[00:00:27] <^demon> build-precise1 gives me "Connection closed by 10.4.0.173" fyi. [00:01:10] oh [00:01:15] maybe you aren't in testlabs [00:03:26] <^demon> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/25462/ makes gerrit.pp better, still not perfect. [00:03:41] <^demon> It'll at least parse now :) [00:08:06] <^demon> Awesome, I already spot a couple things in the package we can improve. [00:08:20] just a couple? [00:08:21] :) [00:08:27] it at least needs to build [00:08:35] it just wraps a war right now [00:09:01] gerrit is restarting [00:12:00] <^demon> Package already handles gerrit2 user/group, so we can just strip that out of puppet prolly. [00:12:18] yeah [00:12:29] it has problems when the user already exists... [00:12:34] in ldap [00:12:50] that isn't a problem on manganese, but is on formey [00:13:38] <^demon> I'll refactor that tomorrow and strip that crap from puppet. [00:15:14] <^demon> Production gerrit's up for now, nothing keeping me from calling it a night :) [00:18:57] <^demon> Ok, ok, I'm done now. [00:19:02] <^demon> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/25464/ got committed first :p [03:27:16] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/status was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587761 edit summary: grammar [03:27:47] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/status was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587762 edit summary: latest [03:38:15] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587764 edit summary: /* Goals */ bots.wmflabs.org, analytics [03:43:14] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587765 edit summary: /* Test/Dev Labs */ anyone can test [03:53:18] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587767 edit summary: /* TODO */ db replication in the next 2-3 months, Ryan said in toolserver-l [03:55:40] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587768 edit summary: /* Communications */ labs capacity [04:04:04] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587774 edit summary: WikiMiniAtlas item dschwen mentioned on toolserver-l [04:05:46] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587775 edit summary: mmp [04:12:44] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587777 edit summary: /* Proposals */ global queueing sys [04:46:34] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587781 edit summary: /* TODO */ OSM API [04:58:24] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587784 edit summary: /* TODO */ adding & rearranging [09:16:04] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by Nemo bis link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587849 edit summary: minor additions [09:20:39] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by Nemo bis link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587852 edit summary: add from http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.toolserver/5326 [11:05:02] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by Nemo bis link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587873 edit summary: SFTP access to instances: [[mailarchive:labs-l/2012-September/000389.html]] [11:13:42] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by DamianZaremba link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587875 edit summary: [11:25:38] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by Nemo bis link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587888 edit summary: clarify [11:26:09] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs was modified, changed by DamianZaremba link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587889 edit summary: [12:00:37] * Damianz is convinced some people are on crack [12:05:32] heh [12:19:15] 2011-12-09 17:28:54< brion> i'm on crack or something, that was a) an extension and b) not the git checkout [12:19:21] Damianz: ^^ :o) [12:19:51] Exactly [12:22:52] Apparently I'm not allowed to use 'we' without adding some info to my userpage because I might be hiding while making 'tranchant' statements (I think they mean trenchant). [12:23:00] * Damianz thinks he'll just go back to making puppet pretty [12:27:24] roan also claims that jenkins and chrome are on crack as well [12:49:31] Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver features wanted in Tool Labs was modified, changed by Nemo bis link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587944 edit summary: platonides on sge [13:48:49] Oh Jenkins is on crack for sure [15:23:04] Change on 12mediawiki a page Developer access was modified, changed by Sharihareswara (WMF) link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=587977 edit summary: /* User:Merlissimo */ [15:30:24] !log wikidata-dev wikidata-dev-2: updated test