[09:43:15] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Backport a fix from change I835385802 [extensions/MultimediaViewer] (wmf/1.23wmf14) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114714 (owner: 10Ori.livneh) [11:16:42] (03PS1) 10Gilles: Fix hash handling issues [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 [11:17:06] #254: (GD) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 S:ACR -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/254 [11:17:43] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Fix hash handling issues [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 (owner: 10Gilles) [11:18:06] #254: (GD) Description changed -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/254 [11:19:08] (03CR) 10Gilles: "recheck" [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 (owner: 10Gilles) [11:32:58] (03PS2) 10Gilles: Fix hash handling issues [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 [11:33:41] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Fix hash handling issues [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 (owner: 10Gilles) [11:35:09] (03PS3) 10Gilles: Fix hash handling issues [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 [11:35:42] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Fix hash handling issues [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 (owner: 10Gilles) [11:36:25] (03PS4) 10Gilles: Fixes hash handling issues [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 [13:32:06] #255: (GD) P:Sh|S:IA|R:#MQ-R2|T:Td Description changed -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/255 [13:47:06] #234: (GD) S:R -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/234 [16:30:07] #146: (GD) Description changed -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/146 [16:32:46] HI, i have a proposal to discuss regarding multimedia viewer please go through https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Allow_smoother_and_easier_Wikimedia_Commons_pictures_discovery [16:36:43] (03PS5) 10Gilles: Blurred thumbnail preview + progress bar [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/113963 [16:36:46] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Blurred thumbnail preview + progress bar [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/113963 (owner: 10Gilles) [16:40:03] HI, i have a proposal to discuss regarding multimedia viewer please go through https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Allow_smoother_and_easier_Wikimedia_Commons_pictures_discovery [16:46:48] aalekhN: May I recommend a grammar check - it will probably make a difference to people who read your proposal [16:47:38] on it [16:48:00] (03PS6) 10Gilles: Blurred thumbnail preview + progress bar [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/113963 [16:48:58] I know that sort of thing seems superficial, but superficial things tend to affect people, especially subconsciously - and many people follow their subconscious (their gut so to speak) when making decesions [16:50:06] #146: (GD) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/113963/ S:ACR -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/146 [16:51:08] aalekhN: Also you link to a bug in bugzilla, but I think you have the wrong bug number [16:52:32] oo yes thnku for pointing this out [17:20:29] gi11es: Yes (re: 217) [17:21:04] "This info should be placed below the 'Learn more on Commons' and above the creation date" [17:21:36] Ahhh. [17:21:58] it's below the creation date right now [17:22:30] 'kay, easy enough [18:00:55] (03CR) 10Krinkle: [C: 031] "No idea how this works, but this seems to be the only mention of it. The property is never set to anything else by UploadWizard, and is in" [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114697 (owner: 1001tonythomas) [19:28:07] #241: (GT) See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Allow_smooth... -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/241 [19:29:06] #168: (GT) A possible use case: https://www.mediawiki.org/... -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/168 [19:29:24] rdwrer: What's up with the new mailing list request? Why not just use multimedia. Almost no one posts there [19:37:23] bawolff: that list has about 130 subscribers [19:37:48] who might not be happy to get several mails per day about obscure development topics [19:39:06] Well its officially described as a "This mailing list is for discussing software tools" [19:39:15] perhaps developer discussion is what they are looking for [19:48:40] bawolff: We should really have an explicit statement of that before doing it [19:48:55] Hmm, yeah, you are probably right [19:50:19] Just seems kind of weird to keep creating new mailing lists when the existing one barely seems to have any traffic [19:51:28] bawolff: looking at the list of members, i see a lot of devs and nondevs both [19:51:41] You could probably say the same thing about wikitech-l [19:51:46] so splitting the list makes sense IMO [19:51:49] non-devs sometimes like dev discussions [19:53:21] well, the plan (mine, anyway :) is to use it for day-to-day dev discussions, so it would be only interesting for people who are actively working on multimedia features [19:53:49] basically a team mailing list, but open to volunteers [19:54:07] That sort of discussion is interesting to non-devs [19:55:00] they can subscribe then [19:55:38] it makes sense to have a low-volume list for important discussion about user-facing features, so that those discussions reach more people [19:55:48] volume can be a barrier to participation [19:56:08] but maybe we could ask on the multimedia list what people would prefer? [19:56:15] +1 [19:57:08] +1 for asking? [19:57:21] I say +1 for asking [19:57:35] Yeah, for asking [19:58:36] As for low volume announcements, those seem like they would be in scope for commons-l [19:59:39] Hm, nemo has a point [20:12:06] #256: (MH) S:IA|P:Ch|R:#MQ-R1|T:S Description changed -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/256 [20:13:06] #257: (MH) S:IA|P:Ch|R:#MQ-R2|T:S Description changed -- https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/257 [21:03:28] some JS tool I co-wrote has just been open-sourced, might be of interest: https://github.com/deviantART/ddt [21:04:38] Cool stuff, gi11es [21:04:45] we don't do developer-oriented debugging messages at the moment, but as mmv becomes more complex it might become useful [21:04:55] do you know if any other wmf extensions do that kind of thing? [21:04:59] I think mw.log does something...sort of like it [21:05:33] Ah, no [21:05:34] I lied [21:05:41] We should maybe just integrate this into mw.log [21:05:44] mw.log is basically console.log [21:05:47] Yeah [21:05:54] with scary fallbacks for old browsers [21:07:47] missed the the first part of the conversation (bloody laptop switching off all the time), but isn't this what we have the JS --> logstash ticket for? [21:08:13] or just debugging messages in your own browser? [21:08:23] ddt is for debugging stuff in your own browser [21:08:50] its advantage is that you can have a ton of debugging messages in the code, but you only tune into the channels you're interested in [21:10:06] probably not that useful at this point, we used it on behemoth JS apps where a lot of developers worked, it became necessary for people to have local debugging messages they can tune into without polluting other people's consoles [21:10:28] so are we talking about debug level logging, or debugging as in stopping JS execution and going step by step? [21:10:40] debug logging [21:11:47] log level + channel support for mw.log would sure be nice [21:12:58] there are a bunch of logging libraries for node, most probably work in the browser as well [21:13:47] bunyan for example has logstash integration, so you could use it for both local logging and logging to the server [21:14:17] * bd808 keeps getting pinged by "logstash" :) [21:14:48] it's your middle name now, right? [21:20:48] Bryan logstash scap davis [21:58:08] (03CR) 10MarkTraceur: [C: 04-1] "Krinkle, you're slipping! :)" (031 comment) [extensions/UploadWizard] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114697 (owner: 1001tonythomas) [22:21:46] tgr_, aarcos, gi11es, do we want to ask on-list about multimedia-dev? [22:22:35] sure [22:23:01] Whoooo? :) [22:23:35] I'm not totally sure about what the proposal would encompass..."development details" but does that mean "everything we currently talk about internally"? [22:28:52] (03PS5) 10MarkTraceur: WIP Add share and embed panel, replace reuse [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/112928 [22:29:03] Totally not ready. Nearly though. [22:29:18] Need to make requests for thumbnails still I think. [22:29:20] Maybe [22:29:30] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] WIP Add share and embed panel, replace reuse [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/112928 (owner: 10MarkTraceur) [22:29:35] i'll write it [22:30:00] 'kay [22:30:13] and yes, that's how i imagine it - a team list, but open for volunteer devs who do major multimedia work [22:30:21] Right [22:31:13] the old list could still be used to discuss large changes that affect users, but this way it would be easier for people to know and even influence what the team is doing [22:32:35] tgr_: I think the mail to the Multimedia list is asking if we can co-opt it for dev talk [22:33:10] yes [22:33:42] one alternative is to use that list for dev talk and commons-l for major things, the other is multimedia-dev + multimedia [22:39:18] (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: [C: 04-1] Fixes hash handling issues (031 comment) [extensions/MultimediaViewer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/114728 (owner: 10Gilles) [23:14:03] (03CR) 10Gergő Tisza: [C: 04-1] "The markers do not show up." 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