[05:23:38] I've modified /etc/ssh/sshd_config repeatedly on this labs instance, and once I log out and log in after sometime it gets reset to what it originally was. What sorcery is this? :P Something to do with a poppet? [05:40:18] scfc_de: [05:40:20] ? [05:42:06] @seen petan [05:42:06] zhuyifei1999: Last time I saw petan they were quitting the network with reason: Remote host closed the connection N/A at 7/5/2013 1:37:19 PM (16:04:47.4740210 ago) [05:42:30] @seen scfc_de [05:42:30] zhuyifei1999: Last time I saw scfc_de they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) N/A at 7/6/2013 1:36:51 AM (04:05:39.3469380 ago) [05:43:41] @seen Steinsplitter [05:43:41] zhuyifei1999: Last time I saw Steinsplitter they were leaving the channel #wikimedia-commons at 7/5/2013 10:36:24 PM (07:07:16.5532310 ago) [05:48:02] @seen Cyberpower678 [05:48:02] zhuyifei1999: Last time I saw Cyberpower678 they were changing the nickname to CP678|Vacation, but CP678|Vacation is no longer in channel #xlabs at 7/6/2013 2:56:44 AM (02:51:17.4331770 ago) [07:10:32] @add #wikimedia-commons [07:10:32] Permission denied [07:18:33] :'(:'( and :'( [07:24:02] @seen petan [07:24:02] Steinsplitter: Last time I saw petan they were quitting the network with reason: Remote host closed the connection N/A at 7/5/2013 1:37:19 PM (17:46:43.6662270 ago) [07:24:22] maaaaaaaaaaaaah .......... [08:15:08] hi petan i need your help [08:15:13] hello [08:15:39] i has asked Ryan Lane to put wm bot in the #wikimedia-commons channel. Bu he dos not hav added me to the trust group .... :( [08:17:25] thx :) [08:17:32] yw [10:47:57] YuviPanda: Guess what, I installed BNC on my server with the fancy goodies like logs and storing-private-messages-while offline blah blah. [10:48:05] * nileshc is so happy ^_^ [10:49:50] @seen Steinsplitter [10:49:50] zhuyifei1999: Last time I saw Steinsplitter they were leaving the channel #wikimedia-labs at 7/6/2013 10:43:41 AM (00:06:08.8238990 ago) [10:55:53] nileshc BNC... so ancient technology :D [12:53:06] hi [12:53:32] [triton@aquila maintenance]$ tar xfv 123.dbxmldump.sql.gz [12:53:32] tar: This does not look like a tar archive [12:53:55] hm. o:O. the wpdumg, box to entar? o_O [12:54:24] omg. i am a idiot. wrong comman -.- [12:55:34] *using gzip* :) [13:12:01] Steinsplitter: :P [13:12:23] zhuyifei1999: and now 7z o.O. [13:12:32] i hav never worked wit 7z :P [13:12:36] *searching commando* [13:12:46] Steinsplitter: What? [13:13:39] https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/6e6f6d1b-95c3-46df-8a26-b7efd8ee4b57/entry/how_to_use_7zip_on_linux_command_line144?lang=en [13:13:41] 7z x blah.7z [13:13:55] 7z is really useful [13:14:08] I don't like it [13:14:21] that thing is trying to be different in everything [13:14:53] i hate it too... [13:14:59] the lmza compression is one of the best on the market [13:15:02] if it was a proper software it would follow same interface as its predecesors had, so 7unz or 7z -d should work [13:15:38] it uses custom way of parameter parsing which differs from all GNU commands and that make it suck [13:16:30] -bash: 7z: command not found [13:16:43] maybe p7z? [13:16:46] whatever... i do it lokal on my pc and upload it. dos not hav root access. [13:16:50] you need to install it [13:16:50] no. i hav tried a lot [13:16:56] TRAFFIC *evil* [13:17:58] Coren|Dinner what is -tyrant why it's not in docs? [13:17:59] petan: it just uses rar-style command line options. [13:18:06] !sal [13:18:06] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Labs_Server_Admin_Log [13:18:18] petan: so stating 'if it was a proper software it would follow same interface as its predecesors' is just BS, because *it is doing that* [13:18:22] you just don't like that specific interface [13:19:06] no it's not BS, rar is far newer than tar or gz, so even that is using some new, different interface [13:19:23] yes, because no-one was using tar and gz in the dos/windows world [13:19:58] ok so that guy created a linux version of 7z with windows-style command line