system from git [15:30:25] Logged the message, Master [15:31:59] Hi. Anybody here who's able to talk about the labs rules (especially in combination with the planned future toolserver migration to labs)? [15:33:24] hi jongleur - welcome. andrewbogott do you have a moment? [15:33:26] The labs wiki says used data has to be licensed under a CC-License, but OpenStreetMap (used e.g. for the maps project I think already and for several projects currently running at the toolserver) isn't any more licensed as CC-BY-SA but as ODBL, which isn't allowed according to the rules page. [15:34:08] sumanah: Sure, what's up? [15:34:19] andrewbogott: jongleur's question ^ [15:34:33] ODBL vs CC? [15:34:37] jongleur: Andrew might not be able to answer it but maybe he can kick it to someone who knows [15:34:47] sure [15:34:57] quote from labs-wiki: "No content that isn't open – all content must be freely licensable under an applicable creative commons license." [15:37:00] jongleur: It's very likely that ODBL is OK, but this is probably a good email-list topic. Would you like me to start the thread or would you like to? [15:37:21] That's like a laywer question :P [15:37:33] I'm not yet at the labs list, but it's part of the big discussion started on the toolserver-list, I think [15:37:51] Damianz: Yeah, maybe. [15:38:06] but probably I should join the list for that, sure [15:38:11] yep :) [15:38:14] considering mediawiki is gpl it's fine [15:38:36] My understanding of that rule falls into 2 parts; you can't collaborate on closed code and getting sued is bad [15:38:52] Damianz: don't mix content licensing with data licensing [15:39:08] CC-Licenses are required for data according to the rules [15:39:17] and OSI open source licenses are required for code [15:39:31] GPL is a code license, ODBL a data license [15:39:51] and GPL therefore doesn't have to be a CC-license, but one accepted by OSI [15:39:54] define the line of code vs data, code is data, data is code [15:40:14] and OSI vs generally accepted is a dodgy place anyway [15:40:28] OSI is what people tend to go by and there's no real better alternative [15:40:36] if that's the case, I'm fine, but that's not what's written in the labs rules wiki page currently ,) [15:40:44] jongleur: agreed, it's a little unclear [15:41:02] the rules are still not 'in force' so to say, they should be before we open up from beta [15:41:03] jongleur: for example, the Labs page should specify better, for example, whether noncommercial licenses are ok, etc [15:41:08] so plenty of time to argue the point :) [15:41:19] Damianz: welllllllll Ryan would probably disagree and say the rules are in force [15:41:32] jongleur: thank you for bringing this up [15:41:33] sumanah: Page says draft, he wrote the page :D [15:41:44] I would say that the rules are in force but also probably subject to change :) [15:41:48] you're welcome [15:41:51] * sumanah agrees with andrewbogott [15:42:22] jongleur: I will compose a brief email -- let me know when you've subscribed and I will hit 'send' [15:42:24] jongleur: the labs list is not terribly high-traffic and it's usually good signal-to-noise ratio [15:42:27] on the subject of rules I should go update the docs with what I was doing yesterday [15:42:30] ;) [15:42:39] cool, thanks Damianz and thanks for fixing my error on the mediawiki.org page [15:42:45] with that forgotten bullet point [15:42:47] do you have a short link to the list register page? [15:42:54] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l [15:42:59] thx [15:43:03] glad to help [15:43:04] heh, np. I wondered if you moved it for some reason but it made no sense [15:43:12] jongleur, do you mind linking me to the page that specifies CC? [15:43:23] jongleur: btw I'm Sumana Harihareswara, Engineering Community Manager at the Wikimedia Foundation, not sure whether we've met [15:43:40] !log wikidata-dev wikidata-dev-2: Installed the Dismissable site notice extension on test repo. [15:43:41] Logged the message, Master [15:43:58] I don't think so as long as you're not active in the toolserver community, too somehow [15:44:00] Oh, probably TOS I guess [15:44:12] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:DamianZaremba < I can't tell if that guy is serious or not.... seems rather troll like [15:44:21] I'm more from the openstreetmap front, but that's supported by the toolserver currently, too [15:45:17] (which may be my next - and hopefully last remaining problem in moving to labs, as the look-and-listen-map is not directly connected to wikimedia/wikipedia itself) [15:46:06] argh, I need my phone to login. I'll do docs in a while then [15:46:07] subscription done [15:46:16] andrewbogott: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Terms_of_use [15:46:34] Ah, item 