[03:29:09] <Coren>	 Holy fuck.
[03:39:53] <Coren>	 Apparently, there is a patron saint of complete morons that was watching over me today.
[03:39:56] * Coren  sighs.

[03:40:24] <legoktm>	 :)
[03:40:29] <legoktm>	 Is that a good thing or bad? :P
[03:41:33] <Coren>	 It's a good thing.  I managed to have one of my more important passwords typed on IRC without my noticing for ~5h.
[03:41:59] <Coren>	 And yet, no accesses, no breaches, and I managed to change every password.
[03:42:13] <legoktm>	 Heh
[03:42:22] <legoktm>	 Security through non-obscurity.
[03:42:41] <Coren>	 Yeah, I think I'll pass on taking that (unwitting) gamble again, twvm.  :-)
[03:48:01] <Coren>	 Did you manage to test the queue change?
[03:49:19] <legoktm>	 Ah no, let me do that now
[03:49:36] <Coren>	 No rush, I only wanted to know if you ran into trouble.
[03:53:07] <AMadman>	 Does anyone know what the he--ck happened to bots-2?
[03:53:10] <AMadman>	 I had my code on it. :/
[03:53:23] <AMadman>	 Searched labs-l archives and didn't see anything. SAL has 12:57 labs-logs-bottie: madman: deleting bots-2 
[03:53:26] <AMadman>	 Which is BIZARRE.
[03:53:42] <AMadman>	 Because I didn't log that and I certainly don't have authority on that project to delete an instance.
[03:53:45] <legoktm>	 I think they all got moved into the bnr-*
[03:54:17] <AMadman>	 Well, that would explain why my cron jobs haven't been running.
[03:54:20] <legoktm>	 errr
[03:54:25] <AMadman>	 Data was moved?
[03:54:26] <legoktm>	 i thought petan migrated all the crons?
[03:54:42] <AMadman>	 Right but my code depends on PEAR packages that aren't installed.
[03:54:42] <legoktm>	 AMadman: well all of your data was in /data/project/something right?
[03:54:47] <AMadman>	 legoktm: Yes.
[03:54:48] <legoktm>	 hrmmmmm
[03:54:59] * legoktm  pokes addshore petan Damianz 

[03:55:20] <AMadman>	 (January 8th:      03:11 labs-logs-bottie: madman: Installed php-pear, HTTP_Request2, Log on bots-2. )
[03:55:44] <AMadman>	 I need to see if that can be done, puppetize or whatever, to get that working on a bnr.)
[03:56:03] <legoktm>	 well the problem with bnr is that no one has root except the admins :/
[03:56:09] <legoktm>	 problem/benefit
[03:56:13] <AMadman>	 Right.
[03:56:17] <AMadman>	 I get the costs and the benefits.
[03:56:18] <legoktm>	 Coren: I was just looking through something else, and it seems I can set a maxsize on the queue's.
[03:56:25] <AMadman>	 I guess I just missed the e-mail.
[03:56:33] <AMadman>	 And it's BIZARRE that someone else logged a message as me.
[03:56:35] <Coren>	 legoktm: Won't that cause the instertions to fail?
[03:57:02] <legoktm>	 Right, but I can just do a loop/sleep until it goes in or something.
[03:57:05] <AMadman>	 Someone may have sudoed to my user as scripts containing passwords are mode 600.
[03:57:12] <Coren>	 legoktm: And if it doesn't, then I expect it's set on a condition variable that'll wake the main thread as soon as one is taken off, which might be full of pain.
[03:57:40] <legoktm>	 It'll throw a Queue.Full error
[03:57:46] <AMadman>	 Actually I'm not even sure that would have required sudoing to my user for a root.
[03:58:16] <Coren>	 AMadman: It wouldn't have; but none of your files even would have needed accessing at all if they were in /data/project since that same filesystem is visible from every instance.
[03:58:29] <AMadman>	 Ah. Didn't know that.
[03:58:33] <legoktm>	 Which is probably easier for me to catch than setting up locks...
[03:59:02] <Coren>	 legoktm: You still need a condition variable otherwise your main thread will have to busy poll.  I.e.: bad.  :-)
[03:59:16] <legoktm>	 er, why?
