saqib id, come back from another.. [13:53:13] :) [13:53:19] that is ALLOWED by Wikipedia policies. [13:53:26] i know [13:53:28] No Sockpuppet, Valid Alternate [13:53:36] yes [13:54:06] nighat dad.. the one he refered in this discussion [13:54:10] i told her about this page [13:54:17] she said he's just like that [13:54:27] she's a lawyer also [13:55:15] Who cares, if he is a lawyer. If you were a anonymous Wikipedia username, he could not do anything... even if wanted. [13:55:33] yes [13:55:38] but now he knows me . [13:55:55] he's in touch with some people who knows my contact details [13:55:58] you can settle it down, [13:56:13] but offcourse if he go further [13:56:17] i can defend myself [13:56:32] i am offc not scared of him [13:56:40] but ofc this will be messy [13:57:54] You may win but going through all these shit -is annoying. [13:58:00] right [13:58:32] i told a guy here that this happened today [13:58:40] he said . file a defamtion case against that ugly guy [13:59:18] but we will see.. if how thing go ahead [13:59:27] Nope, I would not suggest thatm don't extend it from your side. Hope, it ends with afd. [13:59:37] ok [13:59:47] noted [13:59:52] i was thinking the same [13:59:54] If it ends with afd, it is ALRIGHT. [14:00:00] right [14:00:32] BUT dont you think he willget more upset once the page deleted. [14:00:58] He might, [14:01:18] That's why I was saying, [14:01:36] Withdraw your nomination, You will no longer be accused for deletion of article in question. [14:01:47] I can take over as nominator... [14:02:09] anup look [14:02:41] i wont make any further edits to this nomination [14:02:52] and if page get deleted. its absolutely fine .. [14:03:05] if still he make trouble. then i will handle [14:03:11] The page will be deleted, -and no one can stop it. [14:03:35] The question is, you still want to take responsblity of nominating the article or not.. [14:03:46] yes i do [14:04:01] he has already made tweets [14:04:35] so i think i will stay with my decision [14:05:03] Okay, that's ok. next one is that, be a poster nominator. [14:05:21] One who just nominates, and doesn't make any comment in the discussion page. [14:05:32] ok [14:05:58] Arguing with IPs, [14:06:05] is real shit. [14:06:32] Well, I was thinking.. that guy of the article is currently under deletion discussion, [14:06:34] well this is not IP. this is subject himself thats why soo much trouble [14:06:42] has less passing mentions than you. :D [14:06:59] what do you mean [14:07:09] I will rephrase, [14:08:16] The guy who is !voting to keep, according to their Wikipedia's inclusion standard, -you should have a Wikipedia article. [14:09:13] well i still not understood [14:09:40] are you talking about the comments made by lawyer ? [14:09:45] LIAR* [14:13:07] Nope, [14:13:17] :D [14:13:24] You have more coverage than subject of the article.......................................... [14:13:30] oh np [14:13:31] NO [14:13:32] and according to IPs argument.. [14:13:36] no way [14:13:42] you should have a WIkipedia article. :D [14:13:43] i doesnt merit WP bio [14:13:46] no way [14:14:01] because trival ref are not acceptable [14:14:05] According to IP's argument.. [14:14:05] and i have only trival mentions [14:14:14] well he dont know the policy [14:14:25] Yes, [14:14:34] but still, [14:14:39] other than that. one cannot have a wikipedia page if he qouted in stories [14:14:59] thousand of people daily qouted in news stories but thats doesn't make notable . atleast on WP [14:15:14] and this is the same case with yasser hamdani [14:15:20] he's only qouted in news stories [14:15:26] and now he want a standalone WP bio page [14:15:41] and thats why i nominated his page for deletion because its self promotion [14:15:58] and then he adding Original research paras ,, [14:16:44] other than that. every wikipedia who work with outreach programs of wikimedia, often get qouted in news stories but that doesn't makes them notable [14:16:50] Wikipedian* [14:17:29] in this case. the thing is lawyer is actually liar [14:17:33] and my english is not good [14:17:39] thats why its very hard to argue with him [14:17:57] and so he take benefit and keep on making allegation [14:18:19] i dont care whatever he do on wiki. make false allegation against me. but now hes taking things to twitter [14:18:32] where the crediblity of wikimedia pakistan is being damaged [14:19:02] You should explain things, without referring to anyone. [14:19:05] and offcourse i am part of wikimedia pakistan so people will question me too , whether all this is trye [14:19:58] Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and is selective for its subjects for articles. It is not Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.. such comments, you can make without involving anyone. [14:20:18] hmm [14:20:28] i am not involving anyone [14:20:32] You should wait for few more days, [14:20:33] nor you [14:20:36] just sharing with you all this [14:20:44] yes [14:21:10] I'm not.. but if you think, the lawyer is involving you on twitter with all these shit.. you are not required to reply him. [14:21:14] But you can still do, [14:21:19] without referring to anyone. [14:21:25] i am not replying him on twitter [14:21:44] Yes, just fking DENY that satisfaction. [14:21:46] if i make some tweets, it will create more drama [14:21:57] This Wikipedia policy is really awesome! [14:22:05] hmm [14:22:10] how ? [14:22:14] You have half of the battle. :D [14:22:18] hahaha [14:22:18] have won* [14:22:23] i dont think so [14:22:30] Yes, [14:22:35] btw [14:22:41] i sent an email to WMF legal dept [14:22:51] and told them about the tweets and the nom case [14:23:03] i think its imp that they aware of all this [14:23:07] I was going to suggest that.. if it continues after afd.. [14:23:14] yes [14:23:24] incase if things get more hot. i can tell them more easily [14:23:29] wait a few more days and see.. if it continues.. [14:23:34] ok [15:39:41] anup [15:44:21] Saqib, [15:47:17] …. [15:47:21] thinking [15:47:24] thinking [15:53:29] about? [15:56:51] give me a suggestion [15:57:33] should i make a tweet saying that "we disapprove allegations by Yasser and that he's blocked from WP due to his personal attack remarks" [15:58:42] or something along the lines [16:06:28] Nope, [16:06:34] ok [16:06:43] Nothing, ignore it as that nothing happened. [16:07:29] right [16:07:31] A message from WM Pakistan handle will give him an unwated weight, [16:07:38] right [16:07:39] ok [16:08:33] you know it feels like [16:08:37] i did a big crime [16:08:58] It happened first time, that's why because.. [16:08:59] am so shocked to see how cheap the guy is [16:09:19] Wikipedia have a long history of controversy like that, [16:09:24] hmm [16:09:25] do you know Wikipediocracy? [16:09:36] A website dedicate to criticize Wikipedia? [16:09:37] no [16:09:41] i will see the page. i know theres one [16:09:48] Unencyclopedia.org [16:09:58] another that trolls Wikipedia and its editors. [16:10:03] At least, you are not there. [16:10:21] Wikipedia admins suffer more, I've seen that, [16:10:29] hmm [16:10:37] i know this site [16:10:42] but never edited [16:10:52] User:Secret, a long standing admin, I think recently quit for this cause. [16:11:19] I never go there, I just know it. I visit only when someone recommend me to read a story from there. [16:11:45] hmm [16:12:15] oh ok. Wikipediocracy is a site. i thought there is a page on WP [16:12:47] you know asaf brotov from WMF ? [16:12:51] i told him about this [16:12:57] and this is what he said " and is it true that you have been deleting references to Ahmadis?" [16:12:58] :P [16:13:08] " Asaf: I understand the notability argument, and that he's upset over it. But is that the only content in question, or have you been involved in content about Ahmadis on other articles?" [16:13:09] I've seen him, never talked. [16:13:24] " Asaf: I understand. I have to take a call right now, but I'll take a closer look at the article and the sources later, and give you my advice." [16:13:25] hmm [16:14:00] I think, when one gets involved, it happens.. [16:14:00] omg [16:14:07] see his new tweets [16:14:21] https://twitter.com/theRealYLH [16:15:28] ok i am gong away for an hour [16:16:30] Umm, you are not being seen just an editor......... [16:16:45] but Whole Wikimedia Pakistan is doing all this, [16:18:13] You may/should or must make a note on your user talk page, that your comments/edits on Wikipedia are your personal views/credits and do not represent Wikimedia Pakistan unless otherwise noted (Or something else, perhaps). [16:18:56] Sry, user page* [16:35:04] i am back [16:35:05] you're right [16:35:28] thats why i am worried. because the defaming wikimedia pakistan [16:35:39] he* [16:41:55] http://pakteahouse.net/2015/02/10/wikimedia-pakistan-and-the-manipulation-of-wikipedia-pages-on-pakistan/ [16:42:13] now ? [17:57:10] anup [17:57:17] i couldn't stop myself and made a tweet https://twitter.com/WikimediaPK/status/565203504302546945 [17:57:30] so that atleasy people may know whats and why its all happening [17:58:33] Saqib : You just fed him. [17:58:40] :( [17:58:44] i dont know what to do [17:59:09] if you say i will delete it [17:59:16] You have got nothing to do. [17:59:24] Just Ignore. [17:59:35] i thought a notice would be helpful [17:59:41] Nope, [17:59:53] i will delete it den [17:59:54] I work at ACC and very recently info-en OTRS. [17:59:57] i am soo confused [18:00:04] There we have a kind of policy or guideline, [18:00:14] hmm [18:00:21] When you think, nothing is going to improve the situation, just ignore their words. [18:00:32] ok deleted [18:00:40] and now i am going to close this twitter [18:00:43] this is soo tense [18:00:53] Nah, [18:01:09] Keep doing your usual stuffs like nothing happened. [18:01:21] anup you dont know me [18:01:24] i am soo tense right now [18:01:26] i dont know why [18:01:28] i cant