3? [15:46:45] yes [15:47:40] That rule is badly worded as technically it would force all user details to be released under cc for some projects which just isn't going to happen in full for priavcy shizzle [15:47:48] while CC fit's for texts, it does not yet has a database license as far as I know (at least it had none a year ago which was the main reason for people around osm to work out the odbl) [15:48:34] Damianz: well, I would not see user data as content here, but by wording probably you're right even tehre [15:49:09] Yeah that goes back to what defines 'content' and 'data' [15:49:14] sure [15:49:32] well... okay, then we can discuss the same about osm map data too ;) [15:49:50] but I'm sure that's even nearer to the content section [15:50:03] jongleur, would you like to be referred to in my email as 'jongleur' or with a different name? (Could get confusing if your email address uses a different handle) [15:51:28] no idea... usually I subscribe with "Peter", but even that's not clear from the mail adress... [15:51:49] use jongleur, at least that's my toolserver username (and nearly the wikipedia user name, there it's jongleur1983 ;) ) [15:52:10] jongleur: btw what country are you in? [15:52:17] Germany [15:52:27] It's not like we have a few dozen people with a different labs, meta, irc and email nick heh [15:52:31] jongleur: did I see you at the Berlin hackathon, last year or this year? [15:52:39] no [15:52:45] hope you can come next year, then [15:53:00] not sure [15:53:06] I'll see ;) [15:53:19] we do offer financial subsidy for people who need help getting there [15:53:29] sure [15:53:43] I think, this year was the first time I was aware of it, and it mainly was a timing issue [15:53:48] right [15:55:19] I tried to get the word out a lot more this year; this was the biggest Wikimedia Berlin hackathon, and the first year that it had so many gadgets, tools, templates, and bots developers in addition to MediaWiki developers [15:55:34] I want to continue that trend; the Wikimedia technical ecology benefits from cross-pollination [15:55:40] sumanah, any guess which would be the appropriate WMF list to loop in? Is there one specifically for legalese? [15:55:51] I allways thought it was more for mw devs than anything else tbh [15:56:05] Damianz: I can understand that perception, but going forward it's changing [15:56:13] for example, this year nearly the whole Ops team was there [15:56:16] * stwalkerster was on holiday at the time in the alps, or I would have gone :( [15:56:28] andrewbogott: well, there is legal@wikimedia but that is not a public list .... still, I think that's a good email to cc [15:56:42] it's just a way to make sure the "legal" part of LCA hears about it [15:56:44] Dunno, climbing in the alps sounds like a good idea but then germany does have good food and beer [15:56:47] (Legal and Community Advocacy) [15:56:54] sumanah: yep, sounds good. [15:56:58] stwalkerster: I am jealous in that I have never been to the Alps [15:57:31] jongleur: a bunch of videos are up https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hackathon_Berlin_2012 http://vimeo.com/album/2013929 [15:57:51] Is it bad I allways reconigze petan by his debian shirt? [15:58:31] jongleur: subscribed? [15:58:41] ah, yes, sorry [15:58:53] so: yes, I am ;) [16:00:59] sumanah: When do you usually put the date out for that? I assume sometime in q1 [16:01:08] * Damianz might remember to actually take holiday this year [16:01:13] Well next [16:01:15] Damianz: it's up to Wikimedia Germany generally [16:01:31] Damianz: let me recall .... yes, the date usually is announced sometime in the first quarter of the calendar year [16:02:12] Thinking about Germany I should book my FOSDEM stuff now the dates are out [16:02:47] (yes it's in Belgium not Germany, but europe is near enough one country) [16:05:16] sumanah, is it possible to get a project created in labs for the enwiki ACC tool? I want to think about getting started on making it possible to migrate from the toolserver at some point in the future [16:05:52] Yes, that sounds like a good idea to me, stwalkerster [16:09:07] thanks, how long will it take to create it? [16:11:21] ;) well... if the labs environment works, setting up a new project is 5 clicks and two minutes in OpenStack ;) (I'm working on an openstack based java framework for communication between OS-VMs in my daytime job) [16:12:43] * stwalkerster knows little about openstack, but I have worked with VM infrastructure (including AWS) before [16:13:07] andrewbogott_afk: what would assisting you look like? [16:13:37] stwalkerster: Andrew knows more than I do about that, sorry [16:13:42] http://www.thetravelacademy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/HelpingHands.jpg < something like that [16:14:22] sumanah, cool, I'll ping him when he stops being AFK :) [16:15:37] My theory is he's never really afk, just omni present [16:20:57] oh one more thing jongleur - Berlin this Sunday 30 Sept: you can hang out with some Wikidata & Wikimedia folks at the opensource meetup http://ur1.ca/afg13 [16:21:33] Sharihareswara is like a diary [16:21:44] how do? [16:21:46] er, how so? [16:22:00] sumanah: thanks, but won't make it, sorry ;) [16:22:02] you randomly know events going on around the world :P [16:22:27] jongleur: ah that's too bad. @MediaWikiMeet can tell you about additional events happening in case you want that [16:22:37] * sumanah puts stuff out on Twitter & Identi.ca [16:43:29] Oh cool [16:43:32] Folsom is out today [16:47:44] <^demon> petan: ping. [17:27:55] Change on 12mediawiki a page Developer access was modified, changed by Merlissimo link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=588027 edit summary: /* Requests */ hiding mail address [17:32:41] Anyone speak french? [17:41:00] <^demon> hashar: Once we get https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/25508/ in, we can just add role::gerrit::production::replicationdest to gallium :) [17:42:18] :o [17:42:32] Damianz: I can barely read French.... do you need reading, writing, speaking, or other? [17:47:40] ^demon: great :-] [17:47:51] ^demon: though that might not be needed anymore : / [17:48:09] ^demon: I am configuring a new jenkins/gerrit gateway which apparently take care of fetching the repos [17:49:08] ^demon: I am also going to need a patch to gerrit that comes from OpenStack. Will drop you a mail about it [17:49:17] <^demon> mmmk. [17:50:08] I kinda want to know if my dinner is sea food in pastry, https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/c0.0.403.403/p403x403/189224_4530316255686_753376776_n.jpg [17:50:24] Also, has anyone else upgraded to ios6 and noticed the wifi sucks, like sucks to the point that 3g is miles faster [17:50:30] ^demon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10138/ (against 2.4.2) Applying it to 2.5 seems to be trivial. [17:50:43] ^demon: will find out with the openstack people about getting that patch upstreamed [17:51:01] <^demon> Yeah, getting it upstreamed would be nice. [17:51:18] <^demon> Actually, I want to say it's already in the queue. [17:51:20] <^demon> This looks familiar. [17:51:41] https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/37930/1 [17:51:43] indeed [17:51:47] openstack-ci is the new acl framework thing we're using to bridge gerrit and jenkins for opening beta? [17:51:58] ^demon: the new gate system (zuul) depends on that change [17:52:25] <^demon> Indeed, it's pending upstream. https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/37930/ [17:52:28] <^demon> Thought I recognized it [17:53:26] feel free to get a look at it :-] [17:53:29] <^demon> Man, this is pretty trivial. Wonder if Edwin would sneak it into stable-2.5 [17:53:38] that would be VERY nice for us [17:53:45] or we will end up having to build a 2.5 + that patch [17:54:27] <^demon> (Which we may very well end up building our own 2.5 at the rate they're going on release, but doing it straight from branch is nicer) [17:54:38] Damianz: if you need help with some french and that is not urgent, drop me an email to hashar at free dot fr. Will be glad to help [17:54:47] Damianz: can't really help right now, I am about to have dinner [17:55:14] stwalkerster: I'm back now :) You wanted a new project? [17:55:36] yeah, please :) [17:56:24] anyway [17:56:24] one for the ACC project on enwiki, it's got an MMP at the toolserver at the moment, but I'm wanting to look into migrating at some point in the future [17:56:25] You already have gerrit account and bastion access and such? If so, what's your gerrit username? [17:56:26] off for dinner [17:56:30] stwalkerster [17:56:42] And what would you like the project to be named? [17:56:55] I've definitely got gerrit access, don't know about bastion access [17:57:05] "acc" would be good please :) [17:57:16] <^demon> Atlantic Coast Conference? [17:57:22] <^demon> (Acronyms are ambiguous...) [17:57:51] ^demon, something like that, yeah. :D ;) [17:58:20] fair enough, "account-creation-assistance" if you don't want to use acronyms :) [18:00:43] 09/27/2012 - 18:00:43 - Created a home directory for stwalkerster in project(s): bastion [18:01:48] stwalkerster: OK, you should now be able to create VMs here: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NovaInstance [18:01:55] thanks :) [18:02:07] But -- people almost always create VMs and then regret not having created security rules first [18:02:16] (You can't alter security groups on an existing instance.) [18:02:36] So if, for example, you'll want web access to an