parser. how nice [13:20:10] yes, because then it's consistent with all other versions of 7z [13:20:30] no, it's consistent with widows versions [13:21:15] petan: no. i hav downloaded the .xml dump of wikinews and WAAAHAHA :7z: OMG. [13:21:35] (15:19:58) petan: ok so that guy created a linux version of 7z with windows-style command line parser. how nice [13:21:35] :O [13:23:10] petan: yes, because, you know, that's what 7zip was released for originally. [13:23:52] that doesn't justify anything... it still suck [13:24:14] whatever... exit. i do it later on my home pc. [13:25:48] petan: GNU or other ways of parsing arguments are completely arbitrary, so each choice is made 'for historical reasons' in the end. [13:26:01] As mentioned: you just don't like the end result. [13:26:17] people who have used 7z on windows *will* like the end result [13:26:55] and, hey, the debian folks agree with both, and have written a wrapper that accepts GNU-style arguments: p7zip [13:26:56] GNU ways are well established and known, and nothing else superseed them, the other ways are not better (though some are not worse either) they are just different and bring in a lot of confusion [13:27:12] 7z :puke: [13:27:26] why not just use .xz? isn't it the same algorithm? [13:27:32] yes, but the GNU ways are completely irrelevant outside of GNU platforms [13:27:35] yes it is [13:28:14] valhallasw windows ways are completely irrelevant outside of windows platforms [13:28:21] so... [13:28:36] I am talking about 7z being crap on linux, not about it being crap on windows [13:29:00] if that guy decided to use windows friendly in windows and linux friendly 7z in linux it would be perfect [13:29:02] 7z is crap on linux ... :P [13:29:04] petan: no, you were acting like it was a completely retarded choice to use the same format as on windows, which it is not [13:29:14] I still say it is [13:29:25] petan: er, no, because then you would have to learn two types of arguments depending on the system, which is *also* stupid. [13:29:49] and, as mentioned, use p7zip if you care so much about having the GNU-way of doing things [13:30:03] no you wouldn't because if you ever knew how to use linux, you would know how to use GNU way just as you would know how the doubleclick works in windows and what start menu is if you were a windows user [13:30:25] 2013-07-06 13:19:14 done All pages with complete edit history (.7z)kywikiquote-20130706-pages-meta-history.xml.7z 152 KB [13:30:28] o__________________________________________O [13:30:40] http://dumps.wikimedia.org/kywikiquote/20130706/ :P [13:31:09] I never had to learn how to use other tools in linux which were following the established standards. But I had to learn how to use 7z and I keep forgetting it, which makes it pretty unusable and crappy tool for anyone who is used to linux [13:31:43] it's just about all tools following same standards and 1 guy who likes being different for unknown reasons [13:32:08] petan: and you never have problems with zip, where -f suddenly doesn't mean 'write to file' but 'freshen'? [13:32:21] whatever. This is the forst time that i hav tryed to unzip a 7z [13:32:26] not really... I never had problems with zip [13:32:27] *lol* unzip a 7z :P [13:32:50] I would expect -f to be --force anyway, I would never expect it to be write-to-file :P [13:33:18] but you can always do zip --help to see what it means... or man zip, the commons options are same everywhere, like -d [13:33:21] petan: what, you've never used tar -cjf ? [13:33:37] you were talking about zip now you talk about tar [13:33:59] ah, like -d, which is 'diff' for tar and 'delete entries in directory' for zip ? [13:34:59] I am not comparing zip and tar which are different kind of programs (zip is compression software) (tar is archiving / packaging) [13:35:06] tar doesn't do compression [13:35:26] comparing tar and zip is like comparing rm and microsoft word :P [13:35:29] 'the commons options are same everywhere, like -d" < then what do you mean with 'everywhere'? [13:35:55] it's