[15:31:21] Hello everyobody [15:32:42] Hello ravi, welcome [15:32:43] Hi [15:33:39] I hope we can start todays dscussion [15:33:54] I am checking if few others who signed up are available [15:34:00] Yes, we can start [15:34:37] Hope you are well [15:34:55] Hi Loganathan Sir [15:35:01] How r u? [15:35:32] no sir Doctor! call me farmer, please [15:35:32] hi all, how is everyone doing? [15:35:39] * techfiz Omshivaprakash from kn:wiki [15:35:59] Hi Omshivaprakash, great to see u here [15:36:30] :) Bodhisattwa nice to meet you too [15:36:40] Happy to meet. Omshivaprakash [15:38:39] Ok, can we start? [15:39:27] I would like to begin SIG for Wiktionary. furnish your opinion, please [15:40:57] Special interest group (SIG) in Wikimedia.india [15:41:11] It would be great [15:42:08] Can you please explain in details about your plan to start a SIG [15:42:13] ? [15:42:26] info-farmer: Isn't it better to reach out to the existing language SIGs to understand the Wiktionary community first? [15:43:11] Also encourage them to bring both communities together or slowly start building the collaboration [15:44:00] Ravi! Will you explain more about SIG? [15:44:49] I think Ravi has left may be for a few minutes. [15:45:11] ok [15:45:39] Ok, he has joined again [15:46:04] Bodhi! you please our collaboration to Omshivaprakash [15:46:04] I Apologies. Facing connection issues. [15:46:25] Info-farmer has a request to Ravi if he can explain more about SIG [15:47:45] Om, Bengali wiktionary community is now collaborating with Tamil Wikt community [15:48:35] Om! Please visit ta.wikt embassy page [15:49:13] We are developing simple templates, which will help create words automatically after manually retreiving data from PD online dictionaries [15:50:37] Bengali Wikt has a target to reach more than 1 lakh words margin from todays 1000 words situation in a year or two [15:51:27] thank you. Bodhi. [15:51:58] info-farmer: Bodhisattwa good to hear about the collaboration between bn and ta. I will look into the embassy page to learn more about it. [15:52:03] Very simple templates, which can also be utilised by other Wikt communities [15:52:09] I am followig the log at http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-in/20150408.txt [15:52:50] Sure, I will explain my ideas about growing wiktionaries in Indian languages and how a SIG can help [15:52:55] Kannada Wiktionary has got more than 2 lakh words but I haven't been active there as we have a community taking care of it. [15:52:58] towards the end of this session [15:52:58] Like sa.wikt also in our collaboration [15:53:38] When i look Kn.wikt, i found that there is no category for English entries, Why? [15:53:39] between, please excuse me as I have to run out for sometime. I will follow the discussion here once I'm back. [15:53:58] ok [15:54:29] info-farmer: as I mentioned earlier, I have to bring those community members online to collaborate with you all. I think I had seen one of your conversation with Kiran Ravikumar. [15:54:38] Will you please introduce kn.wikt contributors [15:54:39] * techfiz getting late brb! [15:54:49] will do [15:55:19] info-farmer: I will try to connect at least one member from each wiktionary [15:55:35] info-farmer, how is the collaboration with sa.wikt going on? [15:56:10] I was expecting Shitikantha Dash from Odia Wiktionary to join us. He has added 1000s of words in the last few months through a bot [15:56:44] we want to learn from his experience also [15:56:51] it would be great [15:56:59] slow not much like you people [15:57:51] Only one person. He is learning about AWb [15:58:06] info-farmer: I am planning to visit Samskrit Bharathi soon. Will see how we can get their wiktionary more active [15:58:46] Due to slow internet connection, we unable to learn much [15:59:39] info-farmer: Who is that person? Is he working in Samskrit Bharathi? [16:00:17] May be we can have a short trip for you arranged to Samskrit Bharathi and kickstart the collaboration? [16:00:48] nehal ! [16:00:58] My inference is that for every 10 Wikipedians we may have 1 Wiktionarian active in the