instance, you should create a 'web' sec group. Lemme find you the docs for that... [18:02:49] yeah, I think that's a bit like EC2 :) [18:03:08] security group stuff: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Security_Groups [18:03:19] (Which, for our purposes, 'security group' means 'firewall rules') [18:03:38] yep :) [18:03:56] I'm cooking dinner too as it happens [18:04:06] stwalkerster: If you want just a simple mediawiki install running on a VM, there's a a step-by-step for that here: https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:InstanceConfigMediawiki [18:04:36] sweet, thanks :) [18:04:45] security groups are one thing I'd love to be able to change, I suppose the idea is you'd just provision a new instance though [18:04:46] But best to make sure you can create a VM and access it via ssh before setting up specific configurations [18:05:41] 09/27/2012 - 18:05:40 - Creating a project directory for account-creation-assistance [18:05:41] 09/27/2012 - 18:05:41 - Created a home directory for stwalkerster in project(s): account-creation-assistance [18:10:46] 09/27/2012 - 18:10:46 - User stwalkerster may have been modified in LDAP or locally, updating key in project(s): account-creation-assistance [18:10:48] http://pastebin.com/9RBBniM1 so that's what happended to CIA [18:11:36] I'm having a bit of difficulty creating groups and rules, just getting the message "Failed to add rule." :( [18:12:06] interesting [18:13:53] so that means nova returned something that's not a 200 [18:14:01] * Damianz pokes andrewbogott to look at the logs [18:14:22] yep, looking [18:15:40] I'd love to improve these error messages, could do with looking at what nova actually returns past the headers though [18:15:44] 09/27/2012 - 18:15:43 - Created a home directory for andrew in project(s): account-creation-assistance [18:16:09] Hm, I also feel like you should've automatically had a 'default' group [18:19:13] yeah, ryan mentioned that bug still existing on the last new project [18:19:59] stwalkerster: I'm seeing funny stuff in the log, but I'm also able to add rules. Can you try adding the final rule to the 'default' group and see what happens? It should be 5666,5666,tcp,10.4.0.0/24 [18:20:34] If the new rule fails to validate you get that dumb 'failed to add' message, so possibly that's all you're seeing. [18:20:46] 09/27/2012 - 18:20:45 - User andrew may have been modified in LDAP or locally, updating key in project(s): account-creation-assistance [18:20:58] failed to add rule [18:22:23] Hm, the log didn't say anything at all when you did that [18:23:40] this is dumb, but… try logging out and in again? [18:23:58] considering the awesome mw auth core that's not that dumb heh [18:25:39] successfully added rule :) [18:26:14] well that shouldn't happen, it should at least give you a 'please ask an admin for creds' error [18:26:34] Where you logged in when andrewbogott added you to the project? [18:26:36] fun fact: Logging out and in again fixes everything [18:26:37] it's the "awesome mw auth core" :) [18:26:38] I wonder if /that/ bug is back [18:26:42] Damianz, yeah [18:27:19] Though that was just not refreshing your access, so you wouldn't have got the links. Meh, probably just bz it [18:27:30] well, "logged in" as in had a saved session in my browser, but no tabs open. [18:27:56] Do you use another browser at all? [18:28:06] (that usually sums up the auth core issue) [18:28:34] occasionally, for other stuff. But I've not logged in to labs with a different browser for at least the past month. [18:29:24] besides, I'm not actually sure what counts as a different browser since chrome's "other devices" sometimes syncs sessions between devices too... meh [18:30:18] If you didn't actually re-login somewhere else that shouldn't be the issue [18:59:28] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8318911/why-does-html-think-chucknorris-is-a-color the comments are pretty funny [19:12:41] <^demon> Damianz: I think the blog post about IE color values is even better. [19:12:43] <^demon> "If the individual RGB values are over 8 characters long, they are truncated to 8 characters by removing characters from the left. This, in particular, was unexpected." [19:12:52] <^demon> ... "Once the individual RGB values are under 8 characters long they are truncated by removing characters from the right." [19:13:08] o.0 [19:13:10] wtf [19:13:22] that's actually rofl [19:13:34] <^demon> Was linked from the stackoverflow post. [19:19:15] You have to love ie [19:21:15] <^demon> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Catrope/Bizarre_browser_bugs#Internet_Explorer was always fun :) [19:22:37] Oh nice, I didn't know Roan had a secret collection of bugs :D [19:42:39] Hi again! [19:43:17] So, is there any