[14:48:24] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Anomie: [C: 031] "Seems sane to me. Haven't tested." [extensions/CommonsMetadata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96528 (owner: 10Gergő Tisza)
[17:42:19] <marktraceur>	 So! Re: Team meeting things, I'm going to set up a VPS later-ish tonight and stick Mumble on it, because I don't have any faith in Labs to manage that right now. If we like it we could maybe bother OIT to manage a Mumble server again.
[17:42:30] <marktraceur>	 (we used to have mumble.corp.wikimedia.org, but nobody used it I guess)
[18:03:24] <kouiskas>	 at dA we've used mumble for the past 1.5+ years for group meetings and it works much better than anything we had before
[18:03:30] <kouiskas>	 including paid solutions
[18:04:28] <kouiskas>	 the weekly calls have 40-50 people on them
[18:06:32] <kouiskas>	 the only thing is that people attending need discipline about their setup, voice-activation doesn't work so well, push-to-talk is definitely the best way to not accidentally talk over someone or have your voice constantly chop off because the threshold is wrong
[18:07:18] <kouiskas>	 it can make for messy calls at first when people expect voice activation to work as well as hangout's or skype's
[19:22:24] <marktraceur>	 kouiskas: Thanks for the input! Did your other attempts include video chat at all?
[19:22:42] <marktraceur>	 Because we're using video now and I feel like it's distracting more than anything
[19:22:58] <marktraceur>	 Like, people focus on watching the video instead of doing something useful like taking notes or pasting links
[19:24:03] <marktraceur>	 (oh, right, I forgot who kouiskas was for a second, now it makes sense)
[21:17:00] <grrrit-wm>	 (03CR) 10Aaron Schulz: [C: 031] "Ugh :)" [extensions/CommonsMetadata] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/96528 (owner: 10Gergő Tisza)
[21:25:19] <marktraceur>	 tgr, aaron_arcos, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/100693 :D
[21:25:28] <marktraceur>	 fab<tab> says he likes it.
[21:26:55] <tgr>	 won't you need a spinner for the metadata, though?
[21:28:55] <marktraceur>	 tgr: Ehhhhh, I think that takes significantly less time, but we could stick it in
[21:31:10] <tgr>	 image loading can be instant when it's cached already
[21:31:36] <tgr>	 metadata loading should be almost instant, but then, things happen
[21:32:25] <marktraceur>	 Heh
[21:32:25] <marktraceur>	 Yeah.
[21:32:54] <marktraceur>	 Metadata should be more cacheable than thumbnails, methinks, because different thumbnail sizes have the same metadata...oh, wait, no, we ask for thumbnail URLs too.
[21:33:38] <tgr>	 does the API set cache headers?
[21:33:45] <tgr>	 i would guess not
[21:34:00] <bawolff>	 tgr: Not normally, but you can trigger them with url parameters
[21:34:09] <bawolff>	 for most modules
[21:34:23] <tgr>	 maybe we should do that then
[21:36:52] <bawolff>	 Just keep in mind, that there would be no cache invalidation, and people like seeing their uploads be instant changes (as demonstrated by how angry people got when all the squids broke)
[21:38:21] <tgr>	 probably less painful for metadata than for the actual image, but yeah, could be a problem
[21:39:11] <tgr>	 remote metadata is already heavily cached, though
[21:56:28] <bd808>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Version#sv-credits-media
[21:59:28] <bawolff>	 dan should capitalize his name
[21:59:35] <bawolff>	 also Woo
[22:00:01] * bawolff  notes that technically, gwtoolset is not a "media handler"

[22:10:25] <bawolff>	 bd808: Looks like gwtoolset just got noticed on #wikimedia-commons
[22:11:19] <bawolff>	 bd808: People at commons are wondering if they can make some sort of anouncement about gwtoolset
[22:11:30] <bd808>	 bawolff: ugh
[22:11:41] <bawolff>	 [16:09]	<Steinsplitter>	hmmmm :D GWToolset user)
[22:11:43] <bawolff>	 [16:10]	<twkozlowski>	Yeah.
[22:11:44] <bawolff>	 [16:11]	<bawolff>	indeed
[22:11:46] <bawolff>	 [16:12]	<Steinsplitter>	not work for me, only if in group?
[22:11:48] <bawolff>	 [16:12]	<twkozlowski>	Should we tell people about this, or is this our treasured secret now?
[22:12:15] <bd808>	 Fabrice sent an email to Dan and Davis about that last night/this morning
[22:12:18] <marktraceur>	 Is that what that means?
[22:12:27] <marktraceur>	 I couldn't parse Steinsplitter's message
[22:12:29] <bd808>	 I'd recommend that *David
[22:12:43] <bawolff>	 I meant odder's message
[22:12:56] <bawolff>	 Steinsplitter I think is just trying to use it, and determined he doesn't have the rights
[22:13:07] <marktraceur>	 Ah.
[22:38:53] <kouiskas>	 marktraceur: we never looked into video, it was never a priority for us. I think mainly because we used hangouts for a while, when it first became available and then it became less and less used once the novelty wore off
[22:39:19] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[22:39:30] * bd808  waves to kouiskas 

[22:42:02] <kouiskas>	  /me waves back
[22:42:18] <kouiskas>	 silly irc client
[22:42:31] <marktraceur>	 Heh
[22:44:28] <kouiskas>	 there might be webrtc things out there now, that tech wasn't mature last time I looked at the video chat issue
[22:46:17] <kouiskas>	 https://vline.com/ this looks like an interesting example
[22:52:12] <marktraceur>	 kouiskas: If we're looking for WebRTC based but not free, Hangouts is that
[22:52:22] <marktraceur>	 We're looking for something that's free turtles all the way down
[22:52:25] <marktraceur>	 chatb hopefully.
[23:55:03] <marktraceur>	 Ugh, I guess I *should* make the stdin reader class an EventEmitter subclass
[23:55:14] <marktraceur>	 Bloody best practices