[03:59:22] <AMadman>	 Then that removes even my working hypothesis. Having messages logged as me kind of decreases my trust in the shared environment, you know?
[03:59:33] <legoktm>	 cant i just time.sleep(30) or something?
[03:59:37] <Coren>	 AMadman: Understandably so.
[03:59:57] <Coren>	 legoktm: You could, but that's kind of sucky if your worker threads empty the queue in that interval.
[04:00:14] <Coren>	 legoktm: It'd work, though.  Kinda the low-tech option.  :-)
[04:00:34] <AMadman>	 Unless I misunderstand what was going on. I just noticed in history it says madman: deleting bots-2 (labs-logs-bottie)
[04:00:43] <AMadman>	 So it may have been directed at me instead-- ohhhh
[04:00:48] <AMadman>	 petrb: previous message was supposed to be logged as me (labs-logs-bottie)
[04:01:10] <AMadman>	 I apparently totally missed that in the SAL but not in the page history.
[04:01:18] <AMadman>	 >.> All is well in the world; I just can't read.
[04:01:23] <Coren>	 AMadman: There you go.  It seems like it was an error.  I'll have a word with Petr though, that's bad practice.
[04:01:57] <legoktm>	 Coren: I guess. Maybe when I have time I'll properly re-write it :P
[04:02:01] <AMadman>	 No, I totally understand how it could happen and he corrected it promptly. It was just startling when I searched for bots-2 and got my own name. Didn't see the context.
[04:02:52] <Coren>	 AMadman: Incidentally, if your tool is stable, the final tools project is ready for prime time.
[04:04:16] <AMadman>	 I'll look into it. I'll be totally honest and say I haven't been following discussion on that project on labs-l at all. Any e-mail I've gotten in the past month or two that hasn't been "action required" has been archived for later reading.
[04:04:21] <legoktm>	     put = False
[04:04:22] <legoktm>	     while not put:
[04:04:22] <legoktm>	         try:
[04:04:22] <legoktm>	             fetched.put(page)
[04:04:22] <legoktm>	             put = True
[04:04:22] <legoktm>	         except Queue.Full:
[04:04:23] <legoktm>	             time.sleep(30)
[04:04:27] <AMadman>	 But my workload's becoming manageable at work (it won't last).
[04:04:57] <AMadman>	 So I'll have a chance at least for the upcoming week.
[04:06:40] * AMadman  sets up local PEAR repository on bnr- as a quick and dirty fix until he can look into Puppet.

[04:08:03] <AMadman>	 Now I'm just entertained by having read that message without reading the one above it. Me: "I would SWEAR I haven't been drinking!"
[04:09:03] <Coren>	 legoktm: It'll work, I think.  It's also painful.  :-)
[04:09:22] <AMadman>	 Hm. If I had a crontab, where would it be... *cycles through instances*
[04:09:55] <legoktm>	 AMadman: I've gotten so confused in the past few months about where my crontab is, so I started storing it on a wiki page
[04:10:09] <AMadman>	 Yeah, I don't have one on any of the bnr servers.
[04:12:22] <jeremyb_>	 Coren: any tips for finding copy/paste sources for things that sound like maybe they weren't originally written onwiki?
[04:12:32] <jeremyb_>	 i'm mostly turning up WP mirrors
[04:14:22] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: The long something has been on-wiki, the harder it becomes.  What I usually do is google "some typical phrase" -"view history" which tends to exclude wikis.
[04:15:01] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: Or you can use madmanbot's manual check which tries to exclude known mirrors.
[04:15:14] <jeremyb_>	 hah, that's a new one: http://www.amazon.com/wiki/$1
[04:15:20] <jeremyb_>	 (for me)
[04:15:33] <Coren>	 "Shopping-enabled Wikipedia Page"
[04:15:45] <Coren>	 That's...  just ew.
[04:16:12] <jeremyb_>	 http://www.amazon.com/wiki/United_States
[04:16:31] <Coren>	 AMadman: Incidentally, I tried CSBot with the monitoring html active on tools.  Success.  :-)
[04:16:47] <jeremyb_>	 the ISBNs link to amazon pages
[04:16:51] <jeremyb_>	 i wonder what else they do
[04:16:59] <AMadman>	 Yeah, my mirrors list is pretty okay, due to the constant people telling me there's a new mirror site, and me adding them without just saying DIY.