languages [16:01:23] So, most of the Indian Wiktionaries hardly hav one or two active Wiktionarians [16:03:11] If we hav clear focus like https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:1000_basic_English_words , we can easily hav some activity in all languages [16:03:12] yeah, thats correct [16:03:50] I am ready to all indian wikt . If you have a plan, pls inform me. [16:04:02] creating words using templates like https://ta.wiktionary.org/s/2en can help [16:04:27] Bodhisattwa: Did you find any increased activity after creating this template in bn wikt? [16:05:02] We are using this templates [16:05:28] Telling new users to use it also [16:05:37] In ml.wikt, they translated the 1000words [16:06:19] Bodhisattwa: Please have it added to the sitenotice [16:06:36] also, explain this page creation box in bn wiki village pump [16:06:40] Now i am adding audio files from commons to ml.wikt [16:06:42] and social media channels [16:07:07] We are also working in bn.wikt about the translation of 1000words [16:07:14] info-farmer: what kind of audio files? don't we have them in commons already? [16:07:30] 1000 BasicEnglish+UK [16:07:33] info-farmer: what kind of audio files? don't we have them in commons already? [16:07:50] Uk [16:07:54] I have seen my uncle who never bothers about wiki using an unofficial app for tamil wiktionary [16:08:07] until then, I didn't know that such an app existed ! [16:08:10] UK+US+AUS to BE words [16:08:23] So, may people can benefit from having basic words explained in their language [16:08:24] Many use dictionary every day than wikipedia [16:09:28] info-farmer: oh ok, I thought we have those files only in ta wikt. Missed that you said they are available in commons [16:09:29] we are also planning for adding bn audio files. [16:10:00] yes i saw more than 1200 people visit ta.wikt [16:11:01] I checked and added more than 1500 files [16:11:41] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/EN/Sitemap.htm says we have 814 views per hour [16:11:41] That is nic [16:12:45] Now i am trying to add both UK+US at a effort [16:13:22] info-farmer: Instead of you doing all the work, see if you can guide someone from local community [16:13:33] info-farmer: That way we can scale the work in all communities [16:13:39] yes [16:13:46] in te.wikt [16:14:00] one person joined with me [16:14:05] Can the 1000 Basic English words translated in all Indic languages, be used in one spread sheet and used in all wikt projects? [16:15:17] in sa.wikt also like i started they are continuing.. [16:15:32] Can the 1000 Basic English words translated in all Indic languages, be used in one spread sheet and used in all wikt projects? [16:17:56] to save time, we have to make entries [16:17:57] then only we can understand the particular tech need [16:17:57] ok [16:18:15] I think the translation section need special attention [16:18:40] now we are preparing to 1000 [16:24:14] we extracted uk audio files 1500 + US 13000 files [16:24:15] How can we sort common words of both UK+US [16:24:16] If we sort, while we upload [16:24:17] hey info-farmer and Ravidreams [16:24:17] some meeting going on? [16:24:17] we can add both UK+US audio links [16:24:18] shanmugam! surprise!! [16:24:19] welcome!!! [16:24:19] info-farmer: i usually idle here :) [16:24:19] what do we need for that audio files? [16:24:19] info-farmer: ^ [16:24:19] Spread sheet can make it easy but I would prefer the work be done directly in Wiktionary so people can get credit [16:24:19] we can use spreadsheets when automated work using scraped data is used [16:24:33] Bodhi! Shanmugam helped me to get the audio files in a shot time [16:25:57] Shanmugamp7: That's great :) [16:25:57] wow [16:25:58] great [16:26:19] Since, we are approaching the end of the session, may be I can share my views on a SIG for wiktionary [16:26:37] Shanmugamp7: If you can document the hack, we can add them for more languages [16:31:34] ravidreams_: its a API call, document is available in mediawiki.org [16:31:34] yeah [16:31:34] I learning to do all my my work opensource only [16:31:35] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=categorymembers&format=xml&cmtitle=Category%3ABritish_English_pronunciation&cmprop=title&cmnamespace=6&cmlimit=20000&converttitles= [16:31:35] finally! Onscreen key board is a must in all wiktionary [16:31:36] Shanmugamp7: Thanks [16:31:36] One question, how can the translation section of en.wikt can be created in other indic wikt? its really good [16:31:36] One can learn more about SIGs at http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair [16:31:36] so far we have only language based and city based SIGs [16:31:36] Bodhisattwa: info-farmer already checked with me for that, will try to get some script developer help to import that [16:31:37] yes i too thinking in your way Bodhi! [16:31:37] and theme based SIGs like gendergap and GLAM [16:31:38] Wiktionary can be our first Wikimedia projct based SIG [16:32:04] Shanmugamp7, great [16:32:08] Based on this experience, I hope we can form more SIGs for WikiSource, Mediawiki and Commons [16:32:31] My hope for Wiktionary SIG is to have basic things done [16:33:05] ok Bodhi! in this week end. we will upload the 1000 words with relavant media files [16:33:35] great [16:33:42] 1. Have Wiktionaries started or revived in all Indian languages having Wikipedias - http://wiki.wikimedia.in/List_of_Indian_language_wiki_projects [16:34:14] 2. Have at least 1 very active editor (making 100 edits a month) and 5 active users (making 5 edits a month) in all Wiktionaries [16:34:31] 3. Have 1000 basic english words created in all language Wiktionaries [16:34:47] 4. Identify and document all possible sources like DSLA for all languages [16:36:16] 5. Identify and gather free and public domain content that can get into Wiktionaries [16:36:16] 6. Connect interlanguage Wiktionarians to exchange best practices and tech talent [16:36:16] Outside this SIG, I can also try to push for a user friendly Wiktionary app (either with a India focus or the official app) [16:36:16] In a year, we will increase the wikt.production [16:36:16] We need an app that works offline [16:36:45] These can be the objectives of the Wiktionary SIG [16:36:50] Ravi! one question [16:36:52] Please feel free to add more and improve our focus [16:37:44] To give a basic understanding about SIG, so far it has been running like Wikiprojects only. But, we hope to revive the SIG model and make it more autonomous including a dedicated budget [16:42:38] info-farmer: Yes, please tell [16:42:39] how can implement the pop-up facility of oriya.wikt to ta.wikt? [16:42:39] https://or.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%AC%AC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%B6%E0%AD%87%E0%AC%B7:%E0%AC%A8%E0%AC%97%E0%AC%A6%E0%AC%AC%E0%AC%A6%E0%AC%B3 [16:42:40] OK Bodhi! Shall we close our discussion? [16:42:40] info-farmer: which pop-up facility? [16:43:58] r u in oriya.wikt page. Shanmugam! [16:44:11] if yes, [16:44:13] yes [16:44:50] place your mouse on a bliue link [16:45:44] ok [16:45:58] that will show info ( the inside of the link) [16:46:24] ok that is a script, i think we have that for tamil wiki also [16:47:22] or can u give me a screenshot info-farmer [16:47:25] info-farmer: OK, Bodhi is also not seen [16:47:26] you mean we have to activate? [16:47:51] there is a software feature also [16:47:52] once we figure out this pop=-up thing, we can close the discussion officially [16:47:57] feel free to continue chatting after that [16:48:18] he always facing conect-problem [16:49:13] Shall we leave? [16:49:38] ok !bye for now!! [16:50:03] i think you are talking about https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_Features/Hovercards [16:50:09] info-farmer: or ravidreams ^ [16:51:40] Ya [16:51:40] bye for today :) [16:51:45] ok [16:51:52] its available in all wikis [16:51:58] just we have to enable them [16:51:59] https://ta.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B1%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%81:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures [16:52:00] thank you Shan! [16:52:31] bye for now all of you [16:52:41] bye