prefixed with dash so everyone knows that it's a 1 char parameter at least [13:36:01] petan: er, zip *does* do archiving/packaging, so your argument is moot [13:36:07] well, yes, that is true [13:36:39] 7z x sounds like hey 7z do something with file "x" [13:39:34] yes, I agree with you on that. [13:40:13] anyway, as mentioned before, use p7zip and all your troubles go away [13:40:34] 7z x --> compress to x.7z; 7z -d x.7z --> decompress to x [14:02:51] "Tar doesn't do compression"? :-) [14:03:41] * YuviPanda tars everyone [14:20:16] petan: replying long after: Indeed. Took a few mins to configure to my tastes and as shiny as anything now. :) What would recommend as an alternative though? [14:24:22] nileshc unfortunately that depends on your irc client :/ BNC is oldest but also most compatible [14:25:32] well, tar can do compression, by using gzip, bzip2, compress, or xz [14:25:34] I use Pinguy (a polished Ubuntu) as my desktop distro of choice, and it comes with XChat, so I've just stuck to it, haven't explored further.. [14:26:32] AzaToth: But that's not tar doing the compression, that's "tar"ing and then "gzip"ing or "bzip2"ing. [14:26:46] nileshc: I use ZNC [14:26:47] nileshc: I know [14:26:59] isn't that The Unix Way(tm)? [14:27:07] 'small tools that do one thing well working together'? [14:27:08] nileshc: I was reflecting on the ambigiousity regarding "doing" [14:27:26] also, Steinsplitter do you have crat on betalabs commons? [14:27:51] YuviPanda: Oops, I've been saying "BNC" all along. Yes, I meant to say I set up ZNC on my server. [14:28:04] chrismcmahonafk: so if a patch gets merged on UploadWizard, it should be deployed to betalabs pretty soon automatically, right? what if I have to runmaintenance scripts? [14:28:04] AzaToth: ah. :) [14:31:49] ConfusedPanda: lol. You just made my day. [14:32:01] with what? [14:32:05] the nick? [14:32:12] you'll get used to it :) [14:32:33] Hehe, yeah. So it's another usual thing here! [14:34:00] yeah [15:12:19] nileshc: Only for Yuvi. Don't judge us based on his insanity! [17:02:53] marktraceur: Haha :D [17:12:03] hmm, puppet people arouind anyone? [18:22:34] AzaToth, Coren tar doesn't do compression, it can only use 3rd libraries of gzip, xz etc to do that... but tool itself is not [18:23:43] petan: and I didn't say that? ツ [18:24:14] I don't know [18:25:18] :-P [18:32:25] Coren what is -tyrant for [18:32:51] petan: Experimenting with uwsgi emperor in tyrant mode. [18:32:58] ah [18:33:55] Coren I am wondering why you don't use beta for experimenting [18:34:01] because that's why we made it [18:34:20] same for apache 2.4 tests you rolled back after some problems [18:34:21] Because that's not a change of infrastructure; it's a new server. :-) [18:34:33] petan: That was before beta was ready for prime time. :-) [18:34:41] new server is kind of change that could be tested [18:35:08] as well as new version of apache, if you tested it on beta you would figure out there will be problems, which by the way I told you some weeks ago :P [18:35:24] I tested 2.4 myself and found out some issues [18:35:28] not sure if same as yours [19:42:26] !log toolsbeta rebooting login [19:42:28] Logged the message, Master [19:42:59] Coren ping [19:43:22] some time ago you said something about a separate labs project for mediawiki only, instead of using tools for it [19:43:48] is there any progress in that or are you still going to make that instead of tools [19:49:46] @notify Beetstra [19:49:46] I'll let you know when I see Beetstra around here [19:50:53] petan: Coren said they were planning on doing something like that in end of this next mont [19:50:54] h [19:53:12] hm, this or next? :o [19:53:34] I guess we two could help him set it up... [23:03:31] Err, Coren rfx-tally terminated for no reason. Can you explain? [23:05:07] petan, ? [23:08:04] It's dead in here. [23:08:11] Oh well. I'll ask later. [23:16:34] CP678|Vacation: Did it get killed for memory limits? [23:55:01] dead ha [23:55:11] what he talk about lol it's never dead in labs