[04:17:22] <AMadman>	 I mean, ahem.
[04:17:35] <AMadman>	 Coren: Excellent.
[04:17:36] <Coren>	 AMadman: Teach a man to fish.
[04:17:55] <Coren>	 AMadman: I mean, ahem.  :-)
[04:18:02] <AMadman>	 Yeah, I've been debating on a nice way to say it. Anyhow, doesn't take up that much of my time.
[04:18:14] <legoktm>	 InterfaceError: (2027, 'Malformed packet', None)
[04:18:20] <AMadman>	 Coren: Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
[04:18:21] <legoktm>	 thats a mysql thing...
[04:18:46] <Coren>	 AMadman: http://tools.wmflabs.org/csbot/csb.php
[04:18:48] <legoktm>	 ...
[04:18:59] <legoktm>	 I understand why they call you a madman ;)
[04:19:13] <jeremyb_>	 http://tools.wmflabs.org/home.html = 404
[04:19:14] <AMadman>	 :]
[04:19:31] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: Yeah, I don't actually have, like, useful content to put there yet.  :-)
[04:19:49] <jeremyb_>	 you could just redirect to a page onwiki :)
[04:20:00] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: Once the new tool interface is in place, that'll be an autogenerated list of tools.
[04:20:13] <jeremyb_>	 for now redirect :-)
[04:20:16] <legoktm>	 so what does https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/error-messages-client.html#error_cr_malformed_packet mean?
[04:20:24] <jeremyb_>	 anyway, how does one join tools at this point
[04:20:27] <jeremyb_>	 ?
[04:20:32] <legoktm>	 jeremyb_: you ask Coren very nicely ;)
[04:20:52] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: Heh.  In fact, to join the project you only need to ask any other member.
[04:21:03] <jeremyb_>	 ah
[04:21:15] <jeremyb_>	 can you have an onwiki request queue a la shell?
[04:21:22] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: Only thing that needs my intervention ATM is creating actual tools; and even then that's only temporary, we have a match to wikitech coming soon to self-serve.
[04:22:03] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: I don't know if there is support for it; shells has a magic userright to work.  We might be able to work it in though.
[04:22:23] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: The obvious question now, of course, is /do/ you want access?  :-)
[04:22:42] <Coren>	 legoktm: I have /no/ idea.
[04:22:43] <jeremyb_>	 you mean you have your own OSM?
[04:23:10] <jeremyb_>	 yes please :)
[04:23:28] <Coren>	 "OSM"?
[04:23:48] <legoktm>	 OpenStreetMap?
[04:23:54] <Coren>	 Successfully added jeremyb to tools.
[04:24:17] <jeremyb_>	 openstack manager
[04:24:19] <Coren>	 legoktm: That's the only expansion I know, but if that's what he mean, I don't understand in context.  :-)
[04:24:29] <legoktm>	 So, I'm just going to try running it again and hope it doesn't happen again.
[04:24:30] <jeremyb_>	 you have a mediawiki extension to manage tool creation?
[04:24:42] <jeremyb_>	 re: 31 04:21:22 < Coren> jeremyb_: Only thing that needs my intervention ATM is creating actual tools; and even then that's only  temporary, we have a match to wikitech coming soon to self-serve.
[04:25:02] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: It's going to be folded into Special:NovaProject
[04:25:27] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: The mechanism is more general; it's for service accounts.  It's use case is "like tools"  :-)
[04:25:45] <jeremyb_>	 huh
[04:26:01] <legoktm>	 local-legobot@tools-login:~$ jsub -N itwiki -mem 1G itwiki_persondata.py
[04:26:01] <legoktm>	 Your job 210 ("itwiki") has been submitted
[04:26:01] <legoktm>	 local-legobot@tools-login:~$ qstat
[04:26:01] <legoktm>	 local-legobot@tools-login:~$ cat itwiki.err
[04:26:01] <legoktm>	 local-legobot@tools-login:~$
[04:26:10] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: Good pointer to get you started: http://tools.wmflabs.org/?Help
[04:26:46] <jeremyb_>	 legoktm: that's a bad thing?