reason we don't have a reverse proxy setup to allow access to instances without public IPs? [19:44:08] someone hasn't had time to do it yet [19:44:10] if a scheme like http://proxy.wmflabs.org/instancename/ is used there wouldn't even be any overhead for DNS [19:44:15] it's scheduled for this next quater IIRC [19:44:45] give me one instance with a public IP and I set it up myself [19:44:47] we where going for something like bots.wmflabs.org -> shared proxy ip -> one or multiple instances, there's a wiki page about it [19:44:52] isn't that the dea of labs ;-) [19:45:06] dea->idea [19:45:16] well it really needs to be a service that's shared rather than a single nginx box or such [19:45:36] the proxy could live in a single instance [19:45:41] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Labs/Reverse_proxy_for_web_services [19:45:47] feel free to comment/work on it though [19:45:50] why would it need to be any more complex than that?! [19:45:56] and yes it could, but we want reliability and the ability to scale [19:46:06] oh, come on! [19:46:32] I want a bit more agility [19:46:51] I want to be able to work on my stuff when I am motivated and have time [19:47:00] This is not my full time job [19:47:27] nor is it mine, but it is interesting [19:48:19] doing a single box with nginx would work yes, it wouldn't scale horizontally, it would be hard to manage. Making a nova service means we can integrate it and give it a wider spread while keeping it redundant/performant. [19:48:20] waiting for the 'perfect' solution to be drafted is only of mild interest to me, especially if a 'goog enough for now' solution is easily obtainable [19:51:53] <^demon> Damn, I wish our gerrit box could support that config. [19:52:28] <^demon> http://p.defau.lt/?1NKoM_EYEy9a5uDu1g_2tw [19:54:09] good enough for now is seperate ips given to people, running lvs if loadbalancing is required [19:54:15] ^demon: We need moar ram [19:54:30] I bet it goes really quick with those settings heh [20:11:17] ok, IP please ;-) [20:22:47] dschwen, which project? [20:24:42] maps [20:24:48] for the wikiminiatlas-2 instance [20:27:01] Looks like there are two IPs allocated to that project already -- any chance you can recycle one of them? [20:27:09] (I don't mind allocating a third, just trying to conserve.) [20:27:21] let me find out [20:27:53] how big of a deal is an IP (i.e. how big is the pool)? [20:30:34] I think there are around 3x as many projects as we have available IPs [20:30:54] There are quite a few left, but not exactly 'lots' [20:31:10] projects?! even more instances I guess... [20:32:09] mh... [20:32:22] * andrewbogott rechecks the numbers [20:32:38] unfortunately Platonides just left. I wanted to bug him a little more about the webtools project [20:33:04] It might be closer to one IP per project, I can't tell. Lots of these are allocated but I can't tell if they're usefully allocated. [20:33:49] ok, I'll wait with the IP for now. once webtools exists I may be able to utilize it first. But sooner or later an IP for the WikiMiniAtlas would be great [20:35:23] It won't do me any harm to allocate it, if you're going to use it right away. [20:39:11] it would not be production use. for that tool I can work with tunneling for now. [20:46:53] andrewbogott: I heard Leslie is offering donuts for ips now [20:47:14] like 0.0.0.0 ? [20:48:00] no? not even a little bit? [20:48:11] I'll show myself out [20:48:20] ha [20:48:28] * Damianz is happy with his /8 subnet in the private ranges [21:00:39] Change on 12mediawiki a page Developer access was modified, changed by Miken32 link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=588085 edit summary: [22:49:01] lol: http://en.wikibooks.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges [22:50:34] vanadium is a server, I think in eqiad. What's its FQN ? [22:53:03] vanadium.eqiad.wmnet [22:53:08] you can't access it from labs though [22:57:48] Damianz, thanks, yes bastion knows the IP but can't access it, so ?? [22:58:21] ssh is blocked from labs to prod ranges to stop people potentially hijacking sessions [23:10:13] Damianz, OK from stat1 in production I can access vanadium.eqiad.wmnet . Is there an explanation of machine naming? I'd not heard of wmnet until now, vanadium.eqiad.wmflabs.wikimedia..wikitech.org 8-) [23:11:33] As far as I know vmnet is internal [23:11:39] like we have wmflabs [23:12:08] which is confusing because we have wmflabs.org (public), everything internal's fqdn is ..wmflabs and is only accessible 'internally' [23:39:55] * Damianz waves [23:53:43] is anyone who can grant an account for bot experiments here? [23:54:37] cupco: one of the people listed at https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/wiki/Access#Access_FAQ [23:55:45] thanks