eat [18:01:34] its like its my fault [18:01:38] Umm [18:01:41] and i should had avoided it at first [18:01:51] Nope, you must understand it is NOT your fault. [18:02:06] He could target anyone, you were a easy one. [18:02:31] i blocked him [18:02:36] right [18:02:41] let me show you a msg [18:02:48] That's OK. [18:02:50] the msg by https://twitter.com/nighatdad [18:03:31] "Haha he is very annoying. What we can do about it?" [18:03:37] "Gosh. Can we talk on phone if you are based in Pakistan? If this is the case he should add intimidating cases he filed against feminists" [18:03:43] "Yeah that's what he does all the time" [18:03:48] "Please do. The kind of stuff he adds up is exaggeration" [18:04:08] he does this all the time [18:04:11] according to Nighat [18:04:21] Yes, and you should really stop feeding him. [18:04:33] i dont know what is matter btw night and this yasser because he mentioned her on WP [18:05:18] Dont read his any messages... and you may avoid the existing afd. We are the community, not one person. [18:05:26] hmm.. [18:05:27] ok [18:05:37] heacache already [18:05:38] yaaar [18:05:42] Let other people read if they want to.. [18:05:52] when they ask, explain in simple words,, [18:05:53] :) [18:06:02] i blocked him on twitter [18:06:09] i dont think he will be able to tweet me [18:06:11] Yaseer thinks Wikipedia is Facebook, and such that.. [18:06:16] i was dont know of this blockage thing [18:06:29] I'm not a great twitter use, I seldom use. [18:06:34] hmm [18:06:36] user* [18:06:38] your handle? [18:06:44] Mehra_Anup [18:06:53] Tweets are protected. :p [18:06:57] https://twitter.com/Mehra_Anup [18:06:58] nothing [18:07:06] And you need my permission to be my follower. :p [18:07:27] *privacy setting* [18:07:48] oh well [18:07:59] i added you… its upto you to allow me ;) [18:08:01] no offense [18:08:15] oh yar [18:08:21] today was a very unfortunate day [18:08:29] subah se tension [18:08:32] We may always talk here and over email. I use twitter only for DM purpose. [18:08:38] np [18:08:52] For me, it was a good day. AAP won the election in Delhi. [18:08:58] hmm [18:10:40] It is around 12, you should eat and sleep for now. [18:10:48] ok [18:11:39] anyway. thank for your support [18:11:46] otherwise it was very difficult [18:12:11] the more attention i give , the worse it wil lget [18:12:47] yes, dont feed the trolls. [18:13:24] actually you know [18:13:28] what [18:14:15] actually if he were a non-known figure [18:14:31] i mean like a guy with no online background [18:14:37] you know what i mean ? [18:15:00] in that case. i was not going to give him any attention [18:15:05] but this is a laywer [18:15:20] and with some crediblity online [18:15:35] Who cares? [18:16:10] He is laywer, and dont fkin know Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a facebook/linkedin. [18:16:47] you know [18:16:53] twitter is a prob [18:17:00] agar twitter na hota toh koi masla hi ni tha [18:17:14] and sorry. i am eating your brain too [18:17:32] anywya [18:17:41] nope, it is okay. I never liked Twitter from very beginning.. [18:17:50] mee too. i hate it now [18:17:52] It still seem me very akward, [18:18:13] that why i never used FB / twitter for personal use [18:18:21] And I started hating them more, when they adopted interface similar to facebook. [18:18:35] I use it.. for people to contact me, [18:18:37] i created twitter for Wikimedia Pakistan. coz i thought it would be good way to interact with others [18:18:43] because I've no phone. :p [18:18:50] me too. no phone [18:18:55] but i am planning to use phone soon [18:19:12] Yes, it is good actually for Wikimedia Pakistan, every chapter has. Every start-up ones have them. [18:20:50] Phones are annoying, [18:20:58] :) [18:21:13] khair. aj toh mujhe twitter sb se annoying lag rha hai [18:21:22] very annoying and depresing [18:21:43] https://twitter.com/theRealYLH [18:21:45] ops [18:21:46] sorry [18:21:53] by mistake paste hogya [18:21:59] Umm, [18:22:08] can i show you one thing [18:22:09] https://twitter.com/theRealYLH/status/565200032656154625 [18:22:10] :P [18:22:54] ah ok... [18:22:55] If you are right about now depressed using twitter, why you still are? [18:23:11] lets talk about something else [18:23:20] Do something else, better watch a movie. :p [18:23:21] when you going to sleep btw? [18:23:28] I woke up 5pm [18:23:30] if i tell you one thing. you wont belive [18:23:43] today i had no breakfast, no lunch and still no hunger [18:23:49] because I was in a marriage cerenomy yesterday and returned room today's morning around 10. [18:23:50] only had 4 cup tea [18:23:56] i see [18:23:58] eh [18:24:12] You can still eat, [18:24:28] bhook is died [18:24:29] :D [18:25:25] i dont know why people use religion in pakistan to defame people [18:25:31] um, in last 10-15 days, I've only ate a time a day, during night. [18:25:38] lets talk pvt. have to tell you smthing [18:25:45] religion is an easy thing, [18:25:47]