[04:27:04] <legoktm>	 jeremyb_: It means the job isn't running and spitting out any output nor error messages.
[04:27:21] <Coren>	 legoktm: failed       100 : assumedly after job
[04:27:21] <Coren>	 The code just failed quietly.
[04:28:04] <legoktm>	 No traceback? :/
[04:28:19] <jeremyb_>	 hrmmmm
[04:28:27] <Coren>	 maxvmem      484.324M
[04:28:34] <Coren>	 So it's not out of memory
[04:28:40] <jeremyb_>	 so, (not me, just thinking...) if you forget your shell name how do you find out what it is?
[04:28:49] <legoktm>	 Wait but if it only ran for less than a second
[04:28:53] <jeremyb_>	 i'm thinking it should be listed on [[special:preferences]]
[04:28:54] <Coren>	 In your preferences, on the Openstack tab
[04:28:54] <legoktm>	 How did it use up that much memory?
[04:29:13] <Coren>	 legoktm: Python is a monster just to start
[04:29:19] <jeremyb_>	 i don't see such a tab
[04:29:21] <legoktm>	 :x
[04:29:32] <legoktm>	 Gah
[04:29:37] <jeremyb_>	 ohhh
[04:29:45] <jeremyb_>	 helps, if i check the right wiki
[04:29:58] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: But I was wrong anyways, it's on the first tab not on Openstack.  :-)
[04:30:13] <Coren>	 jeremyb_: Just above the i18n section
[04:30:18] <jeremyb_>	 yeah. never mind. i was just checking the wrong wiki
[04:30:47] <jeremyb_>	 (i didn't realize your likk was to mediawikiwiki, was thinking it was wikitech)
[04:32:11] <Coren>	 legoktm: You can try starting the job manually to see if it works at all before submitting it to the grid.
[04:32:28] <legoktm>	 oh good point
[04:32:33] <legoktm>	 yeah its working
[04:32:45] <Coren>	 Hm.  How... odd.
[04:33:13] <Coren>	 Mind if I switch to your tool account to see if I can see what's up?
[04:33:39] <legoktm>	 Go for it
[04:34:58] <Coren>	 Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:35:12] <Coren>	 about 5 seconds in; no traceback
[04:35:21] <legoktm>	 uhhh
[04:35:27] <legoktm>	 running it normally?
[04:35:36] <legoktm>	 just $ python itwiki_persondata.py 
[04:35:37] <legoktm>	 right?
[04:35:45] <Coren>	 Yep.  Complete output:
[04:35:51] <Coren>	 starting
[04:35:51] <Coren>	 starting imports
[04:35:52] <Coren>	 imports ok
[04:35:52] <Coren>	 config
[04:35:52] <Coren>	 sites
[04:35:52] <Coren>	 def create item starts here
[04:35:52] <Coren>	 end def
[04:35:53] <Coren>	 100
[04:35:53] <Coren>	 19
[04:35:54] <Coren>	 13
[04:35:54] <Coren>	 Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:36:03] <legoktm>	 hmmmmmmmm
[04:36:12] <legoktm>	 the 100 means 100 pages were loaded
[04:36:33] <Coren>	 Python 2.7, right?
[04:36:35] <legoktm>	 yup
[04:36:42] <legoktm>	 19 and 13 mean 2 pages were processed
[04:37:02] <legoktm>	 except the second page wasnt pushed into the mysql db
[04:37:47] <Coren>	 #2  0x00000000004d1c3d in Py_FatalError ()
[04:37:47] <Coren>	 #3  0x00000000004b0d6f in ?? ()
[04:37:47] <Coren>	 #4  0x00002ad9e5ce1e9a in start_thread () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0
[04:37:47] <Coren>	 #5  0x00002ad9e6f2ccbd in clone () from /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6
[04:37:47] <Coren>	 #6  0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
[04:38:08] <legoktm>	 I have no clue what that would mean.
[04:38:21] <Coren>	 Python itself crashed trying to start a thread.
[04:38:26] <legoktm>	 Oh hmm
[04:38:48] <legoktm>	 But....
[04:38:57] <Coren>	 And then failed to output an error in Py_FalatError() (it bailed with a call to abort())
[04:38:58] <legoktm>	 At that point it shouldn't be starting a new thread.
[04:39:16] <legoktm>	 Unless oursql uses threads internally...
[04:40:28] <Coren>	 That seems like a plausible guess.
[04:40:57] * Coren  tries something.

[04:41:30] <legoktm>	 ok
[04:41:41] <Coren>	 Something odd with that oursql build.
[04:41:55] <legoktm>	 I've never had issues with it until just now
[04:42:54] <Coren>	 I think I see what goes on.  because pip didn't see a system update.
[04:43:08] <Coren>	 Yeah, 10:1 that's it.
[04:43:12] <Coren>	 Give me a minute.
[04:43:15] <legoktm>	 ok :)
[04:43:37] <legoktm>	 The only downside of pip is that there is no "--update-all" feature
[04:43:46] <legoktm>	 I wrote my own hack for that though
[04:43:57] <Coren>	 That was it.  Lemme upgrade the rest of the grid.
[04:44:06] <legoktm>	 yay :D
[04:44:41] <Coren>	 (libmysql was updated; apparently oursql had a break in its use of it that didn't track without an update)
[04:44:57] <Coren>	 Maybe just a rebuild would have done.
[04:49:33] <Coren>	 {{done}}
[04:50:09] <legoktm>	 Ok, should I just test it with jsub?
[04:52:07] <legoktm>	 Coren: ^
[04:52:33] <Coren>	 You can; either will do.  Depends on your confidence level really.  :-)
[04:52:47] <legoktm>	 > Your job 211 ("itwiki") has been submitted
[04:53:28] <legoktm>	 ughh
[04:53:28] <legoktm>	 InterfaceError: (2027, 'Malformed packet', None)
[04:55:19] <Coren>	 That, I have no idea what it is.
[04:55:33] <Coren>	 But it doesn't sound like a good thing.
[04:55:53] <legoktm>	 hmmm
[04:55:58] <legoktm>	 if i run it manually
[04:55:59] <legoktm>	 Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[04:56:09] <legoktm>	 so it seems jsub gets farther
[04:57:15] <legoktm>	 meh
[04:57:31] <legoktm>	 At this point, it seems like it would be easier to drop all the threads and just have it run in just one thread.
[05:02:21] <legoktm>	 thanks for all your help though Coren :)
[05:03:05] <Coren>	 "Malformed packet" sounds like some sort of heap corruption, which might explain the randomish behaviour.
[05:03:26] <Coren>	 But sure.  I'm always on-hand for help at need.
[05:05:02] <jeremyb_>	 did you guys ever decide about shared primary group?
[05:05:11] <jeremyb_>	 (or role primary group)
[05:06:33] <wm-bot>	 Change on 12mediawiki a page Wikimedia Labs/Tool Labs/Help was modified, changed by Jeremyb link https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=666804 edit summary: [-46] /* Access */ hardcoded external link -> interwiki!
[05:06:41] * jeremyb_  pats wm-bot

[05:07:45] * Jasper_Deng  assumes IPv6 support is in Tool Labs' design

[05:08:03] <jeremyb_>	 Jasper_Deng: err?
[05:08:05] <jeremyb_>	 it's labs...
[05:08:12] <jeremyb_>	 so no ipv6!
[05:08:16] <jeremyb_>	 :-)
[05:08:21] <Jasper_Deng>	 jeremyb_: yeah, but it's on labs' roadmap includes it
[05:08:31] <jeremyb_>	 yeah...
[05:08:38] <jeremyb_>	 but who knows when that will be
[05:08:45] <Jasper_Deng>	 that seems to have been kicked down the road for at least 6 months now
[05:10:42] <Jasper_Deng>	 jeremyb_: but what exactly must be done for IPv6?
[05:10:53] <Jasper_Deng>	 (Ryan said it was something w/ adding a second zone @ eqiad)
[05:12:49] <jeremyb_>	 i never heard that
[05:18:03] <Jasper_Deng>	 that was a while ago though
[05:18:09] <Jasper_Deng>	 (in December)
[05:20:51] <Jasper_Deng>	 jeremyb_: and ftr, I was asking Ryan about his comment @ https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35947
[05:21:44] <jeremyb_>	 idk
[05:21:48] <jeremyb_>	 i have to sleep
[06:54:25] <legoktm>	 legoktm@bots-gs:/public/datasets/public$ cd enwiki
[06:54:26] <legoktm>	 -bash: cd: enwiki: Invalid argument
[06:54:30] <legoktm>	 petan: 
[06:56:36] <legoktm>	 Coren: same thing happens on tools...
[07:00:02] <Jan_Luca>	 legoktm: This seems to be a general problem but Ryan_Lane and andrewbogott seems to offline
[07:00:12] <legoktm>	 ok
[08:17:32] <Jan_Luca>	 !log wikiversity-sandbox Set up new frontend instance wikiversity-sandbox-frontend
[08:17:35] <labs-morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[08:18:02] <Jan_Luca>	 !log wikiversity-sandbox Run "aptitude full-upgrade" on wikiversity-sandbox-frontend
[08:18:04] <labs-morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[08:27:34] <Jan_Luca>	 !log wikiversity-sandbox Reboot wikiversity-sandbox-frontend to install the updates
[08:27:36] <labs-morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[11:47:23] <petan>	 legoktm hi
[11:47:29] <legoktm>	 hey petan 
[11:47:40] <petan>	 legoktm that is probably some gluster issue, does it work on some other instance
[11:47:55] <petan>	 if not then the server which is hosting that folder is having troubles
[11:48:37] <legoktm>	 hmm
[11:48:47] <legoktm>	 my script on bots-bnr1 accessed it fine i think
[11:49:03] <legoktm>	 and i think like 5 out of my 198 jobs worked
[11:50:29] <legoktm>	 hmm not any more
[12:04:06] <petan>	 legoktm which folder doesn't work
[12:04:30] <legoktm>	 /public/datasets/public/enwiki/
[12:04:34] <petan>	 aha
[12:04:37] <petan>	 yes it's broken
[12:04:55] <petan>	 you need RYan
[12:09:39] <petan>	 @notify Ryan_Lane
[12:09:39] <wm-bot>	 I will notify you, when I see Ryan_Lane around here
[15:36:51] <Coren>	 petan: Yeah; that NFS seems broken but I can't seem to find a local cause.
[15:47:24] <Coren>	 How... interesting.  I almost, but not quite, can get to labstore1 to see what's up.  Will have to wait for Ryan_Lane
[17:55:56] <Jan_Luca>	 !log wikiversity-sandbox Installed Moodle
[17:55:58] <labs-morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[18:19:08] <Thehelpfulone>	 petan, can you comment on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46586 when you get a minute please?
[18:19:20] <petan>	 hey
[18:19:46] <Thehelpfulone>	 hey :)
[18:52:01] <petan>	 legoktm did you manage to fix your prob?
[18:52:42] <legoktm>	 lemme check
[18:53:06] <legoktm>	 nope
[18:53:06] <legoktm>	 legoktm@bots-gs:~$ cd /public/datasets/public/enwiki
[18:53:06] <legoktm>	 -bash: cd: /public/datasets/public/enwiki: Invalid argument
[18:53:08] <petan>	 also what about the memory issues
[18:53:13] <petan>	 mhm
[18:53:17] <petan>	 it's probably still borked
[18:53:36] <legoktm>	 oh i gave up on the memory thing
[18:53:44] <petan>	 heh
[18:53:53] <petan>	 don't tell me it doesn't work on obts
[18:53:54] <petan>	 bots
[18:54:02] * Damianz  pats petan

[18:54:42] <legoktm>	 i never tried it on bots
[19:11:24] <petan>	 legoktm I am pretty sure it would work there
[19:12:30] * Damianz  frowns at debian

[19:13:37] <legoktm>	 petan: probably, but i already have the rest of it set up on tools, and this is just one part of it, so id rather not move everything else too
[19:14:46] <petan>	 ok
[19:15:00] <petan>	 Damianz? :P
[19:15:05] <petan>	 debian <3
[19:16:38] <Damianz>	 it's a pain for pxe booting into a single app